Afghan IEDs Show Rapid Adaptation

Afghan IEDs Show Rapid Adaptation

At a New America Foundation sponsored event today in Washington, researcher Alec Barker presented an impressive collection of data on IED attacks in southern Afghanistan and western Pakistan that show not only more attacks but an acceleration of bomb making skill and use.

Thoroughly schooled in Iraq, where techniques were refined over the years, the IED bomber guild has increased in size and skill and taken their know-how on the road, compressing the training cycle. The rapid pace of innovation in consumer electronics which are used in most triggering devices, has allowed bombers to jump from one triggering method to another as soon as countermeasures show up in the field. With plenty of targets in the form of foreign troops, Afghan insurgents, as with Iraqi insurgents, are able to continually refine and evolve their tactics.

As an example of the rapid pace of bomber innovation, Barker said it took the Irish Republican Army 30 years to progress from command wire bombs to remotely triggered devices. “By contrast, it took about six years for militants to make the same improvements in Chechnya, three year for fighters in Gaza, and about 12 months for insurgents in Iraq.”


The IED bazaar is found on the internet, said retired general and former commander of the Pentagon’s counter-IED task force, Montgomery Meigs, who also spoke at New America. How-to manuals and an extensive video catalog of attacks are readily available on the internet. The IED phenomenon has gone global, Meigs said, with drug cartels in northern Mexico now using the weapons.

While bomber knowledge from veterans of the Baghdad university urban battlefield has certainly found its way to Afghanistan, there is also significant evidence of cross-pollination between the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban branches. Data mapping shows a heavily seeded “IED highway” running between Kandahar in southern Afghanistan and Quetta in western Pakistan. Most Taliban IEDs are detonated by remote radio frequency devices, despite the heavy use of radio frequency jammers there. Some have progressed to using low-metal switches that are difficult to detect with mine detectors.

Nearly 80 percent of all casualties in southern Afghanistan are caused by IEDs. The attacks in Afghanistan are deadlier than they were in Iraq because troops patrol on foot more in Afghanistan than Iraq. Even a small bomb can wreak bloody havoc on dismounted troops while it would have no effect against heavily armored MRAP vehicles, Meigs said.

Luckily for troops in Afghanistan, one of the deadliest insurgent weapons from Iraq, explosively formed penetrators (EFPs), a finely-machined, shaped-charge warhead able to penetrate the heaviest armor, have not shown up in significant numbers in Afghanistan. In Iraq, the U.S. military never saw Sunni insurgents using the lethal EFPs, Meigs said. It was an exclusively Shiite weapon.

Barker said the solution to IED attacks is not more spending on new technologies but better human intelligence on the bomber networks, finding a human solution to a human problem. Meigs disagreed somewhat, saying that investments in new high-tech sensors that could spot IEDs, have greatly aided troops in the field.

Meigs, who spent much of this time at JIEDDO battling perceptions that his task force was a waste of money, did say the training his teams provided troops in the field greatly decreased the number of lethal IED attacks in Iraq as they learned to better spot the devices. The various Sunni “awakenings” movements, where insurgents decided to quit attacking U.S. patrols with IEDs and chose to side with the U.S. military in order to survive the Sunni vs. Shia civil war in Iraq, was a big reason IED attacks dropped so dramatically in 2007.

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Why do these barbarians have internet access?

It’s called capitalism and free markets, dude. You don’t like that?

JL

Since they have the internet, why are they not using it to watch porn? What are they going to do with all those virgins if they never look at porn?

If the Russians, Chinese, or Cubans invaded North America, on the pretext of finding the ‘WMD’s, or the ‘mastermind’ behind the attacks of, say, Moscow, Bejing, or Havana, would you PEOPLE be so flippant in your comments?
What did you think of the ‘WIKILEAKS’ 37 minute video, showing AMERICAN helicoter pilots and gunners, while they made snide. crass comments about gunning down unarmed reporters from RUETERS, as well as shooting CHILDREN and unarmed civilians?
You people CANNOT tell me that YOU wouldn’t be fighting this ‘hypothetical’ INVASION force that I describe, with any methods at your disposal.…

WHAT makes you think that you are so frigging HOLY?
YES, I am an American, a natural-born citizen (unlike BARRY SOETORO!).

The price of GASOLINE is going UP again, despite the best efforts of the FED and SOETORO to give the BANKSTERS a ‘bailout’ (or FIVE). I would GUESS that we are LOSING the OIL WARS…

Good Evening Folks,

The internet for sure helps but the fact is the Taliban are whipping our a** and they are doing it the old fashion way with superior leadership, superior intelligence and superior battlefield technology. Think about the Taliban in ten years of fighting the US has even had 10K troops and most of the time they have numbered under 3K. The US has always had a ten to one advantage.

The problem is that our leader don’t want to fight and we just don’t get it on technology. Our idea of hight tech is a 22,000 lb. JTLV to transport Soldiers and Marines over Afghanistan’s inhospitable landscape or that dumpster on wheels called the Stryker that is a no brainer target because it can’t leave the road, the Taliban know exactly where they will be passing and with their excellent intelligence they know even when the Strykers will pass. Of course the Stryker has become known by the Soldiers who risk their lives in it as just “coffin”.

Only a fool would call the Taliban barbarians. They are resourceful and innovative in their adaption of technology to defeat the United States and NATO. This is the same culture that until the mid 19th. Century was vastly ahead of Europe and the United States in military technology. The 1453 siege on Constantinople has yet to be matched by the United States or the Europeans for technical innovation or combat and political leadership.

The Taliban are investing their R and D into defeating the United States and according to the two US Generals and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs they in far are winning the fight in Afghanistan. The Taliban are not stupid enough to build weapons like the F-22, F-35, EFV etc. whos only future is to become lawn ornaments at service museums or decorations at an entry point to US bases.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Byron, you are a bloody fool. The ONLY reason these insurgent bloaks are effective at all is because they do not follow the rules of law at all in any sense. The IED are just as often detonated against other Afghanis as they are against US and NATO forces. I guess if the Americans put 1/1000th of their military potential into this fight instead of trying to go around defusing these IED’s and building up local communities, and instead used that to just carpet bomb every single thing that gave off a heat signature.… well you’d see who was really “Winning” then. Byron, I don’t know where you are from but I’d recommend you go educate yourself and stop drinking the Taleban Kool-Aid.

Right on! This is what the American’s deserve for illegally occupying Islamic land!! Long live the freedom fighter! The Americans are the real barbarians!

@ HerMagesty’sSBS

You are the ignorant one, apparently. The nature of war is changing fast, as this article and Byron point out. Carpet bomb ANYTHING, and you lose the war; it’s as simple as that these days.

Ignorance knows no bounds.

Well said! Watch your back now ya hear, you might end up on a no fly list, or on a free flight to GITMO concentration camp.

In regards to the entire war/s, As some soldier once said in a letter home, “its a hell of a war Mum, but its better than no war at all”

The loosers are the Afhani/Iraqi civillains and US taxpayers, the winners are shareholders and CEOs in Boeing, BAE, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics etc. They don’t want the war to end. Come on, who really does. Theres money, excitment, adventure and big corporate profits. The military certainly don’t, or thats the end of their $170,000,000,000 a year ‘supplementals’.

How come every dead American is a ‘Hero’, but every dead civillian killed by them is a ‘regrettable’. How come every IED attack that destroys an invading nations Tank or vehicle is a cowardly attack, but every Missile dropped by a UAV controlled 7000km away is not?

The Taliban or not cowardly, in fact some video footage I saw of them attacking a Bradly by placing a bomb underneath it while the gunner was slewing his turret around was one of the bravest things I had evr seen. The guy looked like he was weaing shorts and a T shirt, probably a teenager at best. He waited less than 4 meters away from the vehicle perfectly still until the turret rotated away, then would move in a little bit closer. Its on Youtube if you want to see it.

Its a mistake to say that eveyone who ever opposed the US invasions isa war criminal, and is a religious despot. I bet if anyone invaded the US you would be out in the streets with everything you had regardless off religion or political views.

You call them BARBARIANS?. No wonder you are loosing the war. The Nazis made the same mistake, they called the Soviets ‘UNTERMENSHEN’ (sub-humans) . Read the ‘Art of War’, you might learn a thing or two. One is “Know tyour enemy”. Obviously you don’t.

hahahahahaa, your mate William C has choked up all the porn sites downloading. Anyway, the way i see it, if they are blowing themselves up because they are promised 72 virgins, then deal with the virgins. Get Private English and her mates back into action, Then whats the point of blowing yourself up as the virgins are no more. Actually I take that back, thats a bit sick and insensitve, no give them free YouPorn, and then the virgins will disapear by themselves.

What keeps getting missed both here and by the brass is that all involved are not just goat hearders and opium growers, They have a lot of big money behind them — they send people to medical — engineering — electronics — IT and other schools and colleges contiuously, and they hire mercs from many countries. Our tactics are becoming more and more technology bound and micro mannaged. Too much twechnology in the battle zone boggs you down and micro management gets people killed and the bad guys get away. Special Boat Services has it right from an operators point of view, If the press wasnt there and all eyes on what is going on we would go in an eye for an eye and hit them harder than they have been hit in years and make it look like a tribal war while doing it, no score cards — just retribution. There is no place for humanitarian efforts in a war zone — our first rule of engagement was “IF YOU DIDNT SEE THEM AT BREAKFAST THEN THEY ARE THE ENEMY-EVERYONE ELSE COMES HOME” and we did.

Just what does SBS stand for, Silly Buggers Society?. “Mission accomplished, we won our objective in Afghanistan to free the Afghani people by carpet bombing them to death”. Hmmmm.…I see a slight flaw in your plan. Um .…couldn’t you just Nuke them, I mean 30 or 40 9 Megaton thermonuclear warheads aren’t going to be missed out of 4500. Go on, i know you want too! Admit it, you devil you! Hey didn’t I see you going out with Susan Boil before she was Famous?

They are barbarians Pete. What else do you call these animals who chop off the heads of prisoners, stone women to death for “violating” their twisted form of Islam, and have ensured Afghanistan remains a broken nightmare of a country for the last 30 years! People like you who try to glorify the enemy are the ones who should read some damn history.

You mean that cut-up and edited video from a site run by a (confirmed) troop hating leftist? The one where two reporters hanging next to insurgents with RPGs and AKs got killed? Those reporters knew the damn risks of hanging around next to the enemy. I’m not going to insult those AH-64 pilots for doing their job like you.

Really now? Russia, China, or Cuba invadign the United States? Of course we have WMDs, we invented the damn things and just like the Chinese and Russians we need to maintain a stockpile. If somebody did invade the United States, of course we would fight. But we wouldn’t HIDE behind women, children, and civilians! We wouldn’t blow ourselves up in marketplaces filled with said civilians.

You claim to be an American but the way you fall for propaganda, insult our soldiers, and praise the enemy proves you shouldn’t consider yourself one!

SBS is Special Boat Service, and is a unit of Brit special forces like the SAS. Typical somebody as foolish as you doesn’t know that. He is right, we could kill everybody in that country until they stopped fighting if need be. Problem is we are trying to rebuild the place.

Whipping our ass? We have killed tens of thousands of militants, Taliban, or whatever you want to call them over the years. They are NOT outfighting us. Reports show this nonsense about them being “born marksmen” are BS. They don’t have any form of unifed leadership, and they most certainly don’t have the technology. They are simply trying to outlast us, and adopting similar methods (aka plant IEDs everywhere) as the Iraqi insurgents.

Have you been reading Mike Spark’s works Byron? Are you going to start pitching the M113A3 as a wonder vehicle that can do anything? JLTV isn’t even in service, and the Stryker has done as good as any APC in it’s weight class can be expected to do. It may not have the same advantage it had in Iraq, but it is far better than a HMMWV.

They are barbarians. I already went over this point. Their actions prove them to be such. The culture you speak of that destroyed the Byzantine empire isn’t related to modern Afghanistan. And the siege of Constantinople has yet to be matched simply because the technology has advanced so far. How long will great stone walls hold up against 2000 pound JDAMs, accurate 155mm artillery, and well equipped combat engineers? It wouldn’t be a siege today.

t is clear they aren’t winning the fight Byron. But little is being accomplished in the way of getting the country to stand on it’s own. That is the objective, and the Taliban are simply trying to outlast us. Sooner or later we are going to leave. And they will do their best to take control from whatever government we have established and get back to running Afghanistan into the ground.

You speak of the F-22, F-35, and EFV? We need those weapons for the next war Byron. Do you honestly think we are never going to fight a conventional military again? Do you think aircraft and vehicles currently in service don’t age? MRAPs, remote controlled weapon stations, IED jammers, audio and visual sensors, and countless other developments show R&D is going to COIN warfare as well. The biggest problem is simply red tape and delay.

Massive conspiracy by the defense industry? Typical conspiracy theory garbage. Civilians die in war, and it is regrettable. But considering the huge number the Afghans have killed themselves, what is your point? We should hate our soldiers because of it?

Any force that blows themselves up in marketplaces, hospitals, police stations, and other areas packed with civilians counts as cowardly as my book. They hide behind civilians and make videoes of it. Yet the saddest thing is that fools like you fall for their propaganda. These “people” would tie you up, and chop your head off like any other “evil westerner” they get their hands on. Don’t fool yourself otherwise.

Geez, when did facts get replaced for innuendo, speculation, and outright lying? I don’t know which is worse, the easily disproven (and irrelevant) “superiority/moral culture” arguments of William C, or the tired and worn out (and oft discredited) Military Industrial Complex conspiracies. The REAL point here is that with numerical superiority and a slew of advanced weaponry we’re making piss poor progress against a largely grabasstic and disorganized group of illiterate goat herders who really aren’t well thought of by the average Afghani.

What we have failed to realize is that again and again we systematically cede every advantage we possess by bungling everyday basic operational undertaking. Build an Army?.….NAH; we’ll just spend 8 years having guys do maneuvers from the Von Stueben’s Blue Book for the media. Numerical Superiority?…..NAH; let’s spread out until our guys are outnumbered deep in hostile territory where help is 30 minutes by rocket ship. Secure and build local infrastructure/commerce?….NAH; let’s keep rotating personnel until the locals view us as strangers. Who needs jobs anyway? Moral High Ground?…..NAH, support a corrupt President whose family is bilking the country while bombing anyone anywhere (even whole weddings) on EXTREMELY dubious intelligence. (60% of which turns out to be false rumor based on tribal feuds) to get enough “high value targets” so we can brief congress we’re making progress! I mean COME ON, it’s like we’re not even trying…..I mean even a blind squirrel gets the nut sometimes.

Good Morning Folks,

Most likely as the only one here to have actually participated in ground combat, I don’t remember any rules book. As for somebody using the handle of SBS, well they are simply full of bull. Any current or former members of said organization, if it even exists, would certainly not talk about here.

As for the next war, get a clue we are at war now and if we don’t at least come to some type of a status quo agreement in Afghanistan there might not be a next war to worry about.

Pete I agree with you the losers will be the Afghan people who have been taking it on the chin from foreign invaders for hundreds of years. I still looking for who a US declared war on Afghanistan. As you said the winners of course are the play all sides in the game defense contractors.

I wondering if The Heritage Foundation people might want to tell us about a new domestic terrorists organization called: “Heritage Action for America”. It appears that this terrorist group intends to us it copious amount of lose cash to infuriate congressional districts and and threaten to buy vote for opponents to members who don’t but their rather goofy vision of American. Of course all this is terrorism has been made quite legal by our corrupt Taney/Roberts Antebellum Supreme Court.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Your next.

take it from a Vetern war is not a good thing in fact most people dont know such horror if they did they would never want it ‚but to maintain freedom it must be done.for one group of people to force there beliefs on another is wrong every man has a given birth right to worship in any way he wants. if history teaches us is that if you cram it down people throats sooner or later some one will not like it and throw it up right back in your face.. as you read about religon some were along the way in all religions have truly lost what they were intended to be, do you think god sits in heaven relaying messages to profits to write if you kill yourself and men ‚women and children in the name of God your granted a seat next to him with all those virgins. I dont think so . Were suppose to be all Gods children religion is away to control the the people . not know untill God says its time for you to know.

what better way to keep people in check than with if you dont believe what I believe your soul will burn. or i’ll cut your head off. remeber one thing we are all barbaric in one way or another what make one man hurt another .until man gets it that life is more valuble no matter what form its in there will never be peace. the universe is to complicated for man to keep going around and believing what they beleive in is what is right .you realy will not know till God let you know.

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I know where your coming from believe it or not. I wish we had maintained our industrial base just as strong as our military base which would allow us to be neutral and not get involved in world affairs unless provoked. But you know as well as I that if forced to fight, then fight and get it done with, leave the politics and liberalism behind. Other countries may grimmisce at what we left behind and not openly approve but at the same time they will not want to provoke us themselves and face the same response. Most of the folks over there could care less about TV, electricity and elections, all they really want is to be left alone to raise thier kids, crops, and heards. They cannot do that till they stand up for themselves collectively and most are not ready to do that.

If it so easy disprove me then Pennst98. There are only thousands of dead civilians to support the fact that the Taliban are what they seem to be and not your noble “freedom fighters.”

Wow, taking a page from the Obama playbook and labeling this Heritage Action for America a domestic terrorist group? Like all of the military veterans that are also “potential domestic terrorists”? Pathetic. If you want to see a “goofy” vision of America, look at what you leftists are trying to accomplish.

The industrial base to build advanced military ships, aircraft, vehicles and technologies is something that needs to be maintained Byron. You can’t just cease all work, research, and development one day and then expect to be able to produce new planes or submarines “when the need arises” like you seem to suggest. Plenty of work has gone towards COIN focused equipment Byron, to suggest we stop everything else to focus more on such warfare isn’t going to fix anything.

Well, have you reported him to Homeland Security yet, for a rendition flight to you-know-where under the Patriot Act II, whereby anyone “who is deemed to be working as a foriegn agent is stripped of his rights under the US Constitution”? Obviously anyone who critsises the killing of civillians and reporters is by the US Military is a spy or traitor.

Byron — SPECIAL BOAT SERVICE (SBS) is the maritime version of SPECIAL AIR SERVICE (SAS), Brittan — New Zeland — Canada and Australia all have SAS and SBS units, Rhodesia also had SAS and SBS when they were around. Rhodesia also had an elite unit called the SEALOUS SCOUTS but how many of you have heard of them, SBS really does exist. I once worked with a group of Dannish Yeager corps(sorry if I misspelled it ) who are some of the best LRRP’s in the world but few have heard of them as well, The ISREALI’s have the parafrogs who are similar to SEALS but you never hear of them either, Just as it wasnt long ago when most people didnt know what a SEAL was. And as for your comments on the new terrorist threat — ACORN and some unions did it during the last election and I dont recall any of us calling them terrorist (just crooked), but it is nothing new to our election system, it’s been the norm for decades now.

Still, isolationism is still a bad idea imho.

Had we left europe (perhaps even asia) to rot in the many occasions of the past, I’m curious if we would have worried about overt invasion.

Actually, Canada never had a SAS or SBS unit. We had the JTF 2 (Joint Task Force). It was originally geared towards black ops but that has blurred in the last couple of years. We have also recently stood up the Canadian Special Operations Forces Command in 2006. It contains the JTF2, a special aviation squadron, joint initial response unit and Canadian Special Operations Regiment.

Good Evening Boomer,

I know what the SAS and SBS are and in the UK just to mention them in the media could get a visit from the Home Office and your very own copy of “The Official Secrets Act”. My point is that a lot of the Bull Shitters at the end of the bar who claim to be SEALS, RANGERS, SPECIAL FORCES, Submariners, Spec. Ops. etc. it very convenient that they can’t talk about their exploits. In my war its the guy that did SOG missions into Cambodia, Laos and North Vietnam and he is denied his VA benefits because his service records don’t exist.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

I never spoke of total isolation, we did the right thing going into the world wars — Korea and NAM needed better reasoning if we needed to be there then it should have been a war and not treated as a police action. The issue is we have the resources to do what ever we need right here, should have kept all of our industrial bases here as well, trade is OK but we should not have to trade for our own goods or have to go over seas to protect those goods.

I stand corrected then, thanks for the info and keeping me straight.

I’m glad to see that so many of you finally understand the viewpoint of the freedom fighters in Afghanistan. I’m glad to see that logic has finally sunk in with your Yankee and Brit Imperialists who try to shove your so called democracy down the throat of everyone in the Middle East. I’m proud that we have folks like Byron Skinner who can articulate against the Western Imperialist war machine and about the vast Zionist conspiracy that controls the US, UK, EU and UN. It’s truly a great day for those who never want to see aggressive intervention by yankee christian crusader imperialists.

So how much does being the propaganda minister of Iran pay these days?

I have met quite a few of those individuals — both types. You can always weed out the Walter Middy’s, they are just too enthusiastic about thier war stories. There are even more of our guys out there that served during the cold war facing the same issues as a lot of our Nam era operators and it really is an injustice. I also personnaly know a guy facing these same issues for years, he had a lung collapse 86 from a piece of frag left in him that finaly made its way to the lung, VA would not treat him because he had no record of such injury during his tour in Nam. He did recieve a real nice letter and medal in the mail though in 98 acknowledgeing his service and his injury — too little too late, he passed away in 97. The info those guys need is there — after so many years I dont see why they will not release it when so many already know we were in the areas we once claimed we were not.

Palestien — you are a joke and dont know what you are talking about obviously. The last time there were freedom fighters over there was during the Russian occupancy of Afghanistan, and it was us bad guys as you like to call us that went over there, trained, equipped and led you to drive them out. Since then your so called promised land has been nothing more than a bunch of gangs trying to sieze controll of the drug trade by threatening your population. You use religion as your reason for fighting but noone here has ever tried to convert you to christianity — we do not even impose than upon our own people, all we did and do is go after those that threaten us and/or free the opressed from slaughter. You destroyed your own country from within out of greed and cowardness to stand up for yourself — you cannot blame us for your weaknesses.

Good Morning FreePalestine,

You are correct in that I think the creation of Israel after WWII was a very bad idea, done purely to resolve the collective guilt of Germany, and the rest of Europe, and to a lesser extent the US who at least at first opposed the creation of the Jewish State.

And I don’t find much to like in 18th. and 19th. Century Zionism. I think the religious basis for a Jewish State is just as wrong as the Islamic Republic. I’m a firm believer of a secular state period.

I do find it humorous that the current position of the looney AM radio, American right wing, who has in just the past 20 years. has taken up the cause of protecting the Jewish state. Of course not all the American right favors Israel, most of them still have unanswered questions about the USS Liberty.

If I recall the current American Right wing ideological base is Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest, the Confederate ‘hero” of the battler of Ft. Pillow, and the KKK of the 1920’s, which viewed Zionist somewhat even lower the Blacks since there were also bomb throwing anarchists.

But again Jewish money going into the American right wing speaks very loudly, everything is for sale. To the American right wing if you say a lie often and loud it becomes the “truth”, civil debate is their enemy.

The current fashion in American right wing politics of a religious war with Islam is the height of pure idiocy. If any of them had the ability to read,which see not to have increased much since the that of the Confederate soldier, they would have seen that this has been tried before and failed.

The last country to attempt to eradicate Islam from THERE country were the Soviets, who I guess really are the inspirational model for the current American Conservative.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Nah, I agree a lot with wht byon Skinner said, but he didn’t say anything about a vast Zionist conspiracy. Or do I need to chop your head off to get you too agree?

I ask again — when have we tried to eradicate ISLAM, we are the founders of freedom of religion to the point we allow religions that honestly have no bearing on religion (SCIENTOLOGY sound familiar), we have never launched a religious campaing against anyone unlike other nations. Religion has nothing to do with this war, plus we went to greater lengths than any to protect religious symbols of ISLAM than we possibly should have. The JEWS didnt do anything that we did not do ourselves — they fled constant prosecution from non Jewish nations by establishing thier own much in the same way we did during the AMERICAN revolution and the TEXAS fight for independence.

*yawn*

Who’s Mohammad Amin al-Husayni?
Why was he a Palestinian leader and why did he ally with Hitler and recruit thousands of muslims? http://​en​.wikipedia​.org/​w​i​k​i​/​M​o​h​a​m​m​a​d​_​A​m​i​n​_​a​l​-​Hus…

All you guys ever want is fascism and extremism, no peace or no progress. No wonder you guys think its the middle ages.

I’ve often wondered what the muslems terrorists do with their USED virgins? Do they just throw them to the side like a used baby diaper? And what about women terrorists? Do they get 72 virgin males? This is such a strange religion. Nothing makes any sense to me about it.

What do we call “soldiers” that kill reporters and children from helicopters or who torture people in solitary confinement?

Oh wait, Americans.

The edited video was right above the unedited video. Of course, you’d have to actually look for yourself instead of watching Fox News for your information.

So, there was no editing to distort things and US soldiers did kill unarmed Reuters reports and then the people, including children, who tried to help the wounded. The Pentagon admitted that the footage was the actual thing.

If we’re winning, why is it 9 1/2 years later and we’re still fighting them in their country. We beat the Nazis in half this time and we had to march through Europe to do it.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt, eh?

How do you like the Hutaree, William? Your cup of tea? They sound like you.

Whose dead civilians? The ones that the US kills over there, like the women last week that were on all the news?

In other words, they have a war plan, one that actually makes them the winners. Well they had the Viet Cong, then the Iraqis exacmples to show it can be done. What, pray tell, is the US war plan to win the Afghani war?. I think a guy called Col. Mitchel was responsible for producing the Plan to Win WW2, whcih was pretty well adhered to up to the final victory over Japan.

Good Evening Folks,

Pete. I don’t use the word coinspiracy, it’s to loosely understood, but on the influence of the German Jewish Community and their self imposed social isolation and controlling involvement in our securities and Banking industries in the 19th. Century it is easy to see how they acquired the political connections to have a disprotionately strong influence on the American government with out taking the risk of any personal participation in the process.

To label it a Zionist Coinspiracy is just to simple and doesn’t aquatically describe what took place.

My position is not anti Jewish, its just that I like a high degree of transparency in Government. Zionist, like Free Masons, Mormons, Marxists, Fascists and later Communists all wanted to work their influences through the back doors of power and into government and society in order to gain special privileges and compensations.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

You appear to have an axe to grind. Why so glum? Also wondering why your facebook profile leads nowhere. Seems trollish.

Afghan is roughly the size of Texas with about 28 million folks. The country has 3 major climate-terrain areas. It is mainly an agricultural economy.

They basically have no infrastructure.

There are no meaningful national boundaries. Loyalties are based on their tribe, local commerce, religion, and terrain (valley-ism).

The hallmark of guerilla war is that a relatively small force can tie up a much larger force for years. The guerilla uses tactics and weapons that exploit their strengths.

The problem with killing everybody and destroying everything is it doesn’t work. The Soviet effort in Afghan killed about 1 million folks and destroyed entire villages, yet finally lost.

The fact that Afghan is negotiating with the Taliban highlights the fact that it is a civil war (realizing there are lots of players with lots of motives in a landlocked country surrounded by other countries with various agendas).

We have a military that is designed, organized, trained, and equipped to fight a similar enemy while moving forward with internal lines if supply/support/communication. Although we talk Nation Building, we aren’t configured to do it. Therefore, until we have a clear validated doctrine, we will continue to struggle.

There isn’t enough money in the world to make Afghan look like the USA in 2010 overnight. It is my opinion that we have to use a high-low mix of technologies to build successful model 19th century villages then spread the solutions as appropriate to the METT-TC. The first goal is a Nation that can feed itself, then the 2nd goal is to become economically self-sufficient.

Look at the unemployment, malnutrition, and death rates in Afghan and you see the origins of war.

You can clearly see several of the so-called ‘civilians’ are holding assault rifles and RPG’s.

As for the vehicle (and children) that was fired upon later. The vehicle was not marked with a red cross, or red crescent. (The International / Middle Eastern symbol for medical workers) Therefore there was nothing to indicate to the Apache pilots that they had humanitarian intentions.

It’s also a documented fact that insurgents often pick up the bodies / weapons of their fallen comrades. This is to deny the enemy (the Western countries) intelligence on how many were killed. To retrieve the weapons for future use by other insurgents. And to clean the bodies of weapons so insurgents suddenly become civilians.
Therefore, for all intents and purposes, the vehicle was an insurgent vehicle doing a cleaning operation, and was a viable target.

Additionally, If they were truly ‘callously and deliberately’ firing on just anyone, why did they cease fire with the wounded man crawling away? Wouldn’t they have fired again? As according to you, they had already just fired on unarmed civilians, what’s a wounded man to them?

Another example is the recent Pakistani airstrike which killed or injured 70 ‘civilians’. Yet footage inside the ambulances shows several of the victims wearing camo and BDU’s. Logic suggests a civilian would not be wearing military gear in a warzone. Yet people like you fall for their propaganda.

As for the language used by the pilots… please, if you are that easily offended you shouldn’t be using the internet, or even going outside your house.

It never ceases to amaze me how the press is so ignorant concerning threats to our troops. Isn’t nice of the article author and Meigs to remind the insurgents that thier current TTP’s are ineffective on MRAPS and EFP’s would be more effictive. The insurgents probably already knew this but to have Meigs validate the fact in the DoDbuzz confirms it.

Yeah you think they would have gotten smarter over the years but NOPE. I remeber watching the nightly news during NAM and saw my dad and uncle throw a slew of curse words at the TV. The reporter gave out so much info that the NVA shifted thier mortars around and started hitting vital targets from the info the reporter gave. Remember the reporter on the beach talking about how at any moment a US assault force will be arriving, so much for the element of supprise. Not to mention how they kept talking about the major MARINE operation about to be launched in Afhanistan, Oops lost our stealth there as well. And lets not forget that IED’s were much smaller before we told the war how deadly they were and that we were going to armour all of our vehicles.

Still mad over those reporters who got killed while hanging around a group of armed insurgents? Cry me a river. Better them than some more soldiers killed by an IED or RPG strike by those same insurgents the reporters were walking around with.

And tourture? One need only google any of these milita groups to see how they specialize in torture, and usually to some poor business owner who is being accused of helping the “evillll western invader.”

Unarmed reporters walking around with insurgents armed with AKs and RPGs? Perhaps those reporters should have thought that one out a bit. And some civilians get caught in the crossfire like in every war for the past thousand years. Am I supposed to be upset at our soldiers for doing their duty? Hell no. But if you want to praise the scumbags we are fighting go ahead. Perhaps you will try to join them and get your head chopped off on the internet. BTW the Pentagon said the video was edited and didn’t show the whole picture.

Gotta love your liberal revisonist history Byron. Funny how the left is guility of just about everything you say, minus actually recognizing the objective of our enemy.

Damn Straight William…I have watched that video 5 times now and see no wrongdoing on the part of those pilots. The enemy was intermingled with reporters and the enemy was a danger and fired upon our troops on the ground. In defense of our men those insurgents were fired upon and the reporters were collateral damage and it is true that insurgents often pick up bodies and weapons to prevent body count and documentation so it was the logical thing to do to fire on the bongo truck. It would have been unwise and not tactically sound to wait until they could possibly be fired on again and maybe lose a U.S. soldiers life. If you think with your head and not your ass you would see the pilots did the right thing. You think they liked injuring those children? It was an accident so get your head out of your ass and support our troops and the job they are doing overseas, because without them willing to stand up against our enemies and be strong, our country would surely fall and all you overly sensitive pussies would be sol!

1. Most Jews are Liberals as proven by voting and polling records.
2a. We can read and so could our ancestors, as incorrect as they were in their views of equality.
2b. Civil War was truly about state’s rights, which now really don’t exist.
3. There is no religious war.
4. Soviets? Really, if you remember your history we don’t like the Russians. We are supposed to be bigots remember. Stick to your story ha

.Serioulsly MF the hell are you doing on a dod buzz site. You and your ideas that we are imperialists are the reason why this war rages on. If you want this war to end so badly quit lying to yourself and others about the goal of the troops there. Pashtun culture is a very honorable one and people like you are corrupting that culture and abusing the fact that pashtuns choose to fight all invaders, but guess what, WE ARE LIBERATORS and EXTERMINATORS. We are in Afghanistan to liberate from the Taliban which we did, and to eradicate Al Qaeda. They are not freedom fighters or noble in any sense, they are terrorists with no sense of right and wrong and on top of that they disgrace and discredit the muslim faith around the world. The reason why there is intolerance for arabs and muslims is because of people like you who propel the propaganda machine of fanatical physcopaths like Anwar Al Awlaki and Usama Bin Laden. Without men like them countries like Afghanistan would have no need for our troops because they wouldn’t then be harboring and supporting terrorists. You and people like you, who see the U.S. as an invading force are ignorant and if you think for some reason that anyone cares what you say and we are going to withdraw from Afghanistan anytime soon you would be wrong. It is not happening so quit your bitching and look at the situation realistically. Oh and I support Israelt! haha

Whose saying they’re freedom fighters? Certainly I haven’t ever insinuated this. This is beginning to mirror Vietnam where the civilian populace has signaled they don’t care anymore, they’re just tired of dying. Either we figure a way to bring security and economic progress (without the corruption) or they’ll sit it out/support the Taliban.

Where the insurgents and militants are MOST successful is where they are bringing an end to rampent political corruption and lawlessness.……where WE are most successful is where we’ve brought an end to banditry and political corruption is low. Sense a theme here? It’s almost like we should build a strategy around it.….……NAH, let’s build a $100B dollar program that never works!

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