US Warns PRC of Anti-Sat Debris

US Warns PRC of Anti-Sat Debris

Earlier this month, the State Department learned that debris from the Chinese weather satellite destroyed in their 2007 anti-satellite test would be coming uncomfortably close to another — functioning — Chinese satellite.

So, like any good neighbor, State told China about the possibility of a collision. In technical terms, the US shared conjunction analysis with our PRC brethren. But, as often happens with the fabulously opaque Chinese government, the US isn’t sure if China heard us or believed us. At a conference on space debris last week in Germany, a U.S. military officer spoke with someone presumed to be a PLA officer and asked this person if they had heard of the US information. None of the three Chinese attending the conference admitted to knowing about this. (Of course, they also said they didn’t know much English but were spotted avidly reading policy papers handed out at the conference…)

But the fact that the US shared that information with China demonstrates clearly how much has changed since the Bush administration on this front. U.S. policy is now to work closely with all space powers on matters of mutual interest, such as space debris, possible collisions and other issues.


For example, for the first time in almost half a dozen years, State Department officials are speaking with their Russian colleagues about space policy issues, including TCBMs — transparency and confidence building measures — according to Frank Rose, deputy assistant secretary of State for space and defense policy. Rose spoke Friday at a conference on space policy sponsored by George Washington University. An important spur to those talks was the collision in February last year between a Russian satellite and one owned by Iridium. The Iridium satellite was destroyed.

In addition to the Speaking with the Russians on such issues is occurring in part because Russia is a country with which the United States has a relatively long and explicable set of relations over space issues. Rose noted that when we and the Russians send each other signals about or via space we tend to understand each other quite well. “We don’t have that kind of relationship with China,” Rose said. A space expert with detailed knowledge of PRC space capabilities and its military told me the US knows very little of how the PLA is structured, who actually makes decisions about space operations and policy or how the PLA and Ministry of Foreign Affairs work together (if at all).

In addition to Russia and China, Rose said it is “key” that the US work closely with the merging space powers of India, Brazil and South Africa to ensure TCBMs are as widely practiced as possible.

On the military side, the US is considering what would have been heretical a few years ago — opening its space operations center — the JSPOC — to allies, fully integrating them into its structure and operations, said Gregory Schulte, deputy assistant secretary of Defense for space policy. British and Australian officers are already attached to the JSPOC but current training and doctrine means that what they can know and do is circumscribed.

Schulte’s remarks are likely a preview of what should be released in November when the first-ever national security space strategy is published. (This used to be known as the space posture review.) It is largely finished and is currently undergoing review by the intelligence community, we hear.

Schulte said the US may expand access to the JSPOC, making at a C(oalition) SPOC. Likely candidates would be the NATO-plus countries. “There may be difficulties getting everybody in the same space,” he said. Most difficult to overcome will be the deeply-ingrained culture that no one foreign should know about classified U.S. space capabilities.

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“But the fact that the US shared that information with China demonstrates clearly how much has changed since the Bush administration on this front. ”

For the worse. Your gleeful almost orgasmic tone as you report on opening up our facilities to others makes you suspect as a security risk. You certainly come off as one of those Soros-sponsored, obamunist one-worlders who really has no need for “America” — thats too “pre-modern” for you, eh?

GET OUT OF OUR GOVT you traitor.

Ok on the plus side, yes, if space wasn’t so full already, then the strategic advantage of withholding conjecture information would be worth more than the risk of their debris hitting their satellite and then that satellite hitting one of our assets. I appreciate your patriotism. It is too sad that your patriotism doesn’t come with basic geometry. You see, now that LEOS and other orbits are getting as full as the 66 at rush hour, the risk of NOT sharing conjecture info, in terms of catastrophic impact to our strategic and friggin expensive spacecraft, is greater than the risk that we’re giving our enemy an astrodynamic standard primer

The world does not take the U.S’s warnings seriously,even with the AAA rated labels on it.The desperate criminal nation should stop doing desperate things

Some US Officer that doesn’t speak Chinese could work out what was going on — sounds about normal, I guess he was waiting for the Chinese to send him a brochure.

The reality is that the Chinese space program is powering ahead with cooperation with just about everybody except the US. ESA and the Russians have multiple projects going on with them. In contrast the head of NASA was told not to even talk about cooperation when visiting China recently.

Like so many other American industries we’d much rather watch our expertise erode than compete in the global market with it.

The Chicomms are developing anti-sat systems and planning to put a red on the moon while imam obama uses nasa to improve his muslim buds self esteem. Yeah. This is going well.…

How long does it usually take for all of this junk in orbit to get pulled into the atmosphere and burn up?

To the poster William C.

You asked: “How long does it usually take for all of this junk in orbit to get pulled into the atmosphere and burn up?”

“At higher altitudes, where atmospheric drag is less significant, orbital decay takes much longer. Slight atmospheric drag, lunar perturbations, and solar radiation pressure can gradually bring debris down to lower altitudes where it decays, but at very high altitudes this can take millennia.”
http://​en​.wikipedia​.org/​w​i​k​i​/​S​p​a​c​e​_​d​e​b​r​i​s​#​D​e​b​r​is_…
(First phrase)

Winding back the time 53 years is easier…

And somehow I think that “Wikipedia”‘s guess is unrealistically optimistic, or distracted: “Slight atmospheric drag, lunar perturbations, and solar radiation pressure” didn’t rid Earth’s vicinities in the past 4,5 b(BBB)illion years (that’s 4,5 MILLION millenia!) from all the natural meteorites and micro-meteorites (planetary rubble and dust), 10.000 – 20.000 tons of which still fall on Earth each single year ( = 27 tons – 54 tons per day). The vast rest besieges Earth in extremely stable orbits for eons.

In comparison to that, ALL man-made debris in orbit today only has a mass of 5.500 tons.

There goes my Space resort hotel project…

The transparency and question marks about China are probably a bit over stated, given ESA and Russia cooperate with them, they would have some understanding about the capabilities of the Chinese which im sure they would share withe the US. Cooperation with China would be good for this reason but there are other factors at play that make that more difficult (currency and economic issues for starters).

China has a big military and it wouldnt surprise me that the guys they send to a conference didnt know what someone else had been told. Sounds like a typical military to me. You’re reading too much into it.

It is a massive issue when some rookie space faring nation blows stuff up when the sky is getting full thereby causing problems for everyone. Even when there was relatively few satellites and they had space to themselves the Russians and the US resisted these types of tests because of the headache they caused. We need to get an international space body going — get everyone on the same page and abide by the same rules or else it will only take one to screw it up for everyone else.

goldwater wasx wrong during the civil rights movement, and your wrong now. By the way, he’s dead.

wow lotsa republitard douchebags in here… lmao China isn’t going away and that analtard republicans are the ones shipping the corporate wealth overseas to begin with.… when are you racists gonna stop berating obama and own up. you are the ones didn’t wanna sink capitol into the steel industry in this country. Not lucrative enough for you greedy skunks I guess. Seeing how you need to profit regardless of the real world lives you ruin. Long as you gets your big dolla in your pocket screw the world… selfish nasty group of opinionated foul thinking greedy biotches… you don’t like obama???? is he cutting into your bottom line??? making you step up and pay out like the rest of the country.… you spoiled rotton hypocrite liar racists… You people created this mess and you wanna moan cause obama is gonna tax you. I am from illinois… didn’t care for obama as a choice cause I thought he was to green. but hell I would support this guy now without hesitation. Because hearing you republican tards cry is priceless !!!!! Pricelesss I tell you!!!! bwahahahaha

Your not the bright are you Mr. Liberal? I find it strange how that is a common trait among you types.

There are some good guide books that may help you learn about grammar and punctuation. Perhaps you should learn that before taking a political stance.

“Your not the bright are you Mr. Liberal? I find it strange how that is a common trait among you types.”

For what it’s worth the correct spelling would be “you’re” not “your.” And it would seem that you are missing a word in your first sentence.

Poor grammar and spelling is apparently not affiliated with any political ideology.

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