No JFCOM Subpoena Likely Before Nov.

No JFCOM Subpoena Likely Before Nov.

UPDATED: Rep. Forbes Hammers Gates Pentagon For Muzzling Military

Don’t expect to see Defense Secretary Robert Gates issued any subpoenas about Joint Forces Command any time soon.

The House Armed Services Committee’s rules require a quorum of members present to issue a subpoena, we understand. That would mean calling back — during a hard-fought election — at least 32 members of the committee.


That is  unlikely even though Reps. Randy Forbes, Robert Scott and Glenn Nye were joined by 33 fellow lawmakers in signing a letter to the chairman and ranking member of the HASC pressing for issuance of a subpoena should Gates decline an invitation to testify before the committee as an “expert witness.”

Forbes and other Virginia lawmakers are furious that the Pentagon apparently decided to shut down JFCom before performing a detailed analysis of the closing’s effects. They are also clearly just furious that the command will probably be shut down and that it was announced a few months before an election.

The HASC leadership made it pretty clear at the hearing earlier this week that they are very concerned that someone needs to be responsible to ensuring that the services don’t return to their traditional stovepiped ways, a view with which Gen. Hoss Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs, agreed. At the same time, neither Rep. Ike Skelton nor Rep. Buck McKeon said they were committed to keeping JFCom open, which is part of the reason for Forbes’ letter. He wants to keep the heat on.

But there is a larger issue at stake here, Forbes told me this afternoon. Gates has muzzled the military, Forbes said, firing people who say things he doesn’t like and warning other senior leaders not to step out of line.

“This is part of a much bigger picture. It begins with the secretary issuing the gag orders forbidding anyone in Pentagon from discussing the budget last year,” the lawmaker said. “They have woven this tapestry of silence around the Pentagon and it is threatening to liberty itself.”

Forbes’ comments are reflective of opinions I have heard from a range of senior military officers from three services over the last few months. And there are rumors that, should the GOP take the House, hearings about Gates’ management will be held with a sharp focus on whether his actions have led to officers afraid to express their professional military opinion for fear of being fired or losing a promotion.

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I often disagree with Gate’s policies and decisions, but his effort to cut back on the bureaucracy and redundant agencies is one thing I approve of. Yet he has done this sort of “censoring” in he past most notably with the F-22. Disagree with Gates and public and you find yourself in deep trouble. This is a not a healthy policy and certainly won’t do much for Gates reputation years from now.

The audacity of calling a Secretary of Defense to the Hill to explain his “justification” for cancelling an underperforming and expensive bureaucracy. It’s like asking him earlier why he was cancelling programs we didn’t need or that didn’t work. THEY DID NOT WORK, AND THEY DID NOT NEED THEM.

If you didn’t think that politicians in Washington were completely beholden to special interest lobbyists, if you thought the welfare of the Soldier was more important than business, if you thought that the American Taxpayer dollars were well spent; consider this a wake up call.

I DARE them to hold a sham hearing so American can watch “honorable members” argue left is right, and up is down. Only then will the average American get to see the decades of Congressional whoring laid bare.

As for the charge of “muzzling the military”; are you flippin’ serious!? In what military, company, or organization do you get to run to mommy when daddy says no and not get fired immediately? This isn’t muzzling, it’ reigning. It’s demanding basic accountability and professionalism from a DoD bureaucracy and Uniformed Services that have been unaccountable and derelict in their duties for decades. Instead of shrewdly investing in technology and upgrades to their equipment, they put all of their money in giant technology gambles with little chance of success OR relevance to the fight. When they don’t pan out they scream that the only solution is a BIGGER GAMBLE, all that they need is a few billion more. (last time, promise)

They can’t win a ground war against goat herders with AK’s, but rather than look for changes in tactics, doctrine or basic equipment the go back to the only thing they know how to do…..develop the latest “joint-centric-unified-interoperable-full spectrum dominance” garbage that neither works, nor has any connection to the wars we are likely to fight.

I am sick and tired of this “we will only fight COIN wars from now on” thinking that is used to justify gutting crucial programs to replace our aging inventory of vehicles or aircraft! Like it or not we need that equipment they try to sell using dozens of buzzwords.

Read up on Defense Secretary Richard McNamara and his pet projects like the F-111. He pushed aside the objections of USAF and USN leaders (and canceled programs like the F-12B interceptor) in order to get his way. While the F-111 found it’s calling as a tactical fighter-bomber, it was not everything he tried to sell it as.

A general should not have to worry about getting fired if he speaks in favor of more F-22s or anything on Gate’s list of programs to kill.

No one is saying “we will fight only COIN wars from now on”. (at least I’m not) However JUSTIFIED is the key word. Even traditional “cold war” tech is still needed as deterrent and maintenance of our strategic defense, but not all of it. You can justify large programs, planes, carriers, etc; but you have to do so by documenting true operational need or real/existent threats, not a fn BS FIGHER GAP circular analysis that bases the number of planes/wings needed based on the number of carriers, which was based on.….….well no one knows, that’s why it’s total crap.

Generals shouldn’t be fired for advocating for more F-22’s, but if he advocates for it and can’t justify the numbers, expense, or O&M problems and the DoD decides to not buy more then that’s it. (for now, things may change) Generals SHOULD be fired for subverting orders and calling Congressmen behind his superiors back (and usually congressmen/senators from states where the plane is made) because he/she didn’t like the decision. That’s called subverting the chain of command, and IS and SHALL EVER BE cause for termination.

Pennst98: Amen!

Yet there is a basis for the number of carriers in active service. People look at the number and say “wow 11 is a lot of carriers”. Yet not as many as we operated only several years ago and it is not that impressive of a number when you consider that for every carrier in action, one is being refitted and another is on transit somewhere to replace a carrier on station. The fighter gap was/is real because there is no point to having carriers if you don’t have fighters to operate off them!

Make excuses all you want for Gates but terminating F-22 production was the stupidest decision of his career.

@William C.

The funny thing is, Gates has not done any of this ‘cutting back on bureaucracy’ you speak of. No one has been laid off. He is merely reshuffling the deck. Like JFCOM, he talks of closing the facility, but then he says the requirement to do that job will roll under the Joint Chiefs. Uh, Hello, for those who recognize double-speak when we hear it that means, no jobs lost. i.e. no actual cost savings.

11 carriers. Yeah, I agree, many morons say, “No one else has more than 1″ Well, no one else is expected to cover the entire globe. Our elected officials have mandated that we (the DoD/US Military) be able to strike anywhere, anytime within x hours. This is not just lobbing an ICBM, this includes humanitarian missions as well. So that kinda predicates owning airfields all over the globe, which we kinda do, and for those areas where we don’t, we have the carriers.

F-22, what people fail to understand is that the reason our equipment is the best is not because it was designed really, really good back in 1978 (when they designed F18’s) but because we keep up with current trends/technologies. The F22 was the best fighter the world has ever seen, because the Chinese/Russians keep on developing new fighters too, we had too.

JSF is no match for an F22.

Well, there is the FCS decision, and the C-17 decision, and the F-136 decision. Lotta competition in that race. I’ve been reading Bacevich’s “Washington Rules” over the past couple of weeks. In no way to I agree with this book’s premise, but it does seem to be that we are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea on defense priorities. Objectively, the numbers ain’t that bad, and some common sense at the top could get us through this passage without damaging the force. Sadly, we keep point the ship towards the rocks and not the channel. Think soft landing, not driving together over the cliff.

The US Navy today has a “ship force” of less than it had in 1916. Eleven Carrier Groups is a far cry from the demands that can be placed on this country in time of war. I am not speaking of the “COIN” war but what will be inevitable one day as we continue to lose our capabilities. We have to sustain worldwide intervention capabilities or we will be attacked. Big projects with little return and so-called jobs for Americans to build the greatest and best for far more money than can ever be conceived for value is a travesty of the big business and government being filled with money whores. The F-22 project could have been outstanding but the “built-in” failures to drive the costs up were in place long before the planes were even evaluated. It is all about money with no conscience of what the real picture should reveal. The United States needs results that can be measured and paid for without government and the Pentagon raising flags for their own personal gain.
November is approaching and it is time to turn this ship around and arm it with down to earth people who believe in the American way not the way of the what feels good at the moment.

I liked it better when the Military men kept their mouths closed to the press, and to the public. It is not the job of the military to suffer from loose jaws, that allow their mouhts to run off, as it is today! Whatever happened to that rule, “need to know only” ? or for need to know eyes only”? What’s with all of this needless talking to a press that hates the Military, and is exposing them to danger, more than ever before? The rules have changed, and they are NOT GOOD?????
Steve

This bastard Gates is just as bad as Rumsfeld was.… and Rumsfeld was as arrogant as that SOB McNamara.

EVERY ONE SHOULD KEEP THERE MOUTH SHUT AND THIS MEANS THE CONGRESS ALSO.……SO SOME ONE WILL SAY SOMETHING AND WHAT DO THEY DO,SLAP THERE HANDS ONLY.…..OUR MILITARY CAN RUN THIS WAR WITH OUT ANY INPUTS FROM THIS GOVT.,BUT THIS IS OUR LAW THEY HAVE TO PUT IN THERE WORDS AND TELL THEM HOW TO DO IT.….

i think GATES made a horrendous blunder by not keeping the Raptor line going, selling it to our closest allies. The JSF better work i wonder how many F-15SE [Silent Eagle] you can buy for 1 JSF?

How dare anyone think something does not work or perform. The F-22 works great it was the current leadership that didn’t want it and Lockheed Martin didn’t push for more planes, HMMMM sounds like tyhe two shot down the F-22 for the popular F-35 but that is becoming over extended.

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