In Praise of Tac Air, Bombers

In Praise of Tac Air, Bombers

The Air Force must continue changing, focusing more on the joint fight, keeping its focus on increased UAV deployments and seeking balance between transport, rescue and the other missions demanded of it today, Defense Secretary Robert Gates told the Air Force Academy.

Lest he be accused of hammering fighter pilots again, Gates said he has been misunderstood when he has made speeches at West Point and before the Navy League criticizing basic systems and how they are used and built.

“At the Navy League last year, I suggested that the Navy should think anew about the role of aircraft carriers and the size of amphibious modernization programs. The speech was characterized by some as my doubting the value of carriers and amphibious assault capabilities altogether. At West Point last week I questioned the wisdom of sending large land armies into major conflicts in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, and suggested the Army should think about the number and role of its heavy armored formations for the future. That has been interpreted as my questioning the need for the Army at all, or at least one its present size, the value of heavy armor generally, and the even the wisdom of our involvement in Afghanistan. I suspect that my remarks today will be construed as an attack on bombers and tac-air,” he said.


Not so, he said. He’s trying to refocus the services away from their traditional core missions, whose advocates have tended to distort what the services buy and what they should do and who should lead. And Gates believes “that the view still lingers in some corners that once I depart as Secretary, and once U.S. forces drawdown in Iraq and in Afghanistan in accordance with the President’s and NATO’s strategy, things can get back to what some consider to be real Air Force normal. This must not happen,” he said.

Once the drawdowns occur and budgets grow tighter, what we might call the recidivist forces may rise, Gates made clear. So he praised those working across the services, noting work on the Air-Sea Doctrine, saying the services leadership “recognize the enormous potential in developing new joint war fighting capabilities.…”

But he also stressed his belief that some of the traditional Air Force missions really are crucial and that he thinks must be funded and fought, surely music to some blue suiters who think Gates has it out for fighter pilots.

“So even as I’ve touted the need to incorporate the lessons of the current conflicts, I have also committed the Department of Defense, and this country, to the most advanced and expensive tactical fighter program in history – the $300 billion F-35 Joint Strike Fighter,” he told the cadets.

And he defended his decision to cap the F-22 buy at 187: “As I have said before, the F-22 is far and away the best air-to-air fighter ever produced, and it will ensure U.S. command of the skies for the next generation. But in assessing how many F-22s the Air Force needed, the Department had to make choices and set priorities among competing demands and risks. Three years before I took this job, the previous Secretary of Defense imposed a funding cap on the F-22 and approved a program of 183 aircraft. Subsequent analysis conducted by the Department concluded that 187 was the number needed for high-end air to air missions that only the F-22 could perform, the number ultimately chosen. Within a fixed Air Force and overall Department of Defense budget, buying more F-22s would have meant doing less of something else – in this case, other air power capabilities where the military was underinvested relative to the threat.”

At the end of his speech Gates put in a call for the Air Force to encourage leaders who break the mold, citing one particular hero of reformists and those who believe in data driving the fight, fighter pilot and analyst John Boyd.

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Gates theories on air power have always been faulty. Focusing away from our traditional core mission as he puts it, will produce results that he claims he wants to avoid. Air domination by itself will not win wars. Not having it will certainly lose them. Gates is part of the problem and not part of the solution for maintaining U.S. air domination in the coming years. I don’t see anyone calling for clear-WX, permissive-air-environment drones powered by uprated snowmobile engines to stand up a no-fly zone. Since Gates believes anything Gates does can’t be wrong; he will never figure this out. Let us hope his replacement does.

I recall Sec Gates saying days ago that step one of any no-fly zone would involve attack of Libyan ADA. The Libyan Air Force in air-to-air terms is a joke, and frankly their ADA is not that much better/numerous. Yet stealthy future UCAV and F-35s launched from carriers and long-range bombers from the states easily would handle such air-to-air and ADA threats making MQ-9 Reaper, MQ-X, and Army Gray Eagle flights a survivable day and especially night mission.

Of course if we listened to ELP and Air Power Australia we would need F-22s that can’t launch from carriers, flies at 60,000′ so couldn’t differentiate between combatants and civilians since it has no EO/IR, is gross overkill for the Libyan threats, and might be restricted from European land base launch or overflight. And of course APA would have us believing that Soviet fighters or F/A-18E/F could handle Libya ADA without any stealth or Day 1 pre-preparation. No problemo, right. It worked so well in Georgia.

I am continually amazed at the short-sighted stupidity of Robert Gates. He could have easily dropped the overall number of F-35’s and increased the number of F-22’s. 187 F-22’s is simply not enough.

Not enough…for what?

Not enough for the aliens that are going to attack us on 3/11/11. There’s just no shortage of enemies. :P

Let’s just say I don’t trust Gates further than I can spit him:

“Gates has countered that only 187 are needed, citing internal Pentagon analysis who say peer militarys, like China and Russia, will not be able to field a comparable fifth-generation fighter until the 2020s. When coupled with the Raptor’s cost, Gates has said he is willing to take a bit of near-term risk, since all indications are any fighter that could take on the F-22 is decades away.”

It turns out our fearless leader was clearly wrong.

187 F-22’s is risky business. Why take the risk when we could have hedged our bet quite easily?

The F-22 was built to achieve and maintain air dominance. It is an air superiority fighter, and capable of penetrating the heaviest air defences and to also destroy opposing air defences and critical ground targets. No other fighter in the world can meet it on an even basis thanks to its superlative performance, weapons system and stealth characteristics.The failure to produce a significant, meaningful number of F-22s, will jeopardize attainment and retention of air superiority anywhere on the globe as a primary strategic criteria and could very well amount to a tragic strategic error on the part of the U.S.

Let us also realize that 187 F-22’s does not mean all 187 will be available for combat on any given day. Far from it.

Ask the people who would know. You know, those who head the USAF. At one point they were willing to sacrifice 500 F-35s (that’s five HUNDRED) if it would have got them another 100 F-22s. That’s how much they felt they needed more F-22s. Did Gates listen? Nope. He fired them.

Chinese and Russian stealth aircraft…aren’t. They still will cost in the $100 million range which means few countries will be able to afford them in great numbers.…certainly none but Russia and China approaching 187.

Meanwhile there will be thousands of F-35s operated eventually by double-digit numbers of U.S. services and allies. Russia and China are deterred by MAD and economic interdependence (oil for Russia) more than F-22s.

Adjusted for inflation, the F-4 Phantom if purchased today would cost around $13 million each. The exponential increases in cost and success of U.S. teen-series fighters (only one lost in air-to-air by any U.S. or allied air force), and now stealth fighters, is why potential adversaries are buying tactical ballistic missiles instead. Missiles are cheaper and are not defeated by tri-service stealth fighters and AMRAAM…yet. The F-35 EODAS system is well-suited for ballistic missile defense, as are loitering unmanned aircraft.

The easy thing to have done IMHO was, “let’s keep producing 40 to 60 F-22’s a year until ALL the issues with F-35’s are rectified and sufficient numbers are being produced.”

Canceling the F-22 before we were assured we would have sufficient numbers of F-35’s (notwithstanding the different missions of course) was reckless and dangerous on Sedef Gate’s part.

Ah yes the F-22 the worst procurement disaster is air force history before the F-35 came along such fond memories. Of course anybody would buy F-22s now that they have seen what a dog the F-35 has become.

Meanwhile I see Mullen said yesterday that we need to think very carefully before sending F-22s into Libya because they might be shot down. I was under the illusion that a handful of early model Mig23s and some Vietnam era SAMs was something less than the high intensity integrated air defense that the F-22 was designed to defeat.

Sounds like someone who doesn’t know what a budget is for. We cant run the DoD with the same hand to mouth technique you use for your personal finance.

What a pleasant fairy tale.

Nameless internet trolls unite.

“thousands of F-35s”…

Yes…maybe for the hobby shop patron that has used too much model airplane glue.

You’re missing the point of what Gates said. Whether you agree or not, Its that buying more F-22s would have left them with budget shortfalls that would have left them with too few other capabilities. From Gates perspective its no different than buying so many Virginia class subs at the expense of destroyers.

While I think we should have gotten atleast another handful more, I agree with Gates’ sentiment that drove this decision.

The reason why there will not be thousands of F-35 is that the unit price will not drop below 150 million dollars and purchases by allies will be marginal at best.
The reason why there will be thousands of J-20s is that the PLA has the money (yes, no debt) and plays to win. The USAF leadership knows that they are walking on thin ice, but seem afraid to say so and are afraid to demand an increase in their budget which needs to occur in order to purchase more F-22s or upgrade the F-35 to an A2A fighter with 6 internal missiles, a needed capability which it does not seem to have. And by the way, the new Republican HASC leadership does not get it either.

Actually his idea makes perfect sense if you would look beyond your burning child-like hatred for the military and defense industry.

How was the F-22 program the “worst procurement disaster in USAF history?” I know you hate facts but lets take a look shall we. Here is what we got out of the program:

Major developments in radar and avionics. (modern AESA radars)
A new generation of turbofans significantly more powerful and capable of supercruise. (F119)
187 F-22As (we could have built many more if not for the foolishness of those who think like yourself)
Some new stealth materials and techniques that have contributed to later programs including the F-35
M61A2 and other improved weapon systems

USAF spent its treasure and soul into F-22 to the detriment of all other missions, including ISR, heavy bomber, ISR, airlift, air refueling, special operations, CAS, logistics etc. It perpetuated the notion that paricipating in the joint fight is not a USAF priority, causing damage to USAF reputation to the other Services, to the Congress, and to the public. It also perpetuated the current practice of program management, including out of control requirements, cost, and schedule overruns, thus, leading to future repetitions of past failures until the cycle is broken. F-35 is following the same example set by F-22.

Gates did his duty to kill the F-22 as a way to ensure that Lockheed maximized the amout of free profit they got from the F-35 development program. He is a good lap dog and will be rewarded by his masters, the defense contractors, with a lucrative position once he slides through that revolving door. After all, it makes perfectly good sense to these contractors to terminate a fighter production program at 183 fighters after it has taken 25 years of development to finally get to the production phase. It makes perfect sense to them because they don’t make as much profit off of production as they do development. You watch, as Lockheed nears production on the F-35 there will be more and more pressure to cancel first one model then another of that airplane. That is what these contractors see as the ideal program. They make a profit off of every day they drag out development, and you get squat in return. How many times do they have to do this to you people before you figure out this is the scam they’re running on you?

The accolades to the late Col John Boyd, while appreciated, are 30 years too late. Not promoting him to General was one of the biggest mistakes the USAF ever made.

Looks like in your rush to criticize you missed the part where they would buy F-22s INSTEAD of a number of F-35s, NOT more F-22s IN ADDITION TO the current number of F-35s.

Joint fighter? You mean JSF? The USAF was always a large player in the JSF program. The USAF did have to sacrifice to keep the F-22 alive, but you can thank those in Washington for that. The USAF understood that they could not just keep flying F-15s forever. Politicians didn’t care.

Yea it’s like it payday so you go to the store for your beer but they don’t have it so you buy some other beer instead. It’s all good beer.

Not the way to run a defense department tho.

So in Oblat’s world, if you can’t have only one type of fighter you shouldn’t have a fighter at all. Isn’t it funny how making one fighter do everything doesn’t turn out too well?

Ever hear of the high-low mix? Or do you think that is another contractor conspiracy?

The Chinese could currently walk into the store and buy 20,000 J-20s and pay cash. That is just with the money they have now. The US shows no signs of not giving it a heap more every year.

But of course the Chinese arn’t stupid enough to think that J-20s are boosting their economy the way the contractor shills claim in the US. So they are actually reducing their defense budget as share of GDP. Turns out you don’t need so many J-20 when you own America anyways and it just adds to the sustained advantage Chinese firms have over US ones.

Here I was thinking it was an aircraft program to build an affordable front line fighter but Bill has set me straight — it was actually a mishmash of industry stimulus programs. It remains a mystery why they didn’t just terminate it after the 1st aircraft then. I guess when your in a good bailout program you just don’t want it to stop.

What program are you even talking about now? The F-22 program was supposed to give us a successor to the F-15 and it did that. The problem is we didn’t build enough.

Gates message to the defense contractors is essentially that you need to worm yourself deeper. Cuts are coming and the profligate waste that is obvious to even ordinary Americans looks bad.

>“At the Navy League last year, I suggested that the Navy should think anew about the role of aircraft carriers and the size of amphibious modernization programs. The speech was characterized by some as my doubting the value of carriers and amphibious assault capabilities altogether.

Make no mistake Gates understands the value of the carriers — as cash cows to whole defense industries — he is just pointing out that they have little military value. The job then is to dream up some rational to keep the money flowing.

We have seen the industry response to this for some time. Everything from F-22 stealth fighters to nuclear missile subs is now a “critical” these days to the fight against afghan farmers.

Going by your posts you seem to be one of those “best to remain silent and be thought a fool” types.

Damn, you figured out the conspiracy. Best be on the lookout for the black helicopters!

A simple graph of PRC spending in the last 10 years should be enough to show even you that they are indeed modernizing their military. I don’t know why you would try to deny this.

To Oblat the military and defense industry are faceless masses led by CEOs swimming in pools filled with money. It is the perfect target to be gutted so the government can hand him a nice check for doing nothing. None of the workers or the soldiers matter.

Because air superiority, control of the sea, and the ability to project power across the globe no longer matter.

Because Afghanistan means we will never fight another war that isn’t a counterinsurgency campaign.

Clearly Oblat must be able to see into the future.

All of this is getting too reliant on tech and costing too much to fight a war — one large bird dropping a bunch of 1000 lb NAPALM and cluster bombs on the enemy does more damage (physicly & emotionaly) and cost less than a stealth jet dropping 2 JDAMS on specific targets. What good does it do us to have all this air supperiority when we are doing nothing to produce new or replace old heavy bombers to deliver cheap and effective ordnance on the enemy and thier cities/strongholds. The pentagon still shuts down all the Navy’s efforts to replace thier A6’s –F14’s– OV10’s that they were forced to mothball to get new funding which never came about and the AF is doing thier best to get out of the bombing business & transport duties by inveting only in fighters.

“the F-22 is far and away the best air-to-air fighter ever produced, and it will ensure U.S. command of the skies for the next generation.”

that is exactly Why Barry obama and his lapdog Gates killed the F22 — they do not want US command of the skies.…. The anti-colonialist boy prezident believes American power IS the problem

Conspiracy? It’s all happening right in front of your face. Or are you one of those idiots who believes companies behave in your best interest without regard for their own? Must be nice in Polyanna land. Here in America we believe in capitalism, as in, when you give a contractor a capitalist incentive to screw you, they will.

68% of them will be there for you. That’s the official number.

Without air superiority your “one large bird” will more likely be wreckage sitting on it’s own runway. That’s the point.

no, I mean the joint fight, as in, USAF does not fight win wars by itself, we have a unified command structure. The USAF’s reputation as go it alone glory hogs is perpetuated by acquisitions such as F-22.

the idea that with elite (ie, most expensive) stealth fighters we will have “command of the skies” is the type of linear dinosaur thinking that needs to be left in the 20th century. we can destroy an enemy’s air force on the ground through direct attack, interdiction, clandestine operations, information attack, etc. likewise an enemy can deny us command of the skies through similar activity. The expense and cost overruns in tactical air modernization are depriving the entire defense enterprise needed resources to defend the country. There’s more to national defense than having the best tactical fighter aircraft. The investment priorities are out of whack.

On the good side, F-22 is no longer the worst procurement in USAF history (Actually a great aircraft that was much more expensive and took much longer to develop than advertised). Here comes the F-35 to steal that “honor” away in a landslide! It makes the F-22 look like a bargain in the process. I still member how Lockheed and the Air Force said that F-35 would be easy since they learned all the lessons on F-22. Now the B model is undergoing major significant further delays(IOC moving from 2012 to 2017 at best), the aircraft has wing-drop (like the F/A-18E/F had), the helment doesn’t work (and there is no HUD), the software development is lagging again which may force even more delays. And these are only the problems tat have leaked there way out of the tight lipped say everything is wonderful (regardless of the truth) program.

What in the heck does “anti-coloialist” mean in your world? Are you “pro-colonialist?” Considering that America was a colony, then fought for its independence I thought American were all pretty much anti-colonialist.

Second question before you get your second dose of anti-psychotics; How in the hell is a conservative Republican and former CIA station chief Robert Gates suddenly the “lap dog” of President Obama? Especially when he was hired by President Bush? Why do policies based in reality scare you so much?

Right but what I was trying to say is with nothing to back it up — it does no good, fighters alone do not provide total air supperiority, you have to take out the ground threats just as much as you do the direct air ones. If we dont get our heavy bombers and transport programs moving again then we could have 100K F35’s in the sir and still be ineffective in combat and broke within the first week trying to use them and thier 1.5mil each missiles and smart bombs to replace multiple $2,000.00 each gravity bombs that do more damage.

finally! a strategic thinker! tell em Boomer! these tactical fighter obsessed people need serious correction to their limited, biased thinking.

No service wins wars by itself, and fighter jocks always have that reputation regardless of what aircraft they have.

There was (and still is) a sound need for the F-22 and the emergence of designs like the T-50 and J-20 should finally confirm that.

Libya did down an F-111 when we last raided them. I also question the Reaper and Gray Eagles’ capabilities to survive massive AAA. I suspect that Libya has a system of guns much like Saddam had and those would be devestating to the UAVS.

But then who knows, certainly no one on the SecDef’s staff.

You certainly did not know the man…a general and combat leader he was NOT.

A general he was not, combat leader, yes. He’s got enough of a legacy to be recognized by the SecDef in front of the USAFA audience, what do you have to show?

Contractor greed ensured we didn’t build enough.

Obviously some of the contractor shills like Bill haven’t got Gate’s message yet. It’s easy to forget that the bailouts wont run forever when you’ve spend decades living off the fat.

See where Bill comes from the US government has an infinite amount of Chinese money they are just too stingy to give it all to him and his friends.

It’s ironic to think that the CHinese will be able to build 3 times the number of stealth fighters with the money wasted on the F-22 and JSF. Bills no strategist he’s just concerned with milking the American taxpayer.

Just look at the contractor margins to get your answer. Our military is optimised for contractor profits.

Except if they are Libyan skies then it’s — well better not, they might get shot down by a 50 year old SAM or something, besides the software isn’t finished and it turns red and peels if it goes in the sun. And some of those missions would be longer than an hour which is about the time it takes for a critical failure. Besides are any even out of maintainence ?

dude — read Roots of obama’s Rage

And were George W. Bush and John McCain’s decisions (remeber that McCain led the fight to end production of the F-22 in the congress) also prompted by Nigerian Anti-Colonialism?

what is a wing-drop or can you provide a link regarding the f-35?

nothing? that’s what I thought. years from now we’ll all still be benefitting from Boyd’s work, if we ever gather the guts to actually implement his theories, and your anonymous cheap shot will be forgotten.

Wing drop is the sudden roll of an aircraft that happens during transonic maneuvering as the shock wave on the wings don’t move at exactly the same time. The shock movement changes the lift on that wing causing a sudden roll which generally cannot be overcome with the flight controls. This happens in an area that is typical for dogfight engagements. See: http://​www​.defensenews​.com/​s​t​o​r​y​.​p​h​p​?​i​=​5​4​8​4​169
“Both the U.S. Air Force F-35A variant and U.S. Marine Corps’ F-35B model experienced “transonic wing roll-off, [and] greater than expected sideslip during medium angle-of-attack testing,” the report said.” and http://insidedefense.com//index.php?option=com_iw…

“Discoveries during STOVL Flight Sciences testing this
fiscal year include transonic wing roll-off”

It must be an “interesting” alternate reality you live in. They wanted to build more F-22s but Gates and some others were strongly against it.

Oblat you don’t give a damn about the American people, you just want the military gutted while using contractor corruption and mismanagement as an excuse. The only solutions you ever propose are to cut, cut, and cut.

Stop pretending you aren’t rooting for the Chinese Oblat. It’s pretty clear your want to Americas technological and industrial capabilities devastated for them. So rather than propose any real solutions to the inefficiencies and mismanagement that occurs, you blame everything on a Byzantine conspiracy involving everybody working in the industry. You then scream that we should cancel everything and let our military wither away.

Hate to bring fiscal reality into the conversation but no potential adversary of the U.S. except China and Russia (deterred by nukes and economically interdependence) are in the top 24 defense spenders. The rest are allies that can afford F-35s or European fighters. Most potential foes have defense budgets well under $10 billion annually. If they bought ten J-20 or PakFA each year it would be over a billion when you add operation and maintenance costs.…or 1/10th of their entire defense budgets or more. It would take 18 years to equal our F-22 numbers during which time we will have fielded over a thousand F-35s and stealthy unmanned aircraft and bombers.…in addition to the F-22 and stealthy cruise missiles like JASSM-ER.

The enemy could buy many cheaper fighters you say. They simply end up getting bombed on the ground or have no runway to return to. On the other hand it is easy to hide and replenish tactical ballistic missiles and strike the airfields within reasonable range where we operate F-22s. If it makes little sense to buy countless tens of heavy BCTs and tanks for hypothetical major combat operations with Russia and China, it is equally silly to spend ourselves into bankrupty buying excessive air and seapower.

How about back on topic guys? I believe Gates was trying to say a new priority is in order, but he doesn’t know what that is. For example, I believe we need at least another 100 F-22s. So why not stop funding everything related to the B-52s (old Cold War stuff), including the personnel, and use that money to buy F-22s? Those are the tough but obvious decisions. Same with Navy and its 14 Trident submarines. Decommission half of them and buy more destroyers. And I don’t mean that LCS I-wannabe-a-real-ship-when-I-grow-up.

Your name is Taxpayer and you want to cut out the 80+ B-52H that cost less to operate, carry 20 air-launched cruise missiles and probably similar numbers of JASSM-ER and have a high operational readiness rate. Plus they have been instrumental in every war we have fought since they were built and still have ample life remaining.

Makes no sense.

mostly because the 52 is the only true heavy bomber we have any more and fighters cannot carry enough ordnance to ever replace them. And as far as the tridents — wont ever happen, they are the only thing keeping other nations at bay regardless of how anyone feels about them.

Mr. Gates has again exceeded my expectations by creating this recent speech which is even more bizarre then his prior presentation at West Point.

He starts his latest trip down alternate reality lane with the following statement; “The Air Force must continue changing, focusing more on the joint fight, keeping its focus on increased UAV deployments”.

This is a regular mantra from the ringleader of the “last manned fighter” fallacy, which would not be surprising expect for the January flight of the first Chinese stealth fighter, which was delivered to the world on a date specifically designed to coincide with a visit by Mr. Gates. One might wonder if our Sec. of Defense might take notice of this direct rebuke by the Chinese military on his prior ill-conceived comments on the lack of Chinese/Russian stealth fighters in the near future, but it seems that as usual he’s not listening.

This month we saw the second Russian PAK-FA stealth prototype fly with a third weapons/systems aircraft scheduled to start flying in the near future. Clearly the Russians and Chinese haven’t gotten the memo on the “last manned fighter” and the need for more UAV’s. This again illustrates Mr. Gates strategy of proactive planning for future emerging threats (tarot cards and a well used ouiji board).

The final kick in the crotch from Mr. Gates is dropping the name of John Boyd which is supposed to somehow win back the “hearts and minds” of the Air Force which he has terrorized since his arrival in office.

John Boyd was advocate of manned air power and developed new and innovative tactics/aircraft through careful and thoughtful analysis of past conflicts.

Mr. Gates on the other hand is the direct opposite basing his “opinions” and actions on a political agenda and building his “legacy” as a cost cutting maverick.

He’s without a doubt the worst threat to US air supremacy in many years.…

Gotta agree with Cocidius, John Boyd is rolling over in his grave with Gates invoking his name to justify his actions. Watch these videos and think what he would say about F-35 just to start:

John Boyd Videos http://​www​.youtube​.com/​w​a​t​c​h​?​v​=​R​b​b​4​8​u​U​O​k​q​Q​&​a​m​p​;fe… Part 1
http://​www​.youtube​.com/​w​a​t​c​h​?​v​=​i​5​c​3​y​M​y​-​l​l​A​&​a​m​p​;fe… Part 2
http://​www​.youtube​.com/​w​a​t​c​h​?​v​=​q​5​T​T​e​M​C​o​R​h​M​&​a​m​p​;fe… Part 3
http://​www​.youtube​.com/​w​a​t​c​h​?​v​=​Z​b​b​h​9​b​Y​O​O​o​k​&​a​m​p​;fe… Part 4

The developer of the energy maneuverability theory of fighters and the OODA loop would not be buying into a slow, unmaneuvable, unaffordable aircraft as the answer. Just substitute JSF for F-X when he speaks…

Here’s the exact line from Gates’ speech: “it will need leaders who think creatively and decisively in the manner of Air Force legends like Billy Mitchell, Hap Arnold, Bernard Schriever, and John Boyd.“
Billy Mitchell = Major General. Hap Arnold = 5 Star General. Bernard Schriever = 4 Star General. John Boyd = Colonel. DoD & USAF screwed up big time.

Get a clue. If Boyd were in charge we would not have even bought the F-15 OR F-16 (BOTH were too big/complicated/expensive for his tastes). Instead we would be ‘handcuffed’ with F-5s/F-20s (or similar) for as long as he had anything to say about it.

And Boyd demonstrates his intellectual dishonesty by comparing a F-35 loaded with two AMRAAM + two 2000 lb JDAM + >18,000 lbs of fuel to a F-16 with two Sidewinder + <7000 lbs of fuel.

You just demonstrated that you have absolutely NO knowledge of the work Col. Boyd did on the F-X and the LWF, nor his positions on TACair issues. You’ve apparently got some funny ideas about aerodynamics, too.

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