Gates, Hill Should Change Benefits

Gates, Hill Should Change Benefits

We need to cut weapons spending, trim the bloated ranks of the military bureaucracy and reign in runaway pay and benefits Defense Secretary Robert Gates told the nation Saturday in his speech from the steps of the Eisenhower Library in Kansas. And that speech came a few days after Gates warned the Navy to rethink its reliance on a carrier fleet of the current size, on enormously expensive new nuclear submarnes and he urged the Marines to reexamine its amphibious mission and placed crosshairs on their Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle. So we asked Mackenzie Eaglen of the Heritage Foundation what Congress needs to do and whether Gates is on the right path or is veering off course. Read on to find her answers.

Secretary of Defense Robert Gates has called for more spending cuts to keep the defense budget flat for the future. But these cuts will not eliminate the chief problem: The defense budget is projected to remain static or decline, yet the nation seems likely to keep asking the military to do more with less.

This is the primary reason defense dollars are increasingly stretched. An honest solution would be to either match defense budgets with missions or to reduce U.S. foreign policy commitments.


While Gates says there simply cannot be growth in defense budgets, the fact is that what America chooses to spend on national security remains a deliberate, political choice.

There are, however, legitimate other reasons why defense spending is constrained. These include:

  • Historical hangovers. Years of underinvestment in defense — especially during the 1990s — have had lasting effects. It hasn’t yet been possible to catch up, especially with the military at war since 2001.
  • Crowding out by domestic entitlements. Exploding domestic entitlements, health care costs, and bailouts are squeezing the defense budget. If left unchecked, their growth would eventually consume all federal tax revenues.
  • Defense entitlements pressure on modernization. Paralleling the trends in the larger federal budget, key defense spending priorities are being crowded out by escalating personnel costs, particularly health care programs and numerous permanent but unfunded deferred and in-kind benefits.
  • Decreasing economies of scale. The cost of equipment is rising faster than the overall defense budget and outpacing inflation in the wider economy. A chief cause of this problem is due to declining build rates and lost economies of scale. Other factors include the rising costs of fuel, input materials, labor, and increasingly complex systems.

While Secretary Gates outlined many internal defense budget imbalances, his remedies are inadequate — especially when compared to the great lengths he’ll go to cut weapons systems.

Real reform should funnel money back to the shrinking priority of modernization. Current military compensation is based primarily on a “one size fits all” approach: the longer you serve, the more you’ll earn. That doesn’t accurately reflect the demands of America’s youth or the fact that the vast majority of those serving won’t make the military a career. Defense officials and Congress could start by aligning military compensation with the needs of a highly-mobile 21st century workforce.

While compensation reform may require scaling back the rate of growth in future benefits, it would not cut existing benefits to anyone in uniform. In fact, the goal would be to ultimately increase cash payments to servicemembers.

Future military compensation should be shifted to provide more cash up-front, giving personnel greater mobility throughout their careers. That would also allow each servicemember to decide how best to use their benefits, thus increasing their value. DoD should also move toward a continuum of service model that allows troops to move more flexibly between the active and reserve components and between the military, private sector, and civil service.

To get started, the military should refer to the 10th Quadrennial Review of Military Compensation and establish a pilot program that provides commanders the flexibility to credit top performers (and fast promotees) with extra years of service and therefore extra pay. Pentagon officials should also consider offering an annual bonus called credential pay for those with training and skills that are in high demand by commanders regardless of rank or assignment.

Not only must compensation attract high-quality recruits, but it should provide additional performance incentives. There should be bonuses for top achievers, increased choice of assignments and deployments, additional time off, and opportunities for higher education.

Congress should also launch a pilot program to change the health care and retirement system. Instead of defined-benefit plans, the military should offer defined-contribution plans, which would allow employers — whether the government, military or private sector — to contribute.

Congress should begin reforming military health care by shifting new enlistees to a defined-contribution system that would stay with them as they move to different jobs and employers, government or private. Additionally, Congress should eliminate TriCare copayments for preventative services in order to encourage enrollees to seek out preventative care early, improve their health and reduce overall medical costs. Congress should carefully examine the impact of moving health care coverage for military dependents to the Federal Employees Health Benefits Pro­gram. Of course, some exemptions would have to be built into the system for dependents unable to receive care outside of the military due to unique circumstances.

It’s also important to change the military retirement system. It’s time to phase in a defined-contribution retirement plan where vesting begins at the tenth year of service. The Pentagon would contribute to a fund for each member, and members would then own the fund once vested. It’s similar to a civilian 401(k). Inducements could include “gate pay” (a multiple of basic pay) given to those who complete specific service milestones and “separation pay” to those who separate after they are vested at 20 years and leave the service.

The United States needs a military with the best equipment and the best people. We can have both, if lawmakers take the correct measures to fix the defense budget and the larger federal budget.

Mackenzie Eaglen is a defense analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation. She was principal defense adviser to Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), a senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee and ranking member of the Homeland Security Committee.

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The problem with empowering commanders to give special rewards to “top performers” is the “halo effect.” In the military as in civilian life, bosses tend to have a greater appreciation of those around him/her than those farther afield in the organization. On a large ship, for example, the enlisted people and junior officers closest to the captain are more likely to be recognized than, for example, an outstanding performer in the engine room, sick bay, hangar deck, or any other place where senior officers are seldom seen.

As a retired LtCol, I can speak to this with a bit of credibility — I hope. The military is top heavy and has too many officers. Reduce the rank of staff officers across the board.

As a veteran of the AF Reserve and Air National Guard, my thoughts have some credibility as well. Recently, the Director of the ANG was awarded a four star position — and it was not warranted. The chief of the Reserve should be a Major General at most, and the ANG should be merged into the Reserves. We need more tooth and less tail, fewer mahogany offices. These are a couple of moves that would redirect money from cushy offices to war fighters.

Gates aint got a clue what he is talking about and this only proves he has no bussiness in that position any longer.

Good Afternoon Folks,

A new shovel but the same old horse sh** for the Heritage Foundation. Something missing here, we are in two wars we are losing both of them. One would think that winning those wars be a priority for any defense analysis. After you have WON the war and reset your military to be ready to go again then you waste money on useless toys.

As far as paying top performers, well how do you pay the dead? How do you pay the Marine/Soldier with TBI, amputated limbs and missing eyes, spinal cord injuries, burns and others with life changing disabilities the received in Iraq or Afghanistan? These are your ” top performers”, not the REMF’s who never quite make it to the big show.

Military pay raises are a none issue, you had to provide incentives for people to go out and get killed in wars their country doesn’t want to or intend to win. It’s called you either pay the cannon fodder or you draft them, and you want to hire just good enough, certainly you don’t want to feed societies betters to the powder.

To Senator Susan Collins, get a new advisor, this guy as well as the heritage Foundation is clueless.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Two and a half wars, Bryon. You forgot the “undeclared war by UAV proxy” in western Paskistan.

Another good indication that Byron has his mind made up and words already saved — as an answer for any defense question. If he had actually read the piece he would have noticed, one assumes, that Mackenzie is a woman. So “this guy” is a gal.

With the size of the military, and considering the cost of a person — joining until death — changing health care benefits will have a larger effect than the purchase of a new weapon system.

The proposals that Ms (not Mr!!) Eaglen makes are interesting but politically untenable.

The ideas that Byron froths about are uninteresting. Does he seriously think that only injured military members are “the best performers” — or were they just the slowest to duck? My brother, LtCol, USA, in Afghanistan is a pretty good performer but he has only picked up some minor shrapnel so far — he is pretty fast. Hopefully our standard for performance will not become the percentage disabled.

Good Afternoon CharlesHouston,

Yes I do think that injured troopers are the “best performers”. The United States is not Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany we are not a country, at least in theory, that is, that does not stand ready for war in times of Peace.

To pay some body a cash bonus that sits on their arse out of the war zone while others are fighting and dieing is something only a very peculiar institutions that profit from the blood spilled on the battlefield and a military officer could think of.

When war does come, we expect all to do their share, including those in uniform. The idea of a professional military officers corps is repugnant to all of American values.

A quick look at military history shows, that like our current military, “professional militaries” have never been real good at winning wars. But boy did the have some great uniforms and especially hats.

When The Russian Federation soldiers screwed up there “peacekeeping’” mission in Georgia, Putin fired the officer corps. He called back some and to the rest to shut up, it could be be worse. Maybe Sec. of Defense Gates and President might take notice since out military want to be professionals maybe we should treat them like military professional that FAIL to win wars.

Flat out our current senior officers corps has no intention of winning the two wars, these are not the wars the trained and gamed for for over 50 years. This is not the enemy they wanted.

As for taxpayer, I intentionally left out Pakistan because out Defense Dept. was to much stressed out to take that one on so it is being prosecuted by the CIA and Civilian Contractors. By all know measures they seem to be winning, something our military long ago forgot how to do.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

You need to do a little checking into the Constitution. I believe the National Guard (State Militias) is the only entity called for directly in the Constitution, therefore the reserves would likely be rolled into the National Guard. There are specific reasons for this – the framers of the Constitution regarded the State Militias as a hedge against an “all powerful” federal government. Keep in mind that prior to WWI (when the State Militias became the National Guard) the State Militias reported to the legislative – not the executive – branch of government!

Jim (and all) — we should put this discussion to rest quickly.

First, do we follow the original wording of the Constitution? If so, it does not refer to the National Guard at all. Our creation of the National Guard is a recent one, the people in those units do not own the weapons they might use, etc. Air National Guard units fly fighters and cargo planes and they drive tanks (for example) — the Constitution does not mention the need for aircraft or armored vehicles at all. So the Constitution does NOT support anything like the National Guard that we have today.

Many States have a State Guard — many have naval units (Alaska is an example). We could easily interpret them as fulfilling the role envisioned for the militia.

So these arguments that the Constitution set up the current units known as the National Guard is false.

Now, if you want to pay for excess staffs you are welcome to.

Byron,

After reading several of your posts, I get that you feel the need to be an expert on everything, I have about had it. Please do not refer to active duty soldiers as REMF. I highly doubt you would actually recognize someone who could be characterized as a REMF if you saw them in the flesh. While folks in Balad may have never stepped foot off the base and walked a patrol, they certainly endured hours of mortor and rocket attacks all the while ensuring those venturing out of the wire had good fuel, food, clean water and plenty of ammo. They also provided pre-mission intel briefings and tracked IED emplacements along routes, maintained vehicles, and operated on injured service members, ensured members had a clean bed and warm showers. So please do not infer you are anything more than a troll who professes to espouse antiquated and uniformed opinion on today’s military. Your indictment of our “professional” military is an even greater insult to those reading your posts and I actually feel dumber for reading it. I think I actually lost IQ points when doing so.

I am a “professional military officer” you so pleasantly refer to however, I am not quite as old as you think I am. I grew up on video games, Ronald Reagan, Iran Contra, and Desert Storm. When you impugn us for “FAILING” to win two wars, I would ask you what the definition of winning is? I viewed and experienced countless “battles” that we won decidedly but if your looking for the Iraq equivalent of Wilhelm Keitel to come to the table and sign a surrender letter, you are dumber than I first envisioned.

Your lack of acquisition experience is even greater than your lack of real world operational experience. I won’t ask you the last time you actually wrote an acquisition strategy or developed requirements for a ACAT1D weapons system or defended a budget in the POM process, I would get the equivalent of a blank stare from you.

No Byron wouldn’t give you a blank stare. He would go on ranting about the Heritage Foundation and pitch some ultra-liberals take control of the process instead.

Yes, cuts need to be made but not to the benefits for our active duty and retired personnel. These people make the sacrifices that people who never served can ever make. Let’s not throw out the baby with the bathwater. There are many bloted weapons programs, aircraft, and ships that simply can be deferred. We need to keep our promises and be thankful to our brave men and women who have served and are continuing to serve this nation with distinction.

When you recall the dates, and time frame, in which our Constitution was wrtitten, you would quickly see, and KNOW, we had no tanks, we had no aircraft, no Navy and most all of the military system known today. So we either attach it to our Constitution intent and purpose, or we have to find justification for most ALL of out Miliatry today, don’t we????????????? Come on get serious about this, and stop the double talk and double meanings as well.

Steve, Retired

amen on the state militias, i think we should go back to that standard and stop the present govt from using the constitution against the American People,. Obama’s spending is out of control and when he made a sstatement that this was no longer a christian nation, he completely sunk our founding fathers future thoughts for us the newly American Country formed to stop taxation without representation. the present govt and to be fair the past presidents have set back and allowed the congress to gobble up every extra dollar available to America. i wont say for Obama as i see him as just another man who has become power hungry and is shoving the American People back into servitude, just as we once were to Briton, we won our freedom and i say lets keep our freedoms, go back to the old pathways and stay there. another thing that bothers me is that congress is always fast to give them selves big fat raises and then hollors we dont have any money to help our poor but yet we send Billions to all of this Nations enemies.

No i have not gotten off the path of state Militias..I believe they were set in place to answer to congress and not to the president just in case we got a powered up fat cat president whom is dragging the Nation down a long low path. If we still had state militias maybe we would not be in such a mess as we are ..remember the state militias had a right to defend their own homes if in danger then to the state and then only to be an imediant help to our soldiers in peril here on the US soils. President Rosovelt setup a manidary way for Social Security which had and has and can take care of its self but the govt has continualy used it to balance the budget. once again there is a need for the states to have their own soverign rights as States to either agree or dis-agree with the federalist.

the civil war started because Abramham wanted genereal Lee to raise a militia of 20,000 virginians who didnt like the way the feds were running things and he refused that offer and the war was on​.it was not to free the black man and was won only because the north recieved all the new immigrants and pressed them into service. it might be noted that the first battle was won lock stock n barrel by the south, but the southern men didnt want to disturb the women and children by marching on into Washington D.C. to the white house. people tend to forget what our state militias were for . even in the war for freedom, they had a choice to fight or not. as a disabled veteran from Vietnam i remember the ways this Nation treated all vietnam vets.. and the ways the govt slowed all processes for the promised health care for life. now there would be another need for a state run militia not a federal militia or National Gaurd unit.

These new ideas for reductions in Defense spending will require nerves of steel and the wisdom of Solomon.Like it or not the nation is still at war,duty may demand we risk our lives on an increasingly frequent basis. But Heaven forbid if Duty requires the commissioned corps or senior executive levels to offer honest assessments on Defense spending, especially if their post retirement income is potentially affected”.Sad but true.“Let‘s see who the real soldiers are and how the real Patriots in D.C. behave on this matter.Our ground forces in South West Asia should not be the only Americans asked to sacrifice and fight for GOD and country.Good Luck Mr.Secretary,we are all going to need it.Like the Navy says,“Stand by for heavy rolls”.

I feel very sorry for Skinner’s current employer, associates, friends and family (if he has any).

I have a question, why is everyone so concerned about reducing military spending for those who go out and fight for our country but not the people who sit around making babies so they can collect social security? Take money from those who give everything to keep giving to those who do nothing?

I could make approximately $60k a year on the outside while I make $21,758.40. Why do I do it? I know I am serving my country and I will be taken care of because I am an asset to our military. Tell me, what standard of living do I deserve as a soldier? Right now I am well below poverty. Lower my quality of life anymore and you promote not just me, but every young soldier to not make the military a career. What does that cost us? The professional NCO core that runs the military, and the experience to train their replacements.

My opinion is my own and I am not attempting to speak for the officers appointed over me or my branch of service.

Well said,wise and concise.Why can‘t the rest of us show such nerves of steel?Could it be we are afraid of not getting promoted?Let us speak up and down the ranks and have the courage of our convictions but let us be ready to pay the consequences,Duty demands no less from all of us,too many men and women have lost their lives in the line of duty for us to neglect this responsibility in order to fatten our retired pay.—–Former enlisted man.

It will be interesting to see how all of this gets done,without being penny wise and pound foolish.DOD has their work cut out for them.Will officers and senior executive level employees be able to make honest assessments on when and where to cut when their very own retired or future income rests in the balance?Integrity and duty should not be empty words regardless of paygrade or proximity to retirementThere are some very good ideas on the Armed Forces of the future here but will they be implemented and when?We should speak up and down the ranks responsibly and have the courage of our convictions while always being ready to accept the consequences.Our senior leadership has so directed,insubordination being of course out of the question.

soldier i.e. LtCol Robert A Schwehr

Dear McKenzie — KMA
Combat disabled CW3

I would like to just pose the idea that the American Soldier and the services in general want to win, they train that way and act that way. What the problem is is that war is hell, war is dirty, war is boredom, but what war is most is violent. What gets me is that those who have either never served a day in training or in combat make decisions about the rules of engagement that all soldiers must follow. Today’s soldier not only has to worry about weather he or his comrades will get killed, hurt, maimed or otherwise injured but if they violated the rules of engagement and if they will be prosecuted. If they violate the Geneva Convention then yes they need to be prosecuted but today’s tip toe approach induces more stress and danger than has ever been inflected on a solder to date.

The problem with rewarding top performers is that to what scale do you measure? The Enlisted performance standards very from supervisor to supervisor with it being almost impossible to write someone something other then a 5 in a lot of units. Do you reward those who spend every chance they get to kiss up to the higher ups or those who are actually getting the job done that eveyone claims credit for doing when it comes to report time regardless if they did it or not.

In Iraq and Afganistan it is not the soldiers who are losing the wars it is the politicians.

If you want to save money quite giving all of these vets disability for bogus injury claims. They are getting more from sleep apnea and high blood pressure than retirement.

You can save money by stop giving $600.00 to $1,200 to vets to take one or two class a semester. Also what is this post 9/11 crap? What about all the money the government gave to the police and fire fighters families after 9/11, they all had insurance. What about helping every country in the world but your own. Haiti got aid quicker than New Orleans and Texas.

Under the new GI bill vets only recieve money if they ar going to school nearly full time as in taking 3 classes when 4 is considered full time. The rest is simple covering their tuition and books. Yes it is unfortionate what happened to the people in New Orleans but that was a preventable action had the city used it hundreds of busses to evacuate the city before the huricane hit.

To All from an AF Widow and a Patriot,
Getting back to Defense Secretary (SECDEF) Gates’ comments, “We need to cut weapons spending, trim the bloated ranks of the military bureaucracy and reign in runaway pay and benefit.…“
1. Many good aircraft were retired because they were “too expensive” to operate, e.g. F-111; however the F-22 is too expensive to operate now. The F-111 had a peace-keeping mission of threat deterrence . The F-22 has air shows. I love new “hot toys” for defense; however, the costs must be justified! Currently, developers, DoD, and Congress are spending money the US does not have with Congress being the worst offenders. Buy weapon systems and support equipment our troops need, not what is “cool” or supports a political district or what would be advantageous to the approving officer’s retirement company’s product.
a. SECDEF Gates should ensure and enforce anyone approving any weapon system is restricted from working on that system, with any company related to that system, for a minimum of 5 years. That would help to eliminate approving systems to feather a future retiring person’s nest.
b. SECDEF Gates should ensure the requested weapon system is truly needed by the ones fighting the war. F-22s and others are not fighting a war nor defending nor deterring anything. The AF needs transporting, refueling, and air-to-ground support capability more. The Navy, Marines, Coast Guard, and Army have similar needs–tools of war, not fluff.
c. SECDEF Gates must ensure modeling and simulation of weapon systems and related warfighting is funded for appropriate training tools. Modeling and Simulation saves money and lives in the long run.
2. As far as the bloated ranks, I only familiar with the AF, but most of the current leaders are not someone I would follow in battle! My observation is most military officers are NOT leaders. They are only interested in promotion not the mission nor the people under their command. AND, no one tells the emperor he is not wearing clothes. Officers do not tell the bosses the truth because of ill effects to their performance ratings.
a. SECDEF Gates needs to work on the leaderships’ backbones! Patriotism should be rewarded and not punished for speaking out.
b. Performance Bonuses will only go the the “good ole boys” nearest the leadership. Do we need so many Stars or more middle management such as Captains and Majors in commanding positions?
c. Bureaucracy needs to be trimmed not only for the military but from the civilian support also! The performance rating system is far too cumbersome. For civilians in the past, the rating system was 2 pages; today it is about 15 pages! SECDEF Gates needs ensure those developing paperwork procedures are not justifying their jobs when they create the procedure.
d. SECDEF Gates needs to pay attention to the overall blot in Washington while the folks in the field are undermanned.
3. PAY and BENEFITS: SECDEF Gates should keep in mind the “promises” troops are given. My husband was promised FREE MEDICAL and DENTAL FOR LIFE for himself and his immediate family. That changed. We paid for TriCare Prime coverage and had Dental / Vision coverage through Federal employment. Luckily, I still have that benefit since his early demise. I pay for it monthly. Yes, it is excellent care and a reasonable price, but it is not FREE as promised! If SECDEF Gates wants troops to pay for care, it should start with troops as they sign up for duty and not years after they have been serving. The change could happen during re-enlistment or when officer contracts are signed. This retroactive business breaks those “promises” given.
I will be sending this to the SECDEF, too.

Boy, did you hit the nail on the head.….

SECDEF Gates is a Politician — not a war fighter. IF you remember he was pushing most of the programs under President Bush that he is now asking to cut. He will sway to his boss. He should resign and leave the job to someone that has guts and can stand on his own two feet, except letting himself be puppetered.

I simply have to shake my head on this entire mess. Whenever the budget goes too high the eyes go to the military for cuts. I’m going to make a couple of personal observations here.

1. About our Military losing two wars. Well when you send the dogs of war out with muzzles and their hands tied how in the world do you expect them to “win” anything. Public opinion and politics is dictating what they can and cannot do. Our Military is a highly trained machined. The best in the world. War is a ugly horrible thing but it is war. You want to win this war? Take the muzzles off and let them do their jobs.

Laura Roberts

2. Cutting bloat? Going after our Military men and womens benefits? Are you out of your minds? Most Military families below the national average in pay. Many have to suppliment their income with things such as WIC and yes some even qualify for food stamps. I don’t see any of those generational welfare families stepping up on the line in defense of our country. Yet they get more benefits then many of our military members.

Want to cut bloat from the Military? Cut the contractors out. You know the ones that come in and do laundry, cook, maintenances, security? Yeah the ones that make quadruple in pay compared to our Military Members. The ones that are pushing our defense budget to the brink of bankruptsy. The Military was a completely self sustained fighting force. They had troops trained in the fields that are now taken over by civilian contractors…can we say Halaburton? We used to have our own electricians, security, cooks, laundry workers etc. Now we have over paid contractors that spend billions of dollars of our defense budge for below standard services. Let the Military get back to the self sustained fighting force it used to be. Cut out all contractors. Save us BILLIONS. But then again some up on the hill will loose billions in income hey?

GaUnless you have stood on that front line, sacrifices lives, buried your soldier, or lived in the Military life style as some of us have then please do us all a favor. Stay out of our Military affairs. You have no clue what millions tes and his so called ideas make me sick to my stomach. Some of the people posting here do as well. of our best and brightest have sacrificed, what their families have sacrificed just so you folks can stand around spouting the drivil I’m hearing from both Washington and general populace.

How can I say that? Because I’ve earned that right. I’ve grown up in the military when my father served, I served, and my husband serves now.

I’m ashamed of many of the folks in this country and our leadership in Washington simply has no clue. I’m disgusted.

ok darn this having to cut my message up the last one came out wrong. Hopefully though you get the jest as I cannot edit my posts.

Well said! How did you manage to get your complete post in without getting the message that it was too long? I had to cut mine up to get it posted.

Thank you and your Husband for your service.

On the pay issue, I’d start by cutting the salaries and benefits of the generals and admirals and use the money to beef up the salaries at the bottom end of the enlisted pay scale. A net zero change that would better balance who does the fighting and who doesn’t.

But there is a problem with being in the military for 20 years and collecting benefits for 40 years. No government can afford it this kind of defined-benefit plan, and all private companies that had it have gone bankrupt for making promises they couldn’t keep. Our men and women in uniform (and I was on eof them) certainly deserve or thanks and respect, but the Constitution didn’t mention creating a military welfare state. In fact, our Founding Fathers didn’t believe in a permanent military at all. As you remember, it was State militias (the National Guards of their day) that fought to defend our country mainly without being paid. A better balance of entitlement (to receive after service) versus commitment (to serve) needs to be struck here.

I am appalled with the person who thinks past soilders with health promblems doesn’t deserve compensation. They must not have served in Vietnam. My husband served two tours. After having a very sucessful business and leaving the MIlitary with ten and one half years. He finally got compensationand he earned. Doesn’t people in Congress get a very good retirement and very good Ins. for life after four years. He committed suicide last year. Left a wife of forty years one Son and one Daughter and two precious Grandchildren. Who are still greiving. I don’t get much money from the goverment. I fought the war right along with him. Please think before you talk. Until you walk in these soilders shoes please be nice you just might hurt their feelings. Do you care?

Oh yes Mr. Gates we use us all us vetrans as Lab rats for R&D, then you expect us to pay and take awasy what we earned. But you Mr. Gates can go back to the private secter and show that you saved the tax payer at the expense of the Veteran. My what a heroic action for your thoughts.

I don’t argue that we need to take care of our military veterans. However, when I hear LTCs and MAJs at work discuss how to “game the system” to get disability retirement benefits when most of them have never fired a round in battle, it makes me want to slap them. Mr. Gates could provide proper benefits to the truly disabled veterans by eliminating disability payments to retiring soldiers who are not truly disabled.

Let the congress and senate give up their life time benefits once they leave office. No need to support them the rest of their lives.…their plans are much more expensive then what the Military gets. Save a ton of money there.

I have a simple statement and every one who reads it can draw their on conclusion from it and decide what cuts should be made and from where.

A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life wrote a blank check made payable to ‘The United States of America ’ for an amount of ’ up to and including their life.’

Exactly Bigdaddy, couldn’t have said it better. Veterans and current Military should be fuming that this would even be considered. I know I am. Time to throw all these bums out of office and cut their lifetime benefits while we are at it. Save the country trillions of dollars. Sitting around in comfy offices in no way compares to the sacrifice our Military and Veterans give this country.

Run-away pay and benefits?? How the hell do you fight a war. With paper mache soldiers and plastic bullets?

First clean off the top of the pay scale and retire half of all the active duty General officers. The top end is bloated. The ratio of officers to trigger-pullers is insane. Eliminate weapons of the future from the budget. Stop changing the uniform so often.
It does not take a scholar to cut the fat from this mess. Get Halliburton off the payroll. Get the overpaid civilian soldiers (security)out of the AOR and finally … end this stupid war.

ZR Bookhardt recommendations are what we need and this is the type of person SECDEF Gates needs to run the streamlining projects he envisions. I am in the DOD and I see the same things, waste, waste, redundancies, etc, and people like us do not rise to the ranks to do anything about it. ZR Bookhardt’s recommendations are a good start and the POM budgets and overhead stafff can be reduced and consolidated and that would not only save money but save the Department from ruin.

If you want 1% of the population to do all the sacrificing for the nation, so that your own kids don’t have to do it then you need to compensate that 1% appropriately. Either that or bring back a true draft with no deferments for rich college kids. That being said the senior officer corps could be cut by no less than 50%. Institute flat targeted pay raises instead of annual percentage raises that continue to widen the pay gap between our NCO and Junior Officer Corps that are most often in harm’s wah and Senior Staff Officer Beauracrauts and Civilians that have to justify their existence.

Interesting comments coming from a retired General who has spent the better years of his life mooching off the same retirement system that he espouses to change. Also interesting comments coming from a retired General who was, I’m sure, a high paid executive at SAIC as most GO’s end up getting courted and provided great compensation for cush work once their days of military service are over and they start sucking in that great retirement pay. Ask the E7, E8, O4 and O5’s (although O4’s and O5’s have a greater retirement paycheck) how great the retirement pay is as they more often than not end up working a job that pays less (in some cases much less) then they were paid on active duty and have to fight TRICARE to get any of their medical benefits. Talk about entitlement, as the GO put it, GO’s and retired GO’s are the biggest entitlement hungry military members in the force. Ironic again that he would make such a statement. How about the GO talk about weapon system procurement and how much it costs. How about the GO talk about sustainment costs for those weapon systems and how much it costs. There’s lies, damn lies and statistics and having a retired GO spout out a statistic to use for any rationalized thought that crosses their head is worse than “statistics” itself. How about looking at the civil service system as well? How about looking at how much we’re paying in contractor work? Although it is all a zero sum game in the end, the sacrifices that military members and their families are making and have been making throughout history is, in my opinion, worthy of compensation of some kind. In the end, Uncle Sam cannot replace the lost time that I have with time spent away on deployments, it won’t make up for the funerals that I miss because I can’t get back home and the family member wasn’t “en loco parentis”, and will not come close to compensating the hardships that are endured with stress and strain on the family due to extended work hours at home station because 50% of your unit is deployed and facing another 6 to 12 month long deployment. Funny that a retired GO should make such comments and it is a shame, although not unexpected from the retired GO ranks.

Thanks for the intel Lou. I need to process my disability claims for HBP. I need more money. Thanks for the reminder.
SFC(Ret.)

Gates is sucking up to his boss. (Obama) He is and always was a puppet because thats what he has been rewarded for. Its how it is in our system…military…life…works. What Obama wants, Gates will give him.
I am NOT a fan of taking away from the soldier. Gates in one breath will speak of how few Americans actually volunteer to fight for their country. Then in his next breath talk about stealing the benefits they swore the alegiance for.
Could we not take away from politicians benefits first? (Lead by example)
Aid to foriegn countries?? Im sure we gave Iran a shit load of money last year…etc
How about stop paying for illegals education??
So many things.…so much money being thrown away.
Dont steal from the troops.
Gates is a worthless bastard.
SFC (Ret.) 24 years US Army

.…let God sort it out.

FUCK Haliburton

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