$1 TRILLION Bought Older, Smaller Forces; Fix it, Mr. Gates

$1 TRILLION Bought Older, Smaller Forces; Fix it, Mr. Gates

In 1998, the Pentagon budget was at a twenty-three year low at $361 billion (in constant 2010 dollars).  For 2010, the DOD budget was $697 billion (also 2010 dollars, as are all the rest that follow).

According to the analysis of the Project on Defense Alternatives, between 1998 and 2010 Congress appropriated to the Pentagon $2.144 Trillion (with a “T”) more than was anticipated by the 1999 “baseline.”  Of that amount, $1.113 Trillion was spent on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $1.031 Trillion was added to “base” (non-war) Pentagon spending.  (See p. 3 of PDA’s study, “An Undisciplined Defense: Understanding the $2 Trillion Surge in US Defense Spending.”  I basically concur with PDA’s numbers, which are from DoD and OMB budget data as described on p. 61.)

What did you get for that extra $1 Trillion?  Basically, you got a smaller Navy and Air Force and a tiny increase in the size of the Army.  As an extra bonus, the hardware those forces use are now older than they were in the Clinton administration in 1998.


How can that be?

Each year the Defense Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee publishes the size of the major components of the Army, Navy, and Air Force in its committee report for the Department of Defense Appropriations bills.  (Find these data in the early pages of these documents at http://​thomas​.loc​.gov/​h​o​m​e​/​a​p​p​r​o​p​/​a​p​p​1​1​.​h​tml.)  The tables the HAC-D publishes are not particularly user-friendly, but they are an apples to apples count of Army brigades, Navy ships, and Air Force squadrons.

In 1998, the Navy had 333 “battleforce” ships.   (This count includes both SLBM and attack submarines, all active carriers, surface combatants, amphibious warfare ships, combat logistics ships, mine warfare and support ships, and something called “Mobilization Category A” ships.)  In 2010 the Navy lays claim to 287 “battleforce” ships (a decline of 46 ships, or 14 percent).

In 1998, the active duty Air Force, plus the Air National Guard, plus the Air Force Reserve had 108 squadrons of fighter and attack aircraft and long range, heavy bombers.  In 2010 it had 72 of the same, a decline of 36 squadrons or 33 percent.  (This decline may be a conservative estimate; the count of squadrons does not embrace the thinning out of some squadrons; the count of actual combat aircraft may have declined more than the count of squadrons.)

The Army is an exception, but the amount of increase is rather pathetic.  In 1998, the Army tallied 10 divisions plus three independent brigades.  I calculate that to amount to 43 brigade combat team equivalents (based on the number of maneuver battalions in classic divisions and in modern brigade combat teams).  In 2010, the Army tallied 1 division, plus 42 Heavy, Infantry, and Stryker brigades, making a total of 46 combat brigade equivalents.  That’s an increase of three brigade combat team equivalents, or 7 percent.

The cost of that Army “expansion” was considerable.  Army appropriations in 1998 were $90.5 billion (2010$); in 2010 the non-war (base) Army appropriation request was $140.3 billion (2010$).  A 55 percent increase in money produced a 7 percent increase in the force.  (Again, this calculation is conservative, Army war funding, not counted here, has included significant amounts for base-Army activities, such as “modularity” [i.e. converting from divisions to brigade combat teams]).

The substantially smaller, much more expensive defense inventory is not — on average — newer and more high tech.  It is older (in adition to being smaller).  As the Congressional Budget Office has periodically assessed, not only have most parts of our hardware inventory grown older, the officially approved plan is mostly for that negative trend to continue.  (See CBO’s analysis [“The Long-Term Implications of Current Defense Plans: Detailed Update for Fiscal Year 2008″] at http://​www​.cbo​.gov/​d​o​c​.​c​f​m​?​i​n​d​e​x​=​9​043. )

Donald Rumsfeld (2001–2006) is generally acknowledged to be the most incompetent secretary of defense since — well — Donald Rumsfeld (1975–1977).  Since 2006, his successor has come to seek some terminations in DOD acquisitions — most prominently the F-22 — and to transfer $102 billion from overhead (bloat) to “force structure” (hardware).  However, the last two DOD Selected Acquisition Reports (available at http://​www​.acq​.osd​.mil/​a​r​a​/​a​m​/​s​ar/) show the number of major defense acquisition programs to have increased from 89 to 91 programs, and GAO has measured the cost growth as now larger than even. (See GAO’s two reports, “Defense Acquisitions: Assessments of Selected Weapon Programs” for 2009 and 2010 [GAO-09-326SP and GAO-10-388SP] at www​.gao​.gov.)   Finally, that $102 billion efficiency drive being pursued by Secretary Gates is over five years.  The current Pentagon budget plan is to spend $3.245 Trillion over that period.  In other words, the much touted Gates plan would shift from overhead to hardware just 3 percent of the planned spending.

If the soft-spoken Secretary Gates is to avoid the derision generally slung at the blustering Secretary Rumsfeld, the former will need to do more — a lot more — to evade a legacy of failure.  Gates’ highly effective soft spoken technique of overpowering Congress when he wants to. and his mutually reinforcing relationship with President Obama will be seen by history as wasted assets if the secretary does not not mobilize them for a far more pervasive program of real reform to help the Pentagon survive, even prosper, in the coming age of scarce money.

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One day freefallingbomb, maybe one day. But what this does show is that the United States, and indeed the world, cannot afford the return of a Republican administration. As night follows day a new republican administration will get the US involved in yet another conflict thus breaking the back whats left of the US economy and thus plunging the world economy into further despair and further encourage the move away from the US as the primary economic force. The US needs to get out of Afghanistan and take a ‘time-out’ to build up their forces, *IF* such force levels are even necessary. That is the number one question.

Mr Gates and his predecessor made the mistake of cutting too many active programs due to the promise of something “better” down the line. Consider the Crusader, RAH-66, and other programs Rumsfeld killed due to the whole greater FCS vision. Now Gates comes in, cancels the F-22 in favor of more F-35s, and cancels most of FCS.

While the FCS program may well have deserved to been canceled, we are still largely back where we where in 1998 in terms of the armored fighting vehicle development. And the Army seems as confused as ever as to what they should aim for with their next generation of AFVs. The lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan may have a harmful effect when it comes to our trucks and “tactical vehicles”. JLTV for example, a vehicle which is supposed to replace the HMMWV, is now expected to provide protection levels comparable to much larger and heavier MRAPs. Gates plans to incorporate MRAPs into our future force structure is also problematic, as most of these MRAPs are truly specialized equipment.

The Navy has it’s own set of issues I’ll go into later.

Why must this be a coming age of scare money for the Pentagon? Maybe the stars will align and we will get some half-way competent leaders in Washington… or not.

olddawg, actually the troops will be needed for when the wheels fall of the Obama gravy train. The level of giveways is not sustainable, and when it crashes it’ll be worse than the riots in Greece.

Good Evening Folks,

What’s Wheelers point?

He forgot to mention we didn’t buy any new horses for the Calvary Units, we didn’t buy any new Battleships, Cruisers or Colliers for the Navy.

This article, I guess attempts to equate force quality and force readiness with the expenditures of larger and larger amounts for money on needless platforms and systems.

Mr Wheeler is totally off the mark here. The coming generation of uniformed leaders are not talking about bigger forces with more of everything but the opposite. Smaller forces doing more, leaving a smaller foot print, reduction of collateral damage and that dreaded term nation building.

The old way of making war that Mr. Wheeler and his ink appears to favor of bomb the crap out of them, go ing with a large force killer ‘em all, build large logistic bases and kill more of them and them leave is not on the table any more.

Bellow are some of the current topics of interest to the next generation of US military leaders that they are talking about.

This past week of just chatting with and some formal/informal discussions with these officers dealt with how to economically convert abundant local natural gas supplies into electrical power and to provide power to water processing plants and distribution systems that the locals can be trained to operate in Afghanistan.

How to apply current agricultural mechanization technology and bio-tech to Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan to make them net exporters of food to the region.

Prefabbed energy efficient school buildings that can be erected by local labor and supervision.

Fighting vehicles, missiles, UAV’s, ships, planes etc. were of little interest to these officers, winning in Iraq and Afghanistan and dealing with the emerging threats in the Islamic Republics was.

A discussion on software defined radio and remote sensors quickly turned into how could the US support a communication and information infrastructure in a country that was infested with terrorists.

Mr. Wheeler is in a self imposed dreamland that lacks any relationship with reality.

ALLONS,

Byron Skinner

KMB…the same give outs you are probably receiving and wanting to cut to spite your face is the ones keeping troops fighting the war in the ‘Stan, and not here at home keeping the peace. See, we have a culture in blame the other person,especially when it comes to defense spending. See the reason we have old equipment and very little to show for all the money we have thrown at other programs is because of mismanagement by budget counters inside of the Pentagon, and the idea that all programs must be gold plated and do everything but make dinner. Too many requirements for which the ideas conceived can actually perform when made into the actual product. If any real change is to take place in the defense department,then we need to get out of the mind set that we have to have the most expensive do everything performing piece of equipment, and start back at the basics.…performance, reliability,and survivability. And unless that happens, then we will be wasting money like we have always done.

Well the CDI people never feel the Secretary of Defense does enough, while others thinks he is doing too much. Ultimately, there are so many parochial interests involved that it’s unrealistic to expect one man in one to be able to turn things around.

Speaking of seeing thru you know what, I invite you to look at the CBO charts Mr. Wheeler provided that graphically illustrate the 1990s procurement holiday, only matched by the hollow services during the mid to late 70’s that required the Reagan build-up that won the Cold War. Can’t recall George Bush Sr inviting Hussein to invade Kuwait or his son inviting 9/11. Clinton had his own war and longer stability operation yet did little to upgrade Joint forces participating.

In the USSR’s absence, a smaller quality military is OK with costly stealth and other systems driven by air defense and other threats, just as Naval systems will adjust to missile threats. Given higher costs of personnel, retirement, and medical care, a smaller military is inevitable, IMHO, to afford just to sustain current equipment levels. That is not a problem. It’s part of the solution.

Agreed. The good Mr. Gates has inherited a No-Win situation. Damned if he does and damned if he don’t. I wish him only the best as his heart is in the right place but between the entrenched incompetents in the Pentagon and special interests in Congress I fear he may fall short.

The shrink is due to the continual move towards quantum-leap technologies and generation-jumping. The United States already enjoys a tremendous advantage in military technology and high-level strategic hardware (satellite network, naval power projection, etc.) I honestly think that the DoD would be better off focusing on incremental improvements like block upgrades and cheap technologies like boomerang and doubling the time between major revolutions in technology.

Remember; when you make a tremendous jump in military technology, you force your enemies to either invest in maintaining parity, or accept a major disadvantage. That sounds like a good position in a vacuum, but in reality, it leads to military alliances, weapons proliferation (look at the state of anti-shipping missiles), and arms races. Just something to consider.

Lots of good comments here! Except mine.

The cost of the wars is not on the military but on congress itself. If congress had stayed out of it and let the military do what it was sent in to do the cost would had been minimal and we would had been done in under a year, but half way into bagdad they had to stick thier noses in and start the humanitarian mission stuff all over again which has been our Achillies in every war since Mc Arthur did the hearts and minds speech in Japan (the hearts and minds aftermath cost more than the actual battles of WWll). A better way of doing business is needed in acquisitions definately, but for now the ARMY & MARINES need to concentrate on basic combat skills and gear, forget about high tech garbage and leave that to the NAVY & AF, who need to take a step back and look at what is needed now and not 10 or 20 yrs from now because it will be out dated by then..

To the poster “@Earlydawn”

You wrote: “The shrink is due to the continual move towards quantum-leap technologies and generation-jumping.”

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The move is there and it’s natural and laudable too. In my opinion, it’s rather the ambition to confront EVERY ENEMY EVERYWHERE that’s unsustainable and ultimately self-defeating, even with – or: Exactly because of… – these expensive quantum weapons.

Why?

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1) ABOUT THE QUALITY OF QUANTUM WEAPONS

I used to think that quantum-leap warfare is linear, like air defense, Space war and underwater warfare, and the side whose wonder-weapon is just 1 % better than the other side’s wonder-weapon inexorably wins everything. (Unlike for example Infantry warfare, where too many uncontrollable variables still allow nasty surprises to happen. Think of Vietnam, Mogadishu and Afghanistan)

But now, as China, Russia and even India amass their own “merely 99 % perfect” (but 60 % cheaper…) quantum weapons, I feel that my conviction is possibly, somehow, slowly, eroding. Maybe some factor eludes me…

Also: If non-U.S. American engineers invent something that doesn’t necessarily mirror the U.S. American military trends and priorities (components, or even whole systems like jets, V-2s, Sputniks, Alfa subs, hyper-speed torpedoes and anti-carrier I.C.B.M.s etc.), then large quantities of 99 % good weapons can still threaten fewer 100 % perfect U.S. American weapons.

And are all your quantum weapons even certifiably quantum in the first place, or at least certifiably functional?

(Didn’t they chant sublimely about the radar-invisible F-117 too, before its first flight over a 50 years old, rusting Serbian SA-2 in a pigsty?)

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2) ABOUT THE QUANTITY OF QUANTUM WEAPONS

Right now, the U.S.A. face a simple strategic choice: Prepare either
a) for the many future low-intensity conflicts which this chaotic, multi-polar World generates,
or
b) EXCLUSIVELY against (non-existing) first-class enemies – but then lose all manki wars like Afghanistan and Iraq in return.
But not only do the U.S.A. feel optimistic about beating every other Super-power and emerging Super-power out there (and unilaterally too, unprovoked), as well as they arm themselves for BOTH types of warfare: That’s why they’re SIMULTANEOUSLY ordering C.O.I.N. planes and F-22s, M.R.A.P.s and F.C.S., E.F.V.s + L.C.S.’s and Gerald Ford class carriers!

That’s like buying hunting rifles and shotguns of ALL calibres for ALL kinds of game. You need to be able to afford it, preferably also to have no other expenses at home.

I don’t know if it’s the U.S.A.’s imperial hubris, megalomania, unilateralism, Anglo kinship, racism, uncontrolled aggressivity, the deep traumas of military defeats, irrational refusal to adapt or to downsize (even temporarily), anti-Communist paranoia, A.I.P.A.C. / obvious false-flag attacks, irrelevant national and protectionist arms programs just to stimulate the Economy, military-industrial complex lobbyists ( = institutionalized corruption), pork spending, war as forward flight from economical collapse (jobs, oil-theft wars), or really just the legitimate defense of a Super-power’s peaceful economical overseas interests that drive the present strategic NON-choice, but the overall result certainly doesn’t look very defensive and charismatic. (As you see: I’m not even suggesting minimally against which kind of enemy the U.S.A. should muster themselves. Actually, I’m even trying to figure out who threatens the U.S.A. in the first place, or their God-damned “open sea lanes” ! And nukes??)

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To the poster “seesthrubs”

You wrote: “…the United States, and indeed the world, cannot afford the return of a Republican administration.”

1) One (thumbs up) recommendation from me.

2) Question: In Democracy, how do you forbid the people to vote for the likes of Hitler, Chavez, Bush, Hamas, Netanyahu, or for the next U.S. President, Sarah Palin?

By “teaching the masses” ? It’s going to be their doom, man, and you just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. (Happens to a lot of good people)

Did the analysis adequately account for the increased wear and tear on equipment? The far higher OPTEMPO has caused a lot of wear and tear on equipment which must then be replaced. In some sense the replacement would be “new” but I’m not sure it would look that way in the analysis since it would be replaced by tech from the same era (in other words, you wear out an M4 and it will be replace by another M4 rather than by a newer and better rifle).

I think a good part of the mentality from those officers were shaped during the post-Cold War drawdown, in which it took a lot of politicking and good performance reviews for them to keep their jobs and move on up… which required more politicking and chasing stats to make them look good. Not exactly conducive to promoting leadership growth. That mentality had always been present regardless of the environment, but during the eras of large cutbacks it was allowed to swell and grow out of control where careerists are now the norm.… and true leaders are the exception.

Do you really think the riots in Greek were bad? Just take a look back at New Orlean 5 years ago.Thoundsands of American towns and cities will be looking like that.Thanks to Wall Street Banksters and Corporate robber barons.

Yes they did contribute to Job creation program like this sub repairing project. http://​www​.freerepublic​.com/​f​o​c​u​s​/​f​-​n​e​w​s​/​1​3​3​0​0​34/…

I’d like to offer a correction on Army expansion to Mr. Wheeler. In 1998 Army divisions consisted of 3 combat brigades, not four, and therefore the Army really had 33 combat brigade equivalents. It now has 46 along with about 65,000 more people. The brigade reorganization began in 2004 but the personnel increase didn’t begin until 2007, after Gates became secretary of defense. THose brigades look a lot different, now, too. In 1998 they weren’t fixed organziaitons. Now they are. There were also no Stryker brigades in 1998, Now there are 5 or 6. A lot of Army equipment has also been chewed up by the wars, especially vehicles of all types, and has not always been replaced one-for-one. So, a simple size comparison doesn’t quite get it.

Since you guys (I’m assuming you’re a hard left Dem by your comment) have been in charge since 2006 I don’t think you really have much solid ground to base your attack on. Even your premise is flawed… to blame the current economic state on the wars is taking a child’s understanding of economics and applying it to the current global climate. You may also want to check into which Democrat congress members voted for, and spoke out in favor of, the Iraq war before it happened.

What this article also fails to mention is readiness states of the units it cited. In the 90’s Clinton depleted a supply of massively expensive cruise missiles on an expensive fireworks show and had many units were so strapped for cash that by October we weren’t flying due to no fuel and no parts. I remember BARELY being able to get 2 planes ready out of a 16 aircraft squadron to support his Kosovo and Bosnia peace keeping action as well as his attack on Iraq in 1998. While the current budget is out of control due largely in part to a corrupt defense procurement process and bloated, runway budgets on defense programs, I don’t believe going back to the 90’s is going to help us out either.

Well I for one refuse to vote for Democrat one party rule as should anybody with a brain. These elitist fools who think they are a class above us “commoners” don’t deserve to be in office for another day, let alone another 4 years.

Lots of stuff going on here:
(1) The Army modernization was marketed during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and so was not given the intense scruting it deserved. It should have been done more slowly over a longer time period. Look at FCS. It’s just a bunch of combat vehicles with communications. How did they manage to screw that up?
(2) Personnel costs and benefits have been driving most of the Pentagon’s cost increases. A professional force is not cheap.
(3) Major equipment should be bought when needed, after at least two life cycle upgrades. Not just because researchers and engineers have a new product. We don’t really need a new car every third year.
(4) Equipment in Iraq and Afghanistan has been used at rates 3 to 8 times faster than peace time rates, so a replacement is required to maintain the same force at the same capabilities.
(5) The difference between men and boys is the size and cost of their toys. Gates has it right here — fire a few of them to downsize the military. Actually, one rule of thumbs should be that no flag officer or admiral should have another flag officer or admiral as an assistant or deputy.

I don’t know what drugs you’re on, buddy. Back in 1995, the Army had 4 Brigades in every divison and the 1st Cav had 5. if you wanted to add the Div Arty and the DISCOM to the mix, that would be 6 brigades in every division. The Aviation brigades were renamed the 4th Brigade starting in 1995.

Some of the problem is much of this is going to fall on the retired personnel. I already am seeing signs of increased medical fees for retired personnel not eligible for Medicare yet, maybe three fold. What I don’t understand is why blame the retirees because you decided to increase medical benefits for adult children dependents until age 26. Why are retirees (people who actually served) being penalized for your ideas.
We have had a cola freeze the last 2 years and I am sure it will continue but now I near they want to change the whole retirement system for those serving in the future. I presume less retirement and focus on more in hand money on active duty. When I was active, the pay was relatively low compared to most in the public, however, I am not sure on what the plan for future military pay will be.
The problem when I was active was GAO had too much control over where items were purchased, paying top dollar for everything it seemed like. No one on top ever listens to people on the deck plate level who actually get work done and know how to get things done cheaper. Always robbing Peter to pay Paul.
I also think there are too many high paid civilians doing duplicate work. I was on one staff where GS-12 use to sleep at his desk and GS-9 were doing the jobs I would give to a PO2.
So, while there is cutting going on, let’s not forget all the civilians that could be cut too, not just us old retired folks who already paid our dues. I earned what I have, I do not want anything more and I expect nothing less.

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2010–01.html
“Fights between the F-22A and the PAK-FA will be close, high, fast and lethal. The F-22A may get ‘first look’ with the APG-77, …, but the PAK-FA may get ‘first look’ using its advanced infrared sensor. […] The outcome will be difficult to predict ”
“The only aircraft built by the United States which can survive in airspace contested by the PAK-FA is the F-22 Raptor, and given the time frame of interest, it is the only design which can be adapted to defeat the PAK-FA.“
“the F-35 will no longer be a usable combat aircraft for roles other than Counter Insurgency (COIN), though more cost effective and more appropriate solutions already exist for this role.”
“the only viable … strategy […] is to terminate the Joint Strike Fighter program immediately, redirect freed funding to further develop the F-22 Raptor, and employ variants of the F-22 aircraft as the primary fighter aircraft for all United States and Allied TACAIR needs.
If the US does not fundamentally change its planning […], the advantage held for decades will be soon lost… ”

Correction…

The money from cancelling further F-22 production was to accelerate F-35 production. More specifically, money which would have bought ~120 additional F-22 was to instead increase F-35 production by ~150 from FY2010-2015. The ‘accelerated’ FY2010-2015 F-35 production has since been cut back to basically the same as the pre –accelerated schedule.

Well i knew this board would be republican heavy but the response (IMO) indicates a lack of political understanding. While people may bash Gates he transcends administrations. Obama may not have done everything right but people seem to have this expectation that his administration can fix the worst economic situation in about 80 years in one term — when the factors of such a dire situation, economically and militarily have been in play for a decade.

So you think Bush and Hitler are comparable…

You do know George W. Bush was a Connecticut-born Yalie whose wealthy father paid for his every failed career endeavor, right? And he represents the party famous for having one economic trick in their playbook: tax cuts for the wealthy. It’s amazing what you Republicans will say/think/do as long as it somehow opposes the Democrats. Sarah Palin is an elitist compared to you toothless yobs.

Right, civil war is right around the corner! Everyone who can’t see it is a socialist! Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh aren’t mentally unstable former drug addicts! Democrats and unions are the root cause of all our ails! Have I missed any?

Quite frankly, I’m anti-partisan.… Republicans and Democrats are both guilty for the same evils, wrapped up under different labels.

I live in CT as well, at least those “toothless yobs” are proud of their country unlike you self-described “liberal-progressive elite” who would put 18th century nobility to shame with your complete disconnect from the country you believe you have the right to rule over.

Few of our politicians are honest hard-working people, but I will always vote Republican before helping you you elevate these leftists and their social experiments rule without restraint.

How would the First World War have ended, had Woodrow Wilson only sent (self-professed) Vietnam veterans like Chimpo to fight young Austrian corporals like Hitler?

Lets all face it … the reality is that the pentagon budget is a social economic organziation first and the real department of defense is second. The real departmetn of sdefense is located in the SOCMS and at the bases with arsenals of warfighting wequipmet on them whcih are spread thru out the world. All pentagon offices and bases, airstrips with no hardware should be closed down and if their function is vital to defense transfer them to the base locations so that a clear connection between the two are seen. The COngressional committtee that recommnended real cuts to the bloat should be enacted. Everything else talked about is so minor that the congress will even get less for the next trillion dollars, except for lots of slides, charts, hot air, etc. Can all the hot air and oversdight of contractors win a war?

Let us think for a moment… “older and smaller”… or veteran-specialist and more capable? As a volunteer military, you can’t rely solely on numerical attrition to weed out of the available soldiers to make more elite fighters, so you end up more reliant on experiance grown skill than innate apptitude. That means age. Technological developement is about doing more with less. In this instance the military could shrink because its traditional function doesn’t require it to be as large. Assymetry aside our military could kick most other militaries utilizing a fewer number of troops. By that virtue retaining numerical strength is actually power growth not just stability.

By having a military more and more reliant on technology we end up with more experianced soldiers and generally older soldiers who have to be specialists in different technology. Those two things bump up the average pay grade and make the work more expensive. The only thing that should be “fixed” is in finding ways to make techonolgy cheaper.

The article’s analysis misses quite a few things: (1) In 1998 the military was still living off the surplus of weapons and spare parts left over from the cold war. That’s pretty easy to demonstrate. Look at the major weapons systems of 1998. F15s, F16s, F18s, M1-series tanks, Bradleys. All produced in huge quantities during the last part of the Cold War, but only in penny packets after it. When the Soviet Union collapsed, we had a huge surplus of weapons in almost every category and didn’t need any more–not in 1990 and not in 1998. The 1998 budget still reflected that end-of-cold-war bonus. Now, twenty-odd years after the Soviets collapsed, that Cold War era stuff is running out of life expectancy and will need to be replaced. Of course the material is getting older. It’s still predominantly Cold War-era stuff.

(2) The fact that we only produced penny-packets of major weapons for around twenty years is going to make it more expensive to produce the next generation. While the US military was living off of Cold War surplus, what do you think military contractors that had been producing major weapons systems were living off of? Nearly twenty years with only a trickle of new orders. If your primary business is building tanks or warplanes for the US, how do you keep paying skilled workers with almost no new orders? Why would you spend the money to train new workers as the old ones retire? And it isn’t just the big contractors. It takes hundreds of subcontractors to build these systems. A lot of those companies went out of business or went into another line of work.

Starting after 9/11, the US has had to rebuild the supply networks that provide spare parts for the army. We’ve had to retool a tank-heavy army designed to take on the Soviets so that it is agile enough to take on insurgents. Now we’re having to spend on the generation of planes and armored fighting vehicles that finally replaces the worn-out Cold War stuff. Of course we’re going to spend more and end up with a smaller force structure.

That doesn’t mean the DOD is necessarily well-managed or efficient. The point is that higher cost and smaller force structure is inevitable as the cold war era stuff finally heads to the scrap-heap.

Can one tell from these reports how much contracting to private firms has changed over this period, and the extent to which it could account for increased spending without increases in standing forces?

I am glad to see that little ferret Robert Gates go away. He was sure no service to the service and definatly no hawk. He had the chance to see two F-22’s in every garage keeping America safe, strong and economically viable and would have gone down as a Curtis LeMay of Military History rather than a Jimmy Carter. I can’t wait to see what a train wreck of a dove we are going to get now and let the commies, arabs and every other runt nation come out of the wood work.…. Once again failing to take heed that might is right. And it is better to be feared that to have it.

Hitler was a brilliant man even tho he was a mental nut. Bush was & is stupid. Did anyone ever ask for his DD214 from the Texas National guard. He should be arrested, returned to acrive duty
& court martialed. The submarine skipper that saved the senior Bush should also be put in jail.
Without him saving old man Bush, we would not be in this mess 7 there would not be any Bush’s.

The truth is most arogant people are “ignorant”.. And then there are a few with a little bit of liberal arts education, whereas a little bit of education is more dangerous then none at all. And then you have the ducking call of “that is above my paygrade” can’t anwer that one. But, then the comment after a closed door, none transparent transaction, trust me I know wht is good for you all.

The personal the have are just apointed camp followers. Given a make work job for the benefit of the politicals who paid them to vote favorably for their benefactors

I can’t give you the exact numbers but suffice it to say it is high and going up. Much of our intelligence, networking and security personnel have been privatized. Upside, it is cheaper to higher already trained personnel that have retired or ETSd, rather than train new recruits into these areas and then only be able to keep them for a couple of years. Another up is that when they are no longer needed, it is easier to end a contract with a private firm than do another force redux. However, the downside is that the recurring costs are higher. This will work out badly if the contractors are needed continually into the future. So long as they are on short term contracts (2–3 years at a time) then the cost is likely to be a draw.

I do not expect that the current administration can fix much. (Nor does any administration once it has been put in place) I do expect that clearly defined, solid choices that take us from where we are to where we “need” to be should be a goal. Political opportunism runs up and down the halls of Congress and the Pentagon. Dramatic decisions that finally turn over the “5” reporting branches (Army, Navy, AF, USMC and Sp. Ops) to the JCS and get ride of the redundancy of the Dep. Chiefs and their GO laden staffs will go a long way to redirect energy.

The JCS direct ALL the bullets downrange. Those other “3 & 4 buttons” became successful as good operations folks. Being in charge of Title 10 details makes for a strange environment. Turn those responsibilities over to O-6, 7 and 8s and get the jobs done with fewer ego problems.

I gotta admit, I didn’t like the idea of The President selecting Gates for the job(I would have got rid of everybody that worked for bush)But Gates ain’t nowhere near as incompetent as rumsfeld. With some political hacks, you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t, and the are the same buttholes that are screamming about the budget being to big or to small(which ever benifits them at the time). The fact is, the defence budget has gotten bigger under this President, and if should get bigger under the next, I guess they got to clean up the mess from the last President. The money SHOULD go where it’s needed, the ground force, the Navy and Air Force hadn’t fought a significant war sense WW11, only thing they need to do is maintain the equipment they have and replace and up grade it as needed. All in all, I think Gates has done a good job, especially seeing what he had when this administration took over. He was given the task of cleaning this s-it up, working. So he don’t scream like the right wing wan’t hin to, he don’t have to, he just needs to do his job. Let the nut jobs scream.

Screw Russia, and all it’s buddies

The Problem is, We(The United States)got to many people that think they know what the problem is, and don’t. Whats going to happen will happen, you can’t blame that on life styles, Not unless you get a personal audience with the creator on the daily basis.

Okay, leave it to the TEA PARTY: Cut Taxes and there is not going to be a military. Soon, we all will be learning Chinese. Want jobs, buy new weapons or replace the stuff worn out in the last two conflicts. But the tea party wants you to cut spending.….

You ignorant liberal drone. We live in a representative republic, not a democracy. At least we used to before chairman NOBAMA and his conga line of malcontents trashed the constitution and attacked our personal liberties on all fronts.

How did you get to post a comment? I thought you were in jail at Ft. Hood.

Of course, that is why they call it “full spectrum operations”. Umm, where was the commercial for Russian weapons here ? Of course, if the US turns off military R&D, where will the Russians steal their technology from ? And of course the Russkis don’t have a great record in conducting efficient, effective COIN operations. So you’re pretty much in the disarmament camp.

Hi tech garbage ? Listen, my friend — you need to check your six here. What is needed now is to finish what was started. A tank is a tank. A rifle is a rifle. You can improve these things. It is good to do so. We’ve been resting on the laurels of Reagan buildup for a long time. That cannot last forever. Slowing down is not the same as stopping altogether. There is a case for slowing down RD&TE and military procurement. There is no case for stopping and letting the force wither on the vine. We are commenting on an article by one of the most disreputable and dishonest of the K Street policy wonks. Do not let these people win !!

The real question is how many brigades you have up to at least ALO 2. I think we do consider aviation brigades to be combat brigades, so that is probably the difference. While the brigade organization was not fixed in ’98, for all practical purposes, the Army had been operating in brigade slices back to the 80s, and brigades were deployed that way (e.g. Just Cause, roundouts in Desert Storm). All the Army really did is formalize what they had been doing operationally for a long time. The real issue is what you do to the division and higher force structure and to the corps assets. Shoomaker quatsched this, but we were moving in the direction of taking out either the division or corps headquarters, and operationally there would be goodness there if we did. It would also cut down on your requirements for majors and lieutenant colonels.

I have a different point of view, which is related to the JFCOM fiasco. If you want to breed in bias towards current ops or fighting the last war, keep attacking the services’ infrastructure (what Gates calls overhead). JCS has shown time and again that they are incapable of long range planning. Goldwater-Nichols reinforces that bias. This contrasts with our allies who all have long range planning cells in their ministries of defense and central staffs. Example, both the Fuehrungstab der Bundeswehr and Fuehrungstab des Heers have Abteilung Six organizations where they grown their future concepts. They do good work with a small group of people. We can do that, too, but not with the policies and attitudes that are prevalent in the building right now.

Mr.gates is a bully thug , he learned those bully tactics at the CIA. He probably threatened the Prez’s family anyway. “If you put that in a budget I will have the President Obama veto it” (Gates ‘s favorite saying)
HE NEEDS TO GO ! Why in the hell would you keep Him anyway , he was picked by Bush. Bush was the worst President ever. (sneeky CIA family those Bushes are ! ) A few more years of gates and we will have no Airforce , no Navy . Just hell of alot of spec ops. with K-bars.

The average age in the Belgian Army is 40 years old — Forty. That’s what happens when a military force is allowed to go to seed. We are a long ways off from there, but there might be value in thinking about lengthening careers and limiting accessions. The US military chose quality over quantity back in the seventies, and we are living with the consequences of that decision.

That’s why people see the train wreck coming and are in such deep denial that they refuse to consider the consequences of looking the facts in the face.

The fact is that FCS had to keep changing its marketing pitch to keep up with the current situation on the ground. Spin Out was a result of the “we’ve got to hustle this stuff into the field to keep the program relevant” mantra. And to call it “just a bunch of combat vehicles with communications” is dead wrong, and exemplifies why FCS was the worst-understood program ever. You actually have to let the engineers do engineering, testers do testing, and warfighters write and refine the doctrine and training. They blew the program up just when it was getting its feet on the ground.

I agree with one exception. We are not back to 1998 in terms of armored fighting vehicle development — we’re back to 1988 — the year General Sunnell’s AFV Task Force closed up shop. We’re at least a generation and a half out of synch now.

You guys are missing the point. Follow the money. What we have seen over the past decade is the privitization of most of what the military does. Farming out chow halls and laundry services to Haliburton or convoy driving and guard duty to Black Water is very expensive. We have drawn down our military to a basic fighting corp and paid premium prices for services the military used to staff from its ranks.

The Cheney/Rumsfeld privitization scheme has made their corporate friends rich while bleeding our military of its capacity to sustain combat. That is the reason we pay so much and have so little to show for it.

So your Obama is the answer, wakeup
We were attacked, here in the US what part of that do you not understand. I guess that WWII was caused by the rebublicans??
OK, let’s just all kiss and makeup in this world of ours
You are one of the reasons that I shed my blood for and comments like you’res sometimes make me ask myself why.
Move out of the US and see where and what that gets you

Am there with you ! What a family team, mess up the Nation in two terms. Now we can not even recover at all. What a waste of money and American lifes and inocents civilians, hummm wonder if this is the NWO way on how to reduce Word population!

To “tiredof liberals“
And you need to learn more about your government. In case you didn’t know, we have a government thats made of the people, by the people, for the people, and all over the world, thats a Democracy. Every nation is a republic, but not all nations are democracies.…..ignorant right wing neo-con dummy.

They are key differences between a representative republic and pure democracy, something which you liberals don’t want to understand.

When democracy doesn’t work in your favor (see gay marriage being voted down by citizens or other left wing social trash being rejected) you whine and complain, yet the rest of the time your constantly whining about there not being “enough democracy”. You want mob-rule when it suits you and leftist judges over-ruling the people the rest of the time.

Thats a weird thing to say, seeing as how all democrats are made up of working class Americans, and most republicans are made of people that think they should rule them. Your tube is all twisted up man, it’s the republicans thats elite wannabes, not the democrats. Free your mind and your ass will follow.

Hitler was a sick minded fu-k that lived too long, even his own people knew that. There was nothing brilliant about him, May the World never see another like him.

Oroves the Military/Industrial Cmmplex found a quicker way to reap the profits, while providing less than ever. Until the System is modified/changed, nothing will improve, but may get a lot worse? Talk about $150/hr and all others makig at least $50/hr.…..More and more wil try that same “band wagon” of profits at teh tgaxpayers expense.…. Products in the experiemental stages at=re no longer the producers responsilibility, but that of the Defense Department????? What a beautiful arrngement that has been made for all, excpet the taxpayer??????Gates is having a FIELD DAY attempting to make this type of impossiblity work and pay for itself.…. As a result many items have been dropped by the wayside to make room for the latest, not always the best items???? Unproven weapons, or support material, still being tested for theor value and life span under comabt conditions/ demands.….
Steve, Retired

Am there with you ! What a family team, mess up the Nation in two terms. Now we can not even recover at all. What a waste of money and American lifes and inocents civilians, hummm wonder if this is the NWO way on how to reduce Word population!

I have been working defense related aerospace for 25+ years now. What I see is that the big guys; Northrop, Lockheed, Boeing and others cant build anything because they are all used to doing business in the fixed price contract era. When companies had fixed pricing, they made money by being inefficient. Now many of these business units are top heavy, too many managers with nothing to do but complicate the crap out of everything. Unions dont help, they fight change to keep jobs without thinking about the big picture. It is frustrating to see where this is all going, we are losing contracts for defense systems because we are just too complicated.

Thus demonstrating the farce of the ‘peace dividend’.

History demonstrates that lowering taxes INCREASES revenue to the treasury.

What history books are you reading? Clinton started wars in Bosnia, destroying bridges over the Danube that were in place for a thousand years. LBJ accelerated the Vietnam war. Truman: Korea. FDR: WWII. Wilson: WWI. McKinley only got into the Spanish American War reluctantly.

The last Republican president that started a major war was Abraham Lincoln for heaven’s sake. All major wars in the last 140 years were started by Democrats, except for the Iraq / Afghan conflict.

i agree — i can’t imagine all the additional money is going to personal expenses. it’s costly to have families in the DoD’s budget, but as someone who recently committed herself to a man in the Army, you bet your ass that i would expect the military to help me pay for that kid. (which, of course, is why i would never have kids in the military.)

Boomer
The Air Force and Navy have always been behind the times when it comes to moderination. The Navy has the Super FA18 and now when Lockeed gets the F35 up thats there Air Force.
Now a little about My Air Farce.They always plan but not with clear heads. We need a New Tanker, The F35 ? I’m not a fan. I’m more of a fan for the Boeing F15SE. The should bulid those for the Guard and Reserve and Homeland security. Global Hawk not a fan but give me the Dragon Lady any and we win.

» Donald Rumsfeld (2001–2006) is generally acknowledged to be the most incompetent
» secretary of defense since — well — Donald Rumsfeld (1975–1977).

The above statement weakens your article and is hardly in keeping with any degree of journalistic standards. Generally acknowledged by whom? Those who do not like him? The party currently in control the Legislative and Executives branches of government? Journalists, like you — especially those in the beltway — that still insist upon our response to 9/11 as a “War of Choice?”

Please stick to the relevant facts. Much more of this yellow journalism and my Google Reader list will be one feed shorter.

Generally acknowledged by anyone who watched as the wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq slid toward defeat until Gates replaced Rumsfeld.

In case you didn’t know, we have a government thats made of the people, by the people, for the people, and all over the world, thats a Democracy.

Really? How many people feel its really like that in America?

Well I moved out to the Philippines, and it got me a 2 bedroom condo (Serendra) in a rich area in Global City Fort Bonifacio. A lot of us intelligent ex military are moving out of the States and living it up in other Countries. I make more money here in the Philippines then in the States, due to the fact that I am a Dual Citizen. And Obama is a false hope, just another fake bought out Politician that needs to be fired. Government should fear the people not the other way around. I am talking about how the DEA raids Medical Marijuana Patients houses/clinics in states where Medical Marijuana is legal. Just go to Law Enforcement against Prohibition’s web site and read all the story’s there.

America just needs to Fall before people will wake up. It will happen one day, Just look at the Roman Empire. I am sorry to say this, but when I gave 12 years of my life to the DOD to see I am just working for people that have hidden Agendas. Yes, I did move out of America. Some of you should try living in another Country and see that America is not all that. I am also sure that some of you are living outside America already. All you Vietnam Vets probably know Tick (Marine Vet.) Owner of the DMZ bar in Angeles city. He sold it and built a hotel there. He is a good example of a American that can make it outside of America.

In addition to pfcem’s comment, I’ve never seen a Tea Party candidate that advocated freezing defense-related spending.

Don’t you mean cost-plus?

Your point is scattered and inarticulate.

I would not have envisioned any of the things you mentioned here from what you had said before. In fact, ALL of the things you mention with the exception of the armed Predator were non-developmental items purchased by the military during the prosecution of the GWOT. Now, I have my own views about the form factors and human-system interface of things like monocular displays and PDAs, but what I hear from the warfighters is that they like this “junk” and want more of it, as long as they can figure out how to keep those things charged up. I’ve had lunch with “backseat” Predator pilots who go home every night. The fact of the matter is that UAVs are here to stay. So are ground robots, and these things will change the face of battle as they get better. You can be on the right side of that change or the wrong side of it, but I think you need to remember that the machine gun was not a toy after all and that the right way to employ tanks was not to limit them to the speed soldiers can walk or run just because Version 1.0 was slow and unreliable.

Yeap, thats what I meant…

Freedom isn’t free you scum bag.

Right on — thanks for stating the truth about Republicans v Dumbocrats.

The dismanteling of our countries armed forces has begun.When will congress see that Obama’s plan of making our country weaker has already started.When will congress learn that the United States needs to remain militarily powerful to protect itself from the enemies that are out there?

Do you ever do any research or watch the news? The so called “party of the people” (Democrats) are the richest members of Congress and the “people” that they help aren’t the workers, it is the union bosses; the union members get the short end of the deal and the entire tax paying public gets left with unfunded mandates. Both parties are out of control, but to say that all Democrats are made up of working class Americans is the most vacuous argument I have heard this week.

Don’t you know the old saying which is true,America,Love It Or Leave It.Good Riddance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One of the problems with downsizing military companies is that people leave and infect companies in the commercial sector. This results in a second wave of dead and dying companies that would have had a chance otherwise.

Says the guy who probably hasn’t worked a day in his life.

One might ignore this malformed attempt to be clever, but it does underscore the structural unemployment that results from any big change in government spending. Some skills are easier to transfer than others. In some cases, retraining is needed, Who pays for that ? The reason this administration is in such deep trouble in the polls right now is that the public senses that they are just going around shooting from the hip, and resorting to hand waving any time they get challenged on the facts. Those of us who work within the defense industry see the effects when a big program gets cancelled — managers move their people to get coverage, then the burn rate goes out of control and other projects get sick. I know that is not what this creep was implying — he was intimating that defense sector employees are lazy and unemployable. Pure trolling and a good example of the sorry attitudes we see on the left and the libertarian right these days.

European comment on this state of affairs.

Now I know all about the “buy american” sentiment and fear of loosing certain manufacturing capabilities.

How about buying hardware developed in other countries? Specifically meaning hardware that would take quite a bit of time and money to develop an alternative to.

The advantage would be that the US would not have to pay for the development and that the hardware would allready be in service elsewhere with the experiences and capabilities out for analysis.

To alleviate the first mentioned disadvantages to the average american the contracts would offcourse have to contain agreements on full rights to further US development of the hardware and production in the US.

It “should” be possible for the US to make some of these deals considering how much hardware the US will buy compared to other customers.

Offcourse some money will leave the US this way. On the other hand other NATO countries have been buying loads of US equipment for years now. So buying of allies is helping out friends like we have supplied you with money. Granted I have no insight into whether there were too big discounts on these sales.

I see this as a way to not ignore lessons learned by others and to be as cheap and efficient as possible to field new hardware.

A few examples of hardware I can think of would be eg. the new swedish mobile artillery, light vehicles for the army or the new danish littoral fighting ships. Allthough offcourse this would be dependent on the specificaly US needs. These have just been mentioned elsewhere.

God has a plan.

Why do you think it’s just a Republican administration? Democrats as well as Republicans both have helped themselves to delcine the moral of America much less than spending. Don’t believe me? Look at all the mud slinging that goes on every 4 years. And what do these politicians ask for? “Help us fight the other party and send your monetary donations to .……” Basically the fat cats in DC. God help the politicians and America. If they ran on their word and their platform and didn’t beg for cash that would be wonderful.

WOW

Yeah right, that’s why most of them are on welfare and food stamps, oh yeah, except all of the union goons. The vast majority of working people that know the difference between gross pay and net pay on their paycheck stubs, don’t vote Democrap. You will be in for a real shock this fall, knucklehead.

You obviously don’t know your history. The Carter years were far worse, he invented the misery index. Unemployment under Bush was 5.5%, it’s now over 10%, I don’t care how they try and spin it lower. Obama has just made things worse, and no I am no Bush fan either. You are just mad because you lost your job at ACCORN and you are now worried that the Republicans are going to get elected this fall, then they will cut your welfare check. Yes you should be worried.

Cost-plus contracts are necessary because of the high risk involved in development efforts. The break down is with the government: they are unable to define requirements, write reasonable contracts, develop program baselines, stick to baselines, define acceptance criteria, oversee contractual efforts properly, and basically make intelligent decisions. The programs are doomed to failure from concept (reach for the stars vs practical “good enough” technology) and are impossibly constrained (cost, schedule, performance)
The ineptitude starts at the government, and rolls down hill from there. Everyone looks bad.

If we always stick with “good enough” the technology never advances. Sometimes we must take a leap as we did with the F-22.

Not true. Industry develops a lot of technology separate from a Defense MDAP. That’s why DoD buys so much COTS. I’m all for advancing technology — my position is MDAP’s is not the place to be experimenting. If it ain’t operationally suitable, it doesn’t belong in an MDAP.

Tony, if you knew we have technology so advance that you never won’t imagine! This weapon systems programs are just a “game” to keep us busy and working, the real technology won’t be released till we end all financial broke paying for others people war/occupations. Another factor to just keep people occupied and busy, is just a mind game!

We spent way too much on contractors and got way too little to show for it…we have to stop this degradation of assets or we will end up a third world nation with nuclear weapons

AK47 Simple and gets the job done, the rest of the world could’t be wrong.

Am there with you ! What a family team, mess up the Nation in two terms. Now we can not even recover at all. What a waste of money and American lifes and inocents civilians, hummm wonder if this is the NWO way on how to reduce Word population!

Russian weaponry might be ingeniously designed at times, but a lot of it is poorly made. Very mixed bag.

@Parasite Sorry for voting your comment up, I missed the down button.

Gates was a lousy leader at Texas A&M and hasn’t improved. Let’s send him to Iraq or Afghanistan for at least a year. Maybe he will show more respect for the military.

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