Gates Orders Military, Change Now

Gates Orders Military, Change Now

Driven by stark fiscal realities, the lessons of two long wars and with the backing of his president, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has issued a clarion call for an end to the Cold War forces that still shape the U.S. military. In a speech at the Eisenhower Library, complete with references to Ike’s warnings about the growing power of both the military and the industrial bureaucracies, Gates also issued a parallel call for a reduction to the hip-deep bureaucracy through which he and other leaders must wade to get things done.

Gates noted that Eisenhower made the difficult choice not to use U.S. power, then near its zenith, in the Middle East and elsewhere. Instead he made strategic choices to preserve America’s global influence. “This restraint wasn’t just a true soldier’s hatred of war, and all of its attendant costs and horrors. It came in no small part from an understanding that even a superpower such as the United States – then near the zenith of its strength and prosperity relative to the rest of the world – did not have unlimited political, economic and military resources. Expending them in one area – say a protracted war in the developing world – would sap the strength available to do anything else,” Gates said in a clear reference to his earlier declarations that the U.S. is unlikely to engage in wars of choice in the future. Translation: we won’t do anything like Bush’s Iraq invasion as long as Gates has anything to do about it. And even when America was virtually awash in cash and boasted the world’s most vibrant economy, choices had to be made.

“Looking back from today’s vantage point, what I find so compelling and instructive was the simple fact that when it came to defense matters, under Eisenhower real choices were made, priorities set, and limits enforced,” he said in his Saturday speech.


Today, choices must be made because “the proverbial wall has been brought to our back,” Gates argued. But this is not a new position for the secretary. His first major push became public last April 6 last year, when he announced program cuts and restructures, leading to the end of the F-22 and most of the Future Combat System programs, among others. The decline in the number of new program starts for the foreseeable future has raised concerns about the American defense industrial base and the long-term ability of the country to project forces globally.

Rumors keep swirling that Gates is building a second portfolio of cuts, similar in scope to those he made April 6,  to help him in his battles with Congress, which are likely to be fierce. In his Saturday speech, he took on the general officer corps, the civilian bureaucracy. “During the 1990s, the military saw deep cuts in overall force structure – the Army by nearly 40 percent. But the reduction in flag officers – generals and admirals – was about half that. The Department’s management layers – civilian and military – and numbers of senior executives outside the services grew during that same period,” he said. “Almost a decade ago, Secretary Rumsfeld lamented that there were 17 levels of staff between him and a line officer. The Defense Business Board recently estimated that in some cases the gap between me and an action officer may be as high as 30 layers.”

Cutting commands has historically been an extremely parlous exercise. Members of Congress want commands in their district to have the highest ranks possible for reasons of both prestige and jobs. Four star officers hate to cut command positions because it is the most direct form of reward they can offer their peers and cutting a command will usually mean the end of a career for a general officer.

“The Defense Department must take a hard look at every aspect of how it is organized, staffed, and operated – indeed, every aspect of how it does business. In each instance we must ask: First, is this respectful of the American taxpayer at a time of economic and fiscal duress? And second, is this activity or arrangement the best use of limited dollars, given the pressing needs to take care of our people, win the wars we are in, and invest in the capabilities necessary to deal with the most likely and lethal future threats?” Gates said.

To force such change, Gates is acting from the top  – the only way it will get done and Gates’ preferred method of operation: “I am directing the military services, the joint staff, the major functional and regional commands, and the civilian side of the Pentagon to take a hard, unsparing look at how they operate – in substance and style alike. The goal is to cut our overhead costs and to transfer those savings to force structure and modernization within the programmed budget. In other words, to convert sufficient ‘tail’ to ‘tooth’ to provide the equivalent of the roughly two to three percent real growth – resources needed to sustain our combat power at a time of war and make investments to prepare for an uncertain future.”

For the acquisition community, Gates also pressed a case that may lead to the longest long-term shift in the U.S. military’s weapons.  He said the services “must change” how they build requirements. “Before making claims of requirements not being met or alleged ‘gaps’ – in ships, tactical fighters, personnel, or anything else – we need to evaluate the criteria upon which requirements are based and the wider real world context. For example, should we really be up in arms over a temporary projected shortfall of about 100 Navy and Marine strike fighters relative to the number of carrier wings, when America’s military possesses more than 3,200 tactical combat aircraft of all kinds? Does the number of warships we have and are building really put America at risk when the U.S. battle fleet is larger than the next 13 navies combined, 11 of which belong to allies and partners? Is it a dire threat that by 2020 the United States will have only 20 times more advanced stealth fighters than China?”

Congress will strike back, be assured, and Gates may already be backpedaling from his tough speech last week to the Navy League, when he appeared to question the need for the current carrier force and the future submarine force. Talking with reporters on Friday, Gates claimed — even though he took his job at the end of the Bush administration and then stayed under Obama — that he might want to change things but he is “not crazy. I’m not going to cut a carrier, OK.” Instead, he said that  “people ought to start thinking about how they’re going to use carriers in a time when you have highly accurate cruise and ballistic missiles that can take out a carrier that costs between 10 and 15 billion dollars and has 6,000 lives on it.”

Gates told his audience that America needs no more studies, nor legislation to achieve the changes he seeks: “It is not a great mystery what needs to change. What it takes is the political will and willingness, as Eisenhower possessed, to make hard choices – choices that will displease powerful people both inside the Pentagon and out.”

Watch our coverage later today and through the weeks to come for the views of those powerful people who are displeased. The emails started arriving over the weekend.

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Good comment, Boomer, on cutting the LCS. Need to look at close substitutes instead of one-for-one replaceements. But, I’d say we can take some risk in strategic assets — like ballistic missile subs — because they are doomsday weapons and are used to make threats and counter threats. They can never really be deployed. As to cruise missiles, I believe our Walmart friends, the Chinese, are making more than enough to saturate attack any carrier battle group that nears their coast. So I won’t say the carriers are safe.

To save money, we really need to admit that some of our very wealth allies need to defend themselves. If Japan is scared of China, let it pay for its own small Army and we can close Okinawa. If Germany can bail out Greece, they can pay for their own missile defense.

BRAVO! It’s about time someone put their finger on the problem. His actions, while laudable, now beg the question, “when does he turn his attention the Services themselves?” The bad ideas, corruption, mismanagement and contractor friendly contracts/requirements aren’t generated in a vacuum.

While his power allows for some elimination of redundant hierarchies, this is only the first step. To truly effect change, we need a major shift in talent/focus on the Services Senior Leadership (aka Generals/Admirals). Each service has an developed an insider clique that controls who gets promoted and who is retired. Unless he breaks up the Generals Club Kabal in the Pentagon, the bad apples will just wait him out and go back to their reindeer games.

Gates intentions are laudable. However, DOD will react the way they always do to calls for staff cuts: wait him out. There will be studies, briefings, and meetings for sure. What will change in the end? I’m willing to bet it will be: NOTHING.

I am not nearly conversant enough to argue numbers. Hopefully, capability has improved and have offset some of the quantity (though some one said, “there is an intrensic quality to quantity.”) Such being the case, Gates still has to lean into the harness. You cannot champion readiness if most of your bucks are going into acquisition or operations & sustainment.

BTW, ballistic missiles (maybe not the Minuteman III) can hit moving targets. As long as the target is illuminated (in the cross-hairs) there are numerous technologies that insure a high probability of kill. As examples of “ballistic” missiles I am thinking of an F-14 firing a Phoenix or an MLRS.

Keep thinking of ways we can make the San Antonio-class LPD more lethal. It is more about being smarter than the other guy when it comes to first contact. After that it devolves into a propaganda campaign. Ask the Israelis about Lebanon.

Gates needs to get off the stage. Cut the bureaucracy and redundant organizations, but not programs designed to replace aging equipment. Not the overall size or capability of our forces. We should put the F-22 program he shut down back into production, we should have a firm plan for the Army’s future tanks and ground vehicles, we should be able to maintain a 300 ship Navy while implementing new technology.

Every time there is “budget” crisis with in this country, the cry goes out to cut the defense department. From the Army to the Navy, we cut,cut,slash,slash, all to no avail while we hire more and more civilian contractors to fill forces structures that we cut in the first place. We cut weapons systems so far back,that in the end we always build more to replace the ones we cut. We close bases needlessly while we keep open those we do not really need. Cutting carrier battle groups is only part of the symptom. The disease is spread by too many civilians involved with military affairs. Too many politicians who want to look out after their own skin. Too many generals who do the same. If America really wants to save money, keep the politicians out of military affairs.

I dont think the question is whether folks are displeased with Gates positions and he then defends himself by referring to opponents in disparging terms, the reality is that he has no strategy for keeping the US a global power. When he quoted Mahan in the Navy League speech and he claimed that he would role over in his grave, that would be true but not for the reason cited. Mahan understood the global significance of having a navy; Gates does not; and when we can not even fund a USCG to deal with oil slicks, one has to ask why we are pouring the national treasure into Gates Folly otherwise known as Afghanistan. Mr Gates pleas articulate a strategy and not just give us your list of biases. And while we are at it, Gates record at forecasting at SOVA was not stunning when he could not believe that the USSR was going to collapse nor did he support the German reunifcation process. The point really is not about Gates; it is more profound — what is the military capability we will have by 2020 to shape our global policies?

Airborne.…The Cold War is over, we can do without the EU/NATO free-riding on our military infrastructure.

Well said.…..now we’ll see if we can kill the parasites without killing the patient.…

The Japanese are already moving that direction its seems. Check this out–

Inside Japan’s Carrier-Like Destroyer Program http://​www​.warisboring​.com/​?​p​=​5​1​6​5​&​a​m​p​;​u​t​m​_​s​o​u​rce…

Let’s start with firing (and I don’t mean retiring) every other general and admiral. That includes any staff. If half the make-work goes away, the savings rippling down that chain will enable us to buy back the F-22’s the Air Force really needs. Plus, you don’t win wars with UAVs. The Air Force itself is suffering from lack of an ability to articulate — free of internal Pentagon politics — what it really needs.

Just a few comments on the latest speech from Mr. Gates:

1. When referring to the 3200 combat aircraft currently in our inventory, how many of those are more then 10 years old? How many are more then 15 years old? And how many are even older then that? Is he including our tanker fleet which is flying 40+ year old aircraft?
2. In reference to the comment about having 20 times the stealth aircraft of China in 2020, he neatly sidesteps the Russian PAK-FA and the 400+ that are scheduled to be built. And what about the advanced 4 and 4.5 generation fighters that China is quietly building?
3. He makes the statement to the Navy that they need to curtail their expensive ship building and spend more money funding “unmanned systems”. And yet it remains unproven that any of the drone based systems he is talking about will even work outside the permissive environments that we enjoy over Iraq and Afghanistan.

This is more of the same disinformation that was spewed when Gates and his minions were busy killing the F-22. Can Gates be trusted not to kill critical systems and capabilities that might be needed for the future?

As for Gates demanding we provide “context” in our weapons requirements and purchases, maybe he should ask his boss first what the military needs of the USA are. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure every year or two the president is supposed to state in writing what our strategic wants and needs are. Once we have that, then the military should be designed to meets those wants and needs. Gates shouldn’t be asking the Navy whether or not we need 11 carriers — he should be asking Obama. If the president wants us to be able to militarily touch every surface of the earth, then we should be resourced for it. If he wants to reduce us to being involved only in specific regions, then that’s the game we’ll have to play.

Cruise missles cannot take out a carrier it would take dozens unless it was nuclear tipped, and a ballistic missile cannot hit a moving target and if someone launched one that would (should) give us the go to use ours against thier soil. This is the problem with non military folks gwetting involved in military matters. We are already way below the cold war inventory on everything, Used to have 41 SSBN’s and over a hundred SSN’s when I first enlisted in 1980, we are less than a quarter of that now days. We used to have Corsairs, Intruders, F-4’s, F14’s, F18’s air wings on carriers, what do we have now, The number of our assault ships and landing ships are all but gone, we had numerous frigates, destroyers, cruisers, minesweepers that have deminished greatly. We really cant afford to cut down too much more of the NAVY and still maintain the sea lanes,but they do need to buy smarter, The San ANtonio class LPD is already capable of being a littoral mother ship that can do more than the actual LSC design so scratch the LSC and continue the San Antonios and use them to deploy SWCC and attack helos rather than just LCAC’s.

We should do whatever contractor sponsored “think tanks” think is needed.….…..

WTF? Are you some kind of talking point robot or sheep? Have you paid ANY attention to the debates on these subjects or read Sec. Gates speeches? 5 will get you 10 the answer to the last two questions is an emphatic no…

This is nothing more than Jimmy Carter 2.0. Cut the military to pay for social programs just like he did and looked what happened, double digit unemployment, inflation and interest rates. But with Obama we will also have socialized medical care and will look more like europe than the USA. I am sorry but I and million others that defended this country do not wants to see the USA turned into a European Socialist Country.

Disinformation? Sounds like what you’re doing. There isn’t a fact you disputed, except to ask questions which don’t disprove his point, or point to things which haven’t occured.

As for the F-22, we have over 180.…..stop whining already.

Are you even responding to the right bloody person? I didn’t ask questions, I made a point.

What are you trying to ask me? Or are you convinced we can keep flying the same 30 year old fighters for another 20 years?

180 isn’t enough to provide the backbone of our air-superiority force for two decades. And his comments range concerns on what needs to be addressed.

We once had 15 carrier battle groups, plus four battle groups centered around the modernized Iowa class. Don’t tell me we can’t afford 11 or 12 CBGs.

Notwithstanding the merits of Secretary Gates’ concerns, if he is so intent on putting Congress, defense companies, and “powerful people” on notice (as reported elsewhere), how does one explain the Pentagon’s almost obsequious efforts to keep EADS in the tanker competition? Will they really offer up huge cuts in the U.S. defense industrial infrastructure in favor of job growth in Toulouse?

Though I agree with how it is stupid that non-military people are cutting the military to create their pointless social programs, I do not agree with the health care comment (Above all, thank you for your service). Privatized healthcare isn’t really a staple part of American society. I don’t identify with private health care, and I don’t think we should identify social healthcare with those commie bloodsuckers over in Europe. (They criticized us for our economy and the bailouts, and now they’re changing Greece’s diaper)

I think our biggest part part of the problem here is non-military folks making decision for the military. People in THE military know whats best for THE Military. At least better than some self-righteous politician.

Also, don’t forget we can save a few pennies by making Tricare more expensive for the military members to help pay for illegal immigrant universal healthcare and for folks who have never worked a day in their life.

You do realize the military serves the nation, and the nation is run by civilians? Having the military firmly under the control of civilian government is the small price we pay to not have military coups every few years like other parts of the world.

Health care now costs the DoD $50 billion a year. That’s about 10% of its budget. Microscopic increases to Tricare would probably do some good; however, the DoD tried between 2004 and 2007 to make up the budget problem in one swing of a club and Congress repeatedly shot it down.

The sound of whining is the tiny little hollow sound emanating from the vacuum between your ears.…

Damn the ever higher spiraling acquisition costs, full speed ahead! So what if we can’t afford to fly or lose any F22s or FCS or EFVs. The important thing is to trust the military-industrial complex and feed it more.

Even that would be better than letting the military stagnate and get ground down to nothing for the sake of trillion dollar entitlements and bailouts.

All of the things I mentioned are possible and in our best interests.

If I would be Ike, I would say today: Listen to Iker!!! :-) Bring the kid back home! Hehe, well now seriously I would say: I proposed what I proposed at that time because it was the right thing to do at that time…”

Folks:
Today, conditions are different and variables for threat scenarios studies have shifted. I would not by a second, recommend today what was recommended then. We have learned today that governmental-economical-political convenient involvement today is the crane of asymmetric warfare. US$ 27,000.00 OF CONSULTANCY PENDING TO BILL TO PENTAGON BY ME. The solution is, to establish long term non expiratory, non negotiable bi-national government agreement. Where we sell to strategically important countries our way of life, laws lawmaking, ruling, and financing as we receive what is convenient for us and settle centenarian organizations to foster tech-transferring accountability via KPI, over raw materials or other inputs to US. The point is that we can still make convenient agreements and gain more spaces with strategically interesting countries.

CONVENIENT INFLUENCE IN THE LONG RUN DEGENERATES IN TERRORISM and the disadvantage is that the enemy knows our loopholes as they know our patterns.

We know now what we did not know then, that news and network are the strongest weapon today because it controls masses. We also know that the only way to surpass media is by strategic coalition and deep social-cultural long term root influencing the living of our allies.

Well, some how I agree with Gate’s POV. We cannot continue investing nor overspending in military technology that does not addresses the threat scenarios today. The weaponry developed today by the US is only worth it if we have Plan McArthur in place or for symmetric warfare.

The BAD BAD BAD NEWS is that neither THE PENTAGON, nor THE WHITE HOUSE are doing anything correct regarding current threats and operations theaters. Here is this punch of people stealing half handled information by experts in asymmetric warfare and trying to project it alone when they have no clue of what is going on. While the real experts are left outside of the process.

My point stands, there is nothing (not even IT spying) that can prevent current asymmetric scenarios. Simple, developers and architects are not fast enough to put themselves in the shoes of the enemy. ONLY TODAY’S EXPERTS ARE CAPABLE OR DELIVERING SUCH INTELLIGENCE.

You cant focus on one type of warfare, yeah at the moment we are in a counterinsurgency mode — but before that that it was good old fashioned shock and awe that overwhelmed them and got us a foot hold. It was all the ships and transport planes that got our guys and gear in theater, it was missles from those ships hitting targets, it was mass movement of our guys on the ground and in the air that took the cities. They are looking in the wrong direction — move away from the drones and future tech and focus on the here and now that we can employ, or build tomarrow and know it will work.

I think this president and his entitlement program has put DoDs back to the wall faster than anticipated. I’ve heard for several years from senior officers while serving in the Pentagon that our equipment accounts and recapitalization plans were not sustainable. Now the decision has to be what part of the national strategy are we no longer going to do? Protect the sea lanes? better keep that. Provide an umbrella to Europe? maybe not. With few resources left — we have to learn as a nation when to just say no.

Level out the taxes, cut back on the military spending and pay the bills with the money you have. This was the Late President Eisenhauer’s policy. We flurished in the land until the beginning of the Viet Nam War. Also, he said, “Beware of the Corporate Military Structure”.

A Sociaiost Country (USA) appears on the horizon, and it is a well known fact! Cuts everywherfe except for the Welfare Recepients, and the “Chicago Group”. We are now witnessing the joiner crowd, where we used to have the doer crowds???????

Steve, Retired

The Great One from Kenya…that Great Muslim Leader of the US…will protect us using his Will Power. This is why He is known as “The One”.

i watched as the military got smaller and being deployed more .if they cut more troops and equiptment .what will the troop rotation be then..

I am a proud BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN!!!!!!! I’m thinking how to say how I feel in a way JESUS would be happy with me!

Gates is doing what ever he WANTS too & not what we NEED TO DO! What President Reagan did was & said we wont be attacked because our military speaks for itself! Not only are we going to go bankrupt as a country like Greece (if we continue this out of control spending), later on when we NEED OUR MILITARY, we WILL NOT have any money to build what we need & probably wont be able to produce what we need in time when we need it! Gates is going to make more of our BRAVE MEN & WEMON HERO’S die because we don’t have the assets they NEED!!!!!!!

I’m a United States Air Force DISABLED VETERAN OF THE THE IRAQI FREEDOM WAR & even though I’m 100% disabled IU (Individual unemployability) which means I can’t work, if I could look into the future & know what was GOING to happen to me, I WOULDN’T CHANGE A THING SERVING THE GREAT COUNTRY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!!! Eventually the world will see how bad our HLS & Military has become, I would bet some radical religious country will HAVE in mind & will probably think about actually attacking us! Now, we will win, but the whole point is OUR reputation will be that the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is vulnerable!

It all goes back that I have stated many, many, many times ago, this country has taken Jesus Christ out of this country!!!!!!! Don’t think I believe that ALL other religions should go because this is a free will issue & that’s why JESUS gave ALL of us FREE WILL!!!!!!!

We are going back to the post WWI era of the war to end all wars. We were not prepared to enter WWI nor WWII. We were not prepared for Korea. No we find ourselves in a situation were fewer troops are pulling many rotations into combat areas. During the Eisenhower era the U.S. WAS a global power. I fear that the U.S. position as a global power is quickly waning. Will power and playing nice in an international community is not going to protect us from our enemies. Eisenhower understood T. Roosevelts position: Walk Softly But Carry A Big Stick. Today the U.S. is walking softly in many areas but the stick gets smaller and smaller.

I believe it was Alexander Hamilton who said “The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance.” That “eternal vigilance” means that we must have the means to not only defend ourselves, but our friends as well, and by having the means, I mean that we MUST have the personnel and the weapons and equipment with which to do the job. The Navy and the Coast Guard each have different but at the same time similar missions, with that of the Navy being the projectionof power far from our shores, and the Coast Guard of doing what their name implies: guarding our coasts, and this means they must stop playing second fiddle to the Navy. They need to grow from around 45,000 personnel to at least twice that number. This is a service which has been chronically overstretched and undermanned, and that needs to change. The Marine Corps has become a second land army, and that must stop. The Army and Air Force’s missions must continue as they are. America’s overseas committments need to be reevaluated, and cuts must be made where needed, with our allies shouldering more of the burden.

25 years ago I was developing electronic countermeasure systems that protect us aircraft and ships from missile attack. During these 25 years not a single aircraft was lost that had my system installed. I was blacklisted, lifetime ban on employment because I refused to sign off defective material, thereby saving lives and ordinance worth billions. Isenhower’s military industrial complex is all about making money, little to do with defending this country. I got it all wrong, thought it was about equiping our young people with life saving equipment, sorry, my mistake.

C’mon..Carter increased defense spending by 20 billion…perhaps you are thinking of the 200 billion in cuts during the Nixon-Ford years… The tough economy in those years was partly due to rising oil prices and paying off the VietNam war and Johnson’s failed social policy with real money…the US wasn’t running trillion dollar deficits in those days. Deficit spending to fake an economy was a tactic introduced by Reagan and followed by every administration since…As long as the Chinese and Saudi’s are willing to keep buying our bonds and funding our deficits then I guess we are ok spending money we don’t have on an overly bloated defense establishment conducting missions we as Americans really have no national interest in…

Close Naples if they really want to save money.

I think that Secretary Gates is right on the mark. We can’t afford to continue to spend as we have been spending. This goes for Defense spending as well as domestic.

We can complain about Gates’s reductions, but I think they are justified. When I worked for MITRE (not any more) I spent almost two years as a Trusted Agent providing systems engineering support to the Joint Staff for the JCIDS acquisition system.

I was astounded by how little critical thought went into each acquisition. Neither “capability gaps” nor the descriptions of systems to meet them ever had anything quantifiable. Services would discover a gap at the same time as they proposed a system to fill it. Systems engineering “reviews” of ICDs and CCDs were expected in weeks even for the most complex systems. The documents were horribly written. Their results were boiled down to half-a-dozen stoplight charts; then a non-quantifiable “Poor” would be “averaged” with a non-quantifiable “Excellent” to yield a non-quantifiable “Good.” We might as well have sprinkled the Functional Capability Boards with pixie dust and asked them to twinkle their way to a decision.

So, Bravo Secretary Gates. You’ve made a good start, but you have a long way to go.

(Disclaimer: I no longer work for MITRE. My opinions are mine alone and should not be construed as representing MITRE or any of MITRE’s current or former employees. They don’t represent those of my (unnamed) current employer either.)

Obama is making it so we cannot have the economy or nuclear arms to defend ourselves and now Gates is neutering our military so it cannot defend us. Gates is just as dangerous in his thinking to our nation as Obama is.

Do we need to change our military? Listening to most of you genuises we don’t need carriers, don’t need nukes (Obama the brain thinks when we give up nukes — the bad guys’ll give up theirs), we won’t need subs because we won’t have nukes, we won’t need ships to take soldiers anywhere because you’ve given up seapower, you won’t need planes because their missles will shoot down the planes carrying the soldiers…

How about this, just cut to the chase and give the progressives (Obama, Gates, Reid, et cetera) what they want — drop the military, get rid of it. They don’t want it to be able to defend us and most of you are blindly agreeing with them.

What’s with all the “we” stuff? I’m not spending a dime, it’s our Politicians that are spending all the money and they need to stop and relook everything. How much of our GDP is spent on Defense? Instead of risking our power in defense maybe they should cut somewhere else.

Eisenhower’s warning applies Now, more than ever! Our weapons & war spending, surpassing all other nations by far, has created unprecedented wealth for a few while ruining millions of lives here who have lost their jobs and homes. Our country has become a security state, our Bill of Rights shredded. Nonviolent protest has become perilous. 1% of our population in jail for nonviolent crimes, is threatened or victimized by rape, torture, even murder. A global corporate plutocracy turns people into disposable commodities, into cannon fodder committing massacres. But none in this forum has commented on the dire threat to all humankind, to the accelerating extinction of countless species human life depends on, which depleting and poisoning natural resources by just making weapons of war, let alone using them, greatly contributes to.

Oh for crying out loud, it seems that a lot of people still do not get it. Americans really need to pull their heads out of their rears and wake the hell up. Ok Gates, we can start with you. Yes we CAN afford to rebuild our military, so if you really want to save money, here’s a novel idea: first of all, bring home ALL of our troops from Europe, Korea, Japan, Iraq, and Afganistan, now. They can use their troops to defend their countries and we can help with Air and Sea. Look, we have been holding the hands of Iraq and Afganistan for a long time now, if they can’t take care of themselves by now, they never will.

By the way, if we were to pull out, after we are gone, we set off our biggest NUKE out in the middle of the Afgan Desert at night so they all can see it, then we tell them that if they EVER screw with us again, we will turn the entire region into glass. Bring our people home and line them up along the Mexican border. Take that savings and use it to rebuild our equipment, yes we need new equipment. I can tell all of you that I work for the Air Force, most of what we have is worn out! Oh yeah, to that Knuckhead that posted earlier that we have plenty of Raptors, hell no we don’t, we should build a lot more and upgrade them while we are at it. And another thing, military spending actually creates jobs! It’s about the only manufacturing that we have left.

This is a perfect history lesson, I lived through the 70s, I especially remember the Carter years, and we are doing the EXACT same thing now. Obama is Carter on steriods! These idiots want to cut our defense spending, they want to believe that Russia and China are our friends, yet they want to increase spending on social programs and free giveaways. We’ve got all this money for welfare, bailouts, ACCORN (or they organization that will spawn off of it), politicians perks, Chicago thugs, nanny state crap, illegal aliens, etc., but we can’t afford to protect our border or defend our country. So yes the money it there, it’s just being spent on the wrong things, so Gates, if you really care about this country you would stand up and do the right thing instead of helping that Socialist idiot destroy our country.

Gates and Obama are real big on cutting Defense.….….cutting bailouts to Goldman-sachs and socialists like Greece and the rest of the EU.…not so much. If there were adults in Washington, the Military would be the last thing we cut. But hey, at least ACORN will still get ITS money!

Amen, brother! You are spot on!! Like Ronald Reagan said, “Peace through Strength”

One point I can agree with is the rank sturcture and layers of command structure. I served in an air assault troop in Vietnam in 66/67. The troop had 4 gun ships, 12 slicks and 2 scouts. It was commanded by a maj. In 89 I served in an attack battalion that had 6 gun ships 4 slicks (2 serving as C&C) and 3 scouts. It was commanded by a col. Thr battalion had 3 attack companies, a headquarters company and a service company, each commanded by a Maj. The entire battalion would have been smaller than the troop in VN except for the number and rank of officers.
In todays’ military, units are dependant upon ‘support’ companies to provide services and support that were organic to every company in the past, such as food service and maintenance. The purpose, to provide positions of rank to promote officers and senior NCO into..

The military does need to e-organize to enhence efficiency and reduce costs. reducing the ratio of combat troops to support troops by employing civilian contractors is not cost effective, nor does it enhence effectiveness. It only looks good on paper. The ratio of field and general grade officers to strength levels is the highest it has ever been. Cut the fat off the top and require units to be self supporting, the way they used to be.

As for equipment; we have wasted more dollars on dropped programs over the last 10 years to what purpose? To fund R&D for civilian contractors. The commanche scout/lt assault air craft, the 5.56/20mm assual rifle as well as the F22 and tanker aircraft. All near completion and in troop, service field testing dropped after many million of dollar spent. yet the DOD can not decide on a general issue weapon or combat uniform. There is something wrong in the DOD procurment structure. Could it be lobbists, maybe?

Most everyone understands the US must cut all the wasteful spending. The cut must begin at the White House and DOD. The most simple thing to start with is to declare a moratorium on all new furniture purchases. The next simple thing is to simply cut in half all marketing and advertising funds provided all government agencies.

The founding fathers were pretty clear on their views that there should be a separation of church and state.

Simple — No troops, No USA.….. cut the top, bring more to the bottom and get rid of all the BS red tape

too true — well said!!

Seriously? Obama is talking about cutting nukes that we’re supposed to be cut under existing treaty obligations and are at the end of their shelf-life anyway. How many nukes do you think we need? And would you rather spend that kind of money on a massive stockpile of nukes or on healthcare for your family?

Defense spending is out of control, we spent more for less capability then at any other time in history. I’ve worked in defense my whole career and I’ve never seen the level of corruption that we saw under Bush. Massive no-bid contracts awarded to friends of the ruling class, with very little money filtering down to the actual programs. Its time to change this up, its pretty clear to me, and anyone who works in the defense sector, we can easily cut budgets and deliver the same capability by cutting the red-tape and corruption by overhauling the procurement process.

So cut this ‘Obama is a liberal socialist’ crap and stop the stupid statements like “They don’t want it to be able to defend us”, lets get politics back in the hands of grownups and lets move forward.

GATES IS OUT OF HIS MIND.

Secretary Gates is a decent man!
Very honorable are his words: “It is not a great mystery what needs to change: political will and willingness“
Correct: we need no more studies, nor legislation! Lots of blood will be spared in America and elsewhere.

As to us, Muslims, we will no be anymore the enemy and the 5th column we have become, mostly in Europe where jobs are very scarce and scapegoating very practical for elites which indeed also need Political Will instead of beating around the bush.

Thinking of “if you don’t hurt us, we wont hurt you” does not work and is simply ridiculous thinking. Carter tried that route.

Right up until the actual 2003 war in iraq, the regular army was still training “tactical” warfare in the back40 (woods)..

During 2003 Iraq war, nsn plates on most m998’s/M1025 (HMMWV or Humvee), pre-dated the original1991 gulf-war (85–88). Most of the regular army’s “gun trucks“M1025/1045 HMMWV’s” were “light skinned” (no armor) set up with .50 cal, MK19, or tow1-2 to go up against enemy armor (tanks).

Have neighbors that are pilots with various aircraft still in use with many concerns regarding their airframes.

Don’t be miss guided in what I’m trying to say here, there have been excellent advancement in todays equipment since 1991–2003. And thank God the funding was there! You didn’t have to be “for or against” the Iraq war to understand that our Nation needs to be at its peek to military equipment and training in todays “REAL WORLD THREATS”. We see it all the time, and most of the time, as civilians, we don’t see it at all.

I personally did not like the way our government was spending and putting in their own pockets, *cough* KBR DICK! Tax payers were paying almost $100. per pillow case of laundry soldiers were “forced” by their chain of command to bring them and have cleaned, only to be returned to the soldier dirtier than before KBR “cleaned” it… go back after these individuals and hold them accountable. But for the Men and Women wearing uniforms, They need the best. and I would rather be paying for the high-tech equipment and training than for a newly paved road “so people can get to work”

But for now we need to look at what are known to be threats to our Nation and cat accordingly. In my opinion there is no option to “stand down”

Maybe Gates can start by paring back on the six — yes, count ‘em — six generals who make up the Army G-8 and put together their recently released 2010 Army Modernization Strategy, where they admit that they are only equipping some units to the 80 and 90% level — this is not the tradition ALO equipment readiness levels, it means that they are robbing from Peter to pay Paul to keep units in theater operationally ready. The poor fellows just salute the flag with an entire section titled ‘Procure Uprgaded Capabilities,
Recapitalization and Divest Existing Equipments.” It is the darnedest thing I ever read. M109 modernization — yet again. Current force vehicles stretched out until doomsday. Who on earth thinks that replacing the Bradley is and ought to be the Army’s one, main and only ground vehicle modernization program ? They even keep the Stryker when the ICV gets fielded. Gates should look for the Pentagon’s problems in increasingly larger circles around his own desk.

Let’s face it. Gates is a spook, and he squints at each and every problem through a spook’s perspective. When it comes to Full Spectrum Operations, he’s out of his league. When he talks about there being no distinction between conventional and irregular warfare, what he really means is fund Special Ops to the max, and cut back everything else. If we keep going this way, we’ll be innocent bystanders to Full Spectrum Ops all over the Eurasian landmass — and the neighboring oceans. Gates is probably right in that we need to get Special Ops more integrated with the rest of the force structure — but that is far from saying that Special Ops are all that matter. Yes — the fleet in being still counts. Deterrence matters. So does force projection, as we keep learning again and again and again. If our allies cannot rely on us, they will look elsewhere for the support they need.

Seems the Japanese are more scared of Somili pirates than China. So, now they building their first overseas military base since WW2 in Dijbouti. Since they can afford to protect their economic interests, I say let them defend themselves from North Korea and China and bring our Airmen, Soldiers, Sailors and Marines home from Japan. Don’t bother to send them to Okinawa. Send them straight home!

Thank You, Ed. You did what every man needs to do. Too bad our generals and admirals can stiffen up and fire some contractors. But, then again, they are just prepping for a job after retirement.

We will have our heads handed to us in the NEXT war for which we will not be prepared. Gates has the right idea. A new way of thinking will not follow. Our focus on the here and now will leave us short. We may not have the manufacturing depth that bailed us out before.

We needto remove ourselves from Europe, Japan, Korea, and start the process the curtailing of our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. WW II ended 65 years ago and the Korean conflict 57 years ago. The countries in Europe, Japan and Korea have the capability of taking care of themselves without the help of the USA. With respect to Iraq and Afghanistan, these countries are also bleeding us dry. They also need to start taking care of themselves. We have a fully funded State Department that should be handling foreign affairs. They need to start doing their jobs instead of relying on the military to do it for them. The billions of dollars that could be saved by telling foreign countries take care of themselves would go a long way to reduce our debtedness

It is a shame to see our forward thinking Future Combat Systems being reduced to minimal capacity. If Gates and our Country would look at the most domestic job creating & benefitting programs ever it is Large Air Transports! Now more than ever we need our Blended Wing Body & Supersonic Transport because it returns a 7 to 1 taxable dollars, also evolves the Number 1 export and high paying jobs in the World!

Just as nature abours a vacuum, organizations thirsts for growth. It is necessary every twenty years or so to evaluate, are we really what we need to be? Inspector Generals inspecification often find we are doing business as “usual” when we are supposed to be doing “as directed”. Organizations need direction, mission, metrics, and that most difficult of all to achieve, ability to adapt. Previous comments reveal shortcomings. Yes, guns versus butter basic economics certainly are hurting the defense side as progressive politics push toward wealth redistabution. Plus open borders mean invasion will not be difficult. The only hope. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE (read my lips).

Sorry but the civilians dont stop the military from coups, it is thier love of our country and oath to defend it.

I wonder what Gates would think if we were nuked and the SSBM’s were so few that we would not be able to respond sufficiently?

Garry, I agree with you. The smaller our military gets, the more the Muslims will think they can defeat us and will use more and more means to do so.

After what this administration has done to our budget and national debt, they now claim fiscal responsibility??? What a joke!!!

Well, the MITRE dude is correct in his acquisition descriptions and the process overall is pathetic. It also shows that all the Trusted Support isn’t worth a damn either mostly because no one ever voices their objections for fear of being cut, pay reduction, whatever. Having said that his solution is no better than Gates’ because they haven’t proposed anything. No ‘this is how to correct’ for ‘the first step should be.’ Just criticism. Hardly the road less traveled. That’s not unusual for a MITRE employee input. Read Chuck Hitch’s book written in 1960.

I’m former MITRE employee. Actually I did suggest several changes, but it was easier for the Government to ask that I be moved to another assignment than to seriously consider them.

I think the best change to the JCIDS system (other than starting fresh) would be for the Joint Staff to critically review each of the “capability gaps” that form the basis for building a new system. I never saw the Functional Capability Board I supported question a single capability gap. The gaps were always accepted as proposed, then systems were approved to fill them. I believe that the services and their supporting contractors often designed systems they liked and then went hunting for gaps they could fill. Sometimes two Services would propose almost identical systems with only the tiniest difference in the capability gaps they were to fill, but the gaps were oh-so-slightly-different and so both would be approved.

My tenure with the Joint Staff finally ended when I refused to perform a systems engineering evaluation on a system I wasn’t cleared to see. The Colonel I supported told me to base my analysis on interviews with people who were cleared to see it, none of whom were engineers. I said “no.” When the Colonel went ballistic, I told her that my job was not to support her, but rather to support the DOD by giving the best professional engineering evaluation I could on every system I was asked to review. I said that if I could not personally review a system’s data, then I would not attempt evaluate it. I explained that simple engineering ethics required that I have personal knowledge of the work for which I vouched.

A few weeks later I had to find new work because someone in the Government (the Colonel?) had requested I be removed from supporting the Joint Staff..

I think these incidents are symptoms of a deeper problem: people are not encouraged to think for themselves. Colonels, Captains, Generals, and Admirals — and even Secretaries of Defense — can be wrong. (Rumsfeld set a record.) But it’s easier to go with the program — “drink the Koolaid” — than to object, even when objecting is the absolute best thing to do. During one ACTD evaluation cycle, I remember sitting through a brief on one proposal that made absolutely no sense. When I questioned it, I got back some long string of blather containing the words “network centric”, “self-synchronizing”, “Metcalf’s Law”, and “transformational.” As near as I could tell, the blather made no more sense than the rest of the proposal, but all the Staff Officers were smiling and nodding their heads. They may not have known what the system was supposed to do and why it would almost certainly fail, but the did know the risk of not being “Transformational” in Rumsfeld’s Department of Defense. These were excellent officers, hard workers, true leaders, and experts in their missions, but they didn’t dare take the slightest chance of being “unTransformational.”

Our military officers and DOD Civilians are the best in the world. They have the expertise, education, and experience to make good decisions, especially if they can call upon technical support they can trust when they need it. We need to let them think for themselves and do their jobs — even if they make mistakes. They don’t need 30 layers of supervision, or even 17. Let them use their professional judgment to make the hard choices about which Secretary Gates has been talking and that our deficits will force us to make.

I know many of them, and I trust them to do the right thing.

Pennst98 has hit the nail squarely on the head. Well said!

Poor Sec Gates– he sees the truth, he knows what to do, and he had the guts to say what needs to be said.

He’ll probably be fired next week.….

I have a grandaughter who shortly will be deployed to Afghanistan and it scares me to death that we are sending our young people into harms way with little thought of providing them with the tools to do the job. If we are going to continue to downsize our military then we need to think about downsizing our commitment to so many places in the world. I’m all for helping our friends and allys but lets give our folks the equipment to carry out the mission.

ED, you’re totally right. it’s called “PENTAGON WARS” you have got to see this movie again, or if you never have. based on a true story just like yours. 20 years in the military and ran into it constantly. maybe they should make all the top brass do the same as the peons. so much training each year, same fitness levels, same fat to body weight measures. not just a call to the doctor to fill in their paperwork while they’re at the golf course. and if they want to cut troop levels, we can rotate them to the war zones just like the kids they send there . shove a gun in their hands, and they’d shit their pants. but then i guess we’d have to build a golf course where ever we sent them. but that may get their thoughts straight on what our troops in the field really need. i’ll go now , i’m pulling out the “penagon wars” movie and watch it again. right now i need the laugh.

Defense spending is out of control? Defense has been underfunded since the 1990s! Clear out the red tape and corruption, but at least keep the amount allocated to procurement the same if not greater. We also can’t let “house cleaning” result in less capable and poorer quality equipment. We still need more F-22s, something like the F-35, and other modern gear, regardless of their program’s history.

The problem isn’t the equipment itself, it is the red tape, bureaucracy, corruption, and etc. Don’t leave the soldier with inferior and outdated systems. Stop canceling programs 90% complete because some official has a better idea of how to fill that role. Lets specify what we need first based on what we had in the past and future threats, and then look to cutting the waste.

For example. The F-22A is very good at it’s role and I am sure the USAF would love more of them. Yes the program has run into many problems over the years, but those don’t justify starting at square one again. Just ensure that we aren’t wasting money because somebody paid $5000 for a wrench that should have cost $2.

“…America’s military possesses more than 3,200 tactical combat aircraft of all kinds…”

That’s a good one. In that inventory how many of those aircraft are FMC? I couldn’t guess, but I would think it is a low figure. The fact that it is “of all kinds” means it include aged P3 Neptunes and F-14s as well as the more modern planes. Killing the development and production of advance fighting systems is a move that is tailor made by an ENEMY of the USA.

Gates and Obama… Sheesh, what a pair of Manchurians.

That’s the obvious outcome here. You managed to save $200 billion out of a $1.4 trillion deficit because you think there is a peacve dividend to be plucked, and you are too cowardly to tell the truth and admit that the baby boomers all need to keep workin until they are 70. Force presence goes away…deployability has been cut, strike is downsized, force structure is gone, and you have no wonder weapons in the pipeline this time to fill the gaps. You’ve laid off nearly half of your highly experienced and highly trained professional armed forces, and you have to build back up — fast. (You hope some of ‘em stayed in the reserves, but by that time, they have other things to do with their lives, and our competitive economy does not allow for half time commitment). So when push comes to shove, the usual suspects point out that it is too risky to get involved — this time because it really is, and they’ve been working for this day all along. And events will take their course. Look at what happened in Georgia. Just a foretaste of things to come. Pretty soon it is 1940 all over again. This time with nukes.

One could only hope…he ought to put a coin in the jar every time he uses the words “cold war” in one of his speeches.

I didn’t know that DoD Buzz could support a message that long…look, when JCIDS came out it was supposed to build capabilities based on an overarching architecture, and it was supposed to put analysis at the front end of the requirements process. It was not a bad concept, and if it was executed wrong, who was to blame — Andy Marshall ? There was always the danger that it would devolve to a box of goodies, true enough. On the army side, we had been doing force modernization very systematically for over twenty years, and I think we were pretty good at it. We also were out front of all the other services when Freddy Brown wrote “Landpower in the Information Age” and Odum wrote his book on RMA. Then outsiders came in and told us all we were doing this all wong, we needed help. Now you have people like John Hamre and Loren Thompson, the inside-the-beltway crowd looking at the transformation trainwreck, but no one has called out the kamikazee think tanks who are continuing to exacerbate the chaos

—it is as broke as when McNamara was running things at the Pentagon. We had chiefs like Zumwalt and Creighton Abrams put the force back together. And that is what we need now. Goldwater-Nichols drained the spine out of the services, and made the CINCs rule. But CINCs don’t get paid to think about the future. You fix this by giving the services a mission and a budget, king them live within those constraints — and LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.

You know, I was reading Bodansky over the weekend, and one of the things the guy claims is that the US was prepositioning equipment in Israel as early as the fall of 2002. I’ve not read the whole book, but does imply that the US had certainly not gotten on top of the strategic mobility problem in the runup to OIF. Bodansky also details special ops during this same period, in conjunction with covert airstrikes. Interesting stuff, and certainly a good bit of hairy. My view on this is the sll the shtuff about “hybrid war” is really literally refighting the last war — OIF. Rumsfeld-era transformation was an attempt to deal with the issues that came out of OIF and Desert Storm head-on. Now we’re done — extra crispy, in fact. If folks just want to stick their heads in the sand, that is one option. But one does pay for making that choice.

Ralph — You reveiled your Glen Beck nose ring when you used the word progressive. Gates is on the right track. Eisenhower was wise when wanting to pull the reins in on the standing military. Ralph I don’t know if you served in the military or not … but if you ever saw how the generals are treated you would throw up! Why do you think generals stay in as long as they can? They are royalty. They get treated better than senators. There are a lot of cuts to be made in the military machine without affecting security.

Having also been in the EW field in the time frame you mention — -
There were numerous examples of defective items and a reluctance to remedy the situations.
Defective EW aircraft antennas (Field tests did not really properly check proper operation, and the AF no longer maintained the required test capability)
Brand new EW “Black Boxes” direct from the Mfr. requiring numerous extensive/expensive repairs costing over $10,000.
A tail warning system that never worked properly, despite decades of research and modification
Defective parts being accepted because there was no alternate source. This eventually resulted in the (badly needed) redesign and replacement of the whole “black box” that used the parts at $100,000 a crack. Admittedly, the EPA had some involvement, in that the parts had to be changed to meet EPA “requirements”. The direct failure cause turned out to be a plain old defect in the manufacturing process.
Antennas “falling off” aircraft, due to vibration and “metal fatigue”. Since the aircraft tails also started falling off as well, this one was an actual aircraft design fault.
Needed Modifications not made due to funding in the wrong category. (Software funded, Hardware changes driven by software changes not funded)
No longer manufactured parts/sub-assemblies in the supply spares system being thrown out, due to the cost of maintaining them, even though the systems using the parts were still in service, and scheduled to remain so for at least a decade. (AF wanted to reduce warehouse space) (Again peacetime consumption rates vs. actual use consumption rates were the basis.)

What it boiled down to was that EW in general was out of the limelight, due to the change from the “cold war” scenarios to the types of conflicts we are currently embroiled in.

The sad part is that should we get involved in a war against an opponent that has “modern” equipment supplied in quantity by sources such as China or Russia, total lack or shortage of effective EW equipment will result in loss rates that are higher than they need to be, and just might exceed “politically acceptable” levels, and significant replacement costs and time.
In addition, such rates result in loss of aircraft and other assets that are difficult to replace in needed time frames.

Another screwball practice that was applied to EW systems was the result of using peacetime training failure rates instead of those rates known to be the results of actual use. Remember that many of the EW systems can only be put into full operation in very restricted circumstances. (Test ranges, etc in peacetime, or in a wartime theater of operations.

What can happen when you turn an EW system from standby or “peacetime” modes to full operation?

I remember two instances that demonstrate what happens when a EW system is inadvertently switched to full operation at an inappropriate time or location.

One case, quite a few years ago, (70’s) did a wee hours number on microwave communication links in part of Florida.

The other instance shut down a helipad landing system that belonged to the crowned head of a friendly European foreign country.

We cut our blue-water forces because we no longer have an equal-sized enemy. The closest is China, a trading partner which is years behind us in development and construction. Our opponents are small forces, who prefer to fight on coastlines and in semi-populated areas rather than in the ocean and on flat expanses of battlefield. The cold war is over; times have changed, and so must our military.

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