What will the Dempsey era bring?

What will the Dempsey era bring?

The lesson this weekend was clear: In Washington, always believe every rumor you hear. After rumblings that grew from a trickle to a waterfall, President Obama announced that he will nominate Army Chief of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey to be his new chairman of the joint chiefs, just as expected. And, just as expected, Dempsey’s vacancy as Army chief will be taken by Gen. Ray Odierno, the one-man JFCOM wrecking crew who many observers have said had “chief” written on him for years.

Beltway rumor-mongers did not correctly predict Obama’s pick for vice chief, though: The inside money was on Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz, who has been a steadying influence on the Air Force, a service that people said had earned a “turn” in the top leadership on the Joint Staff. But the White House looks down at the JCS, not up from within the Building or the service stovepipes, and it cares less about hurt feelings or perceptions of fairness inside the Palace. So it is going from a JCS run by a Navy admiral to one with a Navy admiral as its vice chief: Obama nominated Adm. James Winnefeld, head of Northern Command, to take the place of Marine Gen. James Cartwright.

In this situation, it’s hard to know what’s real and what’s the product of Beltway Telephone. Cartwright was believed to be next in line for the top job. Did Secretary Gates and Adm. Mullen really withdraw their support for him because he didn’t tell them he was going to oppose their plan for the Afghanistan “surge?” Did hidden enemies in the Pentagon really try to sabotage his chances by leaking an Inspector General’s report that looked into Cartwright’s relationship with a female subordinate — even though he was cleared? Did the Army orchestrate this whole thing to get its man into the chairman’s job, so the service would have a top-level a bulwark against the budget ax? What happened to Adm. James Stavridis, the European Command boss whose conduct of the Libyan war was said to have given him an edge in the chairman’s race?


All, some or none of it could be true — or most likely, your position in the Corporation will dictate what you believe and what you reject. We can only be sure of a few things: All of Dempsey’s goals and views about being Army chief are now thrown out — Odierno is the new news. Dempsey the tanker must show that he can become Mr. Joint, and talk about ships and aircraft the way Mullen learned to talk about brigade combat teams. Dempsey also must see the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell to its conclusion, and begin to help with the Afghanistan drawdown. Oh, and some kind of DoD budget issues may come up as well.

Dempsey also has the opportunity to put his own stamp on the job as chairman, much as Mullen has spent it as a high-profile advocate for returning service members and their families. The chairman’s job is as much as bully pulpit as anything else, and it’ll be interesting to see how one of the Army’s top thinkers — Dempsey commanded Training and Doctrine Command before his touch-and-go as chief — will use it.

What do you think he should do?

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Dempsey needs to reign in the massive bureaucracy that surrounds the Services. We have way too much
“support” offices/personnel that don’t seem to be relevant or supportive. Between the arsenals, labs, offices, and commands we see half our resources wasted for little or no observable benefit. Capability and Requirements writing has become a make work enterprise with enormous costs and few benefits.

Dempsey needs to work with the OSD eliminate offices & personnel who hinder progress. Reign in the ridiculous and expensive capabilities which we rarely use and depletes resources from the fight. Until you start ending the careers of incompetent commanders/PMs or firing obstructive/bureaucratic DoD Civilians.…you’re just talking loud and sayin’ nothing.

For the sake of the Services, let’s hope he can do it.

Dempsey’s key take aways moving forward are the following: Stop Work on JSF, Integrate Connectivity accorss the GIG utlizing TTNT, Stop Work on NGB, Retire the B-2, Stop Listening to Prime Integrators including Lockheed Martin, Invest in a Long-Range A-A Weapon with a PK rate over 30%, Continue upgrades to Stand Off and Net-Work Enabled Weapons, Upgrade UAV Capability in the Air, Land and Sea, Stop Building Fucking Ships, Upgrade the AV-8B in place of JSF, Fund additional upgraded F/A-18E/F and EA-18G for the Marine Corps, Fund needed technology for the Army and Marine Corps. This would save the DOD Trillions of wasted funds and give us back the capability we need in the Battlespace.

PukingDog01 may have the new CJCS’s agenda pegged??.…eliminate the USAF except for AMC and the USN and fund more ground troops…LOL..who will have about zero capability to defend vital US national interests in the coming decades.…except perhaps to attempt to restore order in our urban areas after our economic collapse. PK01 weapons of choice???.…long range A-A weapon with a .3PK…LOL…great plan, real genius. But even a stopped clock is right twice a day..the F35 needs to be truncated but not eliminated…and one more time for the folks that failed physics but read Sgt Rock comic’s…UAV’s have serve limits on combat utility beyond benign COIN conflicts…AV-8Bs/F18s…LOL..guess PK01 can handle the nation’s air superiority, strategic strike, interdiction, sea control missions with AV-8Bs and UAVs…WOW…I’d like to see that plan! We could call it OPERATION SEMPERFI HUBRIS MAXIMUS

Mark apparently you to must be employed by Lockheed Martin. Our Favorite $160,000,000.00 each JSF Platform that originally was targeted 16 years ago to be $55,000,000.00. Now we have yet another Paper Aircraft from Lockheed (I Need more funding for our Shares Holders on Wall Street) Martin. Yet again they prove their ignorance. You need to study the various OCO’s, Missions and CONOPS. I am sure you are ignorant of any Battle Plans or current capability of the F-16CJ, F-16C/D, F/A-18E/F, EA-18G, F-15C/D/E/SE, F-16 Block 60, B-52H and (CALCM), AC-130, EC-130, Predator, TACTOM, A-10A, JASSM, JSOW-C, D etc… etc… . The F/A-18E/F and EA-18G are still in production and have greater capability and connectivity than a Block IV JSF. We have platforms and capability everywhere. Yet the DOD Senior Leadership and the Integrators keep peddling their wares and these idols keep purchasing systems for no reason. Yet we allow our Army and Marine Corps personnel into a Combat Zone with no Armor protection on their vehicles. Why??? No Money in simply up arming vehicles and saving lives….

And we cannot bury our warriors correctly at Arlington or in some case find their graves. That makes a lot of sense. Yet Wall Street and the Integrators keep coming back to the Holy Cow for more milk. Lockheed is continues to build the F-16 (originally General Dynamics Purchased By Lockheed Martin) Lawn Dart that I use to fly including the Block 50’51 C/D and CJ not to mention the Bock 60. Get a Grip. We do not need JSF!!! WE need a bigger A-A stick with a higher PK Rate, any number over 30% in all weather would be fantastic. Additional connectivity in the battlespace would be great. We no longer need additional manned aircraft. WE have enough Stand-0ff weapons to choke a horse and bomb every camel rental agency and grass hut in the world. On the other hand with the upgraded capability to our current platforms we could have additional capability at 1/99999999 the cost.

We do not need a JSF when STEATH IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They can take JSF, B-2, and F-22 and push an “I-Beam” from the augmenter to the Cockpit and we would not lose one solitary piece of Warfighting Capability. See F-117 in the bone yard at DMAFB that was in 2008, why??? Simply because Stealth is dead. Why did we not build additional F-22, because Stealth is DEAD? Why did we not integrate an A-A Internal Gun on JSF? Because of ignorance. Why can’t JSF destroy a bridge without hanging a Pylon? Because the Weapons Bay is too small. Why can’t JSF Fly… because the OFP and Software is SCREWED up. Why” Because Lockheed Martin is Useless. The list goes On…. For days…

All these Senior Leaders at the Pentagon and Prime Integrators is slowing chocking off all funding and bankrupting the DOD and the Country for no rational reason other than Wall Street and these Admirals and Generals next Position after retirement. Mullins has spent more funding on 19Knt afterburning Ships/Targets than any admiral in the Navy after WWII. We do not need a JSF or additional ships when STEATH IS DEAD!!! Come ON… There are countries that have pieces of the F-117 for the past 12 years coming up with a way to counter our capability. Are you kidding, how long would it take us to fix this GAP if the shoe was on the other foot. Therefore: They can take JSF, B-2, and F-22 and push an “I-Beam” from the augmenter to the Cockpit and we would not lose one solitary piece of Warfighting Capability. Google on your spare time working at Lockheed Fucking Martin the SA-21, S-400 Triumf Capability. Learn Something that will help these folks move our Defense forward not backwards. McPeak put all our eggs in one basket while he was part of the Air Force. Thanks to his stupidity we are now paying for his easter egg hunt.

Stop building Navy Ships?!?! The most important Weapons to defend the USA are Warships. Puckindog 01 you need more warships after all, why the number of your Fleet sunk year by year. And why you will kill the F35, why you have seen a Webpage written by a F35 header and F22 Fanboy like Carlo Kopp “Air Power Australia”.

This is the only reason to explain why you will permanently kill the F35 and buy new A-A Missiles with “bigger” range. New A-A missiles like the Meteor are good things and i believe what the should buy sutch A-A Missiles but Stealh are more important them every A-A Missile. For example the best Russian paper tiger (Ks 172) with a range of “300” miles cannot shutdown a stealth aircraft how long the Su35S radar detected this air craft at 20–30 miles.

Ok, all I can say is that if the F-35 fails you can dance on the grave as much as you want, but in the meantime everyone’s just speculating. Most of the cost figures everyone is floating aren’t coming from the government OR the contractor. If you wake up and smell the coffee every bad story originates from someone with an axe to grind, mainly Boeing lobbyists and supporters.

I’m not saying the program is a model of efficiency, but to compare a plane in development to pieces of crap like the F/A 18 just doesn’t make sense. Th F/A 18 is not only almost 30 years old AND still costs almost $60 million, it can’t go around the block without needing a refuel and resupply. I could forgive its complete lack of legs, but you can’t ignore its absolute crap payload capacity.

F-35 is already a failure. and I personally won’t be dancing. I’ll be puking whether or not it is canceled, at the utter stupidity of our defense leadership and f-35 advocate robots who could care less about taxpayers, warfighters, or overall national security. F-22, the supposed epitome of 5th generation aircraft, reportedly contains 1.7M lines of code. F-35 reportedly contains 8M SLOC (20M including entire weapon system), meaning 4 to 10 times inevitable SW deficiences, to be paid for at unquantifiable expense to the taxpayer and at unknown impact to warfighters who will have SW glitches and freezes during missions. Not Good. There is no logical explanation for why we need this much complexity in a tactical aircraft that is just one piece of the modern battlespace puzzle.

There is no logical reason to invest $400B in one acquisition program when an adversary can bring the world to its knees with low cost system disruption attacks on electrical, financial, information, and oil delivery networks. F-35 investment reflects national security myopia, corruption & incompetence at senior levels of our govt, continuance of the too big to fail mentality, repeating the pattern of failed acquisition programs, inability to admit mistakes and make course corrections, and in general, failed strategic thinking.

If F/A-18s range is the problem, then DoD should have to fix that problem. When modernizing, you need to keep what works and fix what doesn’t work, rather than create a whole new host of unknown problems.

Please never accuse me of being a pathetic lobbyist for Boeing, or Lockheed Fucking Martin. That is worse than being capture by the Taliban, water boarded and having my head cut off. Please that is an uncivil comment. My Loyalty is with the DOD and the Services not the stinking Integrators.

FYI: The F/A-18E/F and EA-18G right now has more capability than the Block IV JSF will have in 2024 if at all. Why, because JSF and Lockheed Martin lied and it is a paper Aircraft. Every Paper Aircraft is Perfect and will do everything… LOL… BTW: The F/A-18E/F and EA-18G are still in production and are not 30 years old. JSF is already 16 years old and has not flown one sortie in combat.

Well I would like to see a less “Ego TV Time” and “Jet Setting” and more work on the problems that beset the armed forces. I would like to see a JCS who does not thin he is Sec State but is more in tune with the troops. I am sick of Mullen and his CNO and his do good do attitude on social issues. It is time to come back to center and do the job you are suppose to do. I would like to see well over half the flag billets done away with and get our force structure back in balance. My goodness we fought WWII with a fourth of the flag structure

If you think weapons systems are going to get rained in — well folks most of the time it is not the defense department but your elected Congress protecting their territory and jobs and that ain’t gonna change. We need to learn that gold platting isn’t the answer. Just think a battleship could replace every aircraft mission flown in Lybia. Crazy !!!!!!!!!

Oh well I can dream on and on and on and on.….….….….…..

I agree with Puckindog, F-18s are not 30 years old. New versions are coming brand new off the assembly line. I say terminate JSF, and buy more of the proven aircraft we already have in the fleet and stop the welfare programs of the retired double dippers. Years ago Americans were aghast when they heard of $400 hammers being purchased by the DoD. Now we are not even buying hammers nowadays, but instead spending billions by keeping an acquistion structure in place and creating positions for retired officers and civilians, who bring in huge pensions and work again with contractors and military retirees get SES civilian jobs. Time to buy actual weapons not provide money for retirement boon daggles.…

Being an infantryman most of my experience with aircraft was watching A-10’s kill tanks. That said, it seems to me that the newer platforms rely to much on technology and software. What ever happened to the pilot? Oh yeah, we don’t need him/her anymore… or do we. Technology is great… however not at the cost of skill, and thats what we need. Pilots that can fly,
As for ships, I subscribe to the old theory control the seas, control the world. Keep building em.
Finally, all this is moot. We concentrate on global force projection. We should be thinking bigger. Our defense stratedgy needs to include a real plan for controlling space, and I’m not talking intercontinental missles or geo satellites.

Out with the old and in with the new. All the guys that were passed over for this position have been in the military for thirty years or more. By not picking them for the job is their way of saying, it’s time to retire cause there are only so many positions at the top. In case most of you didn’t know, the military do have a limited amount of years you can stay in, only certain positions are allowed to stay longer, Thats the way the Armed Forces work, this is not a civilian cooperation where you can work until you die. I can tell you this, the Generals that didn’t get the job are not hurt for maney. Good luck to the new Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

“In this situation, it’s hard to know what’s real and what’s the product of Beltway Telephone. Cartwright was believed to be next in line for the top job.“______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Mabe you should stop trying to guess what the SECDEF is gonna do and wait until he do it before you open your mouth.

I am not an expert nor do I have all the answers (or any answer in fact) but I do think that we need to par down the number of contractors and stop paying the contractors the ridiculous amount of money we are paying them. Use that money to pay a decent salary to the young men and women who are risking their lives for our country. It is time to put less emphasis on big business and act like a real military again. It also might be a good time for those retiring from the military to quit setting up their corporate friends to make billions so they can go work for them a few months after they retire. Isn’t that considered conflict of interest???

WHAT HAPPEN TO THAT SAYING “OLD SOLDIES JUST FADEAWAY” WHERE ARE THE YOUNG BLOOD WHEN YOU NEED THEM,NOT SOMEONE THAT FORGOT TO RETIRE.…I BELIEVE SOMEONE LOOKED UP HIS VOTER REGISTRATION CARD !!! NOW GEN.ODIERNO WOULD BE THE BETTER CHOICE.…

The JSF will earn its own “wings” when the time comes to go to war. The Super Hornet is about 25% larger than C/D versions so direct comparisons are not correct. JSF will replace several older jets, not just one platform. Saying an F-18E can refuel other jets does not mean it’s a KC-10. The actual cost figures of F-35 are no where near $ 160 M than a reader suggests. The more people throw out all sorts of numbers, the more other people will enlarge on them. The reality is way lower. Many F-15 pilots railed against the F-22 in the beginning. Then they got to fly them. Now they know what 5th Gen means in real terms and they are smiling all over the sky. The JSF F-35 will bring a whole new meaning to “Shock and Awe” than F-117. The difference is like comparing an F-100 to an F-18.

REGARDLESS OF WHO WHAT AND WHERE…The White House calls the plays, and announces the music to dance. So no matter who is secretary of what, or the military chief of what, keep your eye on who is “advising” the White House??? I think the answers are there, more than anywhere else today.… The danger is in who are these advisers, that remain in the shadows and background????

Thomas Payne on wrote that “continuing to do what is wrong will over time take on the appearance of being right”. I worked for 5 years as an officer in the Pentagon, and when you are in the inside you quickly learning that spending by service is considered a right, more so then a need. We should stop building more nuclear subs and aircraft carriers — we have more then the entire world added together, we do not need the F-35 — we have more modern fighter aircraft then the entire world added together. If we modernize what we have we can still defeat any enemy and save “trillions of dollars” — Billions in the POM now.

Dempsey should ask whoever wrote this how come there are three “as” –es in that concluding excuse

for a sentence.

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