CG Memo Sparks Hill Worries

CG Memo Sparks Hill Worries

The incoming Coast Guard commandant has penned a remarkably honest and sometimes disturbing memo saying the service was “forced to make asset reduction decisions” in the 2011 budget without “full appreciation” of the operational impact they would have.

That is just one of the striking lines in the memo by the incoming commandant, Vice Adm. R. J. Papp.

Papp’s memo has stirred considerable concern on Capitol Hill that the Coast Guard is making a major long-term mistake by cutting 1,100 uniformed personnel in 2011 and also planning to reduce some of its missions.


Papp’s memo was sparked by an Oct. 13 memo from the vice commandant, Vice Adm. David Pekoske, telling top commanders to begin planning for $100 million in cuts for 2012.

In a briefing to Congress last week, Coast Guard leaders argued that once they get new cutters online they will restore the lost positions. But end strength is always incredibly difficult to rebuild; just ask those Pentagon types who lived through the Clinton and early Bush years.

“Cutting 3 percent of your force is pretty big,” said a Senate aide. “The problem is that 30-year master chiefs are just going to be told they have to leave.”

Papp effectively argues that the way to go is cutting headquarters staff (bet he changes his mind once he’s commandant). He says he believes “there are operational areas where we can incur additional risk or achieve efficiencies.” One of those targeted areas, Maritime Security and Response Team, has some congressional staff particularly worried. Papp talks about reducing the Coast Guard’s commitment to MSRT on which he says the service has spent at least $80 million. Other services and agencies boast “more mature and robust” capabilities in this area, he says. “It is time to terminate our experiment with the MSRT,” he writes.

But one congressional aide said that it will only take one ship sunk in a Charleston shipping channel to blow that sort of thinking out of the water.

Meanwhile, a proposal to cut planned increases in headquarters staff for the Department of Homeland Security and push that money to the Coast Guard has gained advocates in both the House and Senate. After all, the Coast Guard is almost universally praised for doing a solid job whenever and where it responds. But this is how the congressional aide described its overlord, DHS: “I lm deeply disappointed that they suck at their job.”

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The name of the Vice Commandant is VADM Pekoske…

Congress should be mandated to spend 30 days every year with each deployed branch of the military living along side of them, maybe then they would realize the danger and hardships faced by our troops on a daily basis. The men and women of the coast guard lay it on the line daily and unoticed.

DHS is a thoroughly worthless organisation. That’s not to say that their mission is worthless. But they are.

This may sound like scenes from a Hollywood movie but this is real life, this is life in the Coast Guard. So no, maybe we’re not on the front lines in Afghanastan, but we are where it counts, everyday on the front lines in the United States saving those who need us and answering the cries of those that might have gone unheard if WE weren’t listening.

By law the Coast Guard has 11 missions; Ports,waterways, and coastal security; Drug interdiction; SAR; Living marine resources; Marine safety; Defense readiness; Migrant interdiction; Marine environmental protection;Ice operations; Other law enforcement. (I listed them in order of percentage of operating expenses). Their high endurance cutters are old and need repairs. Their aircraft are out dated. To operate costs money, however the Obama administration has cut the USCG’s budget. I think the last time the USCG had a decent budget was in 1790 when Hamilton created the service.

The only times Congress pays attention to the Coast Guard is at budget time (usually looking for cuts) or just before they’re about to dump even more “vital” missions and responsibilities on the kids (ALONG with budget cuts).

“We the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that soon we will be doing everything with nothing.”

Proud Coastie– AMEN bro.

I’m proud to have served. WHEC’s 35, 724, and 717

Coast Guard is a Civil rights nightmare. Don;t let the smoke and mirrors fool you.

In the post 9/11 times we are in,I think it would be best to keep the Maritime security and response teams.I don’t think it should be considered any type of experiment,as I’m sure the benefits of these teams is a great asset to the Coast Guard,and our national security.The Coast Guard does a great job,and shouldn’t have any budget cuts that would affect all the variety of jobs that the Coast Guard does.

It’s inconsistent to give the Pentagon a bye on their budget for this year and not the Coast Guard. For what the Pentagon wastes each year on major weapon systems cost growth, the Coast Guard could completely modernize its ships, aircraft and infrastructure!

Anybody that has ever served as a Coastie will tell you that their job is not only rewarding but difficult. I almost didn’t respond to the above comments, righting them off as just ignorant and uninformed, but I didn’t want someone to read them and for a split second think that they may be right. Worthless, Civil rights nightmare…these words could only be spoken by someone that has never stood on the bow of a sinking ship praying that someone will save them or by someone that has never floated near death in icy waters hoping that their last Mayday got through. The Coast Guard may not be like the Marines or the Army, visual on the front lines in Afghanastan or Iraq, but we look into the face of danger everyday. Everytime we fly out in the middle of the night and plunge from the helicopter into waters with temperatures below freezing to save those holding onto life by threads or when a Coast Guard boatcrew spends hours out in a storm looking for survivors of a missing sailboat that capsized knowing that they’re not going to make it if we don’t find them.

Congress had better find the money for the most effective operation in the U.S. Government and staff at 80k with full equipment including total replacement for 378’s. I remember the Reagan years when we had to use our own money to supply parts for our patrol boats and patrols where limited due to fuel cost containment.
I remember during the 84′ Olympic Task Force, when we had to have only one out of 3 RHIB crew members outfitted with full body armour and it rotated on each venue patrol who got to be armoured up.
Finally after the U.S. Coast Guard is armoured up to the minimum combat standards with the Deployable Operation Groups. let me get this straight, we are going to cut this while the threatcon increases? Rally Up all you Guardians! We trained with Force Recon to see this!? I’m throwing up right now!

“Cutting 3 percent of your force is pretty big,” said a Senate aide. “The problem is that 30-​​year master chiefs are just going to be told they have to leave.”

This so true (not). The Coast Guard currently has about 25 MCPOs with over 30 years of service, with all but 2 having less than 33 years of service. These MCPOs are spread out across the entire country (including overseas). The average time in service for active duty MCPOs in the Coast Guard is around 25 years.

The personnel cost on an active duty MCPO is significantly less than the cost of an average mid grade officer, and way less than the cost of the average federal worker in DC.

I hardly see how retiring a handful of the services most experienced members is going to add up to much in the budget.

I wonder how this “senate aide” feels about forcing people off Capitol Hill that have been there too long? Just a thought.

Beancounter, The Senate aide is worried about the loss of experience and knowledge, not the cost to the service. In fact, this aide wants to see the Coasties get more money — not less.

Being a CG Auxilirist and a Army Vet, I can’t believe they are cutting the Coast Guards Budget. They are the most over worked and under appreciated branch of the service there is. I live in the Gulf Coast area of Florida and I see the limited resources the units in this area have to work with. It’s sad all they have to patrol such a Tampa Bay, and Miami, just 180 miles from Cuba, and a few hundred from Mexico and are expected to police all the ships coming in, patrol for drug runners, and protect our coasts from an influx of ilegal aliens, and terrorists. Yes we in the Auxiliary do our part as volunteers, but all we can do is report in if we see these things. We aren’t equiped to stop them. I thank God the Coast Guard is there when we need them. I’m proud to help them all I can, and wish I could do more. What this government needs to do is stop all this outrageous spending, cut down the size of the government. Start serving the people as they are suppose to, and not cater to every tom, dick and harry company that contributes to their campaigns. Get the lobbyist out washington would be a good start.

I retired from the US Coast Guard Reserve after
over 30 years service (regular & reserve). My
Specialty is Finance & Supply. I saw first hand
at our Coast Guard men & women always had to
make do with totally insufficient funds to carry their missions. The job the Coast Guard
has done since 1790 is exemplary. They need the
proper monetary support not cuts. The day is
doing more with less is no longer viable. My
pride in being a member of the Coast Guard
family calls for my comments on this issue.

Nelson, your point? Skip, report your issues.

I have been saying the Coast Guard is looking to do another RIF like they did in the early to mid 1990’s. I expect it will come down to performance. My guess is that it will be similar where anyone with a factor less than a 4 on their evaluations (Officer and Enlisted) will be considered for discharge. Retention is at it’s highest in my 26 year career, and headquarters will need to find a way to reduce the force. I also expect High-year Tenure to come back as a tool to reduce the force also.

So, if you are skating and not doing your best, or you are Retired On Active Duty (ROAD), then let me help you unload your locker into your seabag and I will be happy to escort you across the brow.

Placing Coasties in ALL high-ranking positions at DC Headquarters would be a good start. Too many pompous and egotistical civilians hold too many power positions at the top which should be held by REAL Coasties. Also, promoting part-time RESERVISTS to Captain positions is absolutely ludicrous…check last year’s list for yourselves.

“Semper Paratus, Congress Forgot Us” Too true to be funny. They have always outperformed all other branches with WAY less resources. Let them do their jobs and give them what they need to perform at the level they are capable of — DC & Co. always shackles them but they still put other branches to shame…

We are seeing the effects of a Democratic administration. It has always been thus under the Dems. As an old timer, I can tell you firsthand of the Army Lt. in charge of an AA unit stationed in Pearl Harbor who had no AA weaponry, only small arms, including WWI Enfield rifles . Their AA gun emplacements were painted circles on the PH waterfront. The AA weapons were wooden and were useless when the Japs came over.

I am a plankowner of both MSST 91102 and the MSRT. 1.) It was/is NOT an “experiment.” 2.) Yes, there are other federal assets who have the operational ability to conduct these missions, but NO ONE has the logistical capability nor the legal infrastructure to fill the operational void that these teams have filled, and certainly not for the meager amount of money in which it was accomplished. Way to go Adm. Papp, you turn coat. Thank you Senators and Congressmen who recognize the mistake it would be to go down this road. I will continue to call my representatives and speak out against Adm. Papps’ confirmation.

Proud former Guardian, sends.
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I am one of those people who is currently serving at the Maritime Security Response Team and so far i have noticed that we are under-funded, there is only on team and thats on the east coast, when there should be at least three or four teams. As a coastie we put our lives on the line everyday and we never can get a good job or thank you, we get budget cuts and closing of vital units and stations. What happens when we get a call of a frighter that is coming into Baltimore Harbor that was high-jacked and filled with some kind of a bomb, when the Maritime Security Response Team would normally be called in to take care of it and take it back, turns out it was closed 6months prior to that, thousands and thousands were killed. Everyone will look back and wonder why did this happen? I would like people to think about that and thank god and pray to god that ADM Papp will not shut down these units.

Right on brother. I have always said that the Coast Guard was always at war. We were at war with the weather. As I remember, we were taught, we have to go out, but we don’t have to come back. I proudly served as by brother did. I was an icebreaker sailor. Don

The budget is all politics. In order to fight budget cuts you have to threaten to cut critical programs and units in districts who vote against the Coast Guard Budget. The Commandant has to make a statement that doesn’t sound political. I wouldn’t be so quick to judgment. Still, Adm. Papp does need close scrutiny. Fighting for a decent budget is one of his responsibilities. Past Commandants have left Congress with their tails between their legs for not fulfilling this responsibility.

… or how about my partial hearing loss communicating in Morse Code, cranking the gain and tuning out the static while picking up the weak signal of a distressed ship?

go back to school TOOLBAG, and learn how to spell…

March 2nd was the fortieth anniversary of my entry into the Coast Guard. Your quote was a salient phrase then, as much as it apparently is now”. Twas ever thus. Semper Paratus

The Coast Guard shouldn’t waste their time designing and constructing their own cutters. Significant cost overruns experienced by the 270′ WMEC (13 new cutters in the 1980’s), 378′ WHEC FRAM (east and west coast programs) and the National Security Cutter (first NSC recently commissioned) demonstrates that infrequent shipbuilding projects require a significant learning curve concerning all aspects of the shipbuilding process, especially with contracting officers, technical, and inspection departments. This system is the reason massive cost overruns plague the Coast Guard. The Navy doesn’t just build aircraft carriers and submarines; they build ships similar in size to the current NSC program. The Coast Guard doesn’t build cutters very often, once every 25 to 30 years. I’m certain if the Coast Guard teamed up with a future Navy shipbuilding program some serious cash savings would be realized. Oh yeah, the Navy provides the Coast Guard cutters with their armament and most of their electronics. As far as I can tell, the one major difference is Coast Guard cutters are white with a racing stripe.

Coasties, not the new fangled term of Guardians (it was only a movie), are extremely important in the defense of our nation. The wanna be Commandant weanie apparently doesn’t have pride in his own service. If they want to gut the MSST’s & the MSRT, which actually gutted the TACLET program, what is to happen to the USCG SEAL program? Finally the USCG has a capability to go on the offense and take the fight to the enemy, as well as perform LE missions in foreign countries and the powers to be want to cut the programs! Use the Coastie SEALs in south america and cut the drug flow and use them anywhere else that LE is permitted, but armed forces (DOD) isn’t allowed. Talk about a force multiplier, they are a serious threat to the enemy!

Lots of GREAT cpmments!!!! Was is the regulars(1052–1956) and reserves for over 30 years. On an 83 footer onHEP, charleston,s.c, when an Iron Curtain freighter was coming in without clearance. Ordered to stopit. Final effort(succeeded) was to man the 20mm cannon and aim at thier bridge. They stopped. If only they knew we had NO ammo on board. No funds. Will that happen now?? Have to do without and try to bluff our way?
The Coast Guard has come to far and is finally being recognized for the TREMENDOUS job they do and still underfunded. And, does more search, rescue, interdiction,etc.,etc., than any other branch of the armed forces. The GUARD has always been first should disaster strike. World Trade Center; Haiti: Hurricanes:
first to enter the harbor in Kuwait; etc.
Had some complaints, but ALWAYS PROUD TO HAVE SERVED MY COUNTRY AS A “COASTIE“
Admiraly. Stand up and fight for the funds the C.G. need andn DESERVES!!!

You know all you Coast Guard haters will think twice if the Coast Guard doesn’t have the man power to come save your stupid asses when you get stuck in the middle of the water or your boat is sinking.

I retired as a Master Chief Boatswain Mate in 1977and I wonder how many people realise that the C.G. manned the liberty ships and the landing craft which took our troups ashore during WW11 and also in Korea? Next Viet Nam 13 of our 82′ WPB patrol boats and crews were shifted to the Navy for coastal and river patrols. We hae also provided transporation and back up for the National Marine Fisheries and during the Washing state fish war provide transporation and back u p for the state fisheries. Also the unit that I was OinC of was transfered to the DEA on 3 different ocassions for drug patrols. Besides all the extra duties that were imposed on our units we were on constant recall for for Search& Rescure maritime emergencies. So many CG responsiblites are not known to the public. It is true that we have done more with less than any other service, don’t cut the CG budget. Increase it and see just how good we can be BMCM Ret

I absolutely agree. I cannot count the stories of stupidity that my husband has shared. Amazingly, nobody thinks twice about them until they are not there.

Back in my day, 70–79, we had a saying. “We have done so much with so little for so long, that we can now do everything with nothing forever”.

Please wake up congress. The guard runs on bucks.

I’m disappointed that you saw fit to “censor” my frank, matter of fact, comments yesterday regarding CG management. Apparently this site doesn’t endorse the concept of differing opinions. It is an established fact that some in CG upper management have miserably failed to submit budget requests sufficient to fully operate over the last five or six decades. The “there’s no fat in our hamburger” mentality has profoundly impaired the Coast Guard’s to fully perform its responsibilities, both in day to day normal ops and in its acquisition programs. One need only look at the 24 Billion dollar fiasco, the CG Deepwater Project, as perhaps the ultimate example of mediocre CG budgeting/acquisition expertise. As a Coast Guard Officer for years, I witnessed countless episodes of low balled budget requests failing to fill the bill before being forced to submit mid year supplemental requests. These are facts supported by numerous critical articles over the years. None of my views in any way unfairly criticized or maligned the fine work performed by the vast majority of CG personnel. To the contrary, my son is an accomplished CG small boat coxswain who currently serves his country.. I’m the last person that wants to see his safety jeopardized by substandard equipment or training.

Not just the rescue teams but what about those coasties risking their lives off the coast of cuba, keeping as many drugs as they can from entering our country. My husband’s boat not only protects the country from drugs, it saved a man, having a heart attack who’s boat was sinking in Cuban waters AND went to Haiti — the Mohawk was second to arrive. I love everything that the coast guard does for this country and this incoming commandant, terrifies me.

Excellent post!!! By the way, we are in Afghanistan… RAID team… Semper Par…

Excellent post!

I am happy that ADM Papp is laying it all on the line. We have taken on so many jobs, many like MSRT, that we were never funded to do. Does the US need MSRT? Absolutely…but the Coast Guard can not give the US a service that we are not funded to give them. We spent the last 8 years building up to handle more missions and modernize our service, receiving praise for all of the good jobs we have performed and, might I add, pulled the government out of failures. The Coast Guard needs to be funded like the other military services and get out of this antiquated hole that we live and work in everyday. The Master Chiefs over 30 have been through High Year Tenure before and trust me they know they are first on the chopping block because they have just been buying time until someone cut the budget anyway.

Hang in there fellow Coastie’s, ADM Papp is a realist and I am glad he is pushing back. If the government wants this service to do these missions then they need to pay us for it not cut our budget.

Someone needs to learn common international spellings. Besides, Alex is exactly right.

This is the same old “I’m taking my ball and bat and going home” routine that we’ve seen for the last 35 years that I know of. We do this when congress wouldn’t give us the funding and as soon as we start do close down units and ships the local civilians howl and we get at least some of the money we asked for.

Brilliant post… In one short line you demonstrated to the world your ignorance regarding national security.

Just what do you mean by that, what are you trying to say. complete the sentence please.

Feb, 01 was my 30th.

As a 31 year CG vet(ret’97) and having run the gamut from E-1 to E-7 and O-1 to O-5, I read the above comments with both interest and dismay. The CG has always been a budget “whipping boy”, even back in the days when we were in the Dept of Treasury. When LBJ needed to create a new Cabinet Dept and didn’t have enough affiliated personnel to legalize the change, the Coast Guard was reassigned to DOT so the new Dept would be big enough to legalize it. It works fine for a few years and then the new funding source dries up, and CG missions then go on the chopping block. The same thing happened when we went into Homeland Security … good at the start and ‘Red-haired stepchild’ now now, as old-time non-CG types control the bucks. For years and years we have had Comdts that were either “Thank you sir, may I have another” types to “Whatever you say, but” types and then on to the threatening or hostile types. The CG doesn’t control its own funding … others do and, if they are told to cut their budget, they have to do something. The “2–3% across the board” cuts just won’t hack it anymore, as it just perpetuates the annual problem. The only way that the Comdt is going to get unseeing eyes put back on the CG plight is to actually “cut” a program, not threaten to do it or say “we might have to cut it” … but actually do it …and to a highly visible, popular program. Anyone with more than 20 years in has seen this budget dilema happen time and time again. What the CG lacks right now is a powerful voice in Congress or the House, one from a popular or large State or politically sensitive arena. We had them before and we thrived .. we don’t have one now and all we have is another Comdt trying to face the gale-force headwind with his eyes open and bos’n pipe to his lips. And we also need a reincarnation of the long-lost episodes of Senator Proxmire for his “Golden Fleece Awards” that went out monthly and publically to the worst examples of government waste. It was EXTREMELY popular and brought great attention to well-hidden pork … and some great budget savings. Use 10% of the funding for just those identified projects and the CG would be outfitted for the next 10 years. With SAR stats, Drug interdiction rates, Katrina, and the Haiti earthquake, the public’s eyes are focused on the CG and the terrific job that they have been doing as never before. We need a National News special or “60 Minutes” or something similar to show the world why the CG amputations must cease … and we need the news delivered by a powerful political ally with the cajones to lay it on the line. It would be great if there were 2 allies, from separate sides of the aisle, to put out the same message so that this doesn’t turn into another “monkey/football” scenario. I feel for the Coasties that are the same shoes that I wore 15 years ago .. like bad dreams, this budget craps returns again and again.

As a retired Coast Guardsman with over 30 years of active duty, I’ve seen what happens when the Coast Guard cuts personnel and services because of budget cuts. While the dedicated men and women of the Coast Guard will continue to do their jobs with the utmost professionalism and efficiency, morale and retention will suffer. Congress and the Coast Guard (force strength and mission support) will contract
for a few years, then a disastrous event or two will occur, a new Administration will come in, and the Coast Guard will scramble to expand its services and fill its ranks again.

While its profoundly misguided to cut Coast Guard strength and reduce support of a few vital missions, the Coast Guard will survive and the men and women of the Coast Guard will prove themselves to be a superior lot.

Semper paratis

So CG is taking a $100 million cut?? Let’s see — that’s about 1/3 the amount offered (see “bribe”) to one Louisiana politician for one “yes” vote on a health care bill. If the administration were serious about cutting spending overall, one could accept taking away $100 mil from a service that offers in return for its duty many millions of dollars of saved property and countless value in saved lives every year. But it seems like our government has its own “Toyota gas pedal” when it comes to spending on all manner of items not authorized by our Constitution (you politicians remember that document; it’s the one you swore to support and defend), and fighting tooth and nail over spending on the few things our Constitution DOES authorize. The Coast Guard has roots going back to 1790, when the Constitution’s writers were involved in such decisions. What do you suppose the founders would think of the spending choices we make today?

yea, I broke my finger nail trying to open to put my make-up on!

Race, you served on the Mighty Munro?!!! I did to.…

Proud Coastie-Hell Yes. Well said.

Amen Senior Chief. I support ADM Papp 100 %. Every business leader would not hesitate to cut output if it is not properly funded. If it truly is leaderships goals to take care of their people, we need our leaders to identify injustice and force the government’s hands. The coast Guard has been one of the only shining lights in the country and theyir performance is rewarded with a pimp slap.

The USA is broke. Our manufacturing force lost its jobs to overseas. Get ready for worse. Thank you for your job and try to hang onto it, there are no jobs out there anymore . Retirement? Every ten years inflation cuts your pension in half.

I retired as a Chief in November 2008 after 24 years of active duty. For those saying the Coast Guard is useless, what was the comment, a civil rights problem?, obey the maritime laws, or safe boating laws, which I am guessing were violated and rightfully cited, and you are going to have an issue with a Coastie. Our service has always handed over the money at the time when we needed it most, but have also always gone on to do the missions we need to do. SAR is always the priority and that will never change. Does anyone remember when former Pres Clinton yanked almost a quarter’s worth of funding from the Coast Guard near the end of the FY, handed it over to DoD and then yelled, figuratively, at the Coast Guard for going over budget? We all know, as former or current Coasties, that the threat of cutting the security mission was going to cause an all stop in congress. The new potential Commandant is telling it like it is and is forcing congress to take notice.

Correction…I was working two separate thoughts. the line should read: For those saying the Coast Guard is useless, what was the comment, a civil rights problem?, obey the maritime laws, or safe boating laws, which I am guessing were violated and rightfully cited, and you won’t have an issue with a Coastie.

retard

time to stop the b.s and turn the coast guard over to the DOD forever. it’s always been a night mare going from the dept of the navy to the dot then to dhs.
it’s always been under funded,under manned, running boats long over due to re replaced. with the exception of the newer rhi’s they now run heavily. time to repair the long running problems

Honestly, I applaud Adm Papp. It’s about time that someone has stood up and told Congress that we can’t continue to perform ALL of our missions with continuing budget cuts, and personnel that number less than the NYC police department! Truthfully, “Homeland Security” was never one of our missions to begin with. We have the National Guard for that. We have enough to do. Congress, you want to cut our budget and personnel? Fine. We can’t complete all of our missions, then.

I could not have said it better. Don’t forget to mention all the missions outside of the U.S. People can make negative comments if they want but when they are in trouble on the water or other situations where the CG can lend a helping hand I would bet my life savings the first mayday will not be to the Marines or the Army but to the Coast Guard.

ACORN got their funding and the Coast Guard gets theirs cut. Where are Congress’s priorities.

I agree, My husband was on a cutter potrolling off the coast of Cuba when they came across drug smugglers that shot at the boat and finally dropped the drugs into the ocean, when the commander of the ship saw this he found a few of the men who had surf boards aboard ship my husband included and had them get on their boards and paddle out to the drugs and bring them back to the ship. The drug bust was a huge sucess. Now if that is not putting them at risk than I don’t know what is.

This has been going on since I left active duty 40 years ago as young Lt(jg). i loved what I was did (WHEC-383 and a Loran Station) but I realized then that it would always be an uphill battle for the Coast Guard to get the funding that they deserve. I agree with the writer who stated that Congress should spend time with active duty Coasties to really understand the missions involved and what they face on a daily basis, whether it be the dangers, the limitations of its old equipment, lack of housing and family services, and lack of personnel.

Sounds like you know a lot about this “skating” & “ROAD”, how about you go first and set a good example. Or are you a one trick pony?

The Coast Guard was never under the Department of the Navy. Prior to being under DOT, it was under the Treasury Department where it was formed from the legacy Revenue Cutter Service in 1915. The missions of the CG are not the missions of the DOD. The heart of the issue goes back prior to 1790 when Hamilton wanted a strong Federal government. He got it, but his victory in forming the Revenue Cutter Service was the only one. This country has never adopted a strong Federal government model. The Coast Guard’s authority under 14 USC 89 gives it the unique power without being constrained by laws governing the use of the military domestically. Loss of that authority would be devastating for the Coast Guard. Allowing that authority to be appropriated by the military would not be in the best interest of the citizens of this country either.

3%??? Get a grip, folks. Has anyone noticed what police, firefighters and schools are being cut? These are tough times. Everyone can point to another agency they personally don’t like and say “they need to be cut, not us.” But until you’re personally ready to repo an elderly woman’s dentures or put 10 more kids in your child’s classroom, think about the astoundingly stupid cost of the latest breed of cutters. The Coast Guard is best when it sticks to the fundamentals. Investing in gee-whiz technology and designing it’s own cutters has not worked well over the past quarter century. I had a great career, and would love to see the USCG, police and schools fully funded. But I also don’t want the next generation to pay for it.

Correct .…..We also have 6 110ft Patrol boats in the NAG (Northern Arabian Gulf) for those that dont know, thats the coast of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia!!! We (the Coast Guard) are every where doing damn near every thing and i know because i was there foe a year doing it!!!!!!

I served in the CG for 8 years. Papp is an Obama tool, a political appointee. He’s just pulling the Obama admistrations line. My wife works for HUD. She’s been there for only a few months and is shocked at the amount of wasted money the federal governent spends. I just laugh. The CG has always been put on the chopping block because of tools like Papp. Read what he said in the senate hearings. The Republicans are turning out to be the CG’s friend. Obama is spending the country into oblivion with social programs and they are cutting organizations that REALLY work to the bone. It’ll get worse too.

Absolutely!!!!! Wife of Senior Chief Electricians MAte!!! I watch and listen and there are so many cuts in other areas needed before our safety!!!!!!!

Amen

I agree in letting the USN build our ships. But, USN ships usually have thirsty turbines, while cutters can linger for weeks on diesels.… Unless you enjoy Unrep every 4–5 days on ALPAT’s in the Bering.

Having USN build ‘em would also eliminate the embarassment of not being able to refuel from an Oiler. USN Oiler min fuel delivery rate — 900GPM, NSC Max fuel acceptance rate — 600GPM. USN shipbuilders would probably have caught that error…

We current and former Coasties all have been told “You have to go out…but you don’t have to come back”. The risks we have facing us now has nothing to do with the perils at sea, but the dangers in DC. Congress and the administration need to be forced to realize, the Constitution mandates certain things that the US Coast Guard provides. Unfortunately, our government is spending too much trying to buy votes from varying contingencies. We must tell ALL of our brothers and sisters and families to compel congress to fund the Constitutional necessities and de-fund the pork, slush, waste and welfare. By denying us they are endangering the nation. They are denying us the ability to uphold our sacred oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. Your nation is calling in a “Mayday”; who is going to answer that call?

Charles Brey, USCG (retired)

Coast Guard would not be able to carry out their federal law enforcement missions if they were placed under control of the DOD because of the Posse Comitatus Act.

I say suspend foreign aid for one year, stop giving stupid internal grants such as save the cilifornia field mouse, ACORN and others, a 20% pay cut to congress for base pay and 75% for expences, and we can pay to upgrade the USCG with new ships and equipment with those savings and not have to send any of them packing.

I have served 12yrs besides the most professional, well trained but un-noticed branch. I am so tired of not only “The Hill” not appreciating us but the country. This has been an on going disrespect since the beginning of this branch. And its ashamed to know my own country is that blind of what we do each and every day. Other branches train their whole career just to maybe live to see a war. What we are trained for we do everyday with no respect, money or recognition.

Brave: We the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful!!!!

SEMPER PARATUS

“The Coast Guard doesn’t build cutters very often, once every 25 to 30 years.” Take another look, your own post proves this statement is inaccurate. Cutters built in the last 30 years; 87s, 110s, 140s, 175s, 225s, 240, 270s, 282, 418s (two NSCs) and I’m not sure about the construction tenders (there are a bunch). You are right on the money with cost over runs and design/engineering mistakes regarding DW (NSCs & the failed 123 program).

Skip, I don’t know what you are basing that on.…either sour grapes or misinformation. As active duty Coast Guard of more than 23 years in the organization, I don’t see that civil rights are a problem. I see decision making problems on lots of budgetary items but we have a highly diverse workforce and non hostile environment.

What the hell are you taling about>

The cutters and planes will be built. They want to cut the jobs though. I guess that the 1,100 jobs that the Coast Guard & Congress plan to cut will add to the curent unemployment stats. THANKS FOR A JOB WELL DONE! Well, good thing is that they will be competing aginst less qualified applicants already on the unemployment lines.

This would be narly impossible. Becuase of the Guards Domestic Law Enforcement role, which by law considers all E-4’s and above Customs Officers and the other domestic Law Enforcement requirements the roles cannot go to DOD. Unlike the other services, most CG units are small units with Enlisted Commands, with real authority. E.g. an Officer in Charge of a unit can Imposed punishment under Article 15 of the UCMJ. Unlike other services where typically only Senior Officer’s have this authority.

Please educate yourself regarding The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. This Act has been reviewed regularily and is embraced by DOD, CG, Congress and Executative Branch.

Do not forget IRAQ I spent 8 months serving with several Army units while on the RAID Team.

I do not understand how any intelligent person would cut the funding of one of the most needed, underfunded, ignored organization. The USCG is at the front lines protecting our shores and saving lives, not to mention the rest of the important tasks such as environmental pretection and boating safety. Someone mentioned here that they will certainly change their minds once the first thing happens… I guess they have no clue of the Katrina response, Haiti.… and every SAR mission every single day from Alaska to the Florida Keys. As an Auxiliarist Coxswain(And former Reservist), I dedicate my time and knowdledge to support this great branch, even my boat serves as a USCG Facility. I know first hand how much underfunded we are, I mean, I do not mind at all picking up the slack(As we are spread thin) and I do it proud. But the fact of the matter is that the USCG should be a priority especially now after 9–11, everything has changed since. I do have an idea, qualify us Aux members to carry weapons(I can only imagine a .50 on the bow of my boat…), there are thousands of us willing to answer the call… And we dont charge! Still, I am proud to wear the uniform and will continue to do so until they pry my hands off the helm.

With ethe CG’s federal law enforcement missions, the “Posse Comitatus Act” prevents the Coast Guard to operate under the DOD. The Coast Guard’s primary mission is Law Enforcement.

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Typical government bureaucracy! Politicians posture and give speeches about national security, but for personal political reasons cut
important tools and personnel from our Coast Guard that does the hard work to protect America and at the same time taxes citizens to
redistribute dollars for social welfare. Outrageous !!!

The USCG is a great bunch of people, I have trained and crossed trained with them on many occasions and hold them in the highest regards. They have unrightly been moved from organization to organization so that thier funding could be obsorbed for other projects and they mannged to get the job done still which in reality hurt them because it allowed that organization to say see you didnt really need that funding after all, they got thier budgets increased and the coasties cut or froze. It is all BS, I feel for you guys. Too bad you are not still currently under DOT, maybe then some of the funding going to non existant highway programs would really stimulate the economy building and reapairing ships for you.

From a man who has been on the front lines in the most shitties of places in the Anbar Province on more than one occasion to the members of the USCG who get to fight the fight that we all want to be involved with:

You take care of our families and our citizens at home while we are gone, you get to take care of your fellow countrymen in a one on one situation, you get to take care of our own country, which is something that we all want to do. If you want to know why Congress always cuts your budget, this is how I see it. The political faggets that we have allowed to run our country are more worried about foreign people and foreign policies for the foreign trade that we have allowed our country to rely on, so with that said, they cut your budget cause they don’t care about Americans, their own people, and that is who you all get paid to take care of on a daily basis. So, if you have never heard it, THANK YOU.

The entire problem can be solved by doing what should have been done long ago. The mission that needs to be cut permanently and finally is drug interdiction. The war on drugs has made this country the laughing stock of the free world and has only lined the pockets of politicians who own the private companies that run the prisons. A fair estimate is that all the law enforcement agencies combined seize less than 3% of the drugs entering this country. Supply and demand is king and cannot be circumvented. Free up that money and give it to the Coast Guard so that they can perform the missions that make a real difference!

VERY Well said!!!

Here’s an idea, How about using the auxiliary more! The auxiliary does have an older generation but it does have younger blood. I know for a fact as being an auxiliarist and a law enforcement officer that the CG needs to look within and use the talents and expeirence the auxiliary has. But, it seems that all they care about is using the auxiliary for Public Education. This is something that can be down by the states instead of the federal government.

Wow!

Colin, you hit a raw nerve, and the level of intensity of this discussion is great. You need a follow up story to keep this going. How about talking to that Congressional staffer contact of yours and have them get a Congressional hearing on the budget and status of the Coast Guard that includes public testimony, not just the standard budget pitch?

I served on 2 USCG Cutters that were designed and built for the USCG. Both were ~ 40 years old when I served on them. USCGC Bibb is now an artificial reef off the Florida Keys. However USCGC Bittersweet is now a proud member of the Estonian Border Guard. Both served well into their 50’s. Not many other military organizations can claim the same. The USAF B-52 may meet or exceed the challenge for 1. Anyway the point is the US Government and American people got their money’s worth. Does it surprise anyone that the USCG is the organization that received top praise for its response to Katrina??? It does not surprise anyone who knows the USCG. They do more with less every day, and know how to sidestep political manushia to do what’s right, rather than wait for the local, State, and Federal bureaucrats to get the who’s in charge of what game straight.. As for the Deepwater fiasco, better oversight is the answer. NOT cutoff of funding. Now is not the time to run the USCG up on the rocks to keep her from sinking.

Let me first say I was stationeded aboard WHEC 384 and WAGB 4 in the mid-late 60’s. At that time the “High Endurance Cutters” were hand-me downs from the Navy, designed for duty in the south pacific, not the rougher waters of the North Atlantic. Our Icebreakers were also hand-me downs from the Navy. I think that if anyone wants to know what the Guard does the first need to talk to those who have experienced the Guard first hand, Talk to those folks who we pull from sinking yatchts and ships, those folks who have ventured out into open seas in 18′ pleasure crafts without enough fuel, etc.
Those folks in Washinton don’t know the first thing that the Guard does, talk to those fishermen in New England, Alaska. I think it is appalling that people want to cut funds from this most active branch of the military.

Hey Raid, we usto say ” SEMPER PARATUS” someone forgot US!

Unnoticed, unrecognized and way un– or under appreciated.

Your right the war on drugs is a joke that lines many pockets and is unsuccessful because our laws are a joke. We could cut this problem in half in a very short time if we just tightened our laws. Illegal drug disrtibution is and aslo leads to more acts of violence against the American people. Therefore the laws should be just. Anyone involved prosecuted and convicted in the production, culturing, harvesting, transportation, solicitation of illegal drugs is punnishable solely by death. Transportation shall be considered any ammount in possesion that cannot be consumed by the individual without causing a loss of motor skills enabling him to function normally. If people faced real punnishment rather than slaps on the hand and probation they will be less likely to cross the line — this would also free up space in prisons so we dont have to let prisoners out early to create more crimes. But the USCG does a good job with what they have at performing interception, remeber they are not just looking for drugs but also weapons, illegals, and fake products coming into this country.

Alex, without sideing with freak, I’d say proof read before you hit the send button. As for the national security point, I agree with RJB. The point of “Homeland Security” is just that. HS is taking a lot of hits because of its leadership. Presidental appointments to the Secretary position should be vetted more than just “he’s a good ole boy or she should know what she’s doing because she has a degree.”

Unfortunately, having 4 years of college and a piece of paper doesn’t take the place of hands on, long term, dedicated service. They should choose someone who has lived the experience and had to make decisions that dealt with life and death on a real time, real life, looking to the future basis.

Oh Ya, and while I’m venting. Who’s the lame brain that decided to move a “CHAPLAIN” into the first seat anyway. When I was in there were only 2 (assigned through the Navy) and both wew at BOOT CAMP!!! I guess that’s one more HAND-ME DOWN that the Guard Gets!

I am the wife of a Coastie who has been serving for 18 years now. It makes me sick to see these political hacks talk about gutting the most under appreciated and over worked men and women in this country! The Coast Guard already operates on a budget that is laughable compared to what these Congress nuts are smuggling to their crooks and cronies..this incomming Commandant is a joke, he is a hand picked Obama agenda guy that is not going to be looking out for those who serve under him but he will do everything the President wants to further their agenda in this country..God bless all the men and women in the United State’s Coast Guard and I pray this country will have woken up enough to start holding these elected officials accountable for what they are doing to this country.

“” These privileges, these responsibilities, do not appear in print. They have no official standing, they cannot be referred to by name, number or file. They exist because since 1920, Coast Guard CHIEFS BEFORE YOU HAVE FREELY ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY BEYOND THE CALL OF PRINTED ASSIGNMENT. Their actions and their performance demanded the respect of their seniors as well as their juniors. IT IS NOW REQUIRED THAT YOU BE THE FOUNT OF WISDOM, THE AMBASSADOR OF GOOD WILL, THE AUTHORITY IN PERSONNEL RELATIONS, AS WELL AS TECHNICAL APPLICATIONS. ” ASK THE CHIEF” IS A HOUSEHOLD WORD IN AND OUT OF THE COAST GUARD. YOU ARE NOW “THE CHIEF”“
—–United States Coast Guard Chief Petty Officer Charge—–

Chiefs Up! Everyone of us has a moral obligation to challenge these attempts to castrate the USCG! Thanks to all of you who have heeded this call! It is our unspoken call to action of all the U.S. Coast Guard family to address this concern with the tools that are afforded us at this time. Even Joint Forces Command should take note and support our cause!

MKC Houston, USCG Retired

I just got back from getting the mail and found a letter from the US Dept of Commerce telling me that next week I’ll be getting a 2010 Census form in the mail. Talk about cutting billets in the Guard so that the Dept of Commerce can send everyone in the US a letter to infrom them that another letter will be mail out next week.

Vice Admiral Papp turned political, I guess this is why he is the incoming Commandant. He has forgotten that is not about the suits or the dinner parties, is about the Coasties, there families and most importantly the SAFE KEEPING OF AMERICA.

I proudly served in the USCG during the 80’s. I now work for a large school district and watch as the district leverages potential school closings, cutting activities and staffing,and doing away with vital programs just to show the public and state officials the ramifications of getting no funding. The Commandant is forced to do the same by making these tough choices. The old adage “you don’t appreciate what you have until it’s gone” would hold true. City officials seem to vote no for extra law enforcement or fire dept. personnel until a crime wave hits or their houses are on fire. The missions coasties provide deserve better support!! Why our government seems to always “ignore before and react after” the fact is beyond me. I hope it doesn’t take another 9/11 (only on the waterways)to get the support needed.

You are either one who has not served in the Coast Guard or a person with deep personal issues. The Coast Guard that I know has better Civil Rights respect ans inclusion of all persons. In the Coast Guard you are not a hyphenated group designation but a “Coastie”. We all have serves with pride and satisfaction, at a job well done. My greatest disappointment is that I no longer serve, but my memories of service are the best of my life. To do the job Congress has required of us while being the stepchild of the Department of Treasury, then Transportation and now DHS has forced ever increased demands on an underfunded and under equipped service, but through it all we have excelled above and beyond. Our only problem is having become the only part of the Government that does the most with the least amount of money. The taxpayer has always gotten more than they paid for from the Coast Guard.

Not to sure that you are correct about the difference between Cutters and Navy ships. Last time I checked, ours are shorter, narrower, slower, and manned with much fewer people. Glad that the Navy gives us their hand-me-downs, but its time that someone stands up for the Guard and brings us up to and through the 21st century.

Great idea, but don’t leave the President out as well. No back room chushie job either — front line jobs as enlisted men.

sorry guy’s ! what i am refering to is the period of time durning ww2 that the cg took orders or was run by the dept of the navy.
seems that if they were able to buy and use navy designed in shore boats and gear now being built they would be way ahead. cut the man power i ask how can it be done safely. as a former long time member of the aux. it seems if any thing they need more man power not less

Good luck with getting any just laws in this country. The so-called justice system is too broken to even fix. Legalize them all and let those who want to consume gorge themselves. Survival of the fittest!

:)…I thought the same thing when I got my letter but I can one up you on that…I got two and I am the only one in the house. MSTC (ret)

I joined the CG in 1964 and spent 20 years. In the 60’s we called the Navy dump CG supply. I don’t know why Congress and Administrations of both parties think they can pile on more and more responsibilities without funding but it has been going on for a long time. Every time a new department is formed the first thing they do is try to figure out how to get the CG into it, but then they don’t defend it. We need someone willing to stand up and make a scene.

Retired Helo pilot

David, as a [humble] reserve officer, I say you hit the nail right on the head.

I am married to a Coastie, and in my opinion the CG cannot afford to have anymore budget cuts. Their boats are falling apart, the workload is distributed unevenly (as in one person does the job that up to 5 people in another branch are assigned to do), and not to mention that the CG protect our homeland. I’ve always lived around large bodies of water, and if the Coast Guard wasn’t there, I know many people who wouldn’t be here today. As for cutting the most experienced leaders…it’s partially understandable, and partially not. I don’t believe there are enough MCPO’s to really make a difference when cut. However, how about cutting those who fail to make weight every time there’s a weigh-in? You join the CG and you KNOW there are physical standards to meet so you may be semper paratus. At our current station, there are many, MANY enlisted personnel who have failed weigh-ins and were then stuck into the ‘fat man’ program only to get weighed in again and BARELY meet the standard by a pound because they suddenly started PT for the program then take laxatives the last week to barely make it. Only for them to fall back into terrible eating habits and non-existent PT. It’s those people who miss weigh-ins and have to do the FM program over and over who should be discharged, because they obviously don’t follow the motto of being prepared. Someone who is overweight will not be able to execute a physically demanding task if the time came to. I hope some resolve will come of this.…Coasties don’t get half the respect or recognition they deserve!! But again, just an opinion.

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Always have and always will do the best we can with what we are given to do the job with. Pride in our ability to be ready when asked. that is what makes the Coast Guard work. i have been in position to here from the rescued, “why were you not here sooner” I never heard the response “we were under funded” mostly “Sorry we will try harder next time”. those that do will always understand, that those who do not do, will never understand. the Coast Guard budget has been restored more than once by telling the truth and doing what had to be done.

sorry guy’s ! what i am refering to is the period of time durning ww2 that the cg took orders or was run by the dept of the navy.
seems that if they were able to buy and use navy designed in shore boats and gear now being built they would be way ahead. cut the man power i ask how can it be done safely. as a former long time member of the aux. it seems if any thing they need more man power not less

I believe the military has COLA for Retired Pay, an annual raise to adjust for increased cost of living. Does this not also account for inflation?

Having worked the overhauls of the WHEC’s Dallas, Hamilton, Chase and Gallatin back in the ‘80s I can feel the CGs pain. Those ships should have been scrapped because they were in such bad shape. But they are still in service awaiting replacement. What will it take, a cutter to go down at sea before notice is taken by Congress? Guess it’s more important planned parenthood and acorn get funded instead.

I am proud to be on DEP for the Coast Guard waiting for my ship date. Thank you for re-affirming my confidence in my decision to become Semper Paratus.

The Coast Guard motto should be changed from SEMPER PARATUS to DO MORE WITH LESS

A’s USCG is the best and deserve much more credit/respect than they get. Just ask anyone whom have called them with an ex-fil request. It will take DHS at least 8 more years to become 70% effective.

It had a sign over the boat house door “YOU had to go out,You did not have to come back”. Still doing the same with nothing, but experience and the grace of god,SAR as I knew it does not exist, as it did in the 60 s the right stuff back then will get your ass in the wringer today

Bosn
Ya I remember those High year tenure days and the rif of the 1990’s Alot of good Aviation types got the boot because they didn’t get advanced. But it didn’t help that they boneyarded all the HU-25 Falcon 20’s on the west coast and was over billited for years after that. Did they do away with High year tenure after they got rid of the old timers? I agree with ya boot out the ROAD“S. We always did more with less Same old story what a shame! Mike T AMT1 USCG Ret

Most People believe that the USCG only guards the coast, but the reality isthey search and rescue many people from icy waters and get no credie for it. They have out dated ships abd helicopters and should be funded more, so they can do the JOBS they have to

At the risk of sounding ignorant like Alex, I do have to admit that DHS is not all it is cracked up to be. My view is that DHS was a knee jerk reaction to 911. The agencies within it are vital to Homeland Security and do a pretty good job with what resources they have. However, forming DHS really did not solve the issues that led to 911 and only served to create more beauracracy and red tape within the US Govt.

What else is new!!!!! As a retired MCPO after serving 26 plus years in my beloved Coast Guard we were always expected to do more with less. While under the Dept of Transportation we were always vying for funds with other agencies in the DOT especially the FAA. I thought that after we moved to the Department of Homeland Security that we finally would be funded to the level that was required. This happened ini;tially but seems to be in the process of changing. The Coast Guard has consistently been an organization that has given the taxpayers the “Best Bang For Their Buck.” When is the Executive Branch and Congress going to realize that the Coast Guard is probably one of the most over extended and most result oriented organizations of the United States? Maybe it is time to stand fast and tell the Executive Branch and Congress that if they are going to reduce funding and reduce personnel then some of the mission’s being performed will be eliminated or cut. It is high time that the Coast Guard stands up for itself. Doing more with less is no longer an option for the United States Coast Guard. “Semper Paratus!!!!!”

One has to wonder if this was more of a look into “hey, if we cut the services we offer more then this is what will happen.” Nothing gets leaked without reason. We have had the attitude of do more with less for too long. Other services gets tons of money and we’re fighting to keep aircraft and cutters running. Don’t even try to think about having them up to date with the times. Unfortunately it will take another major event for us to be noticed. We we in Haiti doing great things before anyone ever knew. Why didn’t that get covered well maybe because it’s a third world country that doesn’t offer the U.S. anything to benefit from. So far ADM Allen has been the most up front and this is what we are going to do type of guy. What we don’t need is a “yes” man to run the organization. We’re already reusing everything we have past its life span, let’s no make it work time catastophic failure.

read a letter to congress from valley forge 12 december 1777. This is not the first time we have had to face cuts. Hold Fast and pray Ad. Papp will do whats needed based on the facts and the needs of the uscg and fight like hell for the uscg and the american people.

I spent 39 years on active and reserve duty and retired as a SCPO. I didn’t see anyone but civilians clean the johns for the last 25 years so I don’t know where you are coming from. I agree with most of what you say. As for the ring knockers, you are about 90% correct. Most of these people can’t find their behind with both hands tied behind their backs! There are a few though that I have met and worked for that were really very good. I am glad I knew them.

I guess this means that CGHQ had more opportunities to get it right and still screwed it up!

Here here. The Northwest hears you, and will spread the word. Diversion, yes. Draw-down, no.

OSC Henry, USCG Retired

gotta be an Obamabot zombie liberal

I served for 30 years before retiring in 2002: 4 in the Navy and 26 with the Coast Guard. We can sit around and lament anything we choose but I just want to point out that while venting may make us feel better, it is not productive.
Remember that Admiral Papp is not the Coast Guard Commandant YET! He still has to be confirmed.
Letting your elected representative know how you feel about it might be more productive than this forum.

And while you are at it, you might remind your representative of the history of the Coast Guard bouncing from one Department to another and suggest preventing that altogether by the simple expedient of forming a Department of the Coast Guard!

The Coast Guard has always been asked to do more with less. Nothing new here.
PAC Ron Cabral, USCGR (Ret.)

Amen and you are so right on!

Fine go ahead with the cuts.…also go ahead with this special services.…don’t come craddle back and cry about it not working out and wish you never even thought and put into action with this special service.….
Let the Coast Guard Reserve and Active do there job.…with out them this country would be in a whole lot of trouble.…Our boarders and coast lines would be in very bad shape.

Skip your an idiot, you have know idea what you are talking about.

As head of Human Relations Committee at Headquarters for many years and also the Historically Black Colleges and Universities Representative for the Coast Guard for many years also and as the Officer representative for Black History Month alongside MCPOCG Vince Patton I think I can speak to this subject with some level of expertise. I am also a Silver Level Life Member of the NAACP. I served 7 years of enlisted time out of a total of 23 1/2 in the Coast Guard and 1 year in Special Forces in a Major billet while on the TDRL while a LCDR. My last 6 years were in the Coast Guard, but I also had a desk at an AF base as the XO of the Lockheed Skunk works detachment at Carswell AFB in Fort Worth, TX. The Coast Guard had the least number of high ranking officers and enlisted members of any service I served with. In the Army my immediate superior was a Black one Star. at the time the CG had just previously had it’s only recent black Captain retire and had one serving black Commander. In the bast, However, the famed Commander of the Cutter Bear was black. and was the #2 man in the Coast Guard. While we all praised Benjamin Davis of he Tuskegee Airman for being the Air Forces first black General, few knew that his dad was a two star during WWII in the Army during the time that he was an “experimental officer” in the Tuskegee Airmen in the Army, or that there were black men being turned out by the ROTC from HBCUs in the late 1930’s and after and serving in the regular forces, such as the infantry in all white units.

But for the Coast Guard, I saw no real problems, save for the swimming requirements that seemed unduly harsh towards blacks with certain African lineage who tend to float like rocks. This needs to be reviewed as very few Coasties are required to swim for miles or tread water for hours.- it is a little unduly prejudicial. Don’t allow these particular men to be rescue swimmers or be Aviators, but I think there are many other jobs they could serve very well at.

I have friend in other services who are black and 4 stars, none in the Coast Guard — I don’t know if a black man has ever pinned on over two stars in the Coast Guard — if that, if so was there ever over one black Admiral in the Coast Guard?

Incident wise — never saw any where the handling was not fairly handled. Incidents were few, and I was stationed in DC for 17 years.

…and I am Caucasian. I think either Skip is wrong, or the Coast Guard has changed an awful lot since 1993. …and as a Casualty Assistance Officer — i don the Uniform at least 3–4 times a year and go to bases of all types and work with both enlisted and officers of all types, and I spend most of my time listening. You learn to listen after you get a few decades on you.

Wow! “The last time the Coast Guard had a decent budget was in 1790.” We procured 10 Revenue cutters, after that we had to make do with what we captured; of the original 10 revenue cutters here is their fate:

1) Vigilant

Launched in March of 1791, Vigilant may have been the first cutter hull to enter the water. She was built at New York for service in New York waters. Her first master was Patrick Dennis. She was sold in November, 1798.

2) Active

Active launched on 9 April 1791 at Baltimore, Maryland. She patrolled the waters of the Chesapeake under the command of Master Simon Gross. She was sold in 1800.

3) General Green

General Green was launched on 7 July 1791 at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. She was assigned to the Pennsylvania station under the command of Master James Montegomery. She was sold in December, 1797.

4) Massachusetts

Massachusetts was launched on 15 July 1791. She was built at Newburyport, Massachusetts. Her first master was John Foster Williams. She was sold on 9 October 1792.

5) Scammel

Scammel was launched on 24 August 1791. She was built at Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Her first master was Hopley Yeaton. She was sold on 16 August 1798.

6) Argus

Argus was launched sometime in 1791. She was built at New London, Connecticut. Her first master was Jonathan Maltbie. She was sold in 1804.

7) Virginia

Virginia was launched sometime in 1791. She was built at Norfolk, Virginia. Her first master was Richard Taylor. She was sold in 1798.

8) Diligence

Diligence was launched sometime in June or July of 1792. She was built at Washington, North Carolina. Her first master was William Cook. She was sold in 1798..

9) South Carolina

South Carolina was launched in 1792. She was built at Charleston, South Carolina for service in South Carolina and nearby waters. Her first master was Robert Cochrane. She was sold on 5 June 1798.

10) Eagle

The first Eagle was launched sometime in 1793. She was built in Savannah, Georgia for service in Georgia’s waters. Her first master was John Howell. She was sold on 14 September 1799.

Note that one of these ships was sold only one year after being launched, the “Massachusetts”; that says a lot for the funding ability of the United States in 1790 when they were less than one year old. One must also remember that during the time immediately preceding 1789 the United States had more than 10 presidents in less than 10 years during the Articles of Confederation and before the Declaration of Independence and then the Constitution ratification, which took some 13 years (I believe.)

I joined in 1968 — at that time we still at the Cutter Taney, which was at Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked. I may be wrong, but I believe it was given to us by the Navy because it was wore out. That was the way we used to get everything. I have an old picture of E City Air Station showing over 15 different kinds of aircraft, a friend who was active then said if you had the duty — you flew whatever was ready to fly and suitable for the mission — the manual was basically, know how to start it and what speed it stalls at. Everything we had were hand me downs.

Then we got 210’s and 378’s and in Aviation we got HC-130H’s, and HH-3F’s — wow that was something, after that the era of ol aircraft was almost over — we had a few leftovers after that — but it was pretty much new stuff from then on and no more 50–70 year old ships. …and someone is complaining about our budget. HS is the best thing ever to happen to our budget, I was in Drug Interdiction for years and it was like a money spigot — now a potential new Commandant wants to turn it all off and go back to “you have to go our but you don’t have to go out” Been there, done that!” Didn’t come back 3 times — Now rated Combat Disabled 100% because of the injuries incurred from forced landings. I’ve had a lot of seizures and a few strokes and i know better than that — please VADM Papp, do not say no to this mission, it is good for the CG, and it is important to America, and we do it better than anyone!! I flew Goats until the mid 1960’s, the were from the late 30’s, had astrocompasses on the for gosh sakes. …and we were still flying HH-52As in the late 1970’s and beyond; kudos to our techs.

Bill Danner

Senility prevails…the quote was supposed to be, You have to go out, but you don’t have to come back.”

Bill Danner

I was at HQ for 17 years They say you become dangerous at 3 because you have observed an entire funding cycle and now you have the money you asked for and know how the system works. Imagine how dangerous you are by 17. I would start in early September going around to people i knew had money they couldn’t spend and would lose it the next year if they didn’t spend it this year with a simple offer, let me have your money and you will get all your funds next year — I would get stuff back like, “It’s too late to contract it” too which I would reply, “let me worry about that.” The answer would always be no — i would tell them i would see them next week. …and of course they would be in deeper Kim-chee by then. With about a week to go they would usually come to me saying please if you have any way to spend my money, you can have it — because otherwise they will deduct it from what I am supposed to get next year, but by now it has to be too late. I would tell them to go on the other side of the curtain for just a minute, place an order get a verification number — and then show it to them with their amount on it and tell them thank you. I would always get — how did you do that — and i would always say, I don’t have to go through contracting. I would even have real hold outs that would show up at about 1PM on the last day of the quarter, and I would show then a fund cite with their money spent. Had to give them one for their records just to be nice, although it would always clear finance and get them their whole budget as long as I had it by Midnight of 20 September. What was really infuriating was that I could get any aircraft part or ship part for that matter at a lower price by NOT contracting than they could by going through the famed A-76 process.

As for the early 1990’s our problem was that we had a man named Clinton who had been saving a fortune and making America wealthy (no budget deficit) by cutting bases and not buying replacement equipment or spare parts, when the 1st Iraqi war broke out he had already done something like 31 engagements with “bad guys” and fired missiles at everything from tents to aspiring factories, we were down to one Patriot missile, hardly any 50 cal ammo, 20MM ammo, mavericks or anything else of use. Also out of Humvees, jeeps, and everything else that went with them and our 2 1/2 million man Armed Forces was more like a million man armed force, hence call out the reserves and the national guard.. We had done wonderful increases in welfare and other embers of the voting public like illegal aliens.. Seems we had to wait almost 60 days to supply up before we could take on the bad guys and by then they had been running a four lane highway to Syria 24 hours a day 7 days a week getting all the stuff that they weren’t supposed to have out of Country. then the very guys that complained about these terrible weapons that they claimed they didn’t have, backed them up. Even though last month Iraq hung Chemical Ali for killing tens of thousand of people with chemical munitions that “they didn’t have” but Clinton went to the United nations about countless times to complain about before we got in the war. We also shot down several of these nonexistent warheads before they hit Israel with patriot missiles, and therefore bypassed WWIII or at least a smoking hole to be later named the Baghdad swimming hole when the radiation level finally went down say in 100, 000 years.

“This Country been berry, berry, good to me”

Bill Danner

You need to refresh your history.…..
Where did we start our proud history.….
I do believe it was the Revenue Cutter Service, and what were they doing.
In World War II we were the one patrolling the coastline and watching.
Our job is to save lives and protect our homeland.
DoDs job is to take the fight to enemy.
ADM Papp may have the right idea of cutting services, but lets hope that does not have to happen.

Well said brother ‚thank you and GOD bless the “coastie’s”

You don’t seem to remember the Regan cuts. Mismanagement is bipartisan. And, what is the point of your Pearl Harbor anectdote (which isn’t accurate, either)?

Old Guard = SAR, Drug Interdiction, Migrant Operations

New Guard = Holding Hands and Sing-a-long’s.

Give the CG what it needs to operate, or we may not be able to. Remember 1984–85 and the Save fuel program? NON– SAR was 1500 RPM’s?

You are so right! My oldest son is in the Coast Guard. He is a Health Services Technician and he has a very important job of taking care of new recruits with medical processing, medical needs, etc. If you are rescue person for the Coast Guard, you risk your life everytime you go out on these rescue calls. You are the ones that can save these lives. Without the rescue Coast Guard personnel, many lives would be lost. The Coast Guard is here to protect the US and what would we do without them! There should be no cuts!!! They better think of another way to not cut the United States Coast Guard — THE DEFENDERS AND GUARDIANS OF THE SEA AND OUR LAND, NOT JUST HERE IN AMERICA BUT MANY OTHER COAST LINES OF OTHER COUNTRIES THAT WE NEED PROTECTION FROM! As a mother of a coastie and aunt of a nephew who is also in the Coast Guard, I honor you for the job you are doing and I pray that you will always be safe!! I have a younger son in the Army and pray that he will be safe always and especially next year when he is suppose to deploy to Afghanistan! God Bless You for your service to the United States of America!!!!

As I read these comments and the above article it pains me to know that I gave so much to these programs along with all my team mates and ADM, Papp wants to shut it all down. I spent 7 years in the guard and made E6 in 5 1/2 years busting my ass for these programs. I was at PATFORSWA in the beginning and then MSRT shortly after being stood up. They were good then, but when the big wig “old schoolers” got ahold of these programs you could see the demise comming. I was ultimately severly injured in a training accident at MSRT and medically retired. Reading about Papps possiable confirmation and threats to shut down these vital programs makes me think it was all in vain. I loved the guard and the non traditional duities I participated in and now I kinda feel lost without it.

We said the same thing when the wife and I recieved the same ltr. Lots of wasted time and paper.

JohnnyD: I think RADMPapp has made a deal with Obama to get nominated as Comdt.

JohnyD

. I did 2 yrs Navy WWII and 46 years as a civ with the Coast Guard and retired as a GM-15 (by not saying yes all the time). I went through at least 5 Comdts and 18 CO’s and was instrumental in the CG Logistics System for Electronics and ATON. In allmy years I participated in loading and supporting our efforts in LORAN and ops in every war or police action who all needed Coast Guard boats and crews(who never got any credit) for their participation. Recde personal awards from three Comandants and was the prime activity in SupCen Bklyn getting over six unit citations for logistics for these operations. . RADM PAPP must be an OBAMA puppet who played “lets make a deal” to save money by destroying my beloved Coast Guard. I would not have put in 46 years if I thought we did nothing for the nation. PAPP would put us back to the days when they called the CG “fresh water sailors” (which I believed in WWII as a young 17 yr old Navy sailor). (Had to cut off — too long).

glad to see Papp is being open and up front on how the budget cut will effect the guard…the guard can only last for so long with constant cutbacks…there are break points…it’s now on the table that if they lose more funding whats going to be cut…those in control of the cash can’t say they didn’t know…

To Skip and Alex,

I hope Mother Nature’s grip on your throat is as firm as the grip of the hand of the Coastie pulling you from the grasp of death, while drawing your last breath, before swallowing the cold cold salt water deep into your stinging lungs.….…

To Skip and Alex,

I hope Mother Nature’s grip on your throat is as firm as the grip of the hand of the Coastie pulling you from the grasp of death, while drawing your last breath, before swallowing the cold cold salt water deep into your stinging lungs.….…

and under which branch of the service have you served? How often have you left your wife and child to step up and serve your country ?

i was stationed on both the CG cutters Mesquite and Acacia in the late seventies.
after arriving in Gitmo for Navy Warfare Training, thank god for the Naval vessels moored there..they let us come aboard their ships and pilfer the parts bins for the many parts we desperately needed to keep everything running below decks.

David,

The USCGA is a bright spot in the realm of US professional officer corps development. Any institution has their blind-spots and weaknesses, but what the USCGA does with their raw talent , working with such minimal financial resources, is admirable. I am ex-enlisted Army and also held a US Naval commission–I applaud the USCGA for their consistency, tenacity, and dedication to providing this country with high caliber officers.

Coast Guard Haters??

A quick glance at the experience of the participants commenting here disproves your statement.

Call Amtrak and ask for a ticket on the Clue Train.….

I am a former Coastie, I sailed on The Morg and was a Coxswain on a 41′ UTB. Recently, my Father asked me why I got out of the CG years back. I replied that I loved the CG but they work you to death and you have to hold things together with bailing wire and duct tape. Yet, the CG prevails and was once one of the the U.S.‘s greatest agencies. Face it, both Presidents Bush (1&2) loved the CG and Coasties were rewarded. Budget cuts by this administration-no da! It may be time to disband the CG and turn it over to the Navy and Marines.

This is nothing new. Every 4 years they get a new commadant and the CG does another 180. Thats why I retired at 20 yrs when asked tto stay in. They did fram and spent millions on weapons sys and the next FEARLESS leader cut all the sys and removed them. He was an MIO person not a real sailor and never understood the real meaning og the CG.

I spent 20 years as Coast Guradsmen, never regretting it for a minute. I worked long hours doing what the Coast Guard does best– Saving lives! Now cutting back the CG resources is insane. Congress will have to approve this action, so letters to our reps in the Capital should help a bit. Go COAST GUARD!!!

I for one am extremely proud of the fact that our very own CG HAS BEEN THE VERY FEDERAL AGENCY to tell the Government the full truth and nothing but the truth to both the American people and their elected officials. We should remember this day into the future when others look upon us as their model.

It’s funny how this goverment can even think about cutting the Coast Guard’s Budget when right now there are operational units in the guard that have to use a budget assigned to them that sadly has not seen a major change in 20 years to keep the equipment running on a High endurance cutter which for the most part some of the manufacturers who made the parts are non-exsistent. Then when situation arises this administration knowing fully well they’ve cut the operational legs from underneath the Coast Guard they expect them to still do the mission. People up on the Hill wake up in the years to come the mission and op tempo of the Coast Guard is only going to increase. Cutting the Budget, Not providing the Coast Guard adequate asset and downsizeing it is not the answer. Get on a CG helo and spent 8hrs out there searching for one body in the ocean or get underway on a Cutter that should have been de-commisioned 20 years ago and hope that it doesn’t break down cause somebody’s live or livelyhood depends on you doing your mission, Mr. Obama should give that a shot and then justify to me why he shoud cut the Coast Guard’s Budget. Good Luck with that one Mr President, so far I’m not impressed.

From whom much has been received, more shall be expected. “Well done thou good and faithful servant, Guardian of our shores, tho hast done well. Here is less! For thou hast done more with less, mayahps thou canst do even more with even less!” Write your congressman or woman! You and I can make a difference if you speak up. Remember to actually mail it!

“skip” ~ WTF are you talking about and how would that have anything to do with This article???

BillDanner ~ as an active duty Coastie, thank you for all your service. All Coasties take a great deal of pride in being the most progressive and functional military service both historicly and currently. Thankl you for helping make and keep us ahead of the curve!

“My guess is that it will be similar where anyone with a factor less than a 4 on their evaluations (Officer and Enlisted) will be considered for discharge”

how many years do you think they will go back on the evaluations? are you saying anyone who ever got a 3 in there marks should get ready to be fired?

on thing that doesn’t make sence…cut a budget of something that actually bears fruit, instead of putting funds into it. have the fines and money seized go back into the service instead of burning it or giving them to banks that can’t manage resourses.

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