Bomber, Spy Plane, UAV

Bomber, Spy Plane, UAV

It could be a long range strike platform. It could use SAR and electro-optical sensors to spy on an enemy. About the only thing it won’t do is serve as an attack fighter. It is Boeing’s Phantom Ray, an unmanned aerial system being developed by the company’s Phantom Works.

The company will roll out the new plane in May. It should taxi in July. Then it will move to NASA’s Dryden site at Edwards Air Force Base for flight and other tests, which should begin in December. The plane’s General Electric F404-GE-102D engine “is coming together very nicely and should show up here in next two months for installation.” Darryl Davis, Boeing Phantom Works president, told reporters. “We are progressing very rapidly to first flight,” he said in a conference call.

The plane boasts two weapons bays, each capable of carrying a single 2000 pound JDAMS, or four
Small Diameter Bombs in each bay. As an ISR platform, the plane can carry SAR and E/O sensors in those bays. “Those bays are very flexible,” he said.


The Phantom Ray is a rejigger of Boeing’s X-45. The company is funding the plane itself to maintain skills and jobs and other industrial base assets while the Pentagon makes up its mind about just what mix of platforms will make up its long range strike capability. “That’s really what Phantom Ray was all about,” he said. Davis said the plane boasts a range of 1,000 nautical miles (2,000 roundtrip) with a 4,500 pound payload and is talking with the Pentagon about the plane also doing autonomous aerial refueling.

In addition to the long range strike capability, Davis said much of Phantom Ray’s gear would make it a good match for the MQ-X competition and the Navy’s F/A-XX future strike aircraft.

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It looks like a knockoff of Northrop’s X-47…

Boeing’s X-45 was developed along with Northrop’s X-47 for the J-UCAS program. The resulting X-45C and X-47B are pretty similar looking externally. However the X-47B was selected over the X-45N for the Navy’s UCAS-D program.

Phantom Ray seems to be a continuation of the X-45 program, and could easily be a contender for the MQ-X program. The F/A-XX program however is looking for a far more capable and likely manned aircraft.

Willima C.,
So, is Colin’s statement that Boeing claims they paid for the development of this bird accurate or not? I’d include any Navy UCAS-D money towards that claim.

Sorry, I meant to address William C.

Good Morning Folks,

This appears to be the direction technology is moving. The only classification not mentions is interceptor/fighter. An over sight or an effort to try and keep the F-35 alive?

Now just to spice things up with you paid posters who don’t do your homework, this just in. All of you have been hammering at me for months now that the Chinese are just over the horizon, they have been spending enormously on defense are ready to become a world power and challenge the US.

It was announced yesterday that the US would transfer to Pakistan, a major client sate of China, 1.000 “smart bomb kits”, not JADAMS II’s, but older laser guided kits. The transfer is for 700 kits for 500 lb. bombs and 300 kits for 2,000 lb. bombs. My mole says that most likely these will be transfered off carriers in the area and not out of AF stocks in Afghanistan. Also in the deal includes 18 F-16D’s with EOTS, and 12 UAV’s, a source that I have tells me that these will be Predators that are already in theatre, if these are from the CIA or USAF wasn’t mentioned, and will be transfered to Pakistan and replaced by more advanced Reapers. This whole order is on fast track and is expected to be completed by the end of the third quarter.

I don’t think it takes a winger genus to figure out that Chinese engineers and other interested folks will be all over them goodies like stink on sh**. It is well know that UAV’s (with IRS packages) and “smart weapons” are areas of technology that China feels they are desperately behind the US on and need to catch up.

For those of you who conveniently forget the past, it was a Colonel from Pakistan that a few years ago flew a ‚then new, F-16A to China as a present. As luck would have it for all concerned China is still trying to figure out that F-16.

Then of course Pakistan is an Islamic State with the most unstable of Governments, how soon could this hardware end up in the hands of bin Laden and al Qaeda. Right now al Qaeda doesn’t have ant air force. I don’t even want to think of these “smart weapons” being returned to the Americans in a most hideous manner.

My question is, why has not those peculiar institution of winger think thanks, who employee you folks are not all over this especially The Heritage Foundation?

Could it be the financial interests of there customers who make these item is more important the the security of the United States?

I will be most interested in reading how all of you will support this give away of military technology to our arch rival China.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

GYOFB.

Byron Skinner your ramblings never ceases to amaze me, well lets take a closer look at your post shall we?

“The only classification not mentions is interceptor/fighter. An over sight or an effort to try and keep the F-35 alive?”

Oh yes, clearly it is part of some conspiracy so the USAF can get new fighters. Or is it because it lacks any sort of long range radar, AIM-120 capability, and can only travel at subsonic speeds? Nah…

“Now just to spice things up with you paid posters who don’t do your homework, this just in. All of you have been hammering at me for months now that the Chinese are just over the horizon, they have been spending enormously on defense are ready to become a world power and challenge the US.”

Byron I would love to get paid for stating my opinion here, but unless somebody wants to start making donations, such accusations are pointless. The Chinese have been rapidly scaling up their defense spending in recent years, that even you can’t deny.

“It was announced yesterday that the US would transfer to Pakistan, a major client sate of China, 1.000 “smart bomb kits”, not JADAMS II’s, but older laser guided kits. The transfer is for 700 kits for 500 lb. bombs and 300 kits for 2,000 lb. bombs. My mole says that most likely these will be transfered off carriers in the area and not out of AF stocks in Afghanistan. Also in the deal includes 18 F-16D’s with EOTS, and 12 UAV’s, a source that I have tells me that these will be Predators that are already in theatre, if these are from the CIA or USAF wasn’t mentioned, and will be transfered to Pakistan and replaced by more advanced Reapers. This whole order is on fast track and is expected to be completed by the end of the third quarter.”

Pakistan buys from a number of sources, including the US, former Soviet states, and China. Paveway LGB kits are still manufactured, so I rather doubt we are giving them LGBs straight from our carrier battle groups. Those F-16C/Ds are likely fitted with Sniper XR targeting pods rather than EOTS which is in development for the F-35. Besides for that these F-16s aren’t fitted with AESA radars or anything out of the ordinary.

Now, regarding your idea that we are just handing stuff over to China, I don’t trust Pakistan either, but if we are going to try and get them to go along with us and fight the Taliban/Al Qaeda, they want access to some newer equipment, including some new F-16s to replace their old F-16A/B models. Congress approves of these deals so don’t even start trying to blame Lockheed Martin or other defense contractors.

The deal for these F-16s has been in progress for years now, so your ramblings about The Heritage Foundations are rather pointless. DensityDuck has a point, maybe you should make your own blog if your going to ramble incoherently about “peculiar institutions of winger tanks” and vast right wing conspiracies.

F-16’s with EOTS? That’s an F-35 technology. You have been wrong in several posts about not just minor stuff. You have absolutely no credibility. None. Zero.

And you constantly dodge my counter-argument about the jamming threat whenever you boast about how we should move to an all-UAV force.

Good Evening Folks,

I see that the wingers approve of this technology transfer. We all know that one opening the boxes of laser guided weapons will be techs. form China, and that the PLA will be at the joy sticks of the predators. Hey it you folks who see China as our future enemy, not me. China doesn’t yet have laser guided bombs, or Predator type UAV’s and ISR but they will real soon.

It is also know the both China and The Russian Federation don’t have reliable UAV technology and that the Russian Federation is trying to UAV’s from Israel.

As far as the targeting pods Pakistan isn’t the first Muslim country to get them Turkey were sold the B-1’s targeting system “The Sniper Pod” to be used on F-16D’s.

The whole world know that Pakistan is just 7.65mm away for being an Islamic Republic like Iran, are helping that process along the way. As for jamming it works just as well on
on both unmanned and manned aircraft, what your point?

Who owns Congress? This is clearly putting corporate profits ahead of risks to American lives. Just last fall the States Department Identified pakistan as one of the two most unstable countries in the world and now for the sake of corporate profits we are selling, no excuse giving Pakistan more weapons.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Just another injection of reality for Byron to chew on.

The Chinese and Pakistan signed a 1.4 billion dollar contract in November 2009 to purchase 36 J-10 fighters, with first deliveries occurring in 2014 — 2015. Pakistan is also purchasing 42 Chinese JF-17 “Thunder” light fighters. This fighter has also been put into serial production in Pakistan, with 60% of the airframe and 80% of the avionics being produced in country.

http://​www​.defenseindustrydaily​.com/​P​a​k​i​s​t​a​n​-​B​uyi…

Pakistan seems to be pretty happy with that “primitive” Chinese technology, right?

The Chinese first deployed indigenous laser guided bombs in 2006 — the LeiTing-2, which was most likely reverse engineered from the Russian KAB-500L, see link below from Sinodefence:

http://​www​.sinodefence​.com/​a​i​r​f​o​r​c​e​/​w​e​a​p​o​n​/​l​t​2​.as…

Color should be Baby Blue Mixed with Grey and no white or Black unless it is a night mission bird different colors for different weather. Sphere Shape do away with the wheels and have it hydrplan for lift off and glyde to velocity so this can land on any location and take off from any location. Smaller more powerfull optics 30K

The world is a two way street. The US has gotten all types of the latest foreign military hardware from other countries. This has enabled the folk at White Sands to test them to the n-th degree to learn what they can and can’t do. The hardware has included fighters, tanks, SAM’s, and whole radar systems. The armament labs at Eglin AFB enjoy the fruits of such analysis in order to make US products even better. Wright — Pat is in the business of exploiting all the info that is learned from the real, hands-on articles.
As for any discussion, the ability to obscure the facts by misquotes, erroneous statements, or down right falsehoods can not be ignored. The Internet takes this to new heights all the time.
Likewise if one country knows its technology is going to likely be handed over to a third party country during FMS deals, the odds are that the equipment is outdated, countermeasures exist, decoy parts are installed, and anti-tamper devices are hidden within.
“This tape will self destruct in 5 seconds, Mr Phelps.”

It looks cool. Produce 10,000 of them if the price is low. Does it have all the weesel and bissles on it?

For manned aircraft, in a high-noise environment the pilots still have training in dropping unguided munitions to fall back on to provide air support. Communications will still be possible with ground troops via signal flares or light signals. Not the ideal situation, but troops on the ground often enough get faced with desperate situations to need the air support. Air-to-air engagements can still be carried out with infrared-guided missiles, which can only be jammed by directed energy weapons (lasers or high-powered microwaves), since guns still use radar for ranging (its too difficult for a pilot to try and lead a target manually at jet speeds).

For unmanned aircraft, once the signal from the UAV operator is lost, the UAV goes into fail-safe mode and lands at the nearest friendly airstation.

If we went to an all-UAV force and we went against an opponent that utilizes jamming liberally (cheaper than air superiority aircraft and some SAM systems), they could still fly their 4th, 3rd or even 2nd generation aircraft and drop iron bombs on our vulnerable troops.

you’re hella right, i hate our country giving away weapons technology of any kind! i dont give a damn how much they offer!!! i“m not gonna sell you a gun to shot me with!… thats common sense.… greed man i tell ya..

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