Comments on: Ospreys Swoop In For Ambushes http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/ Online Defense and Acquisition Journal Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:50:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Markhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-28157 Mark Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:35:37 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-28157 The extra speed gives the V-22 force the ability to choose a best location over a wider area for the bocking force insertion. The best location may only be accessible with the faster speed. The extra speed gives the V-22 force the ability to choose a best location over a wider area for the bocking force insertion. The best location may only be accessible with the faster speed.

]]> By: David Dopphttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20863 David Dopp Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:40:11 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20863 ABDUL DO YOU HEAR YOUR SELF? WHAT KIND OF PERSON GO'S OUT STRAPS ON A WEPON OF ANY KIND AND WALKS INTO A PLACE FULL OF CHILDREN AND WOMAN WHO JUST WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE, AND BLOWS HIMSELF UP BECAUSE SOME MAD MAN TOLD HIM THAT GOD TOLD HIM IT'S THE THING TO DO? IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD NOMATTER WHAT NAME HE GO'S BY DOES NOT TELL YOU OR ANYBODDY ELSE TO KILL OR HURT ANY LIVING CREATURE. LEARN TO READ YOUR HOLY BIBLE IT WILL UP LIFT YOUR HART AND MIND. ABDUL DO YOU HEAR YOUR SELF? WHAT KIND OF PERSON GO’S OUT STRAPS ON A WEPON OF ANY KIND AND WALKS INTO A PLACE FULL OF CHILDREN AND WOMAN WHO JUST WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE, AND BLOWS HIMSELF UP BECAUSE SOME MAD MAN TOLD HIM THAT GOD TOLD HIM IT’S THE THING TO DO? IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD NOMATTER WHAT NAME HE GO’S BY DOES NOT TELL YOU OR ANYBODDY ELSE TO KILL OR HURT ANY LIVING CREATURE. LEARN TO READ YOUR HOLY BIBLE IT WILL UP LIFT YOUR HART AND MIND.

]]> By: Infidel4LIFEhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20811 Infidel4LIFE Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:54:25 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20811 Abdul, pls, sit down and chill bro..have some tea. After all, Jews, Moslems and Christians are ALL Abrahamic religions, its just ur minds telling you its OK to blow urself up around innocents, crash planes into buildings, etc. You find anything wrong with that? After all, we ALL worship the same GOD..well, get ur suicide vest while those swine that tell you to do it live in splendor...you should re-acess, inshallah...sound right? Abdul, pls, sit down and chill bro..have some tea. After all, Jews, Moslems and Christians are ALL Abrahamic religions, its just ur minds telling you its OK to blow urself up around innocents, crash planes into buildings, etc. You find anything wrong with that? After all, we ALL worship the same GOD..well, get ur suicide vest while those swine that tell you to do it live in splendor…you should re-acess, inshallah…sound right?

]]> By: ABDULhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20656 ABDUL Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:51:29 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20656 I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND , WHY ARE THIS WAR MONGERING PEOPLE DOING IN OTHER COUNTRY THAN THEIR OWN HOMES . KILLING, PLUNDERING IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE, DEMCRACY. ALL OF YOU WILL PAY. THE DEATH OF YOUR CONQUERING SOLDIER. WE WILL FIGHT YOU AROUND THE WORLD. IN THE NAME OF ALLAH ! YOUR BLOOD WILL BE SPILL AROUND THE WORLD I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND , WHY ARE THIS WAR MONGERING PEOPLE DOING IN OTHER COUNTRY THAN THEIR OWN HOMES . KILLING, PLUNDERING IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE, DEMCRACY. ALL OF YOU WILL PAY. THE DEATH OF YOUR CONQUERING SOLDIER. WE WILL FIGHT YOU AROUND THE WORLD. IN THE NAME OF ALLAH ! YOUR BLOOD WILL BE SPILL AROUND THE WORLD

]]> By: elgatosohttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20589 elgatoso Thu, 25 Feb 2010 06:36:02 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20589 No.John ,we are not there yet.The most similar at the dropship could be the Excalibur or the Israel Flying Ambulance and they are still not operational prototipes.You still need sustentation planes(wings) to fly .You could make a small drone but not a big aircraft. No.John ‚we are not there yet.The most similar at the dropship could be the Excalibur or the Israel Flying Ambulance and they are still not operational prototipes.You still need sustentation planes(wings) to fly .You could make a small drone but not a big aircraft.

]]> By: Proinsiashttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20601 Proinsias Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:25:15 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20601 I have no beef with Marines using the Osprey, but I do with this type of reporting. I agree with David Dopp, Carter and John King, just report the facts without the adlib. "Ambush kill boxes" sound exciting. But all this is unrealistic in the Marjah situation where the Marines are not fighting some highly mobile force. The aircraft were used to insert a blocking force. Period. Proper use of any troop carrying aircraft deploying troops far from the action. I have no beef with Marines using the Osprey, but I do with this type of reporting.

I agree with David Dopp, Carter and John King, just report the facts without the adlib.

“Ambush kill boxes” sound exciting. But all this is unrealistic in the Marjah situation where the Marines are not fighting some highly mobile force. The aircraft were used to insert a blocking force. Period. Proper use of any troop carrying aircraft deploying troops far from the action.

]]> By: phrogdriverhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20597 phrogdriver Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:03:31 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20597 Look, you can believe a liberal crackpot, or you can believe someone who flies it. I've flown 800 miles in a Block A aircraft with no aux tanks. It can be done. Block B, no sweat, and I wouldn't need a runway or aux tanks. The V-22s cruise speed is higher than 210. I don't know where reports get these numbers, because they obviously don't come from actual pilots. If you pick some weird measurement of the biggest box you could fit into an aircraft, maybe the cabin is 25% smaller. Me, having spent 4.5yrs in the phrog and almost 6 in the V-22, I eyeball them both the same. I ain't buying that figure. Look, you can believe a liberal crackpot, or you can believe someone who flies it. I’ve flown 800 miles in a Block A aircraft with no aux tanks. It can be done. Block B, no sweat, and I wouldn’t need a runway or aux tanks.

The V-22s cruise speed is higher than 210. I don’t know where reports get these numbers, because they obviously don’t come from actual pilots.

If you pick some weird measurement of the biggest box you could fit into an aircraft, maybe the cabin is 25% smaller. Me, having spent 4.5yrs in the phrog and almost 6 in the V-22, I eyeball them both the same. I ain’t buying that figure.

]]> By: phrogdriverhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20595 phrogdriver Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:53:47 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20595 While I agree that the V-22 has advantages over a helo, those cruise speeds are off by a significant margin in all the aircraft but the Huey. The AH-1W usually flies slower than that, the V-22 cruises MUCH faster, and besides, aircraft work in knots, not MPH. While I agree that the V-22 has advantages over a helo, those cruise speeds are off by a significant margin in all the aircraft but the Huey. The AH-1W usually flies slower than that, the V-22 cruises MUCH faster, and besides, aircraft work in knots, not MPH.

]]> By: bdmillerlawhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20594 bdmillerlaw Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:45:54 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20594 Don't you have anything else to do Jimmy? Don’t you have anything else to do Jimmy?

]]> By: Jimbohttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20577 Jimbo Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:09:55 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20577 "In a large open area" That's a key statement here. Especially when you don't have a LARGE open area to operate in... “In a large open area” That’s a key statement here. Especially when you don’t have a LARGE open area to operate in…

]]> By: William C.http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20554 William C. Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:07:13 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20554 The V-22 doing part of what it was planned to do. Very good to see. However the defense gun configuration leaves something to be desired. What happened to the originally concept of a .50 cal GAU-19 under the nose section? The V-22 doing part of what it was planned to do. Very good to see.

However the defense gun configuration leaves something to be desired. What happened to the originally concept of a .50 cal GAU-19 under the nose section?

]]> By: Lem G.http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20583 Lem G. Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:41:53 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20583 The verdict is still out on this new aircraft. The maintenance crews, the flight crews and the gyrenes that fly in and out of them will be the only valid authority to judge its combat effectiveness. The verdict is still out on this new aircraft. The maintenance crews, the flight crews and the gyrenes that fly in and out of them will be the only valid authority to judge its combat effectiveness.

]]> By: Carl Mondayhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20582 Carl Monday Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:34:25 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20582 The V-22 does not have an empty range of 1100 miles. That was a goal that was never met. It can fly maybe 800 if it carries two aux fuel tanks and no cargo, and takes off from an airfield. The V-22s range myth was dispelled by America's leading helicopter expert a couple years back. <a href="http://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/Leishman_0207_RDS.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/Leishman_020...</a> As for speed, its around 30% faster at higher altitudes, a cruise speed of around 210 knots with all the weight that has been added. It cabin is 25% smaller than even the CH-46E. check <a href="http://www.boeing.com" target="_blank">www.boeing.com</a> It can't carry external loads any faster, and never does in combat zones because its too unstable in that mode. The V-22 does not have an empty range of 1100 miles. That was a goal that was never met. It can fly maybe 800 if it carries two aux fuel tanks and no cargo, and takes off from an airfield. The V-22s range myth was dispelled by America’s leading helicopter expert a couple years back. http://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/Leishman_020…

As for speed, its around 30% faster at higher altitudes, a cruise speed of around 210 knots with all the weight that has been added. It cabin is 25% smaller than even the CH-46E. check http://www.boeing.com It can’t carry external loads any faster, and never does in combat zones because its too unstable in that mode.

]]> By: David Dopphttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20566 David Dopp Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:28:15 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20566 In a large open area the V-22s can move more troops in and drop more equipment faster than Hueys or CH-53s when time is the essential factor because of it's speed not always lifting capability. Don't always think more is better. A good Commander will look at what equipment he or she has and assign it to a mission when a CH-53 was the better aircraft. In a large open area the V-22s can move more troops in and drop more equipment faster than Hueys or CH-53s when time is the essential factor because of it’s speed not always lifting capability. Don’t always think more is better. A good Commander will look at what equipment he or she has and assign it to a mission when a CH-53 was the better aircraft.

]]> By: TMBhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20563 TMB Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:00:28 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20563 Less range than modern helos? The V-22 has an empty range of 1100 miles, whereas the CH-47 and CH-53 only have a range of about 500 miles. The payload depends on range. The more weight you carry, the shorter your range. If the V-22 is carrying 6,000 pounds, then it can only go 500 or so miles. All cargo aircraft have the same characteristics. The CH-47 can carry about 30,000 pounds, but its going to fly a hell of a lot less than the 500 miles I stated before. The CH-46, which the V-22 directly replaces, can only carry 6,000 pounds and has an empty range of 400 miles. There are only 10 of the birds in theater (with 2 more on the way) because that's what the current mission requirement is. Its a 12 aircraft squadron. If the MEB commander hasn't asked for another squadron, that's between him and his superiors. It was designed to replace the CH-46 and some CH-53Ds, not every helicopter in the Corps. Less range than modern helos? The V-22 has an empty range of 1100 miles, whereas the CH-47 and CH-53 only have a range of about 500 miles. The payload depends on range. The more weight you carry, the shorter your range. If the V-22 is carrying 6,000 pounds, then it can only go 500 or so miles. All cargo aircraft have the same characteristics. The CH-47 can carry about 30,000 pounds, but its going to fly a hell of a lot less than the 500 miles I stated before. The CH-46, which the V-22 directly replaces, can only carry 6,000 pounds and has an empty range of 400 miles.

There are only 10 of the birds in theater (with 2 more on the way) because that’s what the current mission requirement is. Its a 12 aircraft squadron. If the MEB commander hasn’t asked for another squadron, that’s between him and his superiors. It was designed to replace the CH-46 and some CH-53Ds, not every helicopter in the Corps.

]]> By: David Dopphttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20562 David Dopp Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:46:20 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20562 It's true the Marines get stuck with some equipment that don't always fit the mission but tell a Marine to make it happen and you can bet it will. It’s true the Marines get stuck with some equipment that don’t always fit the mission but tell a Marine to make it happen and you can bet it will.

]]> By: carterhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20556 carter Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:39:33 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20556 The V-22 promised to lift 15,000 lbs (its bigger than the CH-53E in empty weight) yet its down to around 6000 lbs, well below the contract guarantee. It has less range than comparable modern helos, and about one-fifth the payload, costs twice as much to buy and maintain, and is broke down half the time. This is why only 10 of the Corps 130 V-22s are deployed in combat. For details, google for "V-22 scandal" This is why no one else will touch the thing. Not the Army, Not the Navy, no foreign buyers, and no airlines. The USAF SpecOps people are stuck with their CV-22 buy, but are now demanding new CH-53s since the V-22 can't lift half their stuff. The V-22 promised to lift 15,000 lbs (its bigger than the CH-53E in empty weight) yet its down to around 6000 lbs, well below the contract guarantee. It has less range than comparable modern helos, and about one-fifth the payload, costs twice as much to buy and maintain, and is broke down half the time. This is why only 10 of the Corps 130 V-22s are deployed in combat. For details, google for “V-22 scandal”

This is why no one else will touch the thing. Not the Army, Not the Navy, no foreign buyers, and no airlines. The USAF SpecOps people are stuck with their CV-22 buy, but are now demanding new CH-53s since the V-22 can’t lift half their stuff.

]]> By: Jeff CAARNGhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20552 Jeff CAARNG Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:36:49 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20552 The real issue is do the Marines riding in it love it! I love the MARINES they will kill and inspire fear and respect anywhere on this planet. So if they like their flying box I could care less! I just want them to be happy when they come home! I thinks some military hardware is garbage, but the military is getting better and better at bringing new tech to the battlefield in very short time frames. Some will be great, some won't. But I refuse to sit in my chair drinking coffee while checking out a great looking barista and speculate on what the marines need or like on the other side of the planet. Grow up everyone! Enter Reality for a minute! If you want to know what marines think, find one and ask him! Just be sure to say Thank You! I hope you have as great a day as I will. Jeff The real issue is do the Marines riding in it love it!

I love the MARINES they will kill and inspire fear and respect anywhere on this planet.

So if they like their flying box I could care less! I just want them to be happy when they come home!

I thinks some military hardware is garbage, but the military is getting better and better at bringing new tech to the battlefield in very short time frames. Some will be great, some won’t. But I refuse to sit in my chair drinking coffee while checking out a great looking barista and speculate on what the marines need or like on the other side of the planet.

Grow up everyone! Enter Reality for a minute! If you want to know what marines think, find one and ask him! Just be sure to say Thank You!

I hope you have as great a day as I will.
Jeff

]]> By: David Dopphttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20551 David Dopp Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:47:25 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20551 The best thing a reporter can do is report only the facts dont adlib to make story. This is where the people lose fath in reporters and the people they work for. The only way to get across to your readers is to report only the proven or provable facts of your story. This is how you can build suport and suport of your readers. The best thing a reporter can do is report only the facts dont adlib to make story. This is where the people lose fath in reporters and the people they work for. The only way to get across to your readers is to report only the proven or provable facts of your story. This is how you can build suport and suport of your readers.

]]> By: Chief Houstonhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/02/23/ospreys-swoop-in-for-ambushes/#comment-20550 Chief Houston Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:34:17 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=13158#comment-20550 Aside from the obvious discussion about the Osprey's pros and con's, I am just glad Force Recon Marines got to be unleashed.How many times have our spec-ops folks been tamed down on standby by some jealous commander in their history? The enemy just met one of the best shock troops in service today!Most Army commanders would resist this call, but as you can see, this is new day with a new way! Gen. Mc knows his pieces of the puzzle. Aside from the obvious discussion about the Osprey’s pros and con’s, I am just glad Force Recon Marines got to be unleashed.

How many times have our spec-ops folks been tamed down on standby by some jealous
commander in their history? The enemy just met one of the best shock troops in service today!

Most Army commanders would resist this call, but as you can see, this is new day with a new way! Gen. Mc knows his pieces of the puzzle.

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