After the bin Laden era, is America ‘weaker?’

After the bin Laden era, is America ‘weaker?’

The years bookended by the Sept. 11 terror attacks and this week’s death of Osama bin Laden are already beginning to harden, like a bruise, into a distinct historical era in American history. But unlike the Gilded Age of the late 19th century, or those kooky go-go 1960s, America is exiting the bin Laden years in worse shape than it entered, argues big-dog defense analyst Loren Thompson. Americans and their policymakers focused so closely on the immediate goals of war and security that they haven’t noticed just how different — how much “weaker” — America is today, Thompson writes:

According to the International Monetary Fund, the U.S. share of global output shrunk from 24.4 percent in 2009 to 23.3 percent in 2010. If the federal government stopped borrowing money tomorrow, our economy would quickly contract to 20 percent of world production, since federal borrowing currently represents over a tenth of GDP. In other words, borrowing is the main reason that America’s share of global output has not fallen to the lowest level in living memory. So the National Intelligence Council was right when it told President-elect Obama in 2008 that, “In terms of size, speed, and directional flow, the global shift in relative wealth and economic power now under way — roughly from West to East — is without precedent in modern history.”

So with bin Laden’s death, maybe it’ll be possible for policymakers to realize just what has been happening under their noses, Thompson writes, although it won’t be easy. Americans don’t do well dealing with reality.


… [W]e can’t blame Osama bin Laden for America’s decline after 9–11, since our wounds are largely self-inflicted. But we can speculate that the constant distraction of overseas wars aimed at defeating terrorism had something to do with why policymakers neglected the nation’s economic health until it became a crisis reflected in record federal budget deficits. And we can reasonably assume that if America’s economic decline continues, many historians will see 9–11 as the symbolic turning point in America’s fortunes — the day on which the golden age of American affluence and influence began to ebb away. The question is what Washington should do about it now that the best known author of our recent difficulties is dead.

For me, the answer is simple. The United States needs to relinquish its pretentious crusade to save the world and set about saving itself. Having ceased to be a model for other countries’ development, America must rediscover the basic principles that enabled it to rise to economic greatness after the Civil War. That means first of all paying our bills rather than deferring pain and enforcing our trade rights against mercantilist nations that seek to compete unfairly. In other words, we need to write the requirement for a balanced budget into the Constitution, and we need to start imposing tangible sanctions on nations like China who have repeatedly flouted their obligations under trade treaties. As far as Afghanistan and all the other basket cases we have tried to bail out in recent years are concerned, it’s time for us to move on. We need all the resources at our disposal to fix and defend America, and no longer have the luxury of pursuing missionary work in the world’s most backward places.

What do you think? Does bin Laden’s death mark a new turning point, a signal that the U.S. needs to get itself together after all the blood and treasure it expended hunting for him? Can America continue to be a hyperpower into the rest of the 21st century?

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The “War on Terror” just happened to coincide with the rise of east asia. US will share it’s power in the future with a rising China, a very slowly organizing Europe and probably a rising Russia (will take a lot longer). Our currency will no longer be the standard traded on. We’ll have to compete, not just win because other nations have such horrible leaders/policies/organization.

One by one the dictator nations are being reformed as democracies in the middle east and south america with and without help from US. The US is slowly growing more mature and realizing you can lead a nation to democracy but it takes the population to make it work.

America can remain a superpower how long he not cut his military Budget in Barney Frank our Ron Paul style. America has in the moment a quantitative but no longer really technological advanced against all is real big enemy’s like Russia our China and a massive technological and quantitative superiority against his entire smaller enemy’s like Iran our Nord Korea. But America most recapitalized his force to maintain this superiority against his peer concurrent China and the Russians. To do this America most maintain a basis DOD Budget beyond 500 Billion and he most refocused is priority to fight real wars on Air and See against peer enemy’s like China our Russia.

The USA need a bigger Navy with Big ticket Ships like CVNs, SSN, SSGN and DDGs and an Air force who remain real superior against all is peer enemies an d the single possibility to do this the USAF most buy about more them 1000 5. Gen Fighters like the F35 our more them 400 additional F22. This is possible and not really hard to do but to do this the USA most refocused his priority from asymmetric to symmetric wars. With other words the US Military most avoid and stop Wars like Afghanistan our Iraq and with this Wars the acquisition of Weapons for Asymmetric wars (for example things like the MARP or the LCS) and the military help for unimportant and not friendly Countries like Afghanistan our Pakistan.

And the American Military must focused more on a quantitative strong Military, the USAF not need 2000 5 Gen fighters but the need more them 2000 fighters. The US haven must not buy only High End Weapons like the B2, F22 or the DDG1000 or to spend Billions for Programs like the FCS but he most maintain a clear bigger Military force them all his enemy’s. For example I think they USAF should to buy cheaper F16 and F15SE parallel to the F35 Program to replace his more than 25 Years old fighter Fleet . A high Low Mix of 800 F35, 187 F22 and other 1000 modern new Legacy Fighters and many more CAS Jets and drones is the better option them a small fleet of only High End Platforms. And this is also for the US Navy.

I don’t know if it marks a turning point. The temptation to use American military power at will for politicians is still there. Americans also supported the initiation of a third war by this President fairly easily as well.

The American lifestyle, entitlements, and defense is all reliant on borrowing. Americans seem unable to embrace across the board tax increases or cuts. Therefore, I would say the party will end when the United States’ credit rating is eventually downgraded.

Then and only then will you see a true contraction in American military influence around the world.

Good Evening Folks,

What kind of garbage is this. Lets see in a year when the world financial took a dive the economic output of the United States shrank .06%, gee where did it all go?

Lets see the US GPD for 2010 was nearly $16 trillion without and adjusters such as PPP. Number two China with aPP factor was $6.6 trillion, remove the PPP adjustment the raw number that would be the same as the US’s would be about $4.8 trillion, or only 30% of, or 70% less then the US economy.

Quite simply there is no American economic decline. The weekly T Bond auction of last week, 10 years Bonds sold at zero percent interest when inflation of 2.5% was deducted. Even the people of this web site who have a lacking in any knowledge regarding economics can figure out if you are going to borrow money the time to do it s when interest is at it lowest zero percent is pretty da** low.

When President Obama took office the National Debt was about $9 trillion, he has reduced that amount to the current real debt of about $6.7 trillion, mostly by taking bank unused credits that were in the TARP packages off the table. The right wingers have been promoting a debt number of about $8 trillion but that included the money in GM/Chrysler and the toxic mortgage assets which is not debt but equity. At some point the Government plans to sell off its equity in the automobile industry and to sell the toxic assets of Fanny and Freddy.

The above statement make as much sense as saying that a family that has a gross income of $150,000.00 (a low end WSJ middle class family) and a mortgage of $250,000.00 is bankrupt.

To the editor don’t play with economics, you don’t have a clue. To the butternuts who want source information I will send you “Statistical Abstract of the United States 2011″ 130th. edition it cost about $50.00 for US Gov. Printing Office. For foreign information “The CIA World Factbook 2011″ is my source, USGPO cost about $15.00.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

We can quibble about numbers and timing, but I think Thompson pretty much nailed it.

It’s long past time to reduce the regulatory and tax burden on our businesses so that we can once again produce the goods we and others need. And yes, I know that we still do a lot of manufacturing — but it would be far more if our government didn’t do so much to discourage that activity.

And for those who want to argue for the corporate income tax? It is an incredibly regressive tax in that it is passed through to the consumer (who is generally not wealthy).

Oh, and Byron. We need to start looking at our unfunded liabilities. The way our government cooks the books to try to look slightly fiscally responsible would literally get you thrown in jail if you did it with your average publicly traded corporation.

America’s financial woes are about a lack of political consensus, not the ability to meet those issues and overcome them. $14 trillion in debt is a huge number, but with a GDP of $16 trillion + annually it isn’t as though it is a insurmountable obstacle to overcome. Our two party system is just so partisan and polarized at the moment it’s nigh on impossible to reach a compromise on addressing the issue. The two parties continue to grapple and engage in politics to attempt to gain advantage over the other for the sake of the party and at the expense of the nation. America easily has the ability to address the financial situation, it’s a question of whether our political leadership is patriotic and smart enough to make that happen.

For those of us old enough to remember, the same doom and gloom scenario was postulated in the ‘80s, with the rise of Japan. Many pundits (as well as economists) foretold the downfall of America as a great power, soon to be subservient to the growing economic might of Japan.

Instead, America reached new levels of prosperity, and with the fall of the Soviet Union, became the sole Superpower, and with it the ability to project her influence across the world to a level not seen since antiquity(e.g. Alexander, the Roman Empire, etc.).

Yes, China is emerging as a serious economic and military competitor. However, I can’t help but see parallels to the same “the sky is falling” mentality of the 80s.

Our technological base is unmatched, and the sophistication and power of our military has, if anything, has progressively widened a gap between the Eastern powers (Russia, China). The training and combat experience of our armed forces is also unmatched (4 wars in the past two decade helps).

If we can get our debt under control, and stabilize our trade relationships, while encouraging investment in domestic industry and infrastructure…I see America remaining a singular Superpower for many more years to come.

let’s hope your right

It would be nice if the people who talked about this subject would realize that American power is not a boolean value. In both relative and absolute power, in both the potential and actual use of power, America does quite well for itself, thank you very much. I agree that deficit spending is a problem — I’m an old deficit hawk from way back and did not vote for Ronald Reagan in 1984 for that reason. The problem with most budget proposals is that the cure is worse than the disease, and the simple fact is that nobody in this country is overtaxed. A modest increase in tax revenues would not be unreasonable, and would go a long way to fixing what appears to be an intractable problem. That is a lot better solution than being thrown out on the street without a job or losing your estate in old age when you can’t pay the medical bills anymore. The problem with the administration’s approach is that they don’t seem to realize that everyone got a break from the Bush tax cuts and everyone needs to give some of that back — so they keep harping on this “soak the rich” nonsense, which is counterproductive and just not very smart. A lot of good people and programs are under the gun on account of this nonsense.

remember def budget before 9/11, in this time USA don’t was one small power because they don’t have 700bn$ for his army.
The world change, all great empire have see one end, USA have take the place of europe after the WW2, year after year, new country going to emerge and reduce the weight of USA.

I hope you are right but China is not Japan. China is more comperabel with the UDSSR but ´without weakening of the USSR. Japan is a schmall country with a pazifist consttution and under strong US Influence but Red China is 10 times bigger and have a 14 time bigger population them Japan and red China is a military dictatorship with clear imperial ambitions.

Japan never has the potenziell to beet the United States, waht the see in the Eighties was a unfounded panic but red China is different. China’s Economy grows five times faster than the US Economy and his Military grows with same advice. The Chinese beat the US and the West with is oven weapons. The Soviet Union was never in able to be in competition with the US Economy our with the US technologies but this lying on the communist system what doesn’t works. China is no longer communist state he he’s become a hyper capitalism dictatorship it is a totally different situation.

The Us Economy is now bigger but the USA is more and more based on Virtual Numbers of the finance sector. The Us Economy is more and more de-industrialized and china more and more industrialized. An example of the different industrial capacity: America has One Shipyard how can build big Aircraft carriers, China has in the moment Five Shipyards who are big enough.

I fear that this time the predictions can bee get reality.

the article is right. we’re weaker. we got weaker and five of the counties surrounding Washington DC are the wealthiest in the country directly attributable to 9–11 business. And while much of the technology sold by the people who live in these estates and horse farms is useful, the sellers were never taxed what they should have been so government paid three times — they bought expensive software and hardware, they over-paid for labor from defense contractors (not on the hourly rate) but by by picking the wrong solutions that inevitably come with a forever O&M tail from SETA, and IT Contractors, then they bought the stuff on borrowed funds, and then didn’t charge enough taxes on the income.

But this are more virtual Numbers, but what is behind this Numbers? This is the question, a biggest part of the US Economy are based on the private consumption and on the Service Companies but Chinas Economy is based on the productions of industrial products and other real things. And Chinas Buy Power is clear bigger than the buy power of the US; the International Monetary Fund for example has predicted what china can be overtaking the US economy in real buy power by 2016.

China
GDP (purchasing power parity): $9.872 trillion (2010 est.)
GDP (official exchange rate): $5.745 trillion (2010 est.)
GDP — real growth rate: 10.3% (2010 est.)

USA
GDP (purchasing power parity): $14.72 trillion (2010 est.)
GDP (official exchange rate): $14.62 trillion (2010 est.)
GDP — real growth rate: 2.7% (2010 est.)

source — https://​www​.cia​.gov/​l​i​b​r​a​r​y​/​p​u​b​l​i​c​a​t​i​o​n​s​/​t​h​e​-​w​orl…

Japan is relatively small, in order to catch up to USA in GDP the average Japanese has to be 2,5 times richer than the average American, and that is impossible.
China is big, in order to catch up to USA in GDP the average Chinese has to be only 4 times poorer than the average American, and that is the level of Brazil, Chile or Lithuania.

Check out some of the articles that have come out in the last couple weeks. China is building a massive, heavy economy over a cracking foundation. China has many of the same danger signs that the U.S.S.R. did before they started collapsing. Building cities with no planned occupancy? Check. Industrial output far in excess of demand? Check. Financial problems that their institutions can’t handle? Check.

China’s 2 billion + population is not a plus, particularly when they engaged in eugenics essentially with their one child policy. They have a demographics tsunami approaching that will make our baby boomer/social security issue look like a late bus ride. They also have essentially zero oil, whereas the US could meet all its own oil needs for over 100 years with a simple policy decision.

Those are alot of big ifs.

Byron do you EVER get tired of being wrong and having to be CONTANTLY corrected?

Federal budget deficit in 2008 was 455 billion dollars (that’s DEFICIT, not total debt.). The defcit as of 2010 was 1.3 TRILLION dollars and there has been NO reduction in the overall debt.

I refuse to believe you got your numbers out of your claimed credible source and were so far off the mark.

Nice try though… given your history of just making crap up compared to the Ewing’s I think most of us will defer to him.

Ron Paul anyone?

http://​www​.federalreserve​.gov/​R​e​l​e​a​s​e​s​/​Z​1​/​C​u​r​r​ent…

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GDP for 2009 — 14119 B$
GNP for 2009 — 14265.3 B$

And the solution was the bubble economies which are coming to an end.

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