No KC-X Protest, For Now

No KC-X Protest, For Now

EADS North America CEO Sean O’Keefe today said that while he trusts that the Air Force’s word that no game changing information was disclosed when the service mistakenly sent data on rival bids to each of the KC-X competitors, he cannot rule out the possibility that EADS may protest this latest round of competition.

Speaking to reporters in Washington during his first public appearance since the Aug. 9 plane crash in Alaska that killed Sen. Ted Stevens and left O’Keefe badly injured, the executive repeatedly said the Air Force is conducting an extremely fair and “above board” competition all in a way that would ensure the “avoidance of a [sustainable] protest.”

He went on to say that EADS has no objections to how the Air Force handled the aftermath of the mix-up. However, it may be too early to tell if initial reports that no compromising information was shared with each bidder are accurate, he added.


The Air Force responded to news of the mix up it “promptly,” said O’Keefe. “As soon as it had been reported to them that it was released, and it was clear that this was an inadvertent release, all the information was recalled and they asked for everything that would go with that to validate that inspection.” He added that EADS officials did not look at the data they had received about rival Boeing’s KC-767-based bid. He could only trust that Boeing officials had done the same with information on EADS’ KC-45 bid.

“What the ultimate import of that is, we’ll see,” said O’Keefe. “But, [Air Force officials] have offered the assessment, early, that this was not a compromising event in their opinion. We’ll see whether that sustains itself. Again, everything to date suggests a strict adherence to a process of integrity.”

Despite this, O’Keefe could not guarantee that a protest will not arise.

“I cannot begin to speculate” on whether something that would warrant a protest will arise in the coming months.

Last week, Defense News reported that the service had sent EADS and Boeing information about each other’s airplane’s performance in the Integrated Fleet Aerial Refueling Assessments. These assessments play a key role in the Air Force’s evaluation of the bids as they are being used to evaluate the performance of the jets in a variety of different military scenarios.

O’Keefe also indicated that EADS could be interested in a split buy for the deal as has been proposed for KC-X in years past. The former acting Navy Secretary noted that split buys work well in the maritime arena, as evidenced by the recent move by the U.S. Navy to buy both classes of Littoral Combat Ship. Still, he acknowledged that such a scenario seems unlikely given the Pentagon’s insistence that it wants to go with a single tanker supplier. Any split buy would have to provide enough work to each company per year to make such an offer fiscally viable.

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Wow. I don’t think the Air Force is ever going to get new tankers unless they build the planes themselves.

Or sole source. Boeing is the only politically acceptable source. Split buy? That died with John Murtha.

No, not even close.

DOD can cancel the competition and request sole source authority. Politically, the euro solution won’t fly. Meanwhile, a final ruling on the WTO case approaches.…

Good Afternoon Folks,

This is a rather interesting post. The statement by EADS is nearly identical as the one from Boeing that started the last protest.

The split buy “suggestion” is EADS is saying to Boeing we have you by the ba**s, here is the deal. Take it or we do this for a forth time.

This is old fashion hard ball, the USAF has effectively put itself out of the game now. Either a split big on the highest price or a protest that is sure to pass.

ALLONS,

Byron Skinner

Huh? They haven’t “pulled off” anything with LCS; that’s just the Navy’s momentary fantasy. When it shows up in an appropriations bill, passed by both houses of Congrest and approved by the president, then it has been “pulled off”.

Just think, this whole thing could have been over last May, but Gates & DOD opened the door for EADS to “compete”. Now we have the “war without end” scenario. What drove this? Did Sarko promise support for Iran sanctions & support for an expanding NATO role in Afghanistan? Or did the USAF just want this european airplane at the expense of U.S. workers and the U.S. aerospace infrastructure?

This whole process is patently self-destructive.

Cancel it and sole source it to the American company.

Because providing our fighting men and women with the best availible equipment is never going to trump pork-barrel politics, lets just buy Boeing. Because of how the USAF let Congress knock this much needed program into a a industry circus, the USAF deserves the more expensive(long term), less capable, and harder to maintain aircraft. Do not forget that most other nations are going Airbus, so inter-operabilty is going to be less. The 767 based tanker is going to be a winner, just look at all of the airlines retiring them as fast as they can. Why not fire up the two rows of KC-10s sitting(for over 10 years) in the Davis-Monthan Boneyard and convert the 28 MD-11s sitting at Pinal Air park at the other end of the county, it might cost less.

Hmm. We have a Republican House, a filibuster-capable Senate, a sick economy that would benefit in stimulus-like long-term ways for a cheaper-than-stimulus additional $1 billion annually over current costs, AirSea Battle Pacific distances, and a hero former NASA head EADS North America CEO saying split buy is a possibility…and you think it comes down to John Murtha dying?

Yeah and that EADS North America helicopter will never fly, either. The WTO already said Boeing benefits from similar government help…both state and federal.

Just a technicality. The LCS split buy is nearly an identical situation. One built in a red state area, the other in a blue state area. One foreign, one U.S., American jobs from both. The original LCS buy requesting 15 ships and now moving to 20. The KC-X split buy would go from 15 to two sources of 10 each annually.

Because a KC-30 has a far superior fuel burn rate than a KC-10 or KC-777, and when you factor in Pacific distances. As the IFARA study no doubt shows, the KC-30 also has a better fuel burn rate than a KC-767 to carry more fuel typical distances, top off a few aircraft and then top-off a partner KC-767 on station followed by a return to Guam/Hawaii/Darwin/Alaska/Diego Garcia to top off again.

Then factor in that we should be saving strained C-17 hours for future deployments and logistical supply, instead using larger KC-30s for casualty transport and pallet movement.

Holy moley dude, I need to rush out and get my foreign passport or green card as should all the folks who live near Mobile since none of us are American workers…BTW, I have nothing to do with EADS NA or any lobbyist organization.

As an aside, did you see the recent Chinese air show with all the UAS where it was speculated that they are learning about aerospace technology from work given them by Boeing? All is forgiven once you guys roll over and allow a split buy…stopping this nonsense about only one aircraft being “All-American.”

The end is near.

As I recall, EADS opened an A320 assembly line in China. Of course, they are can’t be learning anything from that, can they?

EADS stated at the Farnborough airshow that they would need the the entire tanker contract to make U.S. assembly financially worthwhile. A split buy will only guarantee work in Toulouse, not Mobile. They might let you put the decals on and the outer coat of paint.…

The appropriations process is a “technicality”? You’re serious, aren’t you?

How do you know what the WTO said about Boeing? It hasn’t been released, at least publicly.

A “hero former NASA head EADS North America”? Who’s that? Sean O’Keefe? He was former SECNAV, put there as I recall to help the service put the Tailhook mess behind it. He did head NASA. He gave the government a good effort, but the “hero” part eludes me. There was a former SECNAV, James Webb, now a Senator from Virgina, who won the Navy Cross. Perhaps you have the two confused?

A split buy would NOT guarantee a production line in Mobile. Quite the contrary. EADS stated they needed the whole deal to make it worthwhile.

Keep drinking that kool aid.

“Today, Jiang is one of 150 Boeing employees working in China, while another 6,100 work for Boeing joint ventures and subsidiaries there. And all of Boeing’s current commercial airplanes, from the 737 to the 787 Dreamliner, incorporate parts made in China.”

The above is from a Boeing article extolling its business with China:

Kool Aid is now made by a Mexican subsidiary of Kraft. Bet you think all American cars are made in the USA, too. Newsflash…many Japanese and European cars are built in the U.S. It’s a global economy and multi-national corporations are the norm.

And you apparently believe a win-win political gain for red and blue state constituents is implausible?

So you’re telling me this lifelong public servant who survived a painful plane crash and who is now back at work for the American subsidiary of a foreign corporation is not a hero…for proposing a compromise that provides the best of both KC products sooner to our Joint Services and American workers?

Don’t know from your false implication of inside information, but read leaked stuff about DoD products potentially made in Alabama where my family lives/works.

No… I think chapter 48 of the never-ending tanker saga is just getting started…

Of course, instead of Byron’s take on the paraphrasing of comments on the split buy, it could be that EADS is desperate and knows it will lose head to head with the current rules so it is desperately trying to change the rules after the fact. Sounds kind of like the last time we went through this mess when the GAO found that the USAF decided on the winner using criteria that wasn’t in the solicitation.

Yes.

No, I believe the congressional appropriations process is more than a “technicality”. A split buy brings a paint booth to Alabama & little else. All the manufacturing and assembly will likely stay in Toulouse.

As I stated earlier, a split buy won’t get you much in Mobile but a nice painting facility and some janitorial jobs.…

Only an outright airbus win will bring the assembly line to Mobile. Note the words “assembly”. The aircraft will still be manufactured in Europe. Can you grasp this?

If a bidder is going to protest because their competitor saw information they shouldn’t have, the protest needs to come shortly after this becomes known. You can’t wait until you lost and then try to call foul on such a thing. But how would either side KNOW if officials involved in the bidding saw the material? Usually such materials go through the contracts folks first. I do, however, find it odd the press has not reported that ANYONE from either side has recused themselves from further involvement.

and full a330f assembly and service (for the usa at least) and militarization of the plane.

did the boeing offer the improved 767 with the 787 glass cockpit?

Good Morning Folks,

I see Boeing is sweating this one, for those of you who don’t know Cole is one of Boeings big guns, when he shows up posting Boeing is sweating.

Since I have no dog in this fight, I think the who deal should just be dumped and the do some serious due dilligance on the Air Force and Navy’s [art to determine what and how many tankers are required. Right now we are just guessing. For those of you again new to this issue the number of aircraft of the first bid was for 500 tankers.

I don’t know which is more amusing Byron, the fact that you are accusing Cole of working for Boeing here on DoDbuzz, or the fact that if you read Cole’s posts you would see he is actually supporting EADS offer. If Boeing was sweating I don’t think they would hire some random guy to support EADS on the internet.

After all, we all know that the Pentagon, Congress, and White House all hang on every word posted at dodbuzz!

At the current production rate and funding Congress has authorized for the KC-X , a split buy is not feasible. EADS has said it could not justify an assembly plant in Mobile for such a low production rate. French built KC-X anybody?

Aurora, your comments are nonsense.
a) The Mobile Airbus assembly line is for the freighter version. It would be built even in case of a split buy.
b) Second, each tanker conversion is in the hundreds of thousands of direct labor hours. Multiply that times 80 aircraft (split buy) and you get 16 million man hours direct blue collar labor…or 1000 employees working 10 years (or 500 for 20 years). That is a lot of janitors. Plus the engineering labor to support production…

Good Evening Folks,

Just to update Cole, in yesterdays WSJ, 11/24/10 there was an article on this and it appears from that story that EADS is already lawyering up on a bid protest.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

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