<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: Will Mattis Push COIN Plane?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/</link> <description>Online Defense and Acquisition Journal</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:49:43 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Jay Citizen</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-29293</link> <dc:creator>Jay Citizen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:47:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-29293</guid> <description>Yeah the A-10 has a wonderful loiter time, but we are talking big fuel tanks on that bird too?! The Enforcer had the worlds record for weight of ordinance held back when Piper developed it. I&#039;m sure it would carry more that that turkey vulture pictured in the article. Plus it was armored up for fighting in Vietnam. The P-51 airframe may be obsolete, but it survived a lot of flak and fighter interference, and it was a tested design. I only offer it as an example of an historic attempt to come up with the best in CAS. Maybe we should revisit that history for the reasons I&#039;ve already stated. Your right, that it needs an on board cannon, but they have chain guns that compare to the GAU-8 now-a-days. Also, I&#039;m reading that the new telescopic ammo is doing so well, they even have an M-4 adapted to it! This could save a butt load on weight for the new platform. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah the A-10 has a wonderful loiter time, but we are talking big fuel tanks on that bird too?!</p><p>The Enforcer had the worlds record for weight of ordinance held back when Piper developed it. I’m sure it would carry more that that turkey vulture pictured in the article. Plus it was armored up for fighting in Vietnam.</p><p>The P-51 airframe may be obsolete, but it survived a lot of flak and fighter interference, and it was a tested design. I only offer it as an example of an historic attempt to come up with the best in CAS. Maybe we should revisit that history for the reasons I’ve already stated. Your right, that it needs an on board cannon, but they have chain guns that compare to the GAU-8 now-a-days. Also, I’m reading that the new telescopic ammo is doing so well, they even have an M-4 adapted to it! This could save a butt load on weight for the new platform.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: William C.</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-29289</link> <dc:creator>William C.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:29:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-29289</guid> <description>The A-10 has always had good loiter time, I don&#039;t know why people say it doesn&#039;t have enough. And the turbofans should be using less fuel than a F-15E or fast-mover. And unless it is a big turbo-prop, I don&#039;t think your getting the weapons load or 30mm GAU-8/A. I like the prospect or a true attack aircraft. But for all this effort we might as well build a true successor to the A-10. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The A-10 has always had good loiter time, I don’t know why people say it doesn’t have enough. And the turbofans should be using less fuel than a F-15E or fast-mover.</p><p>And unless it is a big turbo-prop, I don’t think your getting the weapons load or 30mm GAU-8/A. I like the prospect or a true attack aircraft. But for all this effort we might as well build a true successor to the A-10.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay Citizen</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-29288</link> <dc:creator>Jay Citizen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:23:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-29288</guid> <description>The only problem is aging, loiter time, and fuel usage; so yeah - it&#039;s broke, but we could get away with not fixing it for a while, but at what mission expense? We may not have the logistics to supply enough fuel and parts to keep an obsolete junker flying in the near future! Using a turbo prop would pay for itself in fuel usage alone, in not too many mission hours!! You would get the same airspeed, and weapons load capacity, so no sacrifice there. We need to think smarter not harder, if we are going to bring the boys home alive. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only problem is aging, loiter time, and fuel usage; so yeah — it’s broke, but we could get away with not fixing it for a while, but at what mission expense? We may not have the logistics to supply enough fuel and parts to keep an obsolete junker flying in the near future!</p><p>Using a turbo prop would pay for itself in fuel usage alone, in not too many mission hours!! You would get the same airspeed, and weapons load capacity, so no sacrifice there. We need to think smarter not harder, if we are going to bring the boys home alive.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: chris</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-29287</link> <dc:creator>chris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:50:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-29287</guid> <description>Amazing how we (America) loves to reinvent the wheel, if its not broke don&#039;t fix it. The A10 is an excellent platform for todays conflict and tomorrow future wars!  What kills me is the Navy/AF will upgrade &quot;fastmovers&quot; on a dime to fit requirements and the ever changing battlefield, example F/A-18, F-16, and F-15. Yet, from my view the A10 has remained the same minus the &quot;high-tech&quot; upgrades, why? Let&#039;s use some common sense for once. The Hog is an effective platform for combating Unconventional Warfare and can make the quick transition to fighting traditional conflict. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing how we (America) loves to reinvent the wheel, if its not broke don’t fix it. The A10 is an excellent platform for todays conflict and tomorrow future wars!  What kills me is the Navy/AF will upgrade “fastmovers” on a dime to fit requirements and the ever changing battlefield, example F/A-18, F-16, and F-15. Yet, from my view the A10 has remained the same minus the “high-tech” upgrades, why? Let’s use some common sense for once. The Hog is an effective platform for combating Unconventional Warfare and can make the quick transition to fighting traditional conflict.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: William C.</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28980</link> <dc:creator>William C.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:05:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28980</guid> <description>I definitely think the PA-48 should be strongly considered in any competition for such an aircraft. It could certainly be updated to modern avionics standards. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely think the PA-48 should be strongly considered in any competition for such an aircraft. It could certainly be updated to modern avionics standards.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: William C.</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28978</link> <dc:creator>William C.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 22:03:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28978</guid> <description>Your probably right about the manner this will be used, when I hear COIN plane I automatically picture strafing runs and low level bombing with dumb ordinance. But my point about weight remains, it is easy to find pictures of damaged P-47s and possibly A-1s that managed to return to base, on one occasion a P-47 returned to base with a large chunk of it&#039;s wing sheered off by AA fire. As engines grew in power during the war, some aircraft took advantage of that power to carry extra armor. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your probably right about the manner this will be used, when I hear COIN plane I automatically picture strafing runs and low level bombing with dumb ordinance. But my point about weight remains, it is easy to find pictures of damaged P-47s and possibly A-1s that managed to return to base, on one occasion a P-47 returned to base with a large chunk of it’s wing sheered off by AA fire. As engines grew in power during the war, some aircraft took advantage of that power to carry extra armor.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay Citizen</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28977</link> <dc:creator>Jay Citizen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:12:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28977</guid> <description>Your probably right there Reed. I&#039;m sure Hawker Beechcraft has more political pull than Piper. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your probably right there Reed. I’m sure Hawker Beechcraft has more political pull than Piper.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay Citizen</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28976</link> <dc:creator>Jay Citizen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:06:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28976</guid> <description>Forgot the link - sorry! &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-48_Enforcer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-48_Enforcer&lt;/a&gt; </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgot the link — sorry!<br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-48_Enforcer" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-48_Enforcer</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay Citizen</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28975</link> <dc:creator>Jay Citizen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:05:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28975</guid> <description>I vote PA-48 designed by Piper, this was designed straight off the P-51 which did survive 14mm akk-akk by the Germans, and I believe, once held the air record for most ordinance carried aloft in a single engine prop plan. We called it the Enforcer; but the name probably didn&#039;t stick. With today&#039;s modern composite bath tub armor, I think it could be a contender! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I vote PA-48 designed by Piper, this was designed straight off the P-51 which did survive 14mm akk-akk by the Germans, and I believe, once held the air record for most ordinance carried aloft in a single engine prop plan. We called it the Enforcer; but the name probably didn’t stick.</p><p>With today’s modern composite bath tub armor, I think it could be a contender!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mike j</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28972</link> <dc:creator>mike j</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:26:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28972</guid> <description>Lots of people harp on that &quot;low and slow&quot; thing, but I doubt that&#039;s how they&#039;ll be used.  All the competing designs have EO scanners, and are required to be able to launch all smaller kinds of missiles and other PGMs up to 500lb LGBs and JDAMs.  That&#039;s not the armament of an in-your-face mudfighter.  It&#039;s more like the fixed wing equivalent of a helo gunship, with about the same load but twice the speed and endurance (at least), and half the cost to buy and maintain. Saying they&#039;re aren&#039;t as tough because they don&#039;t weigh as much, sorry, just isn&#039;t valid. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of people harp on that “low and slow” thing, but I doubt that’s how they’ll be used.  All the competing designs have EO scanners, and are required to be able to launch all smaller kinds of missiles and other PGMs up to 500lb LGBs and JDAMs.  That’s not the armament of an in-your-face mudfighter.  It’s more like the fixed wing equivalent of a helo gunship, with about the same load but twice the speed and endurance (at least), and half the cost to buy and maintain.</p><p>Saying they’re aren’t as tough because they don’t weigh as much, sorry, just isn’t valid.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: William C.</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28962</link> <dc:creator>William C.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:55:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28962</guid> <description>If the EMB-314 or AT-6B can meet that level of survivability, than we should go ahead a buy them, but I simply have some doubts at the moment when I compare these aircraft to something like the big A-1 or P-47. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the EMB-314 or AT-6B can meet that level of survivability, than we should go ahead a buy them, but I simply have some doubts at the moment when I compare these aircraft to something like the big A-1 or P-47.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: William C.</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28961</link> <dc:creator>William C.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:51:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28961</guid> <description>I don&#039;t know about their exact details Mike, but it is clear from weight alone that there isn&#039;t that much room for armor plating. Maybe some kevlar and self-sealing fuel tanks, but I have my doubts if that is enough. These things will be flying low and slow, and when they get close I imagine the Taliban will unload their AKs, RPKs, PKMs, and whatever else they have at the aircraft. If your fighting against a large Taliban force, that is a lot of lead flying you way and you could easily take some hits. Ideally this COIN aircraft would be well protected from hits by rifle caliber ammuntion, and able to survive a hit from HMG calibers in key areas. (The enemy does occasionally use DSHKs and 14.5mm ZPUs) </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know about their exact details Mike, but it is clear from weight alone that there isn’t that much room for armor plating. Maybe some kevlar and self-sealing fuel tanks, but I have my doubts if that is enough.</p><p>These things will be flying low and slow, and when they get close I imagine the Taliban will unload their AKs, RPKs, PKMs, and whatever else they have at the aircraft. If your fighting against a large Taliban force, that is a lot of lead flying you way and you could easily take some hits. Ideally this COIN aircraft would be well protected from hits by rifle caliber ammuntion, and able to survive a hit from HMG calibers in key areas. (The enemy does occasionally use DSHKs and 14.5mm ZPUs)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: mike j</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28957</link> <dc:creator>mike j</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:06:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28957</guid> <description>Your words: - &quot;...the big difference between these COIN aircraft and the old A-1 Skyraider is survivability.&quot; - &quot;I don&#039;t know about the EMB-314 and AT-6B...&quot; So there&#039;s a difference between these aircraft that you don&#039;t know about... ...ok. We&#039;re not exactly re-fighting the Wehrmacht in Afghanistan, y&#039;know.  But yes, it&#039;s good when airplanes can take some hits.  I expect the manufacturers have considered that. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your words:</p><p>- “…the big difference between these COIN aircraft and the old A-1 Skyraider is survivability.”</p><p>- “I don’t know about the EMB-314 and AT-6B…”</p><p>So there’s a difference between these aircraft that you don’t know about…</p><p>…ok.</p><p>We’re not exactly re-fighting the Wehrmacht in Afghanistan, y’know.  But yes, it’s good when airplanes can take some hits.  I expect the manufacturers have considered that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Reed</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28956</link> <dc:creator>Reed</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 16:50:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28956</guid> <description>Jay Citizen referred to the Piper PA48 Enforcer.  I hadn&#039;t heard of it before but it looks like a perfect COIN aircraft.  Fast and more payload than AT-6B/Super Tucano.  Probably too spendy and it would take too long to get in production. I think the best solution is an Army COIN. The ugly, slow, but cheaper Air Tractor. On the realistic, political side, if this is going to happen it will be an Air Force AT-6B. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Citizen referred to the Piper PA48 Enforcer.  I hadn’t heard of it before but it looks like a perfect COIN aircraft.  Fast and more payload than AT-6B/Super Tucano.  Probably too spendy and it would take too long to get in production.</p><p> I think the best solution is an Army COIN. The ugly, slow, but cheaper Air Tractor. On the realistic, political side, if this is going to happen it will be an Air Force AT-6B.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: William C.</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28955</link> <dc:creator>William C.</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:37:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28955</guid> <description>I don&#039;t know about the EMB-314 and AT-6B, but yeah the A-1, P-47, and Tempest had their share of &quot;live-fire testing&quot; in actual combat where they proved they could take a beating. As for my prior comment, I don&#039;t know why it vanished but if it was deleted due to OPSEC reasons I just wanted to state that I don&#039;t believe I did anything wrong there. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know about the EMB-314 and AT-6B, but yeah the A-1, P-47, and Tempest had their share of “live-fire testing” in actual combat where they proved they could take a beating. As for my prior comment, I don’t know why it vanished but if it was deleted due to OPSEC reasons I just wanted to state that I don’t believe I did anything wrong there.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Henry Johnson</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28951</link> <dc:creator>Henry Johnson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:33:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28951</guid> <description>Hi Jay Citizen: One other thing I neglected to say ; The centrifugal force, of the 3- flywheels, assists, causing huge  torque. Our 3&quot; proto-type powered a 350# moped for 1 hour, Conducted by a 3rd party. The batteries were fully charged @ the end of the hour. Shortly we will have a 1 ton truck on the road, for a demo. It will travel thousands of miles with out hydrocarbons. We have encountered a technical problem, of too much electric energy produced, damaging our control system. We appear to have that solved now. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jay Citizen: One other thing I neglected to say ; The centrifugal force, of the 3– flywheels, assists, causing huge  torque.<br /> Our 3″ proto-type powered a 350# moped for 1 hour, Conducted by a 3rd party. The batteries were fully charged @ the end of the hour.<br /> Shortly we will have a 1 ton truck on the road, for a demo. It will travel thousands of miles with out hydrocarbons.<br /> We have encountered a technical problem, of too much electric energy produced, damaging our control system. We appear to have that solved now.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay Citizen</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28925</link> <dc:creator>Jay Citizen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:45:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28925</guid> <description>I&#039;m going to want to see this do actual work, before I will be convinced of this perpetual motion concept. Their have been eons of failure for such claims. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m going to want to see this do actual work, before I will be convinced of this perpetual motion concept. Their have been eons of failure for such claims.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay Citizen</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28924</link> <dc:creator>Jay Citizen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 19:14:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28924</guid> <description>Totally agree Charlie; I&#039;ve always wondered what happened to the PA-48. This was supposedly the prop plane that held the record in ordinance tonnage, but Piper didn&#039;t have the political backing to fund it any further. You can&#039;t tell me the P-51, which this plane was designed after, couldn&#039;t take ground fire, or was not a maneuverable design! And with today&#039;s modern composite armor, it could be a minor kit up job to get it up to snuff. I like that idea better than this new turbo prop; but it would need a new turbo power unit, to get it up to fuel usage requirements - I&#039;m sure. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree Charlie;</p><p>I’ve always wondered what happened to the PA-48. This was supposedly the prop plane that held the record in ordinance tonnage, but Piper didn’t have the political backing to fund it any further.</p><p>You can’t tell me the P-51, which this plane was designed after, couldn’t take ground fire, or was not a maneuverable design! And with today’s modern composite armor, it could be a minor kit up job to get it up to snuff. I like that idea better than this new turbo prop; but it would need a new turbo power unit, to get it up to fuel usage requirements — I’m sure.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay Citizen</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28923</link> <dc:creator>Jay Citizen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:49:37 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28923</guid> <description> Geeze! You hit that on the nail head! </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geeze! You hit that on the nail head!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: TJRedneck</title><link>http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/29/will-mattis-push-coin-plane/#comment-28890</link> <dc:creator>TJRedneck</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:32:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.dodbuzz.com/?p=16627#comment-28890</guid> <description>I agree with whoever said we need upgraded A-10s. That is the ultimate ground support aircraft, the reason that the Generals/politicians want to get rid of it, is because it WORKS! There is NO way in hell that the F-35 can replace the A-10, NO WAY! I don&#039;t even think it will be half as good as most of the aircraft it is supposed to replace. Anyway, they need to take the A-10, put better/faster/more fuel efficient engines on it, give it the latest electronic upgrades, and build it with even stronger materials, and you would have one awesome ground support aircraft. They can park close to the action and deliver hell on the enemy. Good, I&#039;m glad that argument is settled. </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with whoever said we need upgraded A-10s. That is the ultimate ground support aircraft, the reason that the Generals/politicians want to get rid of it, is because it WORKS! There is NO way in hell that the F-35 can replace the A-10, NO WAY! I don’t even think it will be half as good as most of the aircraft it is supposed to replace. Anyway, they need to take the A-10, put better/faster/more fuel efficient engines on it, give it the latest electronic upgrades, and build it with even stronger materials, and you would have one awesome ground support aircraft. They can park close to the action and deliver hell on the enemy. Good, I’m glad that argument is settled.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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