Mideast Now; Is China Next?

Mideast Now; Is China Next?

Recent upheavals in the Middle East — including the overthrow of the governments in Tunisia and Egypt, riots in Bahrain, and near civil war in Libya — raise the question of what lessons the People’s Republic of China, and especially the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), are likely to have learned.

The concern focuses not only on whether the Chinese foreign policy of non-interference is appropriate and sustainable (although the attacks on Chinese oil workers in Libya prompting their likely evacuation would suggest not) but also whether the Chinese are likely to interpret this upheaval as underscoring the need to become more democratic.

What we have seen of a Chinese reaction suggests, however, that such views are hopelessly optimistic. The Chinese leadership’s immediate reaction has been to clamp down on the parts of the Internet that are accessible from within China. This has included restrictions on Web sites such as LinkedIn, as well as blocks on searches for terms such as “Egypt” and “Jon Huntsman” (the U.S. ambassador to China).


For the Chinese leadership, a reasonable question is whether they see many parallels with their own situation. Both Egypt and Tunisia are far poorer than China. Thus, Tunis and Cairo arguably had fewer resources with which to either buy off or suppress protestors.

Moreover, the Egyptian and Libyan militaries do not see their fates as tied to that of the Mubarak and Qaddafi regimes. By contrast, the CCP has gone to great lengths to ensure that the Chinese military, whose officer corps are almost all members of the CCP, identifies itself with the Party. The divestiture of military-run businesses ensures that the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has few distractions and is a further contrast between the Chinese and Egyptian militaries.

Nonetheless, the growing disparities between the Chinese coastal and inland regions, the great inequalities between the Chinese rural and urban populations, and real questions about corruption and lack of accountability are all sapping domestic Chinese cohesion. For the next generation of Chinese leaders—such as Xi Jinping and Li Keqiang, who are associated with the “princelings,” or children of senior Party officials—the ongoing unrest in the Middle East must raise real questions about the problems that will confront them.

Dean Cheng is a China expert at the Asian Studies Center of the Heritage Foundation.

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open you eyes, you have make one dream
If china make one revolt , remember tiananmen and tibet
If china have make his “own” google and his “own” internet program that’s nor for nothing

you have 1.5bn chinese, i’m sure 1 bn of then don’t have see revolts in the arabs world.Only chinese who live in hong kong, changhai and other coastal city know the reality but they have work and don’t will lose it, if they say : “can i have one promotion” his chief say good bye and recruit another guy (they have millions choice…)

When the politics of one children have make his effect (2040–2050) and when many chinese wa old, in this time you can have one revolt, but not now, specially when you know the economy have take british, french,german and now japan place in the top of power.Only USA was before, that’s evolute for what make one revolution if we are all years more rich?

Eh, NO. The main difference is that the Chinese government is viewed by Chinese as a driver of their economic expansion and prosperity. For the past 10+ years the Chinese government has been throwing all the stops at bringing its people out of poverty and they recognize it. The Middle Eastern governments were viewed as the problem.

I’m sure the people of China are not happy about censorship and draconian rules, who would be? What they are happy with is their economic growth and standard of living. In its current state the Chinese Government and its people have struck a Faustian bargain. We the peasants will give up our freedom and liberty, but in exchange the government will promise us economic growth and prosperity. Despite a global recession and other setback that bargain seems to be holding. Don’t expect that to change until something dramatic happens to China’s economy which undermines the government’s ability to maintain that bargain.

China’s economy is doing fairly well, so no.

I hope China isn’t next. Imagine if that country fell apart and ended up in a civil war.

The way they’re going its only a matter of time before they eclipse us as the global power so they’d be foolish to change that. But then again, people can be foolish.

I see it staying closer to home in Iran, Pakistan and maybe Malaysia. If it spreads ouside of Muslim countries then I wouldnt be supprised to see it start in South/Central America where the folks face a lot of the same issues…

America is next. California, Texas, Alaska should declare independence from the repressive, murderous regime.

Actualy it would more than likely be Texas, Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, and a few others — Cali is too liberal and doesnt like conservitive states. But with all the unrest and growing divide between peoples beliefes here, it is just possible as anywhere else in the world. but I dont think so.

“We are in an era like the 1950s where technological innovation is transforming the tools of coercion and war,” he said. “We tend not to see this, and look at information warfare, financial warfare, precision strike, [weapons of mass destruction], etc. as separate silos. It’s their parallel co-evolution that leads to interesting options, like counter-elite targeting. And no one is really looking at this in an overall ‘systems’ way. Diplomacy is way behind here.”

Mr. Freeman wrote the report for the Pentagon’s Irregular Warfare Support Program, part of the Combating Terrorism Technical Support Office, which examines unconventional warfare scenarios.

“The preponderance of evidence that cannot be easily dismissed demands a thorough and immediate study be commenced,” the report says. “Ignoring the likelihood of this very real threat ensures a catastrophic event.” — http://​www​.washingtontimes​.com/​n​e​w​s​/​2​0​1​1​/​f​e​b​/​2​8/f

In my opinion, this sort of sabotage likely played a part in how we procure weapons here in the US too.

The fact is, it is more likely the Chinese are behind all of this than it is they are threatened by any “instability”.

Just take a look at the price of corn, wheat, and soybeans over the last year…thats why the Jasmine chant is give me food.….it will start in central China with the peasants not in the emerging middle class…thats a slightly different model than the middle east but I think the emerging middle class will side witht he peasants and that will be that.

Yeah, they’re in dire straights with only being able to grow their economy at a rate of 10% or more for the last 2 decades. We’ve already given them 1/3 of our industrial might. Let’s give them another third this decade and see if that doesn’t make them happy. We’re a friggen nation of idiots.

There are ways around the great Chinese Firewall.
Now it is up to Americans to start boycotting all products and services made in China.

Good Evening Folks,

As usual Heritage gets it wrong. China is very much at risk in the Islamic Revolution. I guess that Mr. did study the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region and it’s 21,590,000 people who are 86% Islamic.

Take a look what is happening in Islam is following the Silk Road.

In the past decade China has expelled over 2 million Islamic people by outside estimate Islamic people out of China and into Kyrgyzstan (pop. 5,508,626) and Tajikistan (pop. 7,487,489) of course neither of these small countries are unable to deal with the influx of “chinese” that are be herded across their borders and are on the brink.

The building of a rail line from Kashjar to Gwadar will only open more doors for Muslims to come onto China.

The political split between the PLA, the CCP and the secular Government is quite apparent, most recently in the two embarrassments to President Hu when Sec. Gates was visiting and the trial of the J-20 and the attempted launch of a DF-21A on Jan. 26.

Jasmine is a new protest that is yet to define any leadership or real goals but has the makings to create another Tiananmen Square this Summer.

If all this isn’t enough. The first two months of this year the inflation rate for 2011 has already topped 10%, oil is at a $100.00 a barrel and the fuzzy accounting procedures that has shown Chinese growth have bee doctored numbers, actual real growth is less then half of what has been stated the past 15 years.

What is happening in Libya, and the rest of the middle east is going to cost China tens of billion of dollars in uncollectible receipts for weapons sold to the dictators who are going down, when it hits Syria and Iran China will be in big hit.

I’ve about used up my alloted time here, in conclusion China appears to be on the brink of doing a Soviet Union. More will be forth coming on The Daily Teaspoon.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

One again BS byron takes the anti-Ameirca pro Chicomm (obama) position.

It is mere obama propaganda to suggest Hu did not know of the J20 test in advance.

Good Morning Folks,

Hi Bill. Lets see you are saying that the President of a Communist country, China, had not been informed before the facts of the J-20 test flight, or, assuming, the DF-21A ICBM test of Jan. 26 as he was getting off a plane at Andrews AFB.

Sorry Bill I just can’t buy into that one. As for what I said feel free to look up the information of the net. The source of the numbers is “The CIA World Fact Book 2011″. The one’s taking the Communists cover up position is Mr. Cheng and the Heritage Foundation of whom the PRC is a paying customer, not me.

I also have notes from a lunch interview, I had a couple of weeks ago with a Dr. Wi who is a visiting professor of Economics at the University of California of which I will put up more about on The Daily Teaspoon.

ALLONS,

Byron Skinner

So your latest theory is that the Heritage Foundation are actually communist agents? Think about this stuff before you write it.

What would prevent the Chinese from brutally putting down an Islamic uprising? We saw what they did to their own students and youth. The world will condemn their actions, slap them on the wrist with some temporary trade restrictions, but in a few years business would return to normal.

Good Afternoon Folks,

Lets see lobbying the US congress on behalf of the PRC for money. I would assume that The Heritage Foundation had filed all of the proper paperwork to represent the PRC in the United States then I would have to say that Heritage Foundation is in fact an agent for a Communist Government.

Note the above information from the WSJ as well as be put up a year or so ago on this web site.

What’s stopping the PLA from going in and taking control oh I would say 21, 590,000 people of witch 86% are Islamic might give even the Chinese pause to think. A look at the current PLA does not show that impressive of a force. Their is no combat experience among their officers or senior enlisted personal, their training is still far below western standards. In reality a close look at the PLA show a rather hallow force.

The PLA has one Division size HQ in the area, the 5th. Division, but it is not manned as is an PLAAF air base that is unused. The elevations are to high for helicopters and the PLA troops have not trained at those altitudes.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Agree with all of what you said except for their standard of living, while the Chinese economy has greatly improved, the peoples standard of living has failed to improve much (in some areas it got worst). It just isn’t up to pace (not even close) compared to their economic improvements.

Ofcourse you can blame that on how little the Chinese get paid, but if you increase their pay, all these companies wouldn’t be able to buy and sell cheap products. And why would you want to buy expensive POS products, when you can buy it at same price, but with high quality in America, or any other western country?

Just because a countries economy is doing wonderful, doesn’t mean the people have a high standard of living. Look at the US economy, its the best in the world, but people still suffer, and some even live in poverty. (And we can thank that on all these useless CEO’s that don’t work but get paid billions, or who **** up cause a global recession, but the government steals our money and bails the billionaires out)

It already happened before, and we got the current Chinese government. If it happens again, it couldn’t get worst.

Good Evening Folks,

Thunder350. I agree with all that you said and have an explanation for it. You see when China calculates it GDP the make an adjustment called the PPP or Purchasing Power Parity, a little economic Voodoo that adjusts the Chinese standard of living relative to that of the United States.

Example. The the PRC GDP for 2009 is PPP estimated at $8.789 trillion (US Dollars) in adjusting the non traded Yuan to the Dollar the PPP is applied witch in 2009 is estimated to be about $1.4 trillion USD’s. China also freely counts economic activity by Chinese enterprises that are outside of China in its GDP and double counts government subsidiary of private companies twice, in the value of the product and in transfer payments by government which they leave in the GDP number.

Since the Chinese don’t put out any real hard numbers it is only a guess of what China’s GDP might be in western accounting terms but I’ve see a number of about $5.5 Trillion USD stated by folks without any vested personal or institutional interest who are trying to figure China out.

Using the figure of 4%.5 trillion a lot of things about China economy makes sense, including why they don’t want the Yuan traded on international markets. This also address the apparent contradiction in what is reported as Chinas standard of living and whey you have observed Thunder 350.

Note: Sources for China’s economy come from the “CIA World Fact Book 2011″

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Actually many Chinese are okay with the censorship and a see it as a necessary evil.

Alot of your post is insightful and accurate but I disagree that the PRC will do a USSR or implode this year or anytime soon.

There’s photos of PRC government forces putting down “rebellions” in Xinjiang and Tibet. Do a search for photos or videos online and you will see pretty brutal responses to the civilian populations there that the PRC government claims are outside agitators or criminals.

Byron is just hoping that the Chinese will collapse — which is after all our official competitive policy — hoping for a miracle.

All the indicators are that the Chinese economy is growing faster then they are reporting because regional officials are trying to avoid central government controls to prevent overheating by under-reporting.

White collar America is staring into the oncoming headlights of the Chinese Juggernaut paralyzed with fear knowing that it has already shredded the blue collar workforce. Perhaps pretending it isn’t happening is the best we can do.

Good Morning Folks,

My oh my. To SSG Peters the photos you are most likely referring to are the photoshopped. Last summer the PLA did a military exercise in Xinjiang, so what?

Now don’t forget the Urghur murders?

To all you butternuts who still cling to the right wing belief that China is an economic powerhouse with all this unbelievable growth. It was announced this morning that China will increase wages by 14% in April, the third wage increase in less the a year for a total of 44% increase and the the top income tax bracket will pat 45% or in China the upper income folks are now paying 26.7% more the the same group in the US.

No the Chinese are not OK with censorship.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

I don’t think that will happen. We still like thier chowmain.

THIS HAS TO BE THE SIMPIEST THE MOST LOGICAL AND MOST EFFECTIVE WAY we can clip the Chinese wings ofexpansion and their goal of world dominance..Question is can we do it? Against this scenario are giant American Business in China..manufacturers, WALMART, etc.…Profit first..these businesses do not care about American security…as long asthey make profits…

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