Quiet progress for U.S.-China mil-to-mil ties

Quiet progress for U.S.-China mil-to-mil ties

With all this talk about wrath-of-God carrier-killing missiles and unstoppable invisible super-mega fighter jets of death, you may have missed that the U.S. and China are in a series of high-level talks this week in Washington. They haven’t made many headlines, but American diplomatic officials say they’ve been making progress with their Chinese counterparts, including discussions about mending the military-to-military ties that Secretary Gates has said are one of his top priorities.

Two senior State Department officials said Monday that both the Americans and the Chinese in the regularly scheduled Strategic & Economic Dialogue have been receptive to more cooperation and better transparency between the two nations’ militaries. If everyone can walk away from this week’s meetings with a good feeling, it could set the table for a good visit by Gen. Chen Bingde, chief of staff of the People’s Liberation Army, who is scheduled to visit Washington soon.

From the State Department transcript:


Senior administration official: [B]y having senior civilians and military leaders in this year’s S&ED, we hope it will contribute over the long term to building strategic trust between both of our countries and our governments writ large, but also between our two militaries. And I think the general idea is to realize that many of these most sensitive security issues are crosscutting in nature and important to both the civilian and military parts of our government, and by tackling some of those sensitive issues together, we hope we can break down misunderstandings and misperceptions that could potentially lead to some sort of miscalculation. I think our hope would be that this could become a regular feature of our discussions. We’ll have – although we’ve been having military and civilian leaders at the table, both last night and today, we’ll have a more formal session tomorrow where they will get in – more directly into some of these issues. So it would be a little bit hard for me to, I guess, prejudge exactly how that will go and how this will go forward.

But I would just add one other point. I think it’s pretty clear, for those of us in the U.S. Government and on the Chinese side as well, this is not a mechanism that’s designed to replace the already very fulsome military-to-military exchanges and existing channels that are well established between the United States and Chinese militaries. What we see is an – this is an additional innovation that we hope will contribute to our relations.

So does that mean the diplomatic and military officials talked explicitly about the carrier-killer missile, or the J-20, or the potential for future U.S. arms sales to Taiwan, or whether China would yank its reins on North Korea? These officials wouldn’t go into those kinds of details. But they did say that China and the U.S. have the same overarching goal, dubbed “strategic trust” — both countries would like to know they can at least deal frankly with each other.

Senior administration official: I think it’s fair to say that officials on both sides, I think, largely view the general concept of strategic trust in the same way. While it might be possible – of course, given that we are two sovereign nations, we might define it slightly differently – I’ve been quite struck in the preparations for the S&ED and also in the discussions of the last day and a half, how similarly we’ve spoken of the concept. We’ve all talked about the fact that, in fact, we need to enhance strategic trust between our two countries. We’ve talked about the fact that we recognize that it’s misunderstandings and misperceptions that many times most undermine that strategic trust. So I’ve actually, I think, been somewhat heartened over the last day and a half that, at least regarding the term itself, I think we approach it in similar ways.

The next big question is: Can all this positive energy last?

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Too much fear mongering over this stupid J-20 in China. Look China and the USA are tied economically and so if they don’t want to destroy each other economy they will remain in at least somewhat good terms politically and militarily. The fact is despite the recent weapons programs it will take 10+ years to start fielding any large numbers of J-20s or Carrier filler missiles. So by then those techs will be obsolete. I say quit the oh worry campaign DOD buzz.

@Lance China becomes more and more independence from the USA and the Chinese Politic is against the US Interests. For red China is the USA the enemy and for the USA is China the biggest treatment for their interests in the Pacific and in the Middle East. Make no mistake red China will never be a friend the interests of China and the USA are to different.

I cannot really understand what this military ties means. Fact is china prepares their Military for a War against the USA and the US do the same with his military.

Americans have a bad habit of lying — it’s a well known cultural characteristic: the Chinese will keep quiet and the Americans will tell porkies.

As the world transitions from American to Chinese influence, the more the Chinese get used to our peculiar characteristics the better for a peaceful transition.

On a recent trip to Asia it was noticable how strong the Chinese influence already is and how much America is seen as yesterdays man. Chinese investment is everywhere.

Can it last? No.

The Chinese want to hold everything contingent on the fact that we should do as they say.

Give an example

Military sales to Taiwan.

“America is seen as yesterdays man”. Yeah, just like the with Soviet Union in the 50’s-60’s, Japan in the late 70’s-80s, and Europe in the 90s-00s. China’s economic influence will peak, and their reliance on fantastical monetary schemes (artificial undervalue of Yuan) will eventually cause their bubble to burst.

In my opinion, the USA posture is to maintain the status quo. To keep Taiwan democratic and self-autonomous and our allies safe from any aggression. If China prepares for war it is to push eastward. To expand into the Pacific at the expense of the current status quo. China would then be the aggressor in the same way Imperial Japan and Germany were in WWII. “Peace Through Strength” as President Ronald Reagan advocated.

Is Oblat still bitter about the whole Soviet Union thing or something?

Why waste time with being friendly with the Chicomms — They are a dictatorship. WE are expected to give information while we get nothing in return.

Once They have free and fair elections like Taiwan then fine. Till then treat them like the enemy they are.

Figure Oblat is an anti-American Maoist supporter just like his man child president.

Dictatorship envy apparently.

Threatening Taiwan;

Killing opposition leaders;

Killing Christians;

one child policy;

Stealing IP

Cyber WAr;

Leave it to obama supporter Oblat to defend the ChiComm Dictatorship.

Is it really necessary to put Obama supporter in front? By doing so, you’re implying that all Obama supporters support communist dictatorship.

China is no friend to the US. Our networks get hacked almost daily. Classified information gets stolen, Information on the F-35 gets stolen. A vast majority of these originate in China. Not to mention that they pay Americans to spy on our own country. China has the fastest growing rate of espionage and most of it is directed at the US.

Threatening Taiwan; — Maybe a little
Killing opposition leaders; — I would say the only opposition leaders are within the party. The getting together of Democrats and Reps. to fix something is a Commie party.
Killing Christians; — The Christians have it easier than the average citizen
one child policy; –Better than a nation collecting US foreign aid to feed their growing pop
Stealing IP –huh??? the kid in the street can steal an IP
Cyber WAr; –It is part of the US program and who’s not gettin with the program is a fool?

After Gates visit to China, there seems to be more openness. The Chinese military held their first press conference ever. The only thing I can see that would set back mil ties is if the US starts arming religious leaders in and around the country again as well as arm a few of the dozens of surrounding nations with some historical dispute.

Please, without the US buying all of China’s cheap POS lead poisoned, child labored crap, their economy would be in crisis. China is 100% dependent on exports right now, with the US being the biggest buyer.

It would ofcourse hurt the US a tiny bit in the short term, but we can easily overcome that, plus all the services and goods us Americans “must” have wont change, it’ll just come from a different place. (Say America for once?).

Create jobs, have good SAFE quality products, greatly improve our economy. You just can’t beat it.

Obviously you don’t get out much — probably have never left the US. It’s ok it works out better for everyone else that you remain isolated.

A nice list none of which are “we should do as they say. “
In fact it’s a list of the things we say THEY should and shouldn’t do.

And that is very telling isn’t it.

If you travel as much as I do and meet as many Americans across all walks of life as I do you start to realize just how scared Americans are of China. The reason isn’t the Chinese military, Americans feel powerless because they just can’t compete economically. Across the continent you hear the same prayer — please god make the Chinese fail somehow. They alternate this with complaints on how unfair it is that the Chinese invest more in their industries in their education and work harder.

It will take a couple generations yet before America gets out of it’s self-absorbed funk and relaise that if you don’t play the game you lose. Right now the average American child wants to be a Celebrity ie grow up to be rich, lazy and stupid. It’s the American dream.

Threatening Taiwan a little? 1900 missiles and a promise that if the island votes to be free and independent they will invade is a little threatening?

Were you around in 1989? It really wasn’t that long ago.

One child will bite them in their rear ends and make the baby boomer issue we have look like an unbalanced check book in comparison.

You’ve got #3 on your dream list nailed down air tight, congratulations.

Do you speak Mandarin ?

Yes, some. Thanks for asking.

I think we can see with the above comments that Americans are very far away from understanding how they are going to compete with the Chinese. Most of it is denial that we even have to compete.
Similarly the few ‘solutions’ are all about how the Chinese are going to have to fail to make it fair for us.
Unfortunately this sense of entitlement doesn’t translate into increased productivity, quite the opposite.

The best estimates are two or three generations of decline before Americans get it.

I see people like you all the time in the expat getto. Try to get out.

Oblatski, why do you never respond to rebuttals to your arguments. You are so weak because of it. You say that Americans are blind and only believe what we want, but you never address a response to your inflammatory remarks. I have seen you proven wrong so many times here, yet you continue. Do you not feel stupid when someone responds with facts that prove imaginative remarks wrong? You don’t even acknowledge it, just ignore it and rant. A good debate is a good thing, but the fact is you don’t know how to. You start a debate, then ignore the responses. Idiotic.

Good try, but you won’t see me in any of those.

Once again, is english your native language? What exactly are you trying to articulate here? Your comment here is well a sentence fragment. Please use proper sentence formats so we can understand the stuff you blabber about.

What does obama have to do with Oblat’s conversation? You apparently listen to too many sound bites.

Not my kids, how can you generalize a whole nation’s kids. As a matter of fact, our education system is better now then when I was a kid, and I am an engineer, and quite do quite well with it. I compete with the Chinese, and Indians all of the time doing computer isht, nothing special there thanks.

@Araya

If CHINA want to conquer and invade AMERICA, CHINA should have done in 1421 — See “1421 — When China discover the World” — by Manzies.

AMERICA then was no where near CHINA then– whether military, politically or diplomaticaaly. CHINA didn’t and she will not.

Explain to me how that we can’t see it, when I explicitly said that I compete with chinese for all of the time. For contracts, working on virtualization, working on cisco equipment, ect ect. We are very much aware that it is competetion, the thing is, the chinese aren’t very transparent. They also are breaking the rules with currency, whether you want to admit that to us or not. It is evident, and we are playing the game like they are now, loose fiscal policy. In many ways not only do we compete but we excel, take space for instance. The chinese know that they cant compete with spacex prices. Yes China is leaps and bounds more advanced then they were 20 years ago, but still 50% of their population makes something like $2 a day. They have a huge demographic problem, what happens when China’s current baby boomers retire? 1 child to take care of 2 parents isn’t going to be good thing on a national basis. They are going to have the same ss and medicare woes we have but times 6 since their population is around 6 times as large.

Space X.com

Read, a US company pretty much about to corner the launch market world wide and an admission from the dreaded Chinese horde that they can’t compete. America can’t compete? Maybe in your world, not mine, and not Space X’s either. You really need to seek serious counseling.

Whats distrubing is the article reads as if we are dealing with an elected government and not a dictator. Why not have a peaceful fight. Let us buy US made products, and burn every US Flag, not made in this country.

Space X gets people excited because China has already eaten the rest of the space industry. It’s sad really.

What rest? Launch costs are the space industry. The only thing sad is that you haven’t sought the counseling you clearly need and that you bother coming here to just be an ass.

I myself work in our education system as a AAA (Additional Adult Assistant) with special ed kids that are in regular classrooms, and while our education system might be “better” then it was back when you were a kid. It still sucks compared to the rest of the world (ranked 20th last time I checked). Think Japan had #1 and China around #12. We spend about 40% more per kid then the next biggest spender with no gains. And the fact that we spend billions, and over half the schools lack proper materials, or even essential things like AC and proper heating.. thats just sad.

It needs a major overhaul.

They don’t need to invade and conquer militarily.

Not my area of expertise but I fear the governments answer will be to just throw money at it, which probably won’t work.

we have alot more experience in carrier operations than they do so cry me a river if they get one operational. They have a long road to catch up to us. I’m not worried.

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