America’s ‘immoral’ intervention in Libya

America’s ‘immoral’ intervention in Libya

President Obama portrayed the need for the U.S. to act against Libya as a question of humanity — local villain Moammar Qaddafi was poised to destroy one of his own cities, Benghazi, because it was giving shelter to anti-government rebels. If America hadn’t prevented it, Qaddafi could’ve killed thousands, or tens of thousands, of rebels and local innocents, the White House argued. That didn’t happen. But what was the price for stopping this massacre? A deeply politicized quasi-war in which Washington chose to interpret its authorization to act as insufficient to just remove Qaddafi or help anti-government forces bring about a decisive conclusion. To keep from owning another foreign adventure, Obama’s only solid goal in the early days of the operation was to hand responsibility for it over to NATO.

This lack of follow-through makes the U.S. “an immoral superpower,” writes Dan Goure of the Lexington Institute: “What can one say about a nation, a superpower, that starts a war ostensibly in order to save innocent lives and then walks away from the conflict taking its unique military capabilities with it and thereby ensuring that it is prolonged and those same civilians suffer? This goes way beyond the bystander watching an old lady getting mugged on the street but not intervening. That is irresponsible. This is more like seeing a person standing on the ledge of a tall building and urging him to jump.”

Whatever you make of Goure’s argument, it’s symptomatic of a larger problem for the White House on Libya. Normally, Americans rally ’round the flag when service members are in danger overseas. But by pursuing a limited course against Qaddafi in order to keep a low profile at home, Obama also left himself wide open for political blowback, which has attended these operations at every turn. Congress, which can’t even act to fund the basic operations of the federal government, dragged Secretary Gates and Adm. Mullen through a marathon of hearings so members could show how peeved they were at not having been “consulted” before the strikes on Libya. (Even though their leaders were.) The White House and Pentagon were so eager to sell the story that NATO had taken over operations that reporters and bloggers apparently were baffled that American warplanes continued operating against Libya. (That was always part of the plan.)


So whether it’s “immoral” or not for the U.S. to try to slip into the background and fight as an equal partner, the White House is definitely discovering that when you try to fight a half-war with half-measures and compromise, Americans will only half rally ’round the flag — if at all.

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Ah yes what good is a war if Americans cant rally around the flag and bask in some temporary glory of pretending to convert some benighted race into Americans before it all falls apart and goes to hell.

Despite 911 war remains a sport just a form of entertainment. Personally I think it will take the searing white light of a nuclear device to wake people up but maybe not even then.

Your in idiot.

an.

The Obama White House can’t keep their people ‘on message,’ while at the same time they’re trying to make everyone happy and save face.

Does that about sum it up? Par for the course with the Democrats, always trying to shore up their flanks while the Republicans are sniping their front line.

We never should had gotten involved in the first place but as usual even though we are the might and money of NATO we are also its pawn, france wanted to intervien but wasnt about to do it without piggy backing on us so once again we got sucked into the fray we were trying to stay out of. You cant claim humanitarian when we are not going anywhere else where the same attrocities are happening. If we were going to get into a third war it should had been with the drug cartels in Mexico considering they are actualy attacking and killing Americans which should bee a greater concern for our govt.

I regret that I have but one “thumbs down” to give to obby

Any entry that starts off with such loaded language (immoral, starts a war, etc) should be immediately examined with suspicion. As should this poorly thought out example.
First, didn’t the Libyan people start this one? Dan Goure’s scholarship is suspect here. And haven’t we been working with NATO for decades, and don’t they have considerable airpower as well as expertise? Aren’t they trusted Allies in Afghanistan, etc?
Now we can sit back and criticize the effort but all of these are complex affairs. The fact that the heavily armed Gadhafi forces did not immediately crush the disorganized rebels tells me that something is happening right.
This is a time to give the rebels and NATO some time to sort things out, and it is time to ignore sidelilne quarterbacks like Dan Goure. I would like to know what military experience he has.

Barry and his liberal allies like oblat are all for use of US military when there is no national interest at stake.…

You’re.

don’t be surprised if country like france will start one retreat of afghanistan before 2014

Napalm the Lybian Army. We should have finished the Job we started when Regan was in office in 1982. We should have sent in three or four stikes of F/B-111’s from Lakenheath. We need to stop playing with these individuals and Bomb them back to the Stone Age where they belong.

Terms like immoral are inflammatory and detract from the issue. The conclusion is correct though, if we want to protect civilians and force Qaddafi to leave, we should have just stepped up and done what needed to happen. It wouldn’t have been unilateral but it also wouldn’t have had a UN blessing. He’s more interested in image than effectiveness. If we would’ve parked a carrier group or two off the coast to start, and several weeks before we actually did act, it might have sent a message that prevented the need for a campaign at all. If that hadn’t worked and if we would have just cut to the chase and started with a rolling series of round the clock strikes on command and control, to include these compounds where the ruling elite hide, this would’ve been over by now.

Instead we backed off, NATO has made statements like only the US has a real ability to strike troops and equipment on the move. NATO lacks the ability to do the hard precision strikes now that the Libyan military has adapted to the limited strikes by moving in close. We’ve created all kinds of political head scratching side issues like why the F22 wasn’t sent and all the distracting speculation on that issue. We’ve got the double talking non-sense of how the US isn’t conducting strikes, oh yah, except for the Growlers and Wild Weasels. The whole thing is a poorly planned, poorly managed, piece of doo doo. It may have been a political master stroke to get the international agreement, but that hasn’t translated into a successful effort.

“[T]hey were at not having been ‘consulted’ before the strikes on Libya. (Even though their leaders were.)”

This is not some idle concern. The Constitution explicitly says that the House must _authorize_ war. You can’t just say, “Well, I did talk to one or two of the House leadership and they thought it made sense,” and somehow believe that counts as the same thing. That is blatantly a violation of the Constitution.

Even the War Powers Act only grants the right to act in three circumstances: (A) war, (B) a statutory authorization (the favored route nowadays), and © in response to an attack, or imminent threat of an attack, to the US, it holdings, or its military. The War Powers Act also explicitly states that it cannot be construed to mean that authorization can be gained from any international body (eg, UN/NATO).

No one even in the administration has argued that any of those cases apply. The short version is, right or wrong to intervene, the way the intervention was done has been in blatant violation of both the Constitution and the War Powers Act. That is not just some hissy fit by Congress to point out.

If this goes unchallenged, it will mean that from now on any President can take us to war at anytime, anywhere, without requiring any authorization whatsoever from the people’s representatives — something directly at odds with over 200 years of our history and the written law of the land.

The morality of U.S. intervention ignores a greater issue; why are the Europeans pushing for a military action that they don’t have the capability to execute, and why are we appeasing them? If they wish to cut their forces and capabilities, then they should feel the sting of a reduced capability to intervene in world affairs.

The only thing I differ with you on is that this is really the Libyan people’s revolution, not ours. I like the plan that was fleshed out over on Pat Lang’s blog; turn the 10th SFG loose backed up with CAS, help the rebels get what they want, and leave. Obama, though, is desperately trying to avoid doing anything that smacks of the neocon interventions, i.e. no ‘military regime change,’ no ‘boots on the ground.’ He’s also got the Saudis mad at him, the Israelis prefer the devils they know… and that’s only part of the story. Obama’s mouth got him in trouble, he can’t finesse his way out, and he’s not willing to force it (yet).

why USA will allys in afghanistan or irak?
This is not the capability who was concerned, this is money and the fear of public opinions.
Like germany who have elections and don’t vote at UN council
Only france have one army in europe.They acquire rafale (300) when others country like GB will cut the RAF to 110 typhoons before 2020 (nothing more, no tornados or something else…).France have two problems now, that’s tactical aircraft (waiting A400M) and tanker.France deployed 25 fighters jet in others country like chad or afghanistan.Need know for each dollar who was used by france that’s 10$ dollar for USA.1 aircraft for france was ten for USA, 1000 soldiers was 10 000 for USA..

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