Comments on: Israel, U.S. Close on F-35 Deal http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/ Online Defense and Acquisition Journal Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:06:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: GLADE8ORhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28734 GLADE8OR Wed, 04 Aug 2010 01:47:53 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28734 Greetings Silver Lady, I did watch them both. A couple of points I do agree with you...Obama is a Muslim! No doubt about it. Additionally, and he is not a legal American! He is by far the worst thing that has ever happened to this Country. God help us! You are also right, the majority of Israel are not the Jews of the Bible...but then again if you think about it, even the Jews of the Bible Times had major issues despite God continually having mercy upon them, giving them 2nd, 3rd, etc chances. How soon did they forgot about God's miraculous delivery of them from Egypt and how quickly they turned back to Idolatry and forgetting God (just one example). In the end many Jews will be "saved" but even more will perish having rejected Christ. I know some Messianic Jews and they know the same in Israel. I just know what it says in the Bible about those that come against Israel vs those who bless them. Not my words...God's Words. When you think about it we can really question a lot of the things that we throw our hard earned US tax dollars at...right? Thank-you for the info...as I have time I will be sure to look into it. Greetings Silver Lady, I did watch them both. A couple of points I do agree with you…Obama is a Muslim! No doubt about it. Additionally, and he is not a legal American! He is by far the worst thing that has ever happened to this Country. God help us! You are also right, the majority of Israel are not the Jews of the Bible…but then again if you think about it, even the Jews of the Bible Times had major issues despite God continually having mercy upon them, giving them 2nd, 3rd, etc chances. How soon did they forgot about God’s miraculous delivery of them from Egypt and how quickly they turned back to Idolatry and forgetting God (just one example). In the end many Jews will be “saved” but even more will perish having rejected Christ. I know some Messianic Jews and they know the same in Israel. I just know what it says in the Bible about those that come against Israel vs those who bless them. Not my words…God’s Words. When you think about it we can really question a lot of the things that we throw our hard earned US tax dollars at…right? Thank-you for the info…as I have time I will be sure to look into it.

]]> By: Silver Ladyhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28353 Silver Lady Sun, 25 Jul 2010 23:34:25 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28353 Did you watch either of the two movies? I bet not. Please do. Israel relentlessly attacked the US Liberty in 1967 at the beginning of the 6 day War. They killed 34 American military and wounded another 174. After that they killed thousands & thousands of Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians etc. in order to conquer their land. Land that the U.N. gave them in 1948, without any authority to do so. (Res. 181) You should roam around in the official site for the USS Liberty Memorial: <a href="http://www.gtr5.com/" target="_blank">http://www.gtr5.com/</a> They have committed many crimes, get away with all of them, and the U.S. just keeps sending them more money. Research exactly where "Israel" was in the bible, not where it is now. The jews of the current Israel are 90% Ashkenazi jews of eastern European dissent. Read "The Synagogue of Satan", these jews do not think Jesus was the Messiah. Research Mossad assassinations/terrorism historically. Why the U.S. keeps giving them our taxdollars is beyond me. Obama bows to a Saudi king because he is a Muslim. Watch this movie. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY</a> Did you watch either of the two movies? I bet not. Please do. Israel relentlessly attacked the US Liberty in 1967 at the beginning of the 6 day War. They killed 34 American military and wounded another 174. After that they killed thousands & thousands of Egyptians, Syrians, Jordanians etc. in order to conquer their land. Land that the U.N. gave them in 1948, without any authority to do so. (Res. 181) You should roam around in the official site for the USS Liberty Memorial: http://www.gtr5.com/ They have committed many crimes, get away with all of them, and the U.S. just keeps sending them more money.

Research exactly where “Israel” was in the bible, not where it is now. The jews of the current Israel are 90% Ashkenazi jews of eastern European dissent. Read “The Synagogue of Satan”, these jews do not think Jesus was the Messiah. Research Mossad assassinations/terrorism historically. Why the U.S. keeps giving them our taxdollars is beyond me.

Obama bows to a Saudi king because he is a Muslim. Watch this movie. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

]]> By: Guesthttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28306 Guest Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:22:24 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28306 I'm with you, brother. It's just that the prez has crapped on Israel so much as of late, I was a little excited that we were willing to sell them anything. I’m with you, brother. It’s just that the prez has crapped on Israel so much as of late, I was a little excited that we were willing to sell them anything.

]]> By: GLADE8ORhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28282 GLADE8OR Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:30:40 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28282 Nice rhetorical question highlanderjuan! I only hope the USA remains a strong ally/supporter to Israel and does not turn our back on them. For support of that position see what happens to those who come against Israel (check out "Genesis 12:1-3 & Zechariah 12:1-5") & at the end of "The Book"...Israel will prevail. The "current: Administration has not shown much in the area of respect to Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. Nice rhetorical question highlanderjuan! I only hope the USA remains a strong ally/supporter to Israel and does not turn our back on them. For support of that position see what happens to those who come against Israel (check out “Genesis 12:1–3 & Zechariah 12:1–5″) & at the end of “The Book”…Israel will prevail.

The “current: Administration has not shown much in the area of respect to Israel’s Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

]]> By: GLADE8ORhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28174 GLADE8OR Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:08:06 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28174 Also on the topic of conspiracy theories...I suppose some of you out there think landing on the Moon was also a lie, hoax & conspiracy (see a recent episode of "Myth Busters" for your answers to that). People need to get over this paranoid conspiracy theory mentality. Also keep in mind that we (the USA) have had our fair share of Friendly Fire/Accidental incidences. Also on the topic of conspiracy theories…I suppose some of you out there think landing on the Moon was also a lie, hoax & conspiracy (see a recent episode of “Myth Busters” for your answers to that). People need to get over this paranoid conspiracy theory mentality.

Also keep in mind that we (the USA) have had our fair share of Friendly Fire/Accidental incidences.

]]> By: GLADE8ORhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28173 GLADE8OR Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:04:09 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28173 You cannot lump all Jews together no more than you can lump all Americans together. You need to look into God's word (The Bible you reference) a little deeper and read about what happens to those who come against Israel versus those who "Bless" Israel (check out "Genesis 12:1-3 & Zechariah 12:1-5"). If one looks at just some recent events in America, a lot of bad things have happened on the heals of our lack of support of Israel on various fronts (Happenstance…maybe?!). Or how about the disrespect to Israel's Leaders (like the recent meeting in March at the White House with President Obama and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu). Obama will 'clearly' bow to a Saudi King, but disrespect the Israeli Prime Minister as he did. Give me a break! Also, don't forget the End of the Book and know that Israel will prevail! This is the answer to "highlanderjuan's" question (rhetorical as it is) as to which country would you bet will last the longest? You cannot lump all Jews together no more than you can lump all Americans together. You need to look into God’s word (The Bible you reference) a little deeper and read about what happens to those who come against Israel versus those who “Bless” Israel (check out “Genesis 12:1–3 & Zechariah 12:1–5″).

If one looks at just some recent events in America, a lot of bad things have happened on the heals of our lack of support of Israel on various fronts (Happenstance…maybe?!). Or how about the disrespect to Israel’s Leaders (like the recent meeting in March at the White House with President Obama and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu). Obama will ‘clearly’ bow to a Saudi King, but disrespect the Israeli Prime Minister as he did. Give me a break!

Also, don’t forget the End of the Book and know that Israel will prevail! This is the answer to “highlanderjuan’s” question (rhetorical as it is) as to which country would you bet will last the longest?

]]> By: highlanderjuanhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28137 highlanderjuan Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:05:04 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28137 Let's do a comparison of Israel, with all of its defenses (now including the F-35), and of the United States which chooses to leave its borders wide open and vulnerable to enemy and criminal encroachment and invasion. So, which country would you bet will last the longest? Let’s do a comparison of Israel, with all of its defenses (now including the F-35), and of the United States which chooses to leave its borders wide open and vulnerable to enemy and criminal encroachment and invasion.

So, which country would you bet will last the longest?

]]> By: highlanderjuanhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28136 highlanderjuan Thu, 22 Jul 2010 13:58:44 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28136 It would seem that the message is now out to Iran, and to their other Middle Eastern enemies, that Israel isn't screwing around when it comes to their own (Israeli) defense. It would also seem the round trip flight distance problem will be quickly solved so that the Iranian nuclear targets are more easily attainable by Israel. Or maybe I should have said 'accessible.' It would seem that the message is now out to Iran, and to their other Middle Eastern enemies, that Israel isn’t screwing around when it comes to their own (Israeli) defense. It would also seem the round trip flight distance problem will be quickly solved so that the Iranian nuclear targets are more easily attainable by Israel. Or maybe I should have said ‘accessible.’

]]> By: Gremlin_61http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28111 Gremlin_61 Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:21:21 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28111 So let me see if I got this right... Isreal buys the planes with at least some US Aid Money. They test, modify and (knowing Isreali technical expertise) improve a jet with massive budget & production problems; Sell the patents on the mod's back to the US so they can buy more US made weapons with US dollars? Interesting.... Anyone wanna loan me a couple billion so I can get started too? So let me see if I got this right… Isreal buys the planes with at least some US Aid Money. They test, modify and (knowing Isreali technical expertise) improve a jet with massive budget & production problems; Sell the patents on the mod’s back to the US so they can buy more US made weapons with US dollars? Interesting.… Anyone wanna loan me a couple billion so I can get started too?

]]> By: Les Le Gearhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28093 Les Le Gear Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:49:46 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28093 I believe about 75% of the annual US aid to Israel is spent on purchases of US arms. Wouldn't that include this new plane? IMO the money comes back to US companies and their employees. I believe about 75% of the annual US aid to Israel is spent on purchases of US arms. Wouldn’t
that include this new plane? IMO the money comes back to US companies and their employees.

]]> By: aeroxavierhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28075 aeroxavier Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:38:26 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28075 don't forget one things, USA give all years 3bn $ for israel defense. if for one year they take 2 for boost f-35 prod and give the impression of the program ("see, other country buy it.."), that give good things to all partners who was suspicious or cut the command or make one "wait and see". that's big shit USA buy 19 plane and give them to israel, nothing more. That's one propaganda for the f-35, what else? seriously? don’t forget one things, USA give all years 3bn $ for israel defense.
if for one year they take 2 for boost f-35 prod and give the impression of the program (“see, other country buy it..”), that give good things to all partners who was suspicious or cut the command or make one “wait and see”.
that’s big shit
USA buy 19 plane and give them to israel, nothing more. That’s one propaganda for the f-35, what else? seriously?

]]> By: SilverLadyhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28072 SilverLady Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:06:57 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28072 It is beyond my comprehension as to why the U.S. taxpayer sends a nickel to Israel. The Jews of Israel are not the Jews of the Bible. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujoc1DYjuPE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujoc1DYjuPE</a> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q7yEnMjQ6U&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q7yEnMjQ6U&fe...</a> What do you think? It is beyond my comprehension as to why the U.S. taxpayer sends a nickel to Israel. The Jews of Israel are not the Jews of the Bible.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujoc1DYjuPE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q7yEnMjQ6U&fe…

What do you think?

]]> By: AJMBLAZERhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28067 AJMBLAZER Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:35:50 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28067 Oh, and everyone always brings up the aid we give them but no one ever mentions all the Israeli developed weaponry that we now use (lots of guided munitions), defacto weapons testing they did, and upgrades to our equipment that came about because of them using/improving stuff we sold them. It doesn't only go one way. Oh, and everyone always brings up the aid we give them but no one ever mentions all the Israeli developed weaponry that we now use (lots of guided munitions), defacto weapons testing they did, and upgrades to our equipment that came about because of them using/improving stuff we sold them.

It doesn’t only go one way.

]]> By: AJMBLAZERhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28066 AJMBLAZER Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:30:10 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28066 19 will be the initial order. They'll receive them and then test and figure things out and more will come. The same happened with the F-16, F-15, F-4, A-4, etc. 19 will be the initial order. They’ll receive them and then test and figure things out and more will come. The same happened with the F-16, F-15, F-4, A-4, etc.

]]> By: William C.http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28058 William C. Wed, 21 Jul 2010 06:01:51 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28058 The range of the F-35 on internal fuel should be comparable to the latest F-16E/F with conformal fuel tanks and and one or two external drop tanks. The F-15I with conformal fuel tanks probably has the range advantage however. The range of the F-35 on internal fuel should be comparable to the latest F-16E/F with conformal fuel tanks and and one or two external drop tanks. The F-15I with conformal fuel tanks probably has the range advantage however.

]]> By: William C.http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28057 William C. Wed, 21 Jul 2010 05:57:07 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28057 I am a pretty big supporter of Israel, but that said there is no reason we should still be giving them monetary aid. Their own defense industry is pretty productive these days, and they can certainly afford to buy what they get from us without our money. I am a pretty big supporter of Israel, but that said there is no reason we should still be giving them monetary aid. Their own defense industry is pretty productive these days, and they can certainly afford to buy what they get from us without our money.

]]> By: Jacobhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28055 Jacob Wed, 21 Jul 2010 05:37:14 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28055 Can the F-35 even reach Iran? I hear it has an even shorter range than the F-16 and F-15. Can the F-35 even reach Iran? I hear it has an even shorter range than the F-16 and F-15.

]]> By: seesthrubshttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28048 seesthrubs Wed, 21 Jul 2010 04:11:11 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28048 What I find farcical is that this potential *sale* of a mere 19 aircraft may be touted as a barometer of the health of the program and the success/justification of the aircraft. 19 aircraft of a supposed 3000+ total is what, .6%. The word desperate and the term 'clutching at straws' comes to mind. What I find farcical is that this potential *sale* of a mere 19 aircraft may be touted as a barometer of the health of the program and the success/justification of the aircraft. 19 aircraft of a supposed 3000+ total is what, .6%. The word desperate and the term ‘clutching at straws’ comes to mind.

]]> By: Shelleyhttp://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28043 Shelley Wed, 21 Jul 2010 02:39:15 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28043 I have to say E_L_P..you are right on the mark. I have to say E_L_P..you are right on the mark.

]]> By: William C.http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/20/israel-u-s-close-on-f-35/#comment-28034 William C. Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:27:08 +0000 http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16382#comment-28034 Call it lunacy but I think Lockheed can build the thing at a realistic ($60-$70 mil) price tag, there are some smart people there. Call it lunacy but I think Lockheed can build the thing at a realistic ($60-$70 mil) price tag, there are some smart people there.

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