F-35Bs hit vertical-landing milestone

F-35Bs hit vertical-landing milestone

The Marine Corps’ F-35B Lightning II test jets have completed all the vertical landings they needed to satisfy officials about going ahead with testing aboard a ship later this year, the Navy announced Wednesday. The fighters have done 80 percent of the short takeoffs they need. (We’re waiting on the exact numbers of landings and takeoffs.) Naval Air Systems Command said the body of tests that its F-35Bs have passed shows that they’ll perform as advertised at sea and then eventually when they join the operational fleet.

“Individually, these are great milestones for the aircraft and their crews, but when you put them all together with the experience we have on [test aircraft] BF-1 and BF-2, we’re proving that STOVL flight in the F-35B is really maturing,” Lockheed test pilot David “Doc” Nelson said in a NavAir announcement.

Continued NavAir:


Currently there are four F-35B test aircraft at NAS Patuxent River, and all four have now flown in STOVL mode with airborne conversions between STOVL and conventional take-off and landing (CTOL), slow take offs, slow landings, and vertical landings, a significant sign of maturity as only test aircraft BF-1 is primarily tasked for STOVL flight envelope expansion.

The Bs are set to begin flying aboard the amphibious assault ship Wasp later this year, and everyone in the Corporation wants that process, from the very first flight, to go as smoothly as possible. The stakes don’t get any bigger: The F-35B is on “probation” after problems with its development, and it — along with its A– and C-model siblings — is a big potential target for anti-spending factions in Washington. If the B has problems with testing at sea, it could become that much more difficult for the Pentagon to defend. And if the B goes away, with it goes the Marines’ ability to fly fast jets off big-deck gators.

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Continuing to purchase the JSF at $165,000,000.00 + and rising each, times 2600… Humm, there is no reason to purchase a manned Aircraft when we have JASSM-ER, CALCM’s, Predator, etc… etc… We could build thousands of long-range standoff missiles that can Kill IADS of any Country. Stealth is dead. F-22 is dead. Spending a 10+Trillion over the life cycle of the system is Crazy!!! Air Force Secretary Michael Donnelly and Admiral Mullins (Stealth Ships + a 1000 after burning Ships/Targets and hired the President of Northrop Grumman Ship Building) Navy is outrageous. Love Bombing those Grass Huts and Camel Ranches.

you know using !!!! doesnt make your argument any more convincing. Anyone who claims “stealth is dead” is basically an idiot.

The purchase cost of the F-35 is not $165 million & continues to go DOWN with each & every LRIP.

JASSM-ER, CALCM’s, Predator can only SUPPLIMENT manned aircraft.

Stealth is the future.

Stealth is not dead, that is so simple minded. LO is part of aircraft design and is here to stay. I don’t think technical issues with the F35 are the biggest issue with the airplane. I think its specs are its biggest drawback even if the thing ends up working. I think success in programs like the X-45 and X-47 are going to cause the biggest issues along with the money squeeze we are going through. If those 2 UCAVs develop into a system that works, then essentially they are goign to be able to do the Day SEADs stuff better than F-35s and that’s really going to bring into question the need for the F-35 purchase.

Simply not borne out by the facts. The trend for LRIP5 is up not down.

Late and incomplete. Just another partial failure spun by the JSF PR as a great success.

SHHAADDAAAPP!

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Are you BS Byron too?

I see the trolls have already started this morning…

A comment on something that actual pertains to the story and not some idiotic rant… I’m curious about the condition the ship’s deck will be in after the landing and takeoff. I’ve talked to a couple GE engineers who said there was some concern about the rear nozzle exhaust being too hot for the deck plating. I can’t imagine the Pratt engine is that much softer.

At first I figured you were a “I still live in my mom’s basement but am an expert on military hardware” troll… but lately I get the feeling you’re a “I wear a foil hat so the government can’t read my mind with satelites” type.

Either way literally nothing you said makes any sense.

Last I’ve heard, they’re still trying to sort that bit out. There won’t be much of a deck left when you have V-22s and F-35s operating in an high tempo environment…

Part of the instrumented testing at Pax River is to determine the actual heat distribution during landing as opposed to the worst case guesses everyone has pointed to so far. If the V-22 heat concerns are any indication, its probably a vastly overblown concern that can be mitigated by changing procedures. Time will tell, perhaps they will need a more heat resistant deck coating. NAVAIR recently released a request for proposal for improved deck coating. It will be interesting to see what comes of the testing, to date it appears the concerns for the effects on land have not panned ou as fearedt.

I’ve actually worked on both of these programs and I know first hand how hot both of these a/c can get. We’ve burned grass in 50ft hover, destroyed concrete turning on the flightline with V-22s and warped decks and peeled paint on the boats. 35s shouldn’t be too much of a problem as long as they aren’t hovering over the deck for too long I’d imagine

I also look forward to seeing what type of fix they have for this.

All you geniuses and Integrators/Marketers, serving up your crap to the DOD. Google the S-400, read utilize half of you engineering brain, analyze and assess the information. Lockheed Martin and the DOD is leading down the path of destruction for their shareholders. Ask yourself in your, if stealth is not dead, why did we stop building the F-22, F-117, and numerous other platforms? Why was the F-117 shot down in 1999 and sent to the Bone yard at Davis-Monthan AFB in early 2008.

*sigh*

The Russians would tell you a single S-400 can shoot down the entire USAF if it caused you to buy their SAM. They have a habit of overstating the capabilites of some of their systems.

Production of the F-22A was cut due to a variety of (poorly thought out) reasons. Mainly due to this belief that the F-35A could do its job for cheaper. B-2A production was drastically during the ‘90s due to post Cold War budget cuts.

The F-117A was retired in 2008, after some 25 years of service. The F-22A could do a better job of hauling JDAMs anyway.

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Ah yes… because the Russion propaganda about its weaponry is always 100% accurate and honest test data. And hell, with a source like the INTERNET how can you argue? We may as well surrender now.

Oh wait… none of that is true, just like all your posts.

Remember what happened when American tech. took a back seat to isolationism. Anyone who thinks we should deny ourselves only the best our country can afford to defend US, that person is either at worst a traitor, or at best very foolish.

How much worse can it be than a Harrier?

You might want to proofread your posts before hitting “enter”. It would make it easier to read.

Woulda coulda shoulda.
America can do better than Bill’s culture of greed and failure.

No it isn’t. I love how ignorant fools like you continue to ignor the facts & make up your own. And for those HONEST enough to find out for themselves, play close attention to the CONTRACT difference between LRIP5 & LRIP1-4…

We stoped building F-22s because John Young had a personal grudge against the program & Gates is a fool. We stopped building F-117s (note that the last was delivered in 1990) because we had built the number contracted to fill the requirement & they were retired because they were considered too expensive to maintain. What other “numerous other platforms” are you referring too? Do some research into the downed F-117, hear is a hint it was NOT the aircraft’s stealth which failed…why is it in the THOUSANDS of sorties, only ONE F-117 has been shot down? And why is it most all current & planned combat aircraft (even warships) have stealth as a significant design characteristic?

Gates had a beef with the two top AIRFORCE GENERALS, HE FIRED THEM AND TOLD THEM HE WOULD RUIN THE f-22 PROGRAM, WHICH HE HAS.

The F135 is the hottest most powerful fighter engine ever designed. The exhaust temps are at 1700+F and travel faster then Mach 1. At this point there is absolutely no comparison to the Harrier, and none of the services have a material at this point that can withstand temps that the F-35B creates during STOVL landings.

Rebuilding ship decks and STOVL landing pads continuously is the only option at this point.

Even with perfect maintenance Lockmart has been unable to fly these aircraft without literally having to rebuild portions of them after every flight. Parts in the lift system are wearing out much faster then expected and the weight of all the JSF variants limit both payload and range.

How the USMC can maintain and properly support a $100 million dollar strike fighter in battle field conditions near the front has yet to be adequately explained. Throw in the costs of rebuilding flight line STOVL landing zones and ship decks and suddenly the F-35B starts looking like not such a great idea.

The entire JSF Program is horribly over budget and has been like this from day one. The prices of LRIP 1–4 F-35’s with engines is close to three times the originally projected cost for the aircraft. The total price of this program is on track to reach the GAO predicted price of $ 1 trillion dollars, making the F-35 the most expensive fighter in history.

We are a long way from the Lockmart price of 40–60 million each, and HONESTLY you don’t have a clue…

These are some very serious problems and it would be nice if future assessments would include some kind of potential collateral cost.

It seems like we are making ourselves stupid to make the F-35 seem like a good deal.

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