India Tackles $10B Fighter

India Tackles $10B Fighter

Our colleague Manu Sood, editor of the Indian defense website  8ak​.in covers the impending $10 billion deal for the Indian Air Force’s new multi-role aircraft.

While it’s too soon to predict a likely winner for India’s huge competition for 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), the first indicators should be out as early as the next week when the technical evaluation committee’s report comes out.

Reports state that this deal for 126 fighters will cost $10 billion, but there exist huge price variances between the offered fighters of varying capability. And this figure is a lifecycle cost –  not an acquisition cost — so it is not clear if the number of fighters is fixed or whether the budget figure is. Half the fighters would not qualify even before going in to trials depending on the answer.


This is the first indication of the general confusion in the competition. The second is why a single engine aircraft with a 1970’s airframe is in the same competition as the most modern and expensive twin engine heavy hitter. The Indian Ministry of Defense has drafted the tender so broadly that most fighters would qualify. But this lackadaisical attitude will cost competitors hundreds of millions of dollars when they compete but fail. One competitor told 8ak that the competition could cost each bidder an average of $180 million given costs such as each bomb drop in live weapons’ trials could cost up to US$1 million.

Already there are reports that some competitors have failed to meet requirements in the early stages of the competition. On Mar 26, Shiv Aroor reported that four contenders failed their high altitude tests in Leh. This has not been since confirmed. Certainly, no contender has given signs of withdrawing from the competition.

For all its drawbacks, the competition is transparent. If any vendor is kicked out, India will have to give explicit reasons for which part of the tests it failed. So even if the IAF did not want a particular aircraft, if all the tick boxes were checked, no company can be eliminated at this stage even if they have no chance of eventually winning.

The threat driving the competition is a two-front war with Pakistan and China. With both states having nuclear weapons a deep-penetration strike is virtually ruled-out as per Brig Kanwal of CLAWS (Centre for Land Warfare Studies) since it would risk over-flying an enemy’s secret nuclear installations. He further says that there is an 80 percent to 90 percent probability that the next war will break out in the mountains and at least a 60 percent probability that the next war will remain limited to the mountains. In this scenario, the requirement of extended range is minimal.

With advances in technology, the fighter itself is losing importance and fast becoming a carrier for equipment such as AESA radars, sophisticated missiles and electronic warfare equipment. With miniaturization similar capabilities can be built in to smaller, lighter planes.

At the top-end, India has already made a choice, the Sukhois for which no tender is required. With delays in the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft Tejas project, buying another top-end fighter would mean that the IAF would be too top-heavy. Facing the prospect of a two-front war, large coverage area and the dwindling fleet (32 squadrons of 12 to 18 fighters versus a minimum of 39.5 sanctioned by the government) it is clear that the IAF needs a high number of planes to cover more areas and to deliver more sorties.

Given the above it looks as if a cheaper fighter will best suit India’s limited budget. This bends the odds in favor of single-engine competitors or the Russians, who are expected to offer the MiG-35 at a cheap price.

Things to note. This is the first IAF tender where life cycle costs will be considered, but MoD officials complain that this may not be possible for some of the players whose aircraft have very short service histories. With limited skills to evaluate such technically complex calculations, MoD may put a higher weight back to the initial price though this may just be a negotiating tactic.

It is common in Indian procurement programs for the services role to be limited to conducting tests. For the most part, the Ministry of Defense makes the decision. The bigger the deal, the more likely it is that Parliament and the government will weigh in. One source told 8ak that it would be best for the IAF to tell MoD which fighters they do not want and then let the government make a political decision.

Nobody can read the mind of the Indian government when it comes to politics. But here is our analysis.

The continuing strength of the Russian-India relationship has repeatedly surprised everyone. In a pure political face-off it is unlikely that any country would be able to outmaneuver Russia. If the past is Russian and the future (limited joint-development of Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) is Russian, then from a training, spares, infrastructure and familiarity perspective it makes sense to stay with the Russians.

The U.S. often has the best technologies but arms export restrictions can counterbalance the technology advantages. In a war with either Pakistan or China India cannot risk a situation where the U.S. might withhold support of spares or otherwise try to influence India’s behavior. However, the lure of U.S. backing India for a UN Security Council seat is quite lucrative and in a July 2010 report by senior Pentagon official Michele Flournoy made it clear that the U.S. is putting a lot of strategic value on the fighter aircraft deal and has made it clear that they would like to see a U.S. choice. This was backed by the US Navy putting its support behind the Super Hornet for India.

France has recently, virtually given up on sales to Pakistan and thereby made a strong commitment to India that will not go unnoticed. While they are a more reliable defense partner than the US, they are prone to mind-numbing price increases as witnessed in the Scorpene and more recent Turbomeca/HAL deals. EADS has pointed out that it is actually supported by a consortium of four countries plus France but Indian analysts believe that India would have little influence over a consortium and hence their political value is diminished.

The key drawback with the Gripen is that Sweden is seen as the least politically influential country. But there is a catch! What is and should be most important to India, possibly even more than international politics is to build indigenous capabilities. Saab’s Asia Pacific head Jan Widerstrom has pointed out that for a large US military supplier $10 billion spread out over decades is not a very big contract. But for Saab, with Euro 3 billion in annual sales, this would shift the company’s interests to India. This is supported by Par Rohmann, the head of the technology transfer programs, who says Saab would co-develop critical technologies with India. But the Gripen uses a U.S. engine and many other components, which could allow the U.S. to play spoilsport.

Corruption continues to be a huge problem in military deals here. Despite both Defense Minister A.K. Antony and the Prime Minister having squeaky clean images, corruption in India has reached very serious levels.

It is 8ak’s expectation that the final selection will be purely politics and will not be based on cost. Russia may have been eased out and US is in danger that its restrictive policies may become unpalatable in India. Eurofighter and Rafale are great platforms. If cost was not an issue, then these would win. But cost and numbers are an issue so, if Saab pushes hard enough, you never know. And that is the current prediction. You never know.

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Almost certainly, India will go with the Russian offering. And with the reliability record of Russian aircraft, there will be a continuing need for replacement pilots. The smart move for India would be to go with French aircraft with co-production to allow them to push back on price increases.

Red Dog engagements have shown that Super Hornets are much more superior than the Mig 35’s. However, without the advanced radar of which would not be on an exported plane, perhaps it would be a wash. maintainence is much less with a Super Hornet. However, they are a large, double engine aircraft. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

IIn a purely requirements based world, the Gripen would seem to be the best second string fighter for India. It is much cheaper to buy, so you could buy more, it is way cheaper to fly, so it won’t eat your operating budget, it has unique capabilities to operate from short fields and in semi-prepared areas, good for the border regions, it would probably make a good carrier plane for the Navy, and it has good (western) safety, reliability, weapons, and avionics suite. Pretty much perfect for the stated requirements. As noted, politically not as good.

Sorry, the Super Hornet is going to win this one! India doesn’t want the Mig-35, the F-16 is sold to rival Pakistan, the Gripen is to close to the LCA and not mature enough. Plus, the EuroFighters (Rafale & Typhoon) are to expensive.….….….

Maintenance is much less on a super hornet because you run a bit(built in test) and it tells you exactly what the hell is wrong. That’s is why I believe Super Hornet maintainers are the worst because their is no more troubleshooting on that aircraft. Run a test change out a part, not much fun in that.

Russian political influence will be to great to ignore, and they are willing to lower the prices. The Gripen may be an interesting outsider. The US and Europe are to expensive and political to hot to handle in their region.

But mayby Obama will have a go and pull it off with the (radar stripped) Hornet. I think the F-35 needs no discussion here.

India stands to gain much more if they select the F16. Granted, Pakistan has the same aircraft, but the Block 60 with the F110-132 would be several steps above.

Manu: Few people I spoke to since writing the article have said that they expect the order to be split. It may also simultaneously be increased to 200 fighters.

The super hornet offering includes the new AESA radar. The US Navy and Congress has allowed its export.

I think Boeing has a good shot with the Super Hornet here, it has the best range, payload, and avionics of the bunch. The F-16IN with it’s conformal fuel tanks and redesigned Gripen NG have a significantly greater range than previous variants, but they are still lighter fighters that could easily threaten any plans to continue the HAL Tejas light combat aircraft program.

I believe the deal will be split into French Rafale ( 40 in Nos) and ( Saab and Mig-35) .
Americans are the least reliable and European Typhoon is damn costly .

I am very sure that deal will go to eurofighter now with the devaluation of euro due to debt crisis and Snecma supplying engines for LCA tejas. india would be really really stupid to buy american fighters (F-16,F-18, gripen with US engine) as they will be easily sanctioned in case of war and god knows how many bugs Pentagon will install on their kits before they go for assembly in india. As for russia, if the mig series of aircrafts were not so unstable india would surely go with a russian platform which will not be the case this time as mig series aircraft have design flaws in their engines.

Although I agree that the Super Hornet makes more sense to buy, I have to think that the Mig will win, due to the relationship that India has with Russia.

@Tarun: One dude pointed out that even if Euro depreciates when you go the showroom the price of the BMW will remain the same. Also, pricing cannot be based on the lowest point of a currency fluctuation.
@TJRedNeck: Actually, the MiG became a serious contender only after Putin’s visit a few months ago (and the reported pressure). So I think the timing of the US$3 billion deal for additional Sukhois would means that politically the best opportunity to say goodbye to the MiG.Prior to that it was largely written off as non-existing.

the block 60 F-16 is by far the best fighter on the market. The track record proves a 97 to zero kill ratio, and the updated avionics are second to none. There is a complete co-production line of rate tools in place waiting to be set up in India, giving them the complete package (turn key). They can build their own aircraft, and follow their own schedules.

One of the main reasons for the tender is Indians do not want to be dependent on the Russians for spares which are hard to get. One of the European fighters would surely win but can’t say which one. India should go for the Eurofighter and enter into a joint partnership with SaaB to develop the LCA. US has lots of tec going into the european fighters so they wont care, plus the have lots more goddies they can sell to the indians.

@Manu: Not exactly the new bid that will be submitted by all bidders would take into account existing currency rates and not the old ones.
Moreover I feel u are looking narrowly at the cost angle. Both F-16 and F-18 are thirty year old airframes with limited sope for tech upgradation. Moreover you cant do much tinkering with the equipment. On top of that you will be totally dependent on US for spares where track record is not very good. And dont forget that pakis know the F-16 inside out, the only advantage F-16 will give you over pakistani aircraft will be latest AESA radar which will in any case be deployed in Eurofighter as well. With Eurofighter you get a top class new evolving platform where you can add israeli, indian and russian technologies, a brand new airframe, one of its kind aircraft in South Asia, Indian experience with European platforms like Mirage and any day quality and tech that is better than any American aircraft except F-22 and F-35 and no threat of sanctions. I would go for these advantages any day over slightly higher cost.

Russians have high reach in Indian defence circles.…i don’t know how US will overcome

agree ..maybe whole production line of F-16 can be shifted to india too.,. in the bargain

Russia has already committed fifth gen fighter to india ( co developing) ..doesn’t make sense if india goes for Mig35.
india will be hard to sanction as it is buying only 18 and rest manufactured in india …large number of plane and loy of spares„,

INDIA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT COULD SAVE THIS US FROM “CHINA“IF THEY GET THE PLANES FROM “RUSSIA” THIS COULD PUT RUSSIA ON OUR SIDE AGAINST CHINA.…NOW YOU KNOW THAT THIS PRESIDENT OF THE “USA“HAS GREAT LOVE FOR RUSSIA AND THEY FOR HIM,SO WE SHOULD FOLLOW THE LEADER,HE HAS ARE “DESTINY“AND FOR THE GOOD.…..

I know that lot of americans are very proud of their Aircraft technology and truly F-16 was the harbinger of modern 4th gen fighter, but does India want a old reliable aircraft that has been used to death, whose tactics are so widely discussed and used by dozens of nations includng its adversary pakistan that even a school-boy would be familiar with them. I dont think so. As for f-18 even USAf has not deployed them in mass numbers and f-18 is mainsay of US navy not USAF. Frankly to me the MMRCA race is a nobrainer, Eurofighter typhoon is the only realistic choice for IAF

Many would argue that we need more F-18 airframes as a stop gap to replace the aging F-15 fleet. I must admit, that for any country, having a basic airframe that could be retrofitted as a carrier lander, would be very attractive; but I dare not speculate how difficult a design requirement that would be!

To keep the basic airframe beefy enough for that requirement may be a negative cost factor. Too bad fighter aircraft can’t be as modular as they once were. Composite technology has ended that permanently.

post this article someone told me that only 3 heavy lifters have been down-selected. This is contrary to my expectation above. If you hear something, please let us know by email on editor *art* 8ak​.in or via comment on this website or http://​www​.8ak​.in/​8​a​k​_​i​n​d​i​a​_​d​e​f​e​n​c​e​_​n​e​w​s​/​2​0​1​0​/​07/…

As a HINDUSTANI I would like to suggest either go for European or Russian. We should never never never trust the Americans. They may be a good dominator, but never be a best Friend.…

Mig 35 is the best deal we can get because the Russian have agreed full transfer of tech for the aircraft as well as the ASEA radar and F18 is the worst aircraft that India could go for even the American know that very well even a downgraded version of mig 25 that was built in 1970 brought down a F18 and the French aircraft has low powered engine and the SAAB is providing a good aircraft but again there are issues with transfer of tech as it uses a American tech and the euro fighter is quiet good but again there is a price issue and none of this contender apart from the Russian are willing to provide TOT of AESA radar and the those who think F18 is better aircraft just do some technical reading if u can and Mig 35 is not like SU 30 MKI that it needs a lot of maintenance it needs very low maintenance and all the crashes of mig were in India only because we were using the other series of mig parts because of the spares unavailability so mig is a far more better aircraft when compared to F18 and F16 in terms of maneuverability and the radar as the russian claim that they can detect F22 with 3.14 min with their Mig 35 radars

as an Indian, I bet the winner is Super Hornet

F16’s capability is to fight only the camel riding talibans, that’s why pakistan, the home of the terrorism was given a large quantity (sarcasm). however, F-35 (lightening II) will be more platable to India despite it’s higher price tag. India has two enemies, the terrorist pakistan and the mother of all ‘covert terrorsims’ rogue china

its time that usa sheds it old hatred against the russians and ‘reset’ the trust factor. 21st centuries has diff enemies. islam and china. china has proliferated thru PAKIstan/N Korea the nuke and missile technology and dreaming to be the only super power. should communism be allowed to control the world order rather than the democratic, beacon of hopes and freedom, the USA?
hell no!
the USA must not allow the savage forces of evil, “islam and communism” to roam and rule this globe.
USA needs to trust the new allies which have a dream to become like USA, free and prosperous.
India, Brazil and Russia will become its most trusted allies like UK and some other European countries. there are 3 billion commies and moslems who hate USA so much that they will do anything to destroy this numero uno country.
India has a big stake in buying the american fighters and will most likely buy the F/A 18 (SH)

china also claims to have the best radars/avionics, but it just failed to detect the american subs in it’s waters just a few days ago which had been lurking for quite some time.
why would PAKIstan need to replace china made avionics in its co-developed JF-17 with French avionics?
these are just the scare tactics the china or (may be russia) will employ to bolster the fake glory of its product.

Tarun,
The new F-16 is also capable of supercruising unlike the Pakistani F-16’s. The engines on the F-16’s being offered to India are more powerful. The Mig-35’s (Mig-29) design also dates back to the 1970’s. Eurofighter will not have an AESA until later on.

I personally think that either the Mig-35, Rafale of F-18E/F will be selected. The reason I suspect this is that these aircraft can also be operated from an aircraft carrier.

This is the problem with countries like ours; where the politics of democracy change so often, that we make unreliable partners to our friends.

I and many of my fellow US citizens love the Indian peoples no matter which caste or belief, and regret the past. It seems it is our politicians that can’t get along! My aunt used to live in India and has many friends and fond memories of her childhood there.

Political leverages will play the biggest role in this deal, and there is no reason why it should not. But as some people pointed out before, will the USA stop selling arms to Pakistan if India selects a US fighter? NO, a big no as Pakistan is its ally in the War on Terror. Currently, accept it or not, Pakistan means more to the US than India. But looking into the future, Indian concerns will have way more weight than the Pakistani ones.

If a non-US fighter wins the competition, does it mean that the USA will end its strategic relationship with India? NO, a big no again. India’s place in the world map and most importantly India being a working democracy with a promising economy is good enough to maintain a strategic relationship with USA.

On the the other hand, France refused to sell latest avionics to Pakistan for its JF17 after Indian lobbying. If India buys the Rafale, it will be a great boost for its already good relationship with France. Saab and Sweden offer almost no political leverage and India is already buying enough from Russia. Only UK and Germany might offer India some leverages but then again, not major ones. UK has already stated that it supports India’s UNSC bid and I don’t think they can do anything more as it is not a major arms seller to Pakistan or China.

In the end, buying the Rafale will make the most sense as the Rafale is a state-of-the-art aircraft which comes with a 100% ToT. Its AESA is almost done testing and deliveries are supposed to begin soon. As France declined Pakistan’s offer to provide its JF17 with French avionics, it shows it is willing to take it a step further. Not to mention, PAF operates a big fleet of Mirage fighters.

A Mig-25 brought down a F/A-18A and that means it is a superior aircraft? Did you happen to miss the air-to-air tally of the rest of the Gulf War? The Iraqi Mig-25s and Mig-29s got clobbered.

The Mig-35 is pretty much a modernized Mig-29 with new avionics, and a redesigned airframe containing extra fuel. In terms of performance and range (not avionics) it is probably comparable to the Super Hornet. The Russians indeed claim the Mig-35 won’t suffer from the maintainability problems of other designs, but only time will tell. In terms of maneuverability, the Mig-35 would only be superior if fitted with thrust vectoring.

The f-16 being offered to India does not supercruise for more than few seconds. The USAF officials were just using supercruise to excite gullible Indian journalists. As for AESA, Eurofighter will have it by 2014, well in time before the first aircrafts start coming to India. The US Aesa advantage is only temporary. As for carrier based aircrafts, I guess you did not read the news that India has choosen Mig-29K as its carrier based A/C. My only problem with F-16 is that htere is no surprise element in it. Except for Aesa radar and greater use of composites, F-16In does not have anything more than F-16 Block 52 of pakis. Mind you in WVR conflict this will be a huge disadvantage for Indian pilots as Pakis train their best pilots with F-16, it is the core of their air force and they have centred their air power around F-16 whereas Indian pilots have little or no experience with F-16s, it will take them decades to reach the level of familiarity that Pakis have with F-16s.

Can the Mig-35 pass the high altitude tests ? Is IAF comfortable with the engine ?

Newer block F-16s are sold to many many other countries in the middle east. Pak could eaisily access it or maybe even loan it from them ?

They have something, none of the middle east countries have, namly nuclear weapon tech that they can pilfer in return. If PAF and IAF have the same aircraft can IAF still retain a consistent edge in some way ?

Can the super hornet have an edge in combat over the newer falcon versions in combat over this subcontinent topology ?

Best fighter vs who ? How much edge does block-60 have over older versions of itself ? And in event of PAF getting to upgrade its f-16 to block 60 can the IAF still have a consistent edge over PAF by some means with both flying the same aircraft ?

And what about the mig-35 engines ? Is IAF comfortable with them at high altitudes ? The entire package of superior avonics etc becomes useless if it cannot be deployed.

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