Ospreys May Aid Pakistan Relief

Ospreys May Aid Pakistan Relief

The U.S. aid effort to Pakistan, which has been relatively small so far, may well last more than four months and, if indications from the Pentagon are correct, will also grow in scale.

The man managing the Marine’s response, Brig. Gen. David Berger, said he and his team had been operating on the presumption that the operation would last 30 to 60 days. Now, the head of Marine operations told reporters, the planning window looked more likely to be 90 to 120 days.

Pentagon sources have been at pains to say the U.S. is giving Pakistan everything it has asked for.  So far, that would mean the Pakistanis have only asked for 15 helicopters and three or four C-130s. Given that the head of the United Nations has called this the greatest disaster he had ever seen, this seems a fairly paltry response. Since Ban Ki-Moon was involved with Haitian relief, as well the Chinese earthquake a few years ago, he has seen some pretty impressive disasters.


I asked a senior Pentagon official if it would be fair to say Pakistan does not want more aid, and the official said no. If that’s case, then there can only be two other reasons: Pakistan doesn’t have the capacity to absorb more aid yet or Pakistan is wary of inviting too many Americans in and is gauging public reaction to see if the public would be willing to entertain a greater U.S. presence. Gen. Berger indicated that some of the Pakistani airfields are at or near capacity already, pointing to Ghazi air base. Also, Berger said the Osprey was considered for the relief effort. “We looked at is there a need for them right now. The answer is no,” he said yesterday. But Berger was careful to say they may be used sometime in a month or so. The Marines have targeted the Osprey for just such missions, as this article makes clear.

Another fact that may indicate the Pakistanis are wary of an increased U.S. presence is that every helo and C-130 flight has Pakistani soldiers aboard. And the U.S, for its part is wary as well. News reports from the region say every refugee is screened twice before being allowed aboard an aircraft.

One of the striking things about this disaster to someone who covered half-a-dozen civil wars and two huge famines in Africa are how relatively little public information is available about this disaster so far. Also, U.S. agencies are speaking about it in much more muted tones than they did about Haiti. Perhaps Pakistan does not want the world to now just how bad things are.

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That’s what’s needed — fast less than medium lift.

V-22s were “sent” to Haiti, where they were diverted to Gitmo to keep them out of the way. The Amphibs were busy helicoptering stuff ashore, and didn’t want huge broke down Osprey’s fouling the deck while insisting it is too dangerous for them to carry more than one pallet. V-22 downwash too heavy too. So they flew like airplanes from Gitmo to the PoP airport a few times, until one broke down there for a few days. Meanwhile, helos did the helo thing, like the CH-46Es just did in Pakistan. So the V-22s might do some show PR flights to carry a few VIPs or some stuff to an airport, but they won’t do disaster relief loads.

The MV-22’s are flying combat missions and are taking hostle fire in Afghanistan.

What more do you want Chuck?

22’s are the future. Get over it Phrogs.

The Paki Government is justifiably paranoid about an increased US presence even in a relief effort due to the duplicitous nature of some of their leaders in the flood affected areas. Even in the midst of one of the greatest disasters their nation has ever known, the Paki leadership has a lot of internal issues with its own security to deal with and its no surprise that they are being cautious about accepted US aid.

Outside of the Pakistani leadership, the people love the help they are getting. Win the hearts and minds of the people, you will stand to win the war (whatever war you are fighting at the time). To keep control of the people, it has to appear to outsiders that their leadership is wary of our increased involvement. Thus, the iron fist continues to rule the environment of progress and help.

If we’re out to win hearts and minds, this is a really, really important opportunity to have a strong and visible presence.

I hope we escalate our humanitarian presence in Pakistan. It’s the right thing to do for several reasons.

Something that can carry a decent load of canned food to refugees with no homes would be good. the Osprey may be great for zipping lightly loaded combat groups around and inserting raiding groups, but it can’t carry high volumes of heavy and bulky emergency relief goods. Horses for courses.

As an anology, the MV-22 is a fast cavalry horse, emergency relief needs a loaded bullock cart.

…for a fraction of the $BILLIONS$ wasted on the prima donna MV-22, we coulda’ had next generation AV8B’s, & CH-46’s…Wait until the Pakis start dropping Ospreys like migrating mallards…I hope I’m wrong about that!…Having 1,000 CH-46R’s makes more sense to me, than 100 MV-22’s…

Considering that the “next generation AV-8B” is the JSF at $100 million +, I don’t think your math is working out. Do you really think you can buy ANY modern military helo for $6 million?

And that’s just the helo itself… excluding the various avionic systems, weapon systems, and other branch/mission-specific systems.

And 1000 CH-46Rs require 10x the number of pilots at well over §100k per year not counting the cost of training and proficiency flying. Add in the 5-10x as many ground crew and you are talking real money. Additionally, the Osprey is much better flying over mountains (as opposed to flying in the mountains) since it can fly in airplane mode.

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