Obama fires back in defense of Libya campaign

Obama fires back in defense of Libya campaign

President Obama almost chuckled on Wednesday when he was asked if the U.S. involvement in the Libya operation runs afoul of the War Powers Resolution — in fact, it comes nowhere close, Obama said, so he didn’t even have to give an opinion about whether the resolution is constitutional. Obama has consulted  with Congress on Libya extensively, he argued, and lawmakers’ objections about his war-making powers are just political noise.

Although the White House has issued statements on its position before, Wednesday’s press conference was the first time Obama has addressed the Libya-war powers debate in person. “I don’t need to put on my constitutional law professor hat,” Obama said, because the War Powers Resolution was enacted under a set of completely different circumstances. Amid post-Vietnam anger, Congress drafted it in the context of tens of thousands of American deaths, and many billions of dollars in costs, Obama said. No Americans have been killed in the Libya intervention and the projected cost of U.S. involvement — which at this point, consists mostly of aerial refueling and UAV orbits — is below $800 million.

What Obama did not address was the reality that the Libya situation has apparently hardened into stalemate. He did not respond to a question about a proposal in the Senate that would authorize American involvement in the Libya campaign for one year, nor give details about what accomplishments would lead to the end of U.S. involvement. And although he restated his position that Libyan strongman Moammar Qaddafi must step down, Obama did not address a question about whether Qaddafi could leave power but stay in Libya under some kind of arrangement with a new transitional government.


Obama’s aggressive defense of his ability to commit American forces to an operation like Libya puts the ball back into the hands of his congressional opponents. House Republicans, led by Speaker John Boehner, have said in several different ways that they believe the president has overstepped his authority, but they don’t want to actually cut off funding for American troops involved in the operation. They also have remained silent about reports of recent American air strikes in Yemen and Somalia, said to have killed fighters affiliated with local al Qaeda franchises.

So the question now is whether Libya war skeptics have expended all the ammunition they’re willing to fire, including House resolutions and a lawsuit against the president, or whether Republican leaders will keep pressing for some other way to try to stop the American intervention. Under the War Powers Resolution, if both houses of Congress passed a resolution instructing Obama to withdraw the American forces involved with the Libyan intervention, he would theoretically have to give that order, but it’s unlikely that lawmakers would take that step, and Senate Democrats, at very least, would block it.

As a political matter, Republicans may already have done the damage they wanted to the president: They’ve forced Obama to give a very lawyerly, very Clintonian answer about his actions. As we’ve written before, although the clear intent of the War Powers Resolution was for Congress to put a check on the president’s ability to put troops into action, here’s what it actually says:

“The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations.”

The operative word here? “Consult.” As Obama said Wednesday, he has “consulted” with Congress extensively — he met with leaders before the Libya operation began; he’s sent witnesses to the Hill for 10 hearings; and has sent many updates about how the intervention is going. For the president’s purposes, he is complying with the letter of the law, even if many observers argue that he’s violating its spirit. University of Virginia political analyst Larry Sabato went so far as to drop the H-bomb Wednesday when he Tweeted: “Obama highly defensive on War Powers Act question because deep down he recognizes his own hypocrisy.”

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They messed this one up so bad from the start that it is useless — we never should had gotten involved from the start, nothing was happening here that wasnt and isnt going on anywhere else at this very moment. Once in our only intensions should had been to bomb the heck out of every site that Gadafi may had been at to ensure his death and ended his rule and threat to his people — not this looking for tanks attacking civilians BS we got involved in. With gadafi dead then so is his rule over the country and no further need to try and overthrow him, now if we dont find and kill him he will be more defiant and dangerous than before in believeing no one or country is a threat to or can kill him.

For a foreign intervention, this is a dreamboat. Low cost, high technology, no boots on the ground, allies taking the lead, U.S. providing “unique capabilities” (ok, I guess munitions are unique to Europe). People are crying stalemate after how long? When did we get into Afghanistan, last week? How long to get OBL?

Obama has absolutely overstepped his authority. A President should not even think about tap dancing when it comes to committing us to war for > 60 days. eg. Bush got a resolution, this is important, so the troops know the will of the nation is behind them. This is completely different then sending a SEAL team on a hit mission with immediate exfiltration. Brilliant 2nd-3rd paragraphs , BTW. I like how you have pointed out the unknown end game, and indeed, the unknown cost of this action. All of this should be thought, planned out, and debated on through a Congressional RESOLUTION. I want Obama out in 2012. He’s arrogant. He abdicates responsibility. He hasn’t demonstrated that he can negotiate and create bi-partisan solutions & harmony. He will be even more abusive in a 2nd term.

You accurately quoted the text of the Resolution section 1542, but you skipped over section 1541, most particularly the part entitled “Limitations” which immediately precedes the lines you quoted:

The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to:

(1) a declaration of war,
(2) specific statutory authorization, or
(3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces.

—-

Even the WH has never argued that any of conditions (1), (2), or (3) applied. Instead they claimed they were authorized variously under our treaties to the UN and NATO — except that both of those treaties explicitly state that no matter what resolutions those bodies may impose, the treaty can in no way to be construed as removing the requirement to gain the approval of Congress before action is taken by US forces, in accordance with the Constitution.

The problem is these rebels have ties to al-queda (whom they call good Muslims).

Just because Qaddafi says so doesn’t make it true.

We have enough on our plate with Iraq and Afghanistan we did not need another war even if it is ever-so-limited. Europe should have been able to take care of Libya. If they can’t what are they going to do when the real thing comes alone? Role over and play dead?
Jumping into Libya was not enough for Obama he has now taken on obligations in Somalia area as revealed in the news today!

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links
http://​www​.telegraph​.co​.uk/​n​e​w​s​/​w​o​r​l​d​n​e​w​s​/​a​f​r​i​caa…

The only reason this is even an issue is because the Republicans know they’re nearly politically dead. We’ve had two terms of a terrible Republican presidency that saw the nation plunge 14 trillion into debt, start a completely unnecessary war with Iraq that cost us a great deal of international prestige, and bulldoze American citizen’s civil rights in the name of “security” against asshats living in caves. Aside from Democratic complicity due to cowardice at losing their jobs, virtually ALL off this can be laid at the Republican party’s feet. Furthermore, they have virtually no credible presidential candidates for 2012. When the most prominent public figure in your party is Sarah Palin you are fighting to not have your credibility go down the drain.

They are trying to create controversy over virtually the same level of irrelevancy that Clinton’s extramarital affairs had, even going so far as accusing Obama of “overstepping his bounds”. Out of 150 conflicts that the United States has fought since it’s founding, 5 have had formal declarations of war. 5. Give me a break.

You’re joking right? The Democrats walked hand in hand with the Republicans every step of the way, and kept on spending us further and further into the red.

@charles222

I’m no Republican fan but you’re clearly a partisan hack. Over half the debt was on Obamaas watch. Most of it was voted for by majority Democratic Congresses. Iraq was handled poorly but it was voted for by plenty of Democrats and pushed for byPresident Clinton who cautioned the anti war Democrats that President Bush was using the same intel he had. President Obamas numbers are atrocious at the moment and for being nearly dead politically the Republicans handed the Democrats a pretty thorough thrashing last November. To try and state the geo poltical and financial mess this nation is in is not equally the fault of both parties is too simply be a bold faced liar.

Umm, you mean the debt that was incurred from bailing out the economy, which was entirely necessary according to most economists? And sure the Democrats are polling badly now, but oftentimes what people think about how good a job their politicians are doing has nothing to do with how well they actually are doing.

I’m pointing out the debt has either been voted for or proposed by both sides equally and there is zero high ground to claim for either party. My post is in regards to the political hackery of the previous poster and I make no attempt to dissect the debt for a value assessment, only that some claim that it all “laid at the Republican’s feet”. You might try re-reading his post, then mine, then apply some critical thinking to what I actually wrote.

Follow the money/emperor, and you’ll see the AGENDA HAS NOT AND WILL NOT CHANGE! As for US voters, the pendulum swings from left to right, depending on what the puppet master sees as dissatisfaction among the majority. Saying, “You’re tired of this guy, well, here’s his opposite — vote away, it matters not.” Nothing really changes, but somehow, YOU feel better because YOU believe change will come. IT DOESN’T and all POTUS’ dance to pretty much the same drum beat — as drummed by the emperor (who controls the media and can, amazingly, keep section 1541 out of the news — how convenient).

Libya is another political failure for our foreign relations president. Maybe he should stick to his world apology tours, giving in to the Russians on their every demand, throwing Israel under the bus and asking Iran why we all can’t just get along.

Great, either Obama believes he owes Europe by sticking with this cluster or he is trying to have some legacy a la MCcaine. Let’s see that Syria policy if you really want to seem legitimate.

Who does not have ties with al-qaeda? Was that not a justification for Iraq and turned out to be bunk and Powell burned all his political capital? Maybe he visited an AQ
message board.

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