Report: DoD testers not to blame for delays

Report: DoD testers not to blame for delays

The Pentagon’s Operational Test & Evaluation teams aren’t the cause of delays in all the weapons programs you hear about these days, according to a new report — it’s the faults they uncover that keep the various projects from coming in on time. That’s according to documents cited by Brendan McGarry and Tony Capaccio of Bloomberg News, whose story appeared Monday behind a subscriber pay wall. But the report made its way into the Beltway bloodstream anyway, in part because of an email blast by defense analyst Winslow Wheeler, who wanted to call attention to the story, and DoD’s findings, as proof that the defense acquisition process is broken.

First the McGarry and Capaccio story. They wrote this:

The document marks the latest volley in an ongoing fight between program managers and testers over who is to blame for widespread delays in programs such as Lockheed Martin Corp.‘s Patriot Advanced Capability-3 missile-interceptor system and F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.


An independent team led by retired Navy Rear Admiral Kathleen Paige investigated reports from program managers and program executive officers, or PEOs, that testers imposed requirements beyond the scope of weapons programs.

The team “found no significant evidence that the testing community typically drives unplanned requirements, cost or schedule into programs,” according to the June 3 memo co-signed by Ashton Carter, the Pentagon’s top weapons buyer, and J. Michael Gilmore, the agency’s top weapons tester.

Most delays are due to problems uncovered by the testing, not by the testing alone, according to the Pentagon’s review of 40 programs with significant delays.

“In 37 programs, there were delays caused by problems discovered during testing,” the memo states. “Problems found by testing were shown to cause much longer delays than any delay caused by testing itself.”

Wheeler, in his email commentary, wrote this:

The document … identifies various specific reasons for the problems programs experience — different from most of the explanations from contractors and other system advocates in and out of the Pentagon. (Eg. for the F-35: “Fly rates per month lowered to more realistic projections (from 12 max for all variants and venues to 10 max for CTOL/CV flight sciences, 9 max for STOVL flight sciences, 8 max for all mission systems); increased planning factors for re-fly and regression (up 15% for flight science, 10% for mission systems); more time required for software development and incremental builds.”)

Beyond the F-35, the various systems described in the analysis are typically more obscure programs (eg. AIM-9X 8.212 Software Upgrade) but there are also a few better known ones, such as [the littoral combat ship], which is described in part as “Availability of complete mission packages will be delayed until at least 2015.”

Instead of withholding production of untested systems with clear and obvious development problems, Congress and the Pentagon are intent on business as usual. The LCS is a good example: instead of “fly before buy,” Congress and the Navy want to rush ahead of testing to buy 4 LCS in the 2012 HASC DOD Authorization bill for $1.8 billion in production costs.

Some will think the DOT&E analysis and documents to be obscure and too “in the weeds” to pay much attention to. Instead, they offer a major part of the explanation for why hardware costs and delays are so out of control, and they offer a stunning view into how little is being done about that.

Secretary Gates has said he wants to try to avoid this in future by stressing the need to use “proven” technologies in developing new weapons such as the Air Force’s bomber, but this creates a quandary: How do you push forward with innovative, advanced weapons that give American forces the edge and at the same time use equipment or materials that already exist?

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ah-heh. “OT&E not source of program delays, claims OT&E”.

you do what most fiscal conservatives hate: spend money not knowing if it is worth it in the long run. DD-1000, EFV, even the F-35 should really be developmental testbeds in which technologies are adopted for full production on proven designs. Instead we create these pie in the sky numbers based on an agreed upon cloud of future technologies that we can’t mature.

we are starting to do this now it would seem. the marines are using the technologies advanced into the EFV and trying to incorporate into the next system. the seawolf class submarines developed and matured technology that was put to use on viginia class subs.

but again the understanding is that for every virigina success you will have many more failures. growing up i honestly thought that was what the government was for (right/wrong/indifferent). we developed the atomic bomb without truly knowing it would work. look at how much money that was spent on that project, but it did work and many american lives were saved.

I thought this was apparent back in 2008 when the Defense Science Board came out with the assessment that 80% of the products sent to SWAC was deemed unsuitable. Suitability is assessed by the T&E process.

We are going backwards in science and engineering in this country. In the news recently was the discovery that cell phones cause interference with aircraft systems. This has been known for over 25 years.

Secretary Gates says he wants “proven technologies” in the new bomber, and then DoD leadership gets away with an “optionally manned” concept. There’s the problem right there. The solution to the “quandry” has been known and argued for by smart people until they are blue in the face — who unfortunately are the ones who are listened to. Still in the quandry and don’t get it? Hint: Build a prototype and test it in the operational environment first before trying to integrate it into a Major Defense Acquisition Program. If it doesn’t work in a lab/test environment, it is not ready to work in an MDAP. The gear has got to be reliable in wartime conditions and environments, for Heaven’s sake. Operational suitability is much more important than “pushing innovation advanced” weapons. It is not sinking through to the most gullible among us that technology is just a tool, a means to an end. In the pursuit of “the best”, it ends up becoming a crutch. History repeats itself with performance shortfalls and cost & schedule overruns. Some people learn. Many do not. And the taxpayers have to bail DoD out over and over and over again…

Gates, needs to GO ASAP.… Along with Aston Carter and the remainder of the Engineering and Program Management Staff assicated with this Missile and JSF. There is no excuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

STEALTH is DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Google SA-21 and S-400… READ it is TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JSF needs to go along with the reset of senior leadership at the Pentagon. This crap has gone on long enought. Screw Wall Street, Lockheed Martin and Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lockheed Martin could not engineer there way out of a paper Bag without charging the US Government $160,000,000.00 each times 2600… Only 60 percent over buget after 16 years of development. The SR-71 only took less than 3 years from drawing board to flight.

Well. the LCS needs to be cancelled immediately. What a waste of resources. The HASC leadership should see this trainwreck coming and they are asleep at the wheel!!

Yelling stealth is dead over and over again doesn’t make it true. Take your medications please.

Hey PuckingDog01…you raving LUNATIC. The House just approved 100$ Million to begin advanced development of USAF Next Generation Bomber. So much for your “STEALTH IS DEAD” theory. Of course, this is on the heels of rapid prototyping, development and testing of Northrup Grumman’s X-47 and Boeing’s Phantom Ray UCAV/UCAS platforms. Can you now just please shut up already with your inane crusade. I mean, it would be one thing if it had any possible merit, and even a remote resemblence to facts, but it is just so wrong that your misguided mantra completely destroys whatever credibility you might otherwise have. In many of your posts, you have had made a few perceptive and cogent points…but you are so far off base when it comes to Stealth. Me thinks you might have some ulterior motives, or personal vendetta against Lockheed Martin.

You’re feeding a troll.

Don’t feed the troll.

Hey dog puke! Before you can intelligently comment you must first demonstrate at least a little knowledge about the differences between various programs. 1. The original requirements for the SR-71 were frozen at the PDR. The F-35 requirements are not frozen even now, they are still in a state of flux. 2. Lockheed “Skunk Works” was basically given a free hand for its design. Just how many agencies have a hand in the F-35 design? Care to bet it is more than just LockMart? 3. The most radical portion of the SR-71 design was its metallurgy. Other than that its design was an incremental evolution of the state of the art. These days that is no longer good enough for our politicians. They want weapon systems that will still be around long after they retire. Before the 1970s an aircraft’s design life was measured in 3 to 4 years. Now they want at least 20. Rather than incremental improvements this requires revolutionary leaps in technology. Have you ever heard the term the “bleeding edge” of technology before. 4. Politicians in the Pentigon and at the Capital do not want to spend money on upgrading existing systems! Therefore, they want all the bells and whistles up-front even if it takes a decade to develop the technology. In the meantime if our war-fighters are stuck fighting a war with worn-out, second class equipment … well they’ll find some well meaning jerk like you to pin the blame on.

In the meantime, until you get an education and develop some critical thinking skills, why don’t you shut up and give the rest of us a break?!?

I remember when testing was a part of development and design was recognized as an iterative process. Now we test at the end merely to pass and change the specs to match actual performance when it doesn’t and wonder why we get crappy weapons. It’s a good thing the government didn’t always pay for development, or we’d have lost the Cold War for sure.

It’s called a reply.

We trolls need it to live.

To the “Systems Engineer”

“Lockheed ‘Skunk Works’ was basically given a free hand for its design. Just how many agencies have a hand in the F-35 design? Care to bet it is more than just LockMart?”

Strange: Here in Europe, and SINCE BEFORE the times of the Panavia “Tornado”, summoning as many aircraft industries as possible around each new fighter project is even seen as an indispensable key to its SPEEDY COMPLETION , not to 30-+-year-long delays! It’s usually a synonym of quality, too: Just compare the multi-national “Eurofighter” with the vastly inferior “Rafale” of go-it-alone aircraft maker Dassault (because we French unforgivably opted out of the brilliant “Eurofighter” project…) !

You cannot make a baby in a month by getting nine women pregnant! Program after program, the political levels, down to the Deputy Assistant of Assistant Secretary of Defense for Environmentally Acceptable Armpits, they either invent a new paradigm for Risk, Financial Reporting or whatever and still don’t get it right.
AS the DBB recommends, establish a career field for acquisition,hold them responsible for requirements, cost and schedule.
DOD has 10 FFRDCs, so dissolve them and put all those people to work permanently and hold them responsible for programs.

The defense contractors will tell you that it’s specification changes that are to blame for the massive cost overruns. But this report proves them wrong. Failed tests due to failed designs are the reason.
As long as the contractors are rewarded fro failure they will continue to screw up.

“Strange: Here in Europe, and SINCE BEFORE the times of the Panavia “Tornado”, summoning as many aircraft industries as possible around each new fighter project is even seen as an indispensable key to its SPEEDY COMPLETION”

Like the A-380?

All professional testers know this. Testers are always blamed because get to start work when the project is already years behind and billions over budget. Dfens has it right. Now it is a check in the block after all the money has already been spent. Too often it doesn’t matter if the test fails or succeeds, there is no money to fix anything anyway.

Yeap Stealth is DEAD!!! Lockheed Martin is useless and we will continue to pay the Price for the Generals lack of leadership. Another Manned Platform NGB will not help or give additional combat capability. We are all at the mercy of Big Business and folks in the Pentagon that need a Job after Retirement. JSF, F-22 and NGB need to be scraped. If we did not have Unmanned Stand-Off Capability Weapons avilable that is one thing. However, Bombing or Destroy Buildings or fixed objects is another. Anyone with thoughts would understand that we have the capability to use unmanned platforms on both Fixed and Moving Targets at no risk to human life. So Why would we continue to build these worthless platfroms.… The answer is Money for Wall Street and the idiots in Congress. Yes, today the Congress passed a Law Stopping WIC for the Poor in this Country and at the same time gave 17 Billion addiional funding to the Pentagon. I am all for Defense and Great Weapons. However, don’t need these platforms.… Stealth is Dead a longer Stick is much more leathal with less risk. These Rebuplicans have lost their minds.

those people out there that brought dreamliner too a reality would probly do a better job for that lots of it just accured out there??? eunice was just one of the back plans? why would there be such an atomic atmosphere out there?????

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