Right Strikes Against START

Right Strikes Against START

As the Senate Armed Services Committee readies classified hearings for Wednesday this week on the technical verifiability of the new START treaty, the right wing of the Republican Party has come out swinging. The Heritage Foundation has created an independent group with the purpose of pressing their views on the treaty, Heritage Action for America, They contacted us last week about running an o-ed and here it is.

Senators John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and Richard Lugar, the committee’s top Republican, reacted swiftly last week when former Gov. Mitt Romney questioned the validity of their beloved nuclear treaty. Their reaction was to ridicule Romney, demonize his positions and reject any criticisms of the treaty outright. Unilaterally ending debate is not how decisions about American national security should be made.

These gentlemen must understand that New START is larger than any one person. When presented with crucial questions of security policy, egos must be set aside. The American people expect a serious debate over this issue and the importance of the New START treaty demands it. This week’s dueling op-eds made clear there is a genuine, and extremely serious, debate over the merits of New START.


Lost in the media frenzy is the fact that many noted and respected foreign policy observers have serious concerns with the treaty. Those concerns revolve around one simple question: does New START make America safer?

Policymakers need only to look at the comments from the Russians themselves. Yury Savenko, the First Deputy Chairman of the Duma Defense Committee has been quoted as saying that, “Whether the Americans want it or not, they, after adopting the New START treaty, will give us a breathing space that we can use to reform and modernize the country’s nuclear missile potential.” From a Russian perspective, the treaty allows them to increase the effectiveness of their nuclear arsenal.

Not only are the Russians excited about their modernization prospects, the treaty does not require any reductions in their tactical nuclear weapon arsenal. The Heritage Foundation’s James Carafano says, “If we were really serious about cutting nukes we would have stuck with the more drastic limits imposed by the original treaty. [T]he treaty does nothing to address tactical nuclear weapons, something the Russians have in vast supply. … Russia holds a 10:1 advantage in tactical nuclear weapons over the United States.”

Unfortunately, Senators Kerry and Lugar have swept aside these legitimate concerns that New START will enable Russia’s nuclear capabilities to exceed that of America’s.

Perhaps even more alarming is that the treaty actually undermines America’s defensive capabilities. As Russia’s strength grows, relative to our own, and the dual threats of North Korea and Iran go unaddressed, New START restricts America’s missile defense capabilities. According to Bob Joseph, the former Undersecretary for Arms Control at the State Department, the administration has shifted from saying there are ‘no limitations’ on missile defense to there are ‘no constraints on current and planned programs.’ Given President Obama’s already scaled back missile defense program, these statements demonstrate the administrations belief that development of robust missile defense is limited by this treaty.

The subtle shift in the Administration’s rhetoric is cause for concern. While the administration may be satisfied, New START vanquishes any hope for a robust, post-Obama defense shield.

A limited missile defense policy is also contrary to the goals of the treaty. The latest Nuclear Posture Review highlights the importance of missile defense in reducing our reliance on nuclear weapons. However, as Eric Edelman, former Undersecretary for Policy at the Department of Defense points out, “New START unfortunately introduces limits and obstacles to further development of precisely these means of defending the country.”

Thus, we are left more dependent on the obsolete strategy of deterrence.

A credible argument can be made that New START empowers Russia (and, by default, other nuclear countries) and weakens America. Yet, Senators Kerry and Lugar seem more interested in sullying the messenger.

Even the enforcement of the treaty is questionable, as the provisions are embarrassingly insufficient. Paula A. De Sutter, former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Verification Compliance and Implementation stated that, “The Russians can do so much under this treaty to advance and expand their strategic forces … and our ability to determine whether or not they are doing that and whether it violates the treaty is very, very low.”
Additionally, the Bilateral Consultative Commission is able to change the treaty without further Senate approval, according to former Senator Jim Talent (R-MO), because the drafters never bothered to define what they are able to change.

Although Senators Lugar and Kerry are portrayed as serious foreign-policy thinkers, their responses to criticisms of New START were intended to cut off debate. America needs to have a straight-forward debate on the impact of New START. Heritage Action for America is committed to giving Americans a desperately needed voice in this debate.

Michael A. Needham is CEO of Heritage Action for America, which launched an online petition drive to defeat New START.

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With Obama, the fact that the new START treaty weakens America is a feature, not a bug. Isn’t it great to have the first anti-American President?

You forget Jimmy Carter.

It is interesting to see what the Heritage Foundation says — good to get opinions from various sectors. One place they are wrong is thinking that a treaty stands in the way of a robust anti-missile shield. Actually, what stands in the way is the technology! It is not easy to build a reliable anti-missile missile and we have not yet done so. We need more research and we might as well have a treaty that might impede their deployment.
One place that I agree with this op-ed is on verification — we have never built that into a real requirement and verificiation (as I understand it) will still be weak in this proposal. Fortunatly we have far better access to places in Russia (and many of their locations are in other countries these days) so we could do more “drive by” verification.
Still, the treaty needs to be updated to reflect the current borders and capabilities. I hope our elected officials can work together.
And lets just acknowledge the automatic responses of Byron, etc — yes we know you feel the US is rotten and our contractors just want to loot the treasury, etc. Can you post some new thought??? And no, DoD Buzz is not some right wing front — they report the opinions of various groups.

Nuclear proliferation advocates already won this fight in the public sphere. I guess this is the Conservatives opening preamble for their intention to kill the treaty.

Good Morning Folks,

The Heritage folks are drinking their own kool-aid again. Could someone please tell this group of know nothings that the US ground forces have zero tactical nuclear weapons, I believe that the USAF no longer field a tactical nuclear weapon other then the B-61, the Navy still has some Block’s 1 and 2 TLAMS but none are at sea, and they are being phased out of service, and the nuclear option disappeared of CVN decades ago.

To counter any of these tactical systems that any count might want to use the US has proven MDS’s in the Standard Block 3 and the Patriot.

As far as a tactical missile threat the Chinese were over the July 4th. weekend were going to put on a mega fireworks demonstration of the 2nd. Artillery of China’s Tactical ballistic missiles capabilities in the area of The East Seas Fleet including a demonstration of an ASMB hitting a moving target. I’m still waiting, my popcorn long ago got cold.

The Russian Federation has moved all of their declining number of Tactical Nuclear Weapons east of the Urals. The issues of Iran or North Korea are at best mute. Why is this even being talked about?

Heritage’s Action for American is not a voice in the debate, it is just some loony unreconstructed right wingers suffering from the DT’s of their declining influence.

I agree with the Lt. Col. Treaties need updating, I would even go so far as a 20 year sunset on all treaties of this nature.

The developing technologies, especially in delivery platforms is just to unpredictable right now to make any binding decisions to far into the future. Personally I doubt that the cruise missiles, manned bombers or even tactical ballistic missiles or even ICBM’s will be a factor in the debate 20 years from now.

Where, how and methods of war fighting right now is in flux. Currently the consensus is developing that nuclear weapons have little to no tactical value and are only a terror weapon. The era of a target rich environment, massed Armies, vast air armadas or thousand ship Navies will only been seen on the History Channel.

The emerging opinions that say people don’t like getting killed or have friends and family killed by Armies, that if you blow something up and win you are stuck rebuilding it is hopefully penetrating the worlds political psychie.

I happy to see that the Lt. Col. has my responses down to a formula.

Finally as Bush (43) showed, a treaty is just a piece of paper, and those of you who have even a clue of US Constitutional Law know that any current President or Congress is not bound to any action of a previous President or Congress. Bu that would be asking to much on the wingers part.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Treaty or no treaty, since the Pentagon will update its arsenal of nuclear weapons, what’s so odd that the Russians wouldn’t update theirs? Trying to disguise their conservative opinions as balanced, the Heritage Foundation is trying to pull off the same manipulative strategy (re: scam) that Fox News is — that they are “fair and balanced”! Yellow journalism will always be use as long a we have a Constitution.

The real focus still remains — how many nukes do WE want to blow up real people who disagree with us. Even 100 is too many, because after the first one lands in both Russian and American territories, killing massive numbers of civilians, both civilian populations will rise up and dispose of their own governments for being completely insane! But I suspect “human nature” will prevail and history will keep repeating itself. A fight is coming, because, after all, men really LIKE to kill, especially one another. It’s the “ultimate challenge.”

This treaty sells out the defense of this country…for what? I have listened to both sides of the debate, and quite frankly, I would personally lean towards the side that wants to disregard this trash negotiated by Obama…What was that man thinking? What gets me, is unless we have some future under the table stuff going on, then why give the Russians the advantage of their modernized nuclear arsenal? We will not be developing any new strike platforms any time soon, we are wanting to retire bombers from a already ineffective force, and we already have a weak missile defense shield already in service. Missile defense…To my ears, that s a load of bull on costs associated with ground based interceptors and their ineffectiveness in hitting targets. Especially when any fool knows that it will take more than one missile to shoot down a incoming war head. The reason we do not want to fund these systems is quite simple…we have idiots who seem to negotiate treaties with the skill of a elementary school student.

What news source is fair and balanced? I read everything from the Washington Post to the Wall Street Journal, and I have not seen one yet. Fox News is the Conservative equivalent of the Washington Post.

And when everybody else abandons their nukes, what happens when a man like Kim Jong-il doesn’t play by our rules? He has the advantage and can pressure others to get whatever he wants.

This is common sense Byron, something you liberals seem to be lacking.

Cause CNN and MSNBC tell the truth… right.

Yury Savenko, the First Deputy Chairman of the Duma Defense Committee has been quoted as saying that, “Whether the Americans want it or not, they, after adopting the New START treaty, will give us a breathing space that we can use to reform and modernize the country’s nuclear missile potential.”

Cite the source of this please. I cannot find any source attributing this comment to this individual.

The tone of the article is conspiracyesque and therefore quite ridiculous. This treaty is the first step in genuine post Cold War non proliferation. As the most recent drama has shown theres still a latent suspicion on both sides but it is slowly being overcome, with the right policy, which interestingly and revealingly is what the Russians were interested in. Theres a way to go yet but this is heading in the right direction.

This treaty does not remove all nuclear weapons from the Earth. I share President Reagan’s dream of a world without nuclear weapons. Key word is dream. Will it happen within my lifetime? But it is a goal worth striving towards.

Is there any scenario in which the use of tactical nuclear weapons by the Russians would not preclude an escalation into MAD? Therefore what does it matter how many tactical warheads the Russians may still have compared to ours? Does anyone here truly believe that the Russians still intend to pave a path to Paris, starting just west of the Fulda Gap, with TacNucs?

I am not aware of any ABM defense plans intended to prevent the complete destruction of the United States in the case of total war with the Russians. As a result of this, we should avoid complete war with the Russians. We’ve managed to do it for many decades now, and I can see no reason why we should change our policy.

What an American ABM system should do is protect our great nation from a limited attack. By limited I am referring to something along the lines of 12 inbound missiles. Is there anything within this treaty that would prevent the United States from fielding a limited ABM system?

Or is there really anyone out there that truly believes, in their heart of hearts, that (with the right defensive systems combined with a technologically superior nuclear triad) the United States of America still has a good chance of winning a nuclear war with the Russians? And if you answered yes I would love to hear your definition of “win”.

Good Evening Folks,

“Why doesn’t everybody else abandons their nukes…” Well lets see, China has somewhere between 80–180 nuclear weapons that are disassembled in the Beijing Military District and the parts are spread out among six institutes, so I would say the Chinese for all intensive purposes have shut down their nuclear program.

The Russian Federation which is being secretive on this issue has not tested a nuclear weapon since the end of the Soviet Union. They have been converting a lot of bomb grade Plutonium into commercial grade Plutonium for sale to the EU, all existing nuclear material in the Russian Federation is known to be secured and much of it is under the protection of private western security agencies.

The UK has a small nuclear program (50 weapons or so) all involved in the US Trident program and are questioning currently if they need that many. France has about a hundred nuclear weapons, which being France it is more of a “…we have them too.” Then anything else. Neither the UK or France conduct regular SSBN patrols.

Neither China or The Russian have functioning SS-N’s or ICBM’s. Neither country can send out an SSBN on a war patrol.

India and Pakistan are in their own little world, Pakistan is said to have about 50 nuclear devices, most likely under Chinese control and they are kept disassembled in six locations. India claims to have about a 100 nucs. Neither side has a delivery platform that would allow them to send their weapons outside of the region.

Iran just this weekend said they can made 20% pure Uranium, that’s a long way for the purity required for a weapon. North Korea has conducted two nuclear tests so far that are inconclusive as to if they have a weapon or not. On Iran they have been five years away from a nuclear weapon since 1979, and still are.

Neither Iran or North Korea have a delivery platform that could deliver a nuclear weapon. Launching satellites and and nuclear are two very different tasks, just look at The Russian Federation.

I would say that other then the United States most of the rest of the world has pretty much given up on nuclear weapons.

The Russian Federation says a lot of things, most are nothing but bragging for the home folks. Russian military technology is 20–30 years behind the US by Russian estimation, in many area the are more like 50 years behind the US.

The above are variable “facts”, the numbers are not hard, if anyone (the fact checkers) take the time to look they will find variances, I know what I’ve posted won’t be believed by the wingers here, it doesn’t fit into their predetermined world view. So what. But to the readers who come over to read us who are looking for a different view here it is.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

A world without nuclear weapons is impossible, at least until somebody develops something of greater destructive power. In the words of one USAF General, it is not something you can put back into the bottle.

On the subject of are smaller nations that may try to use tactical nukes in an attempt level the playing field, and our resptactical nuclear weapons, the Russians are not the problem, we need to shift the focus off them. The problem zere is key. Do we have the stomach to go all the way to ICBMs and our strategic nuclear arsenal if this occurs, no matter the scenario? If not, we have every reason to maintain a stockpile of tactical nuclear weapons. The Chinese are always out there as well, and while war with the PRC is a very unlikely scenario, who knows what the coming decades hold?

Byron Skinner, do you honestly believe nations like Iran and North Korea would stop developing nukes and delivery systems for them if we abandoned our stockpiles? What basis does this idea rest on? They would continue work, secretly or otherwise, because they know that in such a scenario where few nations have nuclear weapons, those that do possess them hold a great degree of power. While we may not like the truth, the truth is that the principle of MAD is our best bet to avoid a nuclear exchange into the future.

The French outlook “we have them too” is pretty much the way it has to be for the United States. And that capability must cover a relatively wide spectrum.

I don’t know the numbers of missiles the PRC has, but they do indeed have ICBM class weapons capable of hitting portions of the United States. And while the Russian’s have had trouble maintaining all aspects of their military since the fall of the Soviet Union, they still do have a strategic nuclear arsenal and hope to modernize it as seen by the Topol M mobile launchers they parade about.

Remember if we continue to cut our overall stockpile of nuclear weapons, we need to ensure our limited arsenal is modern and can get past ABM systems.

This conversation should focus on the treaty with the Russians.

A treaty that does not limit the number of tactical nuclear weapons for either side.
A treaty that does not limit the development of ABM.
A treaty that does limit the number of deployed strategic nuclear warheads to 1,550.

Isn’t 1,550 enough? Plus our tactical warheads. Plus all the thousands of inactive stockpiled warheads both sides are keeping for a rainy day.

Heritage is just trying to protect the defense industry profits and if that means more nukes pointed at Americans that’s just fine by them.

And it’s always great to see the wing-nuts agreeing with the Iranians and North Koreans that the non-proliferation treaties are just a big lie as the nuclear powers have no intention of disarming.

The problem as Bill has said is that the wrong side won the Cold War. Since the Chinese are too smart to get drawn into one and nobody else can really justify the extraordinary profits that the cold war made for the defense industries maybe the cold war with the Russians can be restarted somehow ?

The solution is well known historically and wont be long before they work it out — make the American people the enemy.

So many different interpretations, so many different perceptions, so many different “realities”. There is only one reality. When any living thing is backed into a corner by a threat, it faces the choice of kill or be killed. That is never going to change. On a sliding scale of safety and security on one side and liberty and freedom on the other .… where do you want to be … what is your value … what is it worth to you … at what cost … how ya gonna to do it?

I think what is so amazing about this thread is the frequency with which people use the term MAD, while lacking a complete understanding of deterrence. Deterrence theory is far more complicated than MAD alone. Many of the facts above are unsubstantiated. Yes, there should be a debate about this treaty. But to say that Obama planned this is ridiculous. We have dozens of people working behind the scenes on these treaties, and to assume that we have more information than they is silly. In terms of the tactical nukes, my own opinion is that the Americans let the Russians keep so many because we want to hold on to our own conventional delivery platforms that can so easily be turned into nuclear vehicles. It is a tit for tat. We want our cruise missiles, our SSBNs, and our next gen hypersonic missiles. Weighed against the extremely low probability that Russia actually uses a nuclear weapon, it is well worth it, considering the credible threats we face. Finally, in regards to “As Russia’s strength grows, relative to our own…” I see little indication that Russia’s strength, particularly in the nuclear realm, is growing. How is that Bulava missile coming along?

When CNN went from being a real news channel to being a TV version of a supermarket tabloid a few years ago, I stopped watching.

Actually, the negotiations for “this treaty” were started during the 8 years of the Bush II adminsitration.

What a lot of folks overlook and doen not get a lot of press is when the wall came down a new wall and growing power in Russia was born, many of the hard core and former KGB established the Russian Mafia, and as there are still former KGB in the current Russian government it is obvious they have ties and why they continue to grow world wide dealing in weapons — drugs — prostitution — kidnapping — slavery — and murder for hire while establishing a large bank account to fall back on and waiting for the time to reclaim the government completely. They have a stronger infrastructure than Russia due to supply and demand and still have a burning hatred for us as a hole. It is a guarantee that they still have unclaimed weapons they maintain for themselves while selling the lesser effective ones to rouge countries and groups. There is still a threat internal to russia that is also a threat to us as well, dont kid yourselfs — That is why our government keeps an eye on them.

Byron Skinner is an unmitigated fool and apologist for the Russians. The treaty diminishes out capabilities and gives the Russians every advantage. The US has hundreds of tactical nuclear systems even though they may not be deployed. The Heritage Foundation is a patriotic think tank with expertise in all aspects who does their research and develops correct conclusions. One can never have enough nucs to deal with Russia, China, N.Korea, etc. The treaty completely dismisses growing Chinese capabilities. I’ve been studying military history and weapons systems for nearly 50 years with a lot of resources on hand.

Excuse me, somehow my previous comment was incomplete. What I meant to say is that if an enemy (say Iran) deploys tactical nuclear weapons, we need to either have our own stockpile or step things up to launching SLBMs and ICBMs. I am not concerned about the Russians. However this treaty does nothing regarding their tactical nuclear stockpile but at the same time we are scrapping our nuclear Tomahawk cruise missiles by our own choice. IIRC this new START also severely limits the use of MIRVs, which also does not work out in our favor.

Pat Patterson, what advantages do the Russians have under the treaty? What are China’s growing nuclear capabilities? How does the treaty limit out ability to develop missile defense? You might be right, but that last post was pure conjecture. With 50 years under your belt, I expect convincing answers.

Oh ok now I understand.

the “obsolete” strategy of deterrence?? … Huh? When did deterrence become obsolete? Did I miss a nuclear attack or two?

What we’re saying here is that “blow up the planet” is not an appropriate response to North Korea threatening to launch its only nuclear missile at Tokyo.

Good Morning Folks,

I see the personal attack crew is out, I hope Heritage is paying you guys well.

To respond to some of the one legitimate question. The Russian Bulava that was to be tested in June has been change to to late November and the missiles for testing has changed from five to three. It would appear that The Russian Federation has yet to over come the GEM problem it has been have in a solid fueled ICBM. Both the Bulava and Topol M share the same problem. RIA Novosti said in January that if the tests, that are on hold fail again The Russian Federation most likely will scrap the Bulava/Topol M missile and start all over.

If the tests in now in November fail, it will be at least another ten years, most likely longer before The Russian Federation could have a working solid fueled ICBM or SS-N. You won’t find this information in anything by those Peculiar Institutions of right wing tanks. It doesn’t fit the Myths that they are selling.

Since the antebellums are just mouthing off with no evidence to support their claims, I will go on to another Heritage Foundation attempt at mid 20th, Century Northern European propaganda. In todays WSJ a signed editorial by the Heritage Foundation’s by one Brian Riedl: “The Bush Tax Cuts and the Deficit Myth”. Of course the reason for the escalating national debt is all the fault of President Obama.

For the “Obama” social programs Mr. Riedl uses CBO numbers which include inflation compounded at about 2% per year into the end number.

The deficit bad boys are the standard wingers items Social Security ($9.2 Trillion), anti poverty programs ($7 trillion), medicare ($5.4 trillion)net debt interest ($6.1 trillion) and non defense discretionary spending ($7.5 trillion) now when it comes to defense spending Mr. Riedl changes from CBO ten year to the current, low ball of $535 billion. Clever.

If you take that low ball number, which by the way doesn’t include the $415 billion in the budget for fight the wars, hey the DoD doesn’t exist to fight wars, damn it, the CBO number would be $6.08 trillion.

Of course Mr. Riedl forgets to mention the $7–8 trillion the Bush (43) administration used to bail out Wall Street most of which is now sitting in Freddy and Fanny in the form of junk mortgage paper, it is noted that trading of these mortgage funds was suspended last week on the NYSE. In short all that money spent by the Bush admin. is in the crapper.

Other item Mr. Riedl forgets, I’m assuming for lack of space are the budget busters of the Agriculture, Transportation and Energy programs, which of course are huge redistribution of tax payers money to companies, who many of them pay Heritage to lobby for them.

I will let the readers make up their own mind what kind of “Patriotic” Foundation the Heritage Foundation is, and why the only way they are able to respond to me is with personal attacks, which the editors of this site have said that I am not to respond in kind.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Good Afternoon Folks,

An update as of a few minutes ago on the Buala and Topol M missiles. It appears that The Russian Federation is going back to the drawing board. RIA Novosti quoted a source that The Russian Federation will test from 10–12 ICBM’s a year for the next ten years, have to see t happen but it appears that they can’t solve the GEM problem.

Meanwhile over in the White Sea, the two Bony SSBM’s (this appears to be the end of the Bony class), one is ready to go the second is in sea trials and is expected to be ready by late September. A good source on Russian Subs indicates that the two Bony’s instead of sitting and rotting in the White Sea for at least ten years will be converted to Ohio style SSM’s and sent to the Black Sea.

I know this doesn’t fit with the evil empire of the American right wing, and their love of nuc’s and Missile Defense Systems, but the bad guys have no nuc’s. Just who are we protecting ourselves against, why are we spending hundreds of $ billion for defense from something that is not there, other then the over active right winger imaginations?

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

“I see the personal attack crew is out…”

I think that Stage Four of being a kook is to decide that you must be on to something because there’s no way that so many people would disagree with an Obvious Genius-Level Intellect–and that all the people who call you an idiot are just Hired Attack Dogs.

Apostrophe questions? Try http://​www​.angryflower​.com/​b​o​b​s​q​u​.​gif

Without the US nuclear umbrella to protect them, isn’t it logical to assume that non-nuclear nations such as Australia and Japan will develop their own nukes to deter China, North Korea, etc.?

Good Morning Folks,

To LLC. Who said anything about the US giving up nuclear weapons, I’m not going to get into numbers that become classified after being published, but I think its very safe to assume that at the proposed Treaty Levels the US will have more deployable nuclear weapons that all the other nuclear countries will have together.

Those countries that are a distant second place in the weapons count are the UK and France. I think the last time we went to war with the UK was 198 years ago and I don’t think we have ever been at war with France. I think they are OK as allies.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Australia will not touch nukes. They have great difficulty in even contemplating nuclear power for their energy needs. Hard to say with Japan, with their position on nuclear weapons and their current debate on militarization.… again unlikely but N.Korean saber rattling may provide an incentive.

Still, the debate is unnecessary — US nukes wont be disappearing from the region.

I see the paranoia has really set in Byron. I wasn’t aware I was an attack dog hired by the Heritage Foundation to harass you and you alone. So where is my paycheck from them?

the heritage foundation is absolutely AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what are you talking about!?

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