GOP To Tea Party: Don’t Cut Defense

GOP To Tea Party: Don’t Cut Defense

With one wary eye on the Tea Party movement and its potentially isolationist policies, representatives of GOP thinktanks sent a simple message today: don’t cut Pentagon weapons systems in the belief that the American homeland can be protected without a military that can fight and project power around the globe.

“It is a false choice to believe that you can defend the homeland without projecting power,” said Mackenzie Eaglen, defense analyst at the Heritage Foundation. She and two representatives from the conservative American Enterprise Institute pitched their argument that America should spend roughly 4 percent or more of Gross National Product on defense in order to be able to protect, defend and deter around the globe. During the Cold War, the U.S. spent, on average, roughly 7.5 percent of GDP annually on defense.

AEI’s Tom Donnelley, a GOP stalwart, said Heritage and his organization came out with their defense budget arguments before the election after noting a large number of efforts by liberal Democrats to attract Tea Party activists. The Democrats were reacting to an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal by noted conservative thinker Bill Kristol, Heritage’s Ed Feulner and AEI’s Arthur Brooks which argued against cuts to the defense budget.


Aside from the larger debate about whether the United States should remain a global projection power — and not one focused on defending its borders — there is the debate Democrat. Barney Frank and maverick libertarian Ron Paul have sparked about cutting the defense budget since that is, simply, where the money is. As Frank told the press yesterday in a conference call, we are in a “zero sum game,” where the deficit must be trimmed and the money must come from somewhere.

The GOP counters that the defense budget is a core constitutional responsibility of the federal government, while entitlements such as Medicare and Social Security are not. And, as Eaglen put it today, “the real money is not in weapons systems. it’s everywhere else [in the defense budget].” Defense Secretary Robert Gates and most of the senior Pentagon leadership have made it clear they worry more about the costs of ever-rising healthcare and personnel costs than they do those of weapons systems.

But the real debate about America’s global future, and the military it needs to ensure that future, won’t happen this election. It will burn bright during the next presidential election, Eaglen predicts. Meanwhile, Heritage is briefing some Tea Party candidates on defense issues and hopes to increase that outreach over the next few months.

AEI’s Schmidt actually thanked Frank for helping to spark the debate, calling it “very useful.”

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I aint never heard one Tea Partier say to cut the military at any event I ever attended. Sounds like a play on words as usual in politics. Most tea party people are active duty or vets and all want a stronger military. Closing down overseas bases does not weaken projection, it allows you to devert your money to military equipment and programs instead of leasing property from other nations to build infrastructure we cant bring back home. I would much prefer to have more ships and carriers along with long range fighter and bombers that can get anywhere in the world in a matter of days than what we currently have going against us. SHips and forces from the mainland got to the gulf days ahead of those in europe and asia so in reality there is no longer a use for overseas bases in my opinion. I (my platoon) went from Hawai to the sandbox within 24hrs of 911, had air support from carriers the following day, I think we can foward project just fine from in the USA.

Luckily, most Tea Party candidates I have encountered don’t want to cut force structure or modernization plans. There is no excuse for either, although some programs like LCS should be replaced or changed.

Cutting many of our foreign bases and foreign aid funds I can agree with, many of our allies to stand on their own militarily. But I wouldn’t touch the overall DoD $700 billion base budget. Instead lets channel that money saved back to procurement, R&D, and other areas.d

Another straw man. Tea party candidates and supporters support return to core constitutional principles of which provide for the common defense is the primary expectation.

It is the Barney franks and imam obama’s who spend on everything BUT national defense.

Military spending — ie: Handouts to poorly educated white men — it’s just silly to think that the tea party would be against it.

The neocons are just scared that the Democrats will blow their cover and let on that their narrow special interests aren’t actually with the white working classes.

You can bet 100 to 1 that the tea party will line up in neat rows to be screwed by the GOP & neocons yet again.

In other words lets plow the money back into waste for Bill.

Justin,

Many in the Tea Party and some in the Democratic Party don’t just argue that we should save money by getting smarter about what we buy and how we buy it, they also argue we should make those savings by focussing on the homeland and pulling back from our global engagements. Combine that with their laser focus on reducing spending — including defense — and you could get a fundamental reshaping of U.S. forces. That is why I say they are potentially isolationist. That’s just descriptive — it’s not a value judgement.

Multilateralism trumps interventionism!

(Wrong crowd, I know)

Military spending and Oblat plays the race card, really? But just to show how ignorant your statement is the military overall has a higher level of education than the general public. Are you also including weapons spending? Companies filled with masters and PHD scientists and engineers, yup all dummies.

If only we could turn over all decisions to Harvard law graduates then we would be so much better off, right Oblat.

To the poster “bobbymike”

You wrote: “Are you also including weapons spending? Companies filled with masters and PHD scientists and engineers, yup all dummies.”

YOU BET THEY ARE , AND OVERPAID ONES ON TOP OF THAT , TOO !!!!!

Two very famous examples: It took you U.S. Americans more than 130.000 people (mostly scientists) and nearly 2 billion $ ( = 22 billion $ in present day value) to build your first A-bomb, and two decades later another 400.000 people, over 20.000 industrial firms and universities and 24 billion $ to fly a man into Space!

LOL : You should have employed the poor, backwardish North Koreans or Chinese instead!

Hmm I’ll gladly take what we did in 1945 and during the space race over whatever unreliable missile systems the North Koreans are trying to piece together.

I can’t believe your complaining about those technological achievements we made far before most other countries. The Soviet space program was undoubtedly a massive undertaking on their part too.

4% of GDP– yawn.

Yep… anything and everything built for military or law enforcement purposes is waste… ready to move out of the 1960s?

Even if my job did consist of selling $500 hammers, those hammers would be a better investment than more money for the Ted Kennedy Foundation for Creating Memorials to Ted Kennedy or whatever pork project your beloved Democrats want to pay for.

Tell me Oblat, what do you do for a living that entitles you to call my job “waste”?

If it works, do it.

[QUOTE] To Reader. DADT. Quote for Robert Gibbs, WH Press Sec.: “This is a policy (DADT) that is going to end.” It would seem the only question is will the courts end it, will Congress end it or President Obama?
The courts are in motion, but it is doubtful if the Supremes with 5 Catholics and 4 jews, no protestants, on the court will want to many a ruling on a cultural issue such as DADT and DOMA. To the best of knowledge currently no one has put the DADT decision on a judicial fast tract or suspended the District Judges ruling pending appeal to the 9th. Circuit.[/QUOTE]

Ummm, if the Administration wanted to do away with DADT couldn’t the President as CINC just issue an order to remove it? Furthermore, couldn’t the President as leader of the Executive branch tell the DOJ who is also a member of the executive branch to cease and desist with the appeals to the most recent injunction and let it stand?

As far as the other mish mash of made up crap you posted, I don’t have the energy to comment on because it’s all made up. We can’t debate your imagination, you’ll just have to live with it yourself.

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Good Evening Folks,

Since the Tea party will never be in any position to influence the federal budget I thinks buzz 1’s message is just a wee bit premature.

But from the “Evil Empire”, I do have this. The proposed Russian Federations Defense budgets for 2010 to 2013. Note all number are in billions of 2009 US dollars.

The Russian Federation’s stated 2009 GDP $2.109 trillion. I know of no confirmation of this number and from looking at the data I was provided that oil and gas credits are not broken out as are arms sales to Vietnam, India or Iran.

The given defense budgets are:

$16.3 billion 2010

$19.2 billion 2011

$24.3 billion 2012

$38.3 billion 2010

Some break downs, Budget priorities, RS-24 ICBM, Rulava SLBM, Su.-34 multi role attack plane, Su.-35 generation 4.5/5 fighter plane, attack submarines, for the Black Sea Fleet Corvettes and FFG’s.

Money for modernization, in percent of total budget: 13% 2010, 15% 2011, 15% 2012, 14% 2013.

Military R&D, in percent of total military budget: 22% 2010 and to drop to 16% by 2013.

Depending on the accuracy of the GDP number The Russian Federation is intending to spend about .75% of GDP on defense.

A note this is a long way away for the prediction from The Russian Federation that to rebuild the Russian military and make it competitive with NATO militaries it would take an investment of $660 billion US dollars (2009). These budgets are no where neat accomplishing that lofty goal.

The Budget under US consideration for defense is $726 billion UD dollars.

The US defense budget is WAYYYYYY out of line.

To Reader. DADT. Quote for Robert Gibbs, WH Press Sec.: “This is a policy (DADT) that is going to end.” It would seem the only question is will the courts end it, will Congress end it or President Obama?

The courts are in motion, but it is doubtful if the Supremes with 5 Catholics and 4 jews, no protestants, on the court will want to many a ruling on a cultural issue such as DADT and DOMA. To the best of knowledge currently no one has put the DADT decision on a judicial fast tract or suspended the District Judges ruling pending appeal to the 9th. Circuit.

President Obama could end DADT with an executive order, or as I think is most likely in the lame duck after the elections the Senate will add repeal of DADT as a bill rider on the Defense Budget. The Congressional method would give the REpublicans the most cover and wold make it easier for any future Congress to reinstate DADT.

To buzz 1. On a google that I get on money flowing into the mid east from Europe, a name popped up you might know, “Bell Tea and Coffee”. I don’t know why they were on this rogues list, accident I assume, perhaps you may know more on this.

Well my allocation of time is nearly up for today. Think about how obscene our defense budget is compared to the Russian Federations. Oh by the way, I’m sure buzz 1 knows the source of this data.

ALLONS,

Byron Skinner

Replace the word defense with entitlement.

I wouldn’t be surprised if we spent that much for entitlement programs already. 4% of the GDP would probably be less!

You sound like a Liberal.

I’m a Taliban I.E.D. maker. Come and get me.

Well bill if you spent as much time working for the pentagon as i did for over twenty years
and seen all of the corruption and graft and waste fraud and abuse and the gross lack
of productivity and all of those worthless silly service people and just as useless people
in the military that never seen one day in a combat zone with two wars going on you
would not be saying the things that you are. Come to think about it the contractors are not better.
Most of the anticipated savings come from wholesale layoffs retirement and attrition.
Simply stated the workforce has to shrink.

Well ‚if you spent as much time working for the pentagon as i did for over twenty years
and seen all of the corruption and graft and waste fraud and abuse and the gross lack
of productivity and all of those worthless silly service people and just as useless people
in the military that never seen one day in a combat zone with two wars going on you
would not be saying the things that you are. Come to think about it the contractors are not better.
Most of the anticipated savings come from wholesale layoffs retirement and attrition.
Simply stated the workforce has to shrink.

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Defense budget: >$1 trillion every two years.

The “reserve fund” allocated for JSF program is even larger than the budget available for some domestic programs.

Justify that if you will. Be specific if you must.

This is a blog, Justin. You’re the editor. Power to the people.

I don’t mean to deny that waste occurs. It does and it is at unacceptable levels. Yet a good portion of it is on the government’s end. However Oblat and others only blame the defense industry and particually it’s workers. According to him everybody is in upper-management, partying in private jets and rarely doing work. Perhaps he needs to met some of the real workers, those in the middle class who are working hard to ensure they keep their job and can feed their families.

Consider the F-35. It has been a poorly managed program and it still faces many challenges in my opinion. And while I don’t work for Lockheed, I can guarantee you that engineers and the ground crew have been working their asses off trying to get and keep that thing in the air.

I have several concerns over the F-35, and I am a major supporter of the whole “high-low” mix concept, but like it or not the F-35 or something like it is needed to serve as the basis for our fleet of fighters. Many F-16s, F/A-18s, and other aircraft will be retiring in the coming decade.

>the middle class who are working hard to ensure they keep their job and can feed their families.

Cue the violins, I’m sure we can all excuse Bill his waste and fraud now that we know he’s a charity case.

I’m sure Bill has a bumper sticker — “Failure, Fraud and Waste there is no Alternative.”

This sense of entitlement is rampant in the defense industry. And we cant expect people who feel that such gross inefficiencies are perfectly normal to have what it takes to improve.

Things wont improve unless we start seeing defense companies go bust from their behavior. New better companies will arise free of the dead wood that plagues the current companies.

According to ME everybody concerned is the lazy low life in the federal civil service worker rank and file living the life of riley lazy life style working for the Pentagon and most of the junior enlisted trash in the military avoiding combat duty in the rear-echelon in the rear with gear.Honestly most junior enlisted people in the Marine Corps i see where i work at spend all of their spare time getting roaring drunk and generally are pathetic Individuals with lots of idle time doing nothing and getting paid for it living in goverment quarters at taxpayer expense that is in better shape than most privately owned rental property.and none of them have a clue much less a life and have rear-echelon paranoia everytime there is a combat deployment.
Perhaps he needs to met some of the real workers, those in the so “middle class ” with their worthless federal employee unions that don’t work to hard generally living way beyond their means buying property and automobiles they can’t afford and running up huge credit tabs and owing everybody in town. and their kids eating them out of house and home.What a life.….….….…

Thanks for proving my point Oblat. Your the perfect example of the liberal who cries crocodile tears for any “human rights” cause that benefits his personal interests, yet the people who have real jobs aren’t work a damn.

According to ME everybody concerned is the lazy low life in the federal civil service worker rank and file living the life of riley lazy life style working for the Pentagon and most of the junior enlisted trash in the military avoiding combat duty in the rear-echelon in the rear with the gear.Honestly most junior enlisted people in the Marine Corps i see where i work at spend all of their spare time getting roaring drunk and generally are pathetic Individuals with lots of idle time doing nothing and getting paid for it living in goverment quarters at taxpayer expense that is in better shape than most privately owned rental property.and none of them have a clue much less a life and have rear-echelon paranoia everytime there is a combat deployment.
Perhaps he needs to meet some of the real workers, those in the so “middle class ” with their worthless federal employee unions that don’t work to hard generally living way beyond their means buying property and automobiles they can’t afford and running up huge credit tabs and owing everybody in town. and their kids eating them out of house and home.What a life..

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I have been an analyst 20– years we want a safe America but at what Cost. I am sorry to say this can only be acc. One way with $$$ & Men And Women who serve in our Armed forces. Nobody wants to beleive China is Ahead of us but they R. & were 10 years Ago we need to spend more on training less on Bullshit test where U no who the contracts R going to. I AM STILL WAITING ON OBAMA TO SAVE US !! REMEMBER HIS PROMISE. HE DOES NOT.

§ 1: All people are editors.
§ 2: All editors are equal.
§ 3: But some editors are more equal than others.
§ 4: These are called the “Censors”.

Freefallingbomb,
I guess you think splitting the atom is just another day at the office. Your trivialization of some of the most advanced scientific breakthroughs in history demonstrates quite well your lack of intelligence.

Part 1 / 3

Most of the A-Bomb’s fathers had already previously examined all related theories to exhaustion, and done it for a living, because they were all anxious for the last step: Enough hardware to carry out their experiments. They got their chance with Project Manhattan. But after each peek into the “universe within the atom”, the necessary hardware for the next breakthrough becomes exponentially bigger and more expensive, culminating with today’s C.E.R.N. .
However, the presumed benefits (and dangers…) are also said to grow unimaginably, even for professional Science Fiction writers’ imaginations.

But fission A-Bombs were (are) ALWAYS the FIRST and SIMPLEST experiments of ANY 100 % domestic nuclear program, contrary to what you think. So, after developing three kinds of A-Bombs in the ‘40s – ‘50s, most of the nuke physicists were on the pulpit or the street again, jobless. All that dubious prestige for nothing.

(Continued)

Part 2 / 3

That’s why they invented all peaceful, civilian (but dangerous and dirty…) uses of atom-splitting like nuclear power plants, nuclear ship engines, nuclear clocks, nuclear batteries, nuclear medical technology, etc. ONLY AFTER World War Two and the beginning of the nuclear arms race, to ensure a regular income at some power plant or factory.
Yup: To them it was just another day at the office.

And to inform you who the real ignorant here is,

1) the nuclear pioneers around the turn of the last century made their first discoveries and precursor experiments on SINGLE , small, paltry, wooden tables in their universities, stacked with only a few primitive apparatuses (stll on exhibition today),

(Continued)

Part 3 / 3

2) the Soviets, the Chinese, the Indians, the Pakistanis, the South Africans (?), the North Koreans and the Iranians developed their nuclear arsenals COMPLETELY ISOLATED AND OSTRACIZED by the rich, “advanced” West, and many other poor nations will hopefully follow them, too (long live Democracy!)

and

3) anti-proliferation scare-mongerers constantly frighten us how EASY it is for a few Physics engineers to assemble a home-made nuclear bomb ( A REAL one, not just a simple “dirty bomb” = a pipe bomb or a firework stuffed with filings of radioactive metals), once they gain access to most of its components (for example through a laboratory or a power plant or imports).
Nobody insists on 100 % perfect combustion of the nuclear core…

Another day in the TOOL SHACK , not even at the “office” !

FFB — well of course we cannot compare all the people working for the DOD and defense companies with you, oh genius. How do you have time to even post on this site? You know, in between developing a 6th generation fighter and new stealth bomber from your parents basement.

Like your post below, wow way to use big words, you’re so smart no one else on this site even knows what you’re talking about.

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