Industry Wary Of ‘Productivity’ Moves

Industry Wary Of ‘Productivity’ Moves

It was not another April 6, nor a third Last Supper, but Ash Carter’s briefings today should mark the beginning of long-term changes for the defense industry, changes which industry sources view with worried eyes.

Carter, the military’s head of acquisition, said the Pentagon did not mean to cut industry profits but wants ‘productivity” gains, just as happens in private industry where there are often scores of competitors and the race often goes to the swift, the flexible and the prudent. Carter made a pretty clear case. The defense budget will grow at slow rates — 2 percent to 3 percent — for the foreseeable future. But to do that and keep procurement and R and D accounts primed efficiencies must be found.

He said commercial industry regularly eked out productivity gains. The monopsony that is the defense industry had not. “More has been costing more,” Carter said during his afternoon press conference.


He dismissed industry worries that his measure might affect profits. “This is about costs, not profits,” he said. If the department can lower costs, it should be able to buy greater capability for less cost, he argued.

Over the next few weeks, Carter said he would offer detailed proposals that would flesh out the memo he issued today.

Industry stood back and said, hmm. “Carter’s memo is a mixed bag for defense contractors — it depends upon whether a company’s product is considered meat or fat. Carter does promise to bring in more competition, which may help the smaller and mid-sized companies,” said Jeff Evanson, a defense technology analyst at Dougherty & Co.

The Professional Services Council, which represents companies most likely to be hit hardest by changes Carter has proposed, praised his effort but worried about the content.

“We share the goals that Undersecretary of Defense Carter has identified for the department and while many of the recommended guidelines—such as increasing competition and choosing the right kind of contract—are laudable, PSC is concerned about how the department proposes to implement them,” Alan Chvotkin, the Professional Services Council’s executive vice president, said after being briefed by Carter this morning. “For example, the department is right to focus on choosing the right contract vehicle, but why take a tool out of the toolbox by eliminating time and material contracts?”

And the PSC noted this is not the first go round for some of these proposals. “While many of the preliminary initiatives the department proposes have been tried before, the environment under which they are being discussed is different and the approach being taken appears to be different,” Chyotkin said.

America’s largest defense contractor, dependent on the Pentagon for the single largest defense program in history, was more positive about Carter’s moves.

“We see the world through exactly the same lens as Secretary Gates and Dr Carter, and we intend to be relentless in focusing on program execution, on continuously improving our quality, and on driving affordability into every process and every program. We’ve already made changes with the Secretary’s goals in mind — and those changes have resulted in reduced costs in several areas — but we’ve just started,” CEO Bob Stevens said in a statement.

Lockheed, worried about any possible threat to the Joint Strike Fighter, has moved fast and hard to publicly address cost issues. The company has clearly made strategic decisions that guaranteeing JSF cash flow stands as a paramount institutional goal. With that in mind, perhaps the most interesting sentence in Stevens’ release was the final one: “We welcome this opportunity and believe that working together, we can achieve better buying power for the warfighter and taxpayer, improve defense industry productivity, remove government impediments to leanness, and avoid boom-and-bust program turbulence.”

Loren Thompson, who was briefed on Carter’s measures last Friday and had time to think about them over the weekend, said the proposed changes “are long overdue, and may help to shield contractors from more draconian cuts imposed by Congress or the White House as pressure to reduce deficits mounts.” But, as Thompson knew, defense companies “will fear that targeting overhead costs endangers industry profits. Those profits are already at risk due to $330 billion in weapons cuts recommended by Secretary Gates last year and insourcing initiatives aimed at pulling contracted services back into the government. When combined with the more demanding acquisition procedures imposed by recently-enacted reform legislation and the prospect of reduced funding for overhead functions, the emerging pattern is far from encouraging for key sector players.”

One sentence in Carter’s memo stood out, and it gives a clear picture of just how gradual the changes will be. Carter wrote that new contracts will be the focus of the department’s efforts. So it will take years to achieve productivity gains and existing programs — like the JSF — are unlikely to feel the sting.

Smaller companies and those who don’t concentrate on defense may view this as a good time to bail out. Thompson concluded that the latest moves “will accelerate the plans of some” companies to leave the defense business “before valuations begin to erode in response to softening demand.”

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When a commercial customer doesn’t like what his supplier provides, he’s told to get over it and figure out a workaround. This is why commecial stuff is so cheap.

Imagine how if every single company buying Microsoft Office had their own custom-programmed version, starting from the ground up each time, and tested with every conceivable file format and hardware configuration, and had a complete and fully-detailed manual entry for every possible task. On the one hand, maybe it would finally work the way we wanted! On the other hand, imagine how much that would cost.

Oh good they’re going to introduce “competition”. Because that worked out SO FREAKING WELL back in the Nineties when Druyun was running the show.

” “More has been costing more,” Carter said during his afternoon press conference. ”

Jesus. What’s this guy’s background, toaster factories? Anyone who looks at the modern defense industry’s products should understand that the reason everything costs more is that EVERYTHING DOES MORE. The F-22 is more capable than the F-15. MUOS is more capable than UFO. JLTV is more capable than a Ford MUTT.

I mean, sure, we could go back to Korean War gear and it would be super cheap, but is that really the solution we’re looking for?

Good Afternoon Folks,

By all means protect the profits. We can always get more suckers to enlist to replace the dead and wounded, but those lost profits are irreplaceable.

Nothing but a classic DoD sell out to those peculiar institutions of right wing tanks and the defense industry. Sec. Gates and company are no different from Rumsfeld and his crew, they just needed more money to sell out.

President Obama is doing George W. Bush only better. We needed reform and got the same of corruption.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

If the business is not worth while, no one will bid on government business. Individuals don’t work for free and neither do companies.

Carter is attempting to adjust incentives that reward good work with profit. The current incentives tend to reward both good and bad work.

The old Soviet Union tried the non-profit approach to defense acquisition and it didn’t deliver the best equipment for their war fighters. I recall that they went bankrupt building second rate stuff.

The DoD is competing for talent and has to offer better than an opportunity to assume risk and lose money.

Well said POG! The DOD asks for some “bleeding edge” tech for US weapons which entails risk…risk that the government must bear and pay for…or I suppose you could try to get government employees to perform the R&D, testing, & implementation of high tech weapons. Bywrong could go down to the Dept of Labor and scrounge up a few government “workers” to sort out DOD weapons procurement. They could put Bywrong’s bad old capitalist corporations, “right wing think tanks” and universities out of business.…that would make the political left happy: unilateral disarmament through incompetence.

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Emmanuel Johnson
The move sounds great and cheap. Now the next leap is in the clouds where everything technological is centralized, to conduct e– commerce, you have to be cleared “Trusted”. Who sets the standards of authentication? A business owner no longer has control over its private information, which is stored in the clouds. Again, conformity to legal issues would increase the complexity of managing the whole infrastructure of a desperate information architectures that needs cost cutting. I will attempt to forge what cloud computing is all about: is an information technology service model where the computing services (hardware and software) gets delivered on-demand to clients over a Network in a self-service fashion, being independent of device and location. the requisite quality of service level of resources required are shared dynamically. You as a business owner pay for services as an operating expense without the initial capital expenditure. You can provision your organization’s server, or rent from a cloud provider that takes all the capital risk of owning the infrastructure.

Uh the Soviet Union went broke because they were competing against the Western European economy which was about on par with them ON TOP of the US economy which was significantly larger again. They had to spend a vastly higher proportion of their GNP to keep pace. Of course their procurement was not for profit, they were communist (!) and I don’t know what it takes to dispel the myth but a lot of their equipment was far from second rate. The real difference between the Soviet and US systems is that all ‘companies’ which supplied the Soviet forces were owned by the government much like how most defense suppliers in Russia are still owned by the government, whereas in the US the companies are private working for themselves and their shareholders, doing enough to keep ahead of their competitors but not necessarily providing the best products.

When you have companies (like LM), any companies, with a say in procurement you know something is wrong.

You can see why the rest of the US economy has no sympathy for the defense industries. The calls for a soviet style command economy to make sure that they don’t have to assume any risk and cant lose money, makes the whole military look like lame ducks.

>The old Soviet Union tried the non-profit approach to defense acquisition and it didn’t deliver the best equipment for their war fighters. I recall that they went bankrupt building second rate stuff.

Just hilarious. Capitalism is where you just have profits right ? LOL
Perhaps the DoD should hire some Russians to help their people learn about the basics of the market economy.

Sort of funny to see LM on-board. Some of the worst technical effort I have ever seen is from LM.

I am sure there are LM programs that are real shinning stars but they do not work on my programs.

Good Evening Folks,

LM’s statements should kill any of the arguments that are often used by supporters and the goofy organizations like Heritage of more military and to promote wasteful projects like the F-35.

These companies could care less about the security and defense of the homeland. War and its big useless toys is good for stockholders. They could quite comfortably do business in any country that has the money to buy there useless productivity.

The only thing left for Congress and the President to do is start treating this economy as a war time economy and impose an excess profits tax on defense contractors, managers and stock holders as they did in WW II. It worked and did’t slow down production a bit.

LM is clearly exploiting the misfortune of 9/11 and the fraudulent war in Iraq and the misadventure in Afghanistan. for the personal gain of its stockholders and management.

Right now all the defense industry is just a naked transfer of wealth from the middle/working class taxpayer to the wealthy equity owners in these profit bloated companies. If a defense manufacturing company could care less about the country it suppose to be defending one can only imagine the low regard it has for it hourly workers.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

You’re making a very convincing argument for why military​.com shouldn’t allow anonymous comments.

I love the fact that the GAO said the biggest impact on project costs was the vague requirement statements that balloon into overly complicated requirements that then end up changing and yet this is the big fix.

Great point Duck!

This points out the major issue on the USG side — the hardware has to do everything, weight nothing and survive everything short of a nuc.

DOD needs to get there arms around what are core REQUIREMENTS and nice to haves. In a perfect world we would never lose a service person, but Dr. Carter we are not in a perfect world.

Gates and Carter are moving in the right direction. I notice that over 3,500 defense contractors, defense personnel will attend the Military Vehicle conference in Detroit next month. That is just one of hundreds of conferences put on by the defense industrtry that thousqnds of defense workers and DOD personnel attend around the country in plush retreatsa and wine and dine per diem. While in Afghanistan we lost 9 kids at a outpost becuase they had nothing to protect them. Would it not be better to take 3,500 folks and their vehicles to the war front instead of sending thousands to wine and dine and hot air conferences. Billins would be saved if just a few practical steps can be tken to nban these types of waste.

Yes Byron, it is always EVIL! private industry’s fault. No problems on the government end, nope! And those “goofy” organizations like Heritage you hate have a far better plan for the military than you leftists.

You clearly have never worked in the defense industry yet you are claiming workers are treated poorly? Yet your solution to the problem is to leave those workers WITHOUT A JOB!

Oh yes. The state controlled Soviet defense industry was the very model of efficency, always building three or four different types of main battle tanks at once and all…

Jeff,

I must say this has to be the comment that has the most truth to it that I have ever seen on dodbuzz.
Well said.

Maybe that IS what the US needs to do. All weapons design should be done by soldier scientists. Take Spike for example. This missile built by the NSWC is THE smallest AND cheapest portable missle. A 5 lbs and only 5K, it’s fire and forget and can take out moving vehicles.

Like Yogi said, its like deja vu all over again. 30 years experience says we’ve been down this path before and not much changed. For example, productivity growth per worker is mainly a function of automation (which Alan Greenspand never really understood). How much more of the defense industry can be more automated? Which engineering, logistics, facilities support, and program management personnel at each contractor are going to self-select themselves as “excess”?

But if we want to make a start, let’s be honest about it. Aston Carter should just say that everything the Pentagon buys is overpriced and arbitrarily cut all contracts, both goods and services, by 5%. That would leave it up to each company to figure out how to acheive those savings. Industry knows where their waste and inefficiencies are. Let them do it rather than a federal bureaucrat (which we can also cut, since they won’t be needed to dream up ways to cut contractor budgets).

I wonder how they are going to cut overhead during a period where they want to hire over 4000 “acquisition professionals”?

There are no acquisition pros — Most of these folks have no prior military experience, dont hunt or go off roading, dont fish or anything else that would take them out away from thier computers or AC and heat. They have no ideal what the equipment they are responsible for needs to operate other than movies and online research. They belive anything the contractors tell them no matter what the guys in uniform say or request.

Two reactions to your comment:

First, there is nothing “vague” about the Key Performance Parameters used in weapon-system acquisitions, so the GAO (as usual) is talking through its hat when it claims that “vague requirements statements“are the biggest source of weapon-system cost growth. (I believe it has now been fairly well established that the largest source of “cost growth” in wpn-system acquisitions are ‘low-ball” initial cost estimates.)

On the other hand, the GAO itself has been producing “vague requirements statements ” for years that have led to much wasteful DOD spending. For example, the GAO has been saying for 20 years that the DOD must have an “overarching enterprise architecture” in place before its business processes can become more efficient — but it has never been able to explain, in concrete terms, exactly what an “enterprise architecture” is. Once GAO convinced Congress to pass the Clinger-Cohen Act, however, the DOD has been forced to spend millions every year producing “Business Enterprise Architecture” documents (that nobody reads) because the law requires them to do so.

Second, you might want to consider the possibility that in their call for overhead reductions and efficiency improvements, Messrs. Gates, Lynn, and Carter have decided the Dept needs to take a hard look at things like “enterprise-architecture” spending as an example of “overhead” spending that can (and should) be eliminated.

Are you seriously suggesting that the only people who are really qualified to judge the efficacy of defense systems are hunters and fisherman or get drunk and drive through the woods in 4 wheelers? That kind of thinking gets people like Sarah Palin elected!

Here’s hoping you’re not one of the acquisition pros.

No what I am saying is that most of the people responsible for these programs are moma boys geeks that have no ideal what this equipment is actualy required to do, most of the small arms geeks have never owned or fired one, most of the vehicle geeks have no ideal of what off roading is like other than driving to work in thier lux-suvs in the snow with 4x4 turned on and so forth. They have no ideal what the troops need. I deal with them all the time and no matter how well you explain it to them they want to add whatifs and wouldnt it be neat’s. We need to get rid or demote every GS14 and 15 in the Government and replace them with a bunch of the former enlisted disabled vets and such that have a clue how this gear works.

Boomer, I agree that most of the time we have what the comic strip Shoe once said about “the enemy”, that they were: “Whey faced, bean counters from the Pentagon!” I was one, too. But I drove the HMMWV around they thest track before it was operational, send money to buy the Sig 9 for our special ops guys (when the Barretta failed its initial tests), bought more targets for our fleet to improve of combat effectiveness when no one else supported it, and dropped $100 million to buy more force protection equipment for the Navy bases and personnel after the USS Cole attack but before 9–11 (where the plane went directly underneath me at the Pentagon after I told my staff we were the next target). I’ve pushed the price of Tomhahawk cruise missiles down so we could buy more, which were used to attack Bahgdad, and raised the standards the services provided at our bases. I also wrote the words to get Congressional approval to go rescue our people in foreign countries when captured. So all us former GS-15’s are not the same.

sadly your one of the few, I’m just a peeon 13 so I dont matter much when it comes to input — especialy since all my background and experiance comes from 24 yrs of military, most of it SPECOPS. I got hired and promoted because I blew them away with info during interviews, yet when I tell them they are wrong at staff meetings they give me the how dare you stare. They had a fit when I challenged one of thier M240 toting robots to a field test and killed it from 500 yards with one well placed shot from an M14, they could not believe thier 500K robot got taken out with a 1.00 bullet from a so called outdated rifle (cant get to take anymore challenges though). I argue with these guys all day long. Standard deviations is a big issue I hate, taking an additional double sample allowed to have twice as many more defects does not make the product more acceptable when you already exceeded the max defect rate the first time around, or how you cant control rifle accuracy when you except a lot of ammunition with 6 different powder weights in it on a waiver. Some of these guys just have no clue at all about what they are doing.

Your analogoy overlooks the fact that a lack of competition leads complacency.….

Just think about all the jobs that an event like that supports in a recession wracked city like detroit…

You are one of the few and I appologize for sounding short — I knew a couple other decent 15’s as well but they have since retired for the same reasons I complain now. I’m just a lowly 13 with no degree to back up anything I say, it doesnt matter that I spent 24yrs of my life in the military around most of this gear and they really hate it when I prove them wrong. I appreciate your efforts, I was in the gulf during the Cole incident and appreciated the gear we recieved most were items I had been requesting for a long time on deaf ears and waisted paper work. Thanks again for your deeds.

Remember SECDEF McNamara? Seems to me this stuff is old hat, VERY OLD HAT. The problem in today’s defense environment is they gutted the contractors back in the 1980’s and the defense industry is only a fraction of it’s former glory, thanks to then SECDEF Dick Cheney. Competition is not what Mr. Cheney wanted and now there is not enough players to get “competition” as envisioned in this article. What goes around, comes around.

Boomer you make excellent points. years ago, as an employee of a major radar manufacturer, I was shocked to learn that the engineering staff had NEVER been to the field to watch their radars in use by the USAF. Having just left the USAF myself, I then took them to Kansas to watch an exercise and they were flabbergasted, saying “we never designed the radars to be used this way!” 27 years later my little company teaches defense contractors and civil servants how to think like military end users and how to design and build solid and reliable defense equipment without unneeded bells and whistles. In teaching the building of system Concepts of Operations (CONOPS) to these folks, several things are apparent: extremely few of the engineers designing and building aircraft for the DOD are also pilots or mechanics; almost none of the defense engineers have ANY military experience at all; and almost none of them have EVER been to an operational unit deployed in the AOR or even on an exercise in the CONUS. So they have never seen their systems and products used by the military end user. And a big part of this is the DOD’s fault. The DOD makes it almost impossible for defense contractors to even meet with end users, let alone visit them deployed. But without that exposure, these engineers and scientists will never learn the down-and-dirty details of how equipment is REALLY employed. If you, or anyone else here, has any ideas on how to fix this frustrating situation, I’d like to hear them at Mack@SolidThinking.org.

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