Senior officials detail bin Laden operation

Senior officials detail bin Laden operation

The body of terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden was cast into the waters of the North Arabian Sea early Monday from the deck of the aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson, senior defense officials announced, after it was prepared according to traditional Islamic practices and a brief service was read and translated into Arabic.

Handlers aboard the Carl Vinson – officials did not specify whether they were U.S. Navy sailors – began preparing bin Laden’s body at 1:10 a.m. Monday, and finished at 2 a.m.: It was washed and placed in a white sheet, which was then placed in a weighted bag. A military officer read prepared religious remarks, which were translated into Arabic by a native speaker, and then Bin Laden’s body was tipped into the ocean.

Bin Laden was buried at sea because Islamic practice dictates the dead be buried within 24 hours, and American officials could find no country that was willing to accept the body, a senior defense official said.


Senior defense and intelligence officials briefed reporters Monday at the Pentagon about bin Laden’s fate, the operation in which he was killed, and the years of work that led up to it. No single tipoff or source led to the operation Sunday in which U.S. special operators attacked bin Laden’s secret compound, the officials said, instead pieces of information came from terrorist detainees; satellite observation; and many other origins.

“This should send a signal to every member of Al Qaeda and every affiliate not only of U.S. resolve, but U.S. capability – to bring those who have killed Americans, or other innocents, of our ability to bring them to justice,” one senior defense official said.

American military and intelligence officials confirmed that they had not shared any information about bin Laden’s compound or their plans for an assault with any ally, including Pakistan. When the team of special operators that conducted Sunday’s operation had returned to their base, Washington began to notify Pakistani officials and other allies about what had happened.

The senior officials, eager to use the death of bin Laden to help repair America’s damaged relationship with Pakistan, said that Pakistanis were among the sources that had helped build the picture of bin Laden’s compound.

Four “military-age men,” including bin Laden, lived in the walled compound, the officials said, along with several women and children. Bin Laden and his family lived on the second and third floors of a main building, and the other people lived on the first floor and in another structure inside its triangular, 18-foot high walls. The special operations team was in the compound for about 40 minutes, the officials said, and they were engaged with occupants almost the entire time, either in firefights or as they explored and cleared its buildings and rooms.

Bin Laden was killed “toward the end” of the 40 minutes, a senior defense official said. Although the Pentagon officials would not describe his final moments or last words, they made it sound as though he was hiding with at least one woman on the second or third floor of his residence. Although the officials said men in the compound were using women “as shields,” they would not go into further detail.

The senior officials would not comment Monday about reports that said American special operators had built a mock compound beforehand where they practiced their assault. They would not confirm the special operators were U.S. Navy SEALs generally, or specifically whether they came from the elite Special Warfare Development Group. They also would not identify what kind of helicopter crashed during the operation, why it crashed, or identify any of the helicopters that were involved. Press speculation has had it that they could have included Black Hawks, CH-47 Chinooks or MH-6 Little Birds.

One detail officials did clarify was that the special operators who destroyed the crashed helicopter evidently did so themselves, with their own explosives: As they prepared to leave, the team moved surviving locals in the compound safely away from the crash site and then blew up their broken helo.

A senior intelligence official confirmed the special operators brought back  “a robust collection of materials that we need to sift through — we hope to find valuable intelligence that will lead us to other players in Al Qaeda.”

 

 

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Appreciate the summary of DoD releases. Nothing on the rumours of UK or Israeli involvement? News chatter of English accents overheard on local radio scanners citing ‘Blackbird’, Hummingbird’, ‘Sparrow’?

Is there any logic in the decision to dump the body at sea vs keeping it in custody and performing an autopsy??

Ah, sweet justice.

Keep it from becoming a political/religious tool. Without a grave or hope of recovering it we don’t have to deal with the political & religious BS surrounding death and burial.

Good Morning Folks,

From other sources I think I can fill in some things. It appears to be correct that bin Laden was using a female as a human shield, his sister (?), he was killed in a bedroom, four head shots, the female died along with bin Laden He was not take out by a member of the US military.

How good this information is I can’t say, it is governmental but not the US Government. This information has already been put up on other sites and this source is usually pretty reliable.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

no really ben laden is dead? everywhere you see that

Well, just to start a few new conspiracy theories I haven’t heard yet,
1. Did they really follow the couriers or is that a good cover story since both of the people in question were killed in the raid. If they got the info from Pakistan, they would want a good cover story and dead mean tell no lies. And lets face it, helos flying 100nm from Afghanistan without being spotted, hover near a compound for 40 minutes with numerous shots fired and no one investigates from the local authorities, and then fly back without being spotted again. It does sound a little bit far fetched.
2. Was Bin Laden really buried at sea? It wouldn’t be too hard to switch the body if you really wanted to, it’s not like it was a open casket, just weight the bag right. Not that I can think of any reason to do so, but hey, it makes a good theory. And for that matter, it wouldn’t be all that hard to add a few sides of bacon to the bag before they stitched it shut if you wanted to really annoy the Muslims.

Well–
I voted for Obama. I am a somewhat liberal Democrat. But I have to say — no body no crime. I don’t believe Obama asked many, if any, other countries to take the body. I don’t believe there is any proof yet that Bin Laden was even alive the past several years. I don’t think Obama had to ‘bury the body’ within 24 hours to keep from offending Muslims. Genetic testing takes days, so it looks like a lie to say genetic tests confirm it was Bin Laden.
If Bin Laden was alive where they said he was, both the Pakistanis and CIA had to know this all along. Possibly for as long as 10 years.
No other President has publicly ordered the killing of another human being, at least not that I am aware of. FDR wanted unconditional surrender — but he never said kill Hitler. Now, if Obama said he wanted Bin Laden arrested, but he was killed resisting arrest, no problem. And if I were sent to do the arrest, I would shoot very quickly.
I think our President has some explaining to do.
Our government lies on occasion. Pat Tillman for one.

Good Afternoon Folks,

Hi Matt. I’m pretty much in agreement with you. The WP is now confirming that there was a female in the room when bin Laden was killed and she also died. The circumstances as we know them suggest that bin Laden was not armed. If that being the case more then likely the military had him cornered in a bed room, then brought in the CIA guys to do their duty.

I don’t think taking bin Laden alive was ever going to be an option with the US. I can’t imagine any President wanting him to go on trial at the Huge

Burial at sea in very deep water was the most expeditious option and most likely with in the frame work of current Islamic politics the best.

Regarding Pakistan, they just lost their reason for being. It is quite obvious that bin Laden existed with in Pakistan with the full knowledge and consent of the Pakistani government. The US is making it 2012 budget and looking for cuts, aid to Pakistan should be high on every member of Congresses list. The Islamic revolution is coming Pakistan’s way. Let let China support the ungrateful Pakistani for a few decades.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Yeah, that makes perfect sense. The leader of the free world makes a claim that, if false, can easily be disproven by someone else producing a body, or, if he is still alive, OBL himself recording a video whilst holding today’s Karachi Times. What a brilliant deception! And so craftily constructed!

What makes you so certain our intelligence agencies would know where OBL was hiding out? The CIA didn’t even know the USSR was about to fall apart a month before it did. Maybe it was the amazing performance on 9/11, when the nearly 20 intelligence services sat on the billions of taxpayer dollars we send them and utterly failed to stop a single plane from being hijacked. And you claim they “had to know” his location for up to 10 years? I think you have some explaining to do, such as why reason has abandoned you in your hour of need.

I rarely agree with you Byron, but I agree with you here. If anybody ever needed proof that Pakistan isn’t an ally of ours, this is it. They shouldn’t be getting a single $ of US aid.

CONGRATULATION, from wiese man,GET ready for beter future !!!

Throwing the Pakistanis into the arms of the Chinese is hardly the way to win hearts and minds — or to stabilize South Asia. These folks have nukes — and if the US wants to see nuclear weapons used in war for the first time since Hiroshima and Nagasaki, all we gotta do here is disengage from that part of the world. Are the Pakistanis trustworthy ? Do we have a serious issue with these people ? Well, what are you willing to do about it ? We should be looking for ways to build bridges, not burn them down — and nobody, but nobody, is allowed to blackmail the United States of America.

I said — IF Obama was there, they (US and Pakistan).had to know. Right next to the capital, in a wealthy suburb. Not hidden in a remote cave. I say again — no body, no proof. You are the one lacking reasoning.

“I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority.” ~ G.W. Bush

Two terms of failure.

Funny though, the official story starts under Bush when they captured the various subordinates, illegally detained them without charges (according to Obama), interrogated them, and started to build the case for where he could be. Without Bush’s policies that candidate Obama complained about while campaigning and then largely adopted, it wouldn’t have happened.

First, how do we know Pakistan didn’t give us the info and we have a cover story to make life easier for them? Kind of like, if the Pakistanis don’t like our drones, why haven’t they shot any down? And we all know no one ever plants false information.

Second„ Pakistan has never been an “ally”. We have national interests that align peridically. We give aid to try to ensure that our interests and their interests align better. Do we still have interests or want certain behavior?

Third, there is still the whole Taliban issue with Pakistan so like it or not, we need to deal with Pakistan.

Finally, just because various people in Pakistan may know something doesn’t mean the government knows anything. If a wanted criminal is found near West Point, does that mean the Army knew he was there. How many times were noted Nazis found living peacefully in some city?

bin Laden now his own VIP Box seat in Hell next to Hitler, Stalin and numerous others. Burn HOT you Bastard.

The biggest question the American administration is unwilling to venture is this: What would Obama do if UBM was hiding INSIDE one of the PK military facility?

Got to love the wingnuts claim that Bush’s decade of failures allowed Obama’s success. But the fact is that every week from now until Obama’s reelection we are going to hear how the republicans paid for Bin Laden to live in a Pakistani villa and it took a Democrat to put an end to it.

Perhaps the wingnuts should thank the 911 terrorists first — after all without them we would never have a bin Laden to catch.

There is simply no way Pakistan’s government didn’t know Bin Laden was there. Hell, it is possible somebody built that compound just for him.

We give them money and who knows what happens to it, they shelter the world’s most wanted terrorist and tell us to stop operating in their country to hunt Al Qaeda. We have been working around Pakistan rather than with Pakistan since day one. There is no reason for us to fund them.

Awesome. It’s the BS hookup from the legendary unnamed sources. Give me a break.

This would not be an issue for the administration but for the field operators. The president and congress are protected by plausible denial in that they have absolutely no direct involvement or information about covert field operations. They give an inderect approval order such as find and capture/kill bin laden and that is it, everything from then on is at the field level. This is why it urks me not that he announced that bin laden was killed during his time in office, that would had been OK, but claiming that he was solely in charge of every move which is BS and takes away from our operators and what they do on a daily basis to protect this country and the government from backlash, that was just wrong of him. So in answer to your question if he had been on a military base there is a very good chance he still would had been killed but in a different way possibly looking like a terrorist attack. This was not the first bin laden take out — look alikes have also been hit which is why DNA was required to confirm the kill and not just facial recognition.

Although they whine publically about the US (which country doesn’t), the simple fact is that they don’t do anything about our drone attacks when they easily could. Doesn’t that tell you anything?
How do we know the whole background info provided isn’t just an elaborate cover story to give the Pakistani government plausible deniability? I mean, lets face it, if you want to divert attention from the government, what better fall guys than the two couriers who are already dead. If Wikileaks proves anything it is that what is said publically is rarely if ever the whole story.
And if the government of Pakistan was sheltering OBL, why wasn’t anyone around? Why no security guards/jailers? Why wasn’t there a reaction to helicopters hovering over your known safehouse for 40 minutes?

For that matter, according to witnesses there was significant firing at the compound, yet only a handful of people were killed. And conveniently, two of those were the people you said lead you to OBL? That is just sooo convenient, don’t you think?
Even if you wanted to kill OBL, wouldn’t it have made more sense to at least try to capture the two couriers as they would have valuable information on who and where all the top associates were?

What kind of helicopter was destroyed? Check out the pictures. They don’t look like any kind of Black Hawk components. The Stabilator is completely different and more.… Very bizarre. Not any conspiracy notions, just interesting.

Check the photos here on the UK’s Daily Mail story http://​www​.dailymail​.co​.uk/​n​e​w​s​/​a​r​t​i​c​l​e​-​1​3​8​2​8​5​9/O

•The tail plane has a “flat coolie hat” cover over the centre area
•The stabilizer is not flat – it rises each side of the tail approx 15 degrees
•The stabilizer is swept
•The metal surfaces have an infra-red suppression finish similar to some V-22s

Agreed! I think the collection of staff members in the Situation Room purportedly watching the whole thing in real time were actually watching The Return of the Jedi!

Right on! It has to really chap their ass that they can’t worship their “fearless” leader’s grave site!!

You just go on believing that — that is exactly what we want our enemies to think. No need revealing any special techniques, is there?

You don’t want a ‘shrine’ where the zealots can come and stir up their fervor. An autopsy would be considered ‘desecration’ by some…and no point in it. He’s dead. Check one more terrorist off…

Matt — Get a life.… But before you go.…. which Island is it that Bin Laden, Marylin Monroe, Jim Morrison, and Elvis live on?

P.S. You are watching too much T.V.

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