Panetta’s challenge: Not just cut, but cut quickly

Panetta’s challenge: Not just cut, but cut quickly

As Fred Kaplan points out in Slate, it does a penniless United States less good — and even less good for President Obama and other politicians — if DoD can’t yield big budget “savings” until years down the road. For practical and political reasons, Secretary Panetta will be charged with seeing what he can effectively cut soon, and that could make his job even more difficult, Kaplan writes:

If the goal is to find fast ways of cutting the deficit, cutting payrolls is fastest of all. When money is authorized to buy a weapons system, it takes a while—sometimes a long while—to spend that money. For instance, according to the Fiscal Year 2012 edition of the National Defense Budget Estimates (also known as the Pentagon’s “Green Book”; see especially Table 5–11), only 15 percent of the money budgeted for a Navy shipbuilding project actually gets spent in the first year. Another 25 percent is spent in the second year, 20 percent in the third, 15 percent in the fourth, 12.5 percent in the fifth, and still another 12.5 percent in the sixth. (Similar figures apply to building military aircraft, missiles, and armored vehicles.)

To spell out one implication of this unalterable fact of military contracting, the Fiscal Year 2012 budget includes $2 billion to buy one [Arleigh Burke-class] destroyer for the Navy. Of that sum, only $300 million (15 percent of it) will wind up being spent in the first year. By the same token, if Congress or the White House removed this $2 billion destroyer from the budget, only $150 million would be saved in the first year. (And the Pentagon would probably have to pay “cancelation costs,” which are routinely incorporated into weapons-procurement contracts.) In other words, killing weapons systems is not a very good way to cut the deficit quickly.


All this is why Kaplan believes the Army will be the biggest target in Austerity America, because cutting soldiers, and their payrolls and other benefits, frees up that money on the balance sheet much faster.

And if you want to pick on the Army, you also could argue that one of its biggest and potentially most expensive priorities, the Ground Combat Vehicle, may not survive in its present form. Lawmakers have scratched their heads as to why the Army even needs a big new armored personnel carrier. Although the brass has a clear case — its current generation of vehicles is maxed out, in terms of size and power, and the Army needs something that can carry an entire squad — all the budget blades flying in Washington may find a quick and easy target in the GCV, given how early it is in development. It’s just like anything else: The more momentum the program gets, the harder it will be to stop. Everyone in the Building and on the Hill understands this, and they’ll no doubt push or pull accordingly.

For what it’s worth, Kaplan sees the F-35 as a potential target, too — although as you’ll see, he got its name wrong:

Cutting Air Force or Navy personnel would mean getting rid of airplanes or ships, a move that would sire a separate set of controversies. (Then again, it’s likely that Panetta will cancel or cut back some planes and ships, if just to spread the pain; the Air Force and Navy’s troubled Joint Strategic Fighter, aka the F-35 stealth aircraft, is a likely candidate. But there will be limits here, as his predecessor, Robert Gates, already cut a few dozen systems, and further cuts would spark political fights, especially given the already-high unemployment rate.)

By contrast, cutting Army and, to some extent, Marine personnel would mean erasing brigades or divisions from the roster and warehousing their weapons—which could then be transferred to other units as training or replacement gear, for more savings still. None of this is necessarily to say that the Army or Marines should be slashed—only that they almost certainly will be, given the traditional end-of-wars syndrome, the enormous pressures on the federal budget, and (a new factor) an emerging coalition of anti-war Democrats and anti-spending, isolationist Republicans.

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Kaplan dismisses cutting O&M, yet the Army, at least, has shifted to a replace, rather than repair mentality. There are fewer Army mechanics repairing alternators, starters, and other components than there were just a few years ago. There are opportunities in every section of the budget for savings. I don’t believe that DoD ought to be the first target, but I do believe that the DoD may end up being the only target.

There are many current programs and reductions that could be made or reduced without having to get crazy. The first thing I would do is weed out all the malingerers with non bonified illnesses but always have an excuse or need to go to medical to get out of something, then I would get rid of all the females that spend more time pregnant and on baby leave or cant deploy due to a lack of a baby sitter than they have spent actualy doing their job. I would then get rid of all the non PT passers due to weight — age — or poor physical fitness. I would cap enlistments to 25 yrs max (some going 30 to 40 yrs service are not fit for service anyways). I would then thin out the top brass 0–6 and above. I would also do away with re enlistment bonouses and enlistment ones as well. The I would do away with all the military sport teams and camps as well.
Then I would look at the VA and all the bogus claims being made to collect disability -

CONTINUED FROM ABOVE: If you were not released from the military with a documented ailment or disability in your medical record that you were recieving treatment for then you should not be able to go to the VA and claim things like acid reflux — tendenitous — tennis elbow — narcolepsy and other ailments to drive you closer to that 100% disabled mark, too many fakers in the system just as with social security. Go back to a matching edcucational fund, and make dependent health care same as federal employees but allow them to retain housing as is. I served for 24 yrs and see these as acceptable changes to the military. I would even forego recieving my monthly retirement check till age 60 if they change it to 50% of my actual pay vs base pay and it be totaly separate and not offset social security or prevent me from drawing a second federal or state govt employee retirement as it currently does.

There are many other changes that could be made as well to save the military money just by relocating and consolidating government offices. Small arms and ammo should be moved to lake city army ammo plant, TACOM should be at fort hood where there are lots of tanks and autos to look at, med & heavy weapons should be at yuma proving grounds, NAVSEA should be next to the shipyards, NAVAIR and airforce next towhere their planes are built and so on. AMC — ARDEC — JMC — rock island should not have thier own weapons and ammo procurement teams with different contracts all with the same contractors and same for other items (1 mgt team is all thats needed for each item not 4 to 5 diff ones).
I got lengthy here but all I said is doable and would save the military billions immediately without having to hurt our deployable forces and R&D.

I commend your suggestion to move procurement and support offices closer to where the action is, so to speak. But TACOM is already in Detroit, where quite a few military vehicle manufacturers have recently found lots of underemployed automotive engineers looking for work. That industrial clustering approach seems to be working out pretty well for all concerned. I love central Texas, but Killeen isn’t exactly a nexus of motor vehicle manufacturing.

You are correct about Killeen — but Ft Hood does have a huge number of tanks — bradleys — MRAPS and so forth plus the DOL’s and motor pools and training grounds not avail in detroit for program mangers to see what is going on and interact with troops and technicians about real issues. Plus being more centraly located would reduce travel and perdium cost currently being inflicted upon us. When I was at ARDEC I was constantly on travel usualy to YPG, that was an extra 2,000.00 a week paid by the tax payers for my travel and lodging just so I could witness testing and do investigations on issues. TOO MUCH WASTE.

I sounds as if you just want to do away the military which if the management of the USA economy continues the way it is you will get your wish.

Remember Jimmy boy did the same thing when he was President and looked what happened. The whole ecomony took a dump. Military spending is the only department that creats jobs in the private sector. Show me how people on welfare create jobs, show me a DemocRAT that would utter these two simple word without choking on them “Cut Spending”. The Military is always the one the DemocRATS want to cut, The reason is simple if DemocRATS cut welfare they would lose thier voting block.

They will never address that nor will the repubs for the most part for the same reason, just as they will never address the miss mangement and waste in SS & Medicare. There is no US born citizen who hasnt paid in for 40 + years to recieve this benny, many do not make it to retiremnt age and many die soon after, not many make it past 100 yrs old so in reality there should be moey left over in SS to offset medicare. Problem is they give it to too many who do not deserve to be drawing it (meaning not paid into it or old enough to retire) but they dont want to admitt to that either.

Troops, you can move the deck chairs around, but the Titanic is going to meet the iceberg if you don’t take some real risks and let certain missions drop. And don’t forget — game is to do it quickly since that is the attention span of your voting public. Drop several Bde Cmbt Teams, mothball Carrier Battle Grps, throw a few numbered Air Forces and 10 or so ACC Wings under the bus. The world you get will be one hell of alot uglier but … at least the US Government will still be in the phone book. And yes, you are doing away with the military as we have know it. And yes, it is because we no longer know how to manage the US economy. Strategically, we take a back seat for awhile — but then, so did Russia for the last 20 years. We are at least that good.

Good Morning Folks,

What’s new here. The Army since 2008 has know that after Afghanistan it was going lose 20% (150-200K) of its personal, and frankly the active Army officers who I’ve talked to have said it can’t come soon enough. To many E-5’s and 6’s and to many O-4’s, 5’s and 6’s. Many have expressed approval of moving Heavy Combat Units, Armor, Calvary, Artillery and Mech. Infantry, into the National Guard who is scheduled to take on more personal. The consolidations at Ft. Benning the United States Army Combined Arm Maneuver Warfare Center should be a clue that the Army is already changing and cutting back form it war time numbers.

The Marines have been scheduled to be cut from over 200k to 180K and now a new number of 165 K is appearing. I don’t think the Marines have seen the last of their RIF. The challenge for the Marines is to find and define new missions which the current command seem not to want to do. To General Amos, Counterinsurgency as in the manual you wrote is dead, it didn’t work. David is going to the CIA and are out standing in the field as they use to say. The amphibious capabilities of the Marines are on the chopping block. The Marines should be looking at that 200 mile defensive corridor that the Navy is going to inherit in the green water.

The USAF could depending and how many air combat wing Congress wants to keep could shed another 50K or more airman/women. Many of these RIF’s would be aircrews in F-16’s and F-15’s that are already on a cut back program. The F-35 will be the next manned fighter and it’s at least 10 years away from being operational. Meantime air crew are not getting any younger. Personal in the F-16 and F-15 communities were expecting by 2010 to be transitioning into the F-35 are sitting around with nothing to do. A lot of AF personal in the 10–18 year gap will be let go.

Tonight in “The Daily Teaspoon”. Since China announced it modernization in 1988 of it military how has it done, a report card.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

I am indeed impressed as to how willing some of the old timers here are willing to throw active duty service personnel under the bus in this economic climate. Must be nice have a cushy civil service job and double dipping retirement income. And isn’t that what this is all about here — the Vietnam era generation, having reached retirement age — sticking it to those who are too young or too poor to retire. So much for our gratitude for honorable military service and our compassion for the sacrifices made by those who wear the uniform… a shameful set of responses for DoD Buzz.

Byron Skinner…what is new here? Nothing. You are an idiot. plain and simple. You views are based off of whats being propagated by Fox news, the most unreliable reporting the planet has ever seen. So, to counter your talking head post, I am going to inject some reality.…

Like it or not, wars cost. And when Presidents and other idiotic elected officials do not like to raise funding to conduct wars, the economy suffers. Higher taxes, really high unemployment, and lest not forget those who will lose them next electoral bids to stay in office…they will do anything to stay in power..even sacrifice security gains in a war zone and kill soldiers needlessly with rhetoric about fast troop with drawls. But hey, this is America, and we can afford to cut our national defense in a time of war to the point where we become so ineffective at waging war, our national interests become put at risk, and the only option to defend those interests is to either surrender and suffer here at home for all us other people who are not elected officials, or respond with failed diplomacy to make up for capability short falls.

See when you gut the Army by cutting personnel, you put soldiers lives on the line. NO mechanics to fix anything means either you hire contractors to fill maintenance needs, or you do without. Cut tanks from the military, and you effectively gut land power. Rolling pill boxes are sometimes the best defense in a war…especially when it comes to the humble factor in being able to humble your enemy into submission by just the sight of the sheer size of the tanks involved..Cut trucks, you cannot move soldiers from one point to another. And lastly, cut manpower, and you absolutely cannot hold ground gained and taken from an enemy…a lesson we should have learned from the failed war in Iraq.

PTII.…cut the navy, and you cannot defend sea lanes so vital to our economy and lively hoods. Cut the Air force, and the Army suffers, because all the artillery is now replaced by fighter jets dropping bombs to support troops. Cut the Air force, and you lose global power projection. Cut the Air force, and you cannot defend national airspace…and that is a huge mistake enabling enemy airplanes or hijacked airliners to kill many innocent Americans here at home.

PtIII…so, here is where I will close. I am no defense expert. But, I do know a thing or two about history. And history has always shown America that its will is weak. Its will can and will be broken. Not by its aggressive spending habits…but by its political leadership who have no clue as to whether what they do will effect the outcome for a greater good.

America…the embarrassment of the world.

Yeah, I don’t expect to see Dept of Education, Dept of HHS, Dept of Agriculture, Department of HUD, Farm Subsidies, Section 8, WiC, Medicaid, etc being cut at all.

–K

It seems to me that lately the ONLY ones who are trying to address the problems with Social Security and Medicare are the Republicans.

Regarding gutting our Army through reductions in personnel strength, it still amazes me how the Democrats cut force structure so severely during the 1990’s when they were in charge, but then attacked Bush so relentlessly for ‘straining our military’ and ‘over-deploying our troops’ because our force was to small and the burden had to be born by fewer troops who would each have to do more.

Then, of course, one of 0bama’s first acts in office regarding our military was to end Bush’s program to add 6 BCT’s to the force at only the 3 that had already been stood up.

Now, after wasting hundreds of billions on ‘stimulus’, they act like they are concerned with ‘saving money’ and want to start chopping defense right away.

Leon knows that we need to cut the F-35, F.22, B-2, NGB and Fighter. We have enough Stand Off Weapons with the platforms we currently have and additional capability if we continue upgrades to wipe everyone off the planet if necessary. He knows all we are doing is wasting funds and keeping wall street and lockheed martin employed. We could stop these programs because STEATH IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Google SA-21 and the S-400. The platforms listed above can be shot DOWN with no problem. We do not need to continue the effort of wasting money on things we DO NOT NEED.… We need Generals with Balls. Leon will clean up this mess… he has a track record of making things happen. Go get them Leon.… You have my VOTE…

Fund the Marines, Army and Speical Forces.… The Hell with the Rest.…

@ Boomer if you don’t work at the VA shut your fat *** mouth most likely your the one getting all that crap. Sometime injuries like head injuries take time to know what’s going on. If you tell mean that your not getting retirement then maybe they should cut you medical too. And look your going to try to get two retirements from the government so how are you any dirrerent from somebody getting VA benefits. Well you have a great day.

Actualy I was rated at 68% disability, but I dont draw it — even though everyone tells me I should I refuse as long as I can walk on my own two legs and work. Yeah if I work for another 30 yrs it would be nice to get a retirement check just like everyone else who works for the government that are not retired military. Oh and I pay every month for my blue cross medical insurance because tricare aint worth a dang to start with — most Dr’s. wont even take it any more. In reality it sounds to me like you may be one of the ones milking the system, going hunting — fishing — joggin and once a month put on your leg braces, grab your cane and head to the VA to make sure that check keeps coming. Our troops that were actualy injured deserve this money — folks scamming the system are taking away from them and that is BS.

We are at war all the time for many years. Not just one war but many wars. Let’s THINK next time before we try to change a government to our way. The only way to cut spending is to get out of the war making induistry.

Yeah, but the only problem the “stimulus”, it was Bush’s, the current President just let it stand and did not stop it. I’ll admit, it was a good Idea, cause the American auto makers finally got the message. They are pulling thenselves out of that “lack of creativity hole” they dug for themselves. We have a lot of waste in DoD, money that could be put back into the Country. I really don’t have anything against contractors, but it’s a lot cheaper to pay Soldiers to do the same thing, we use to do that at one time. I understand the Federal Government has to provide a certain amount of jobs but, it should not be at the expence of the economy, that makes no sense.

Bob here.….….….….
I always thought that we should never cut any funding of our defense system….. Military .
Never ! . It should always be top priority .
There are people(s) out there and counties that would just love to see we’re cutting back.
Remember China is and was …and will.…. increase it’s military spending. That’s just one out of many ……..
So, what good will other cuts in our countries system do ‚if there is no country. .No more USA .
Never cut something that’s protecting you. NEVER !
This is not a mistake that we can make (like many before) and say : Oh , we made a mistake ‚we’re working on correcting it…
NOPE ……..not in this case with military spending …. It will be to late to correct anything……….

Later.
Bob

PS Hope that we learn the easy way this time ……………

You can bet the cuts will come to the enlisted personnel, not the bloated top brass.

Agree w/ a lot of cuts that you suggest Boomer, but do have issues with a few things. Not sure which service you refer to when you say “can’t deploy due to a lack of a baby-sitter” but in the AF, parents must have a workable family care plan and not being able to deploy because of an inadequate care plan is not tolerated. Or at least not tolerated for long. Things do come up occasionally that throw the family care plan out of whack so that a deployment has to be cancelled or delayed, but anybody who repeatedly was not able to deploy for this reason would soon be out of a job. As for “get rid of the females who spend more time pregnant or on baby leave”? Sounds a bit sexist. In most cases, they didn’t get pregnant by themselves so let’s also get rid of the guys who got them that way.

If your refering to me I never said gut the military — my comments were about getting rid of all the free loaders. I’m not a double dipper — if you are retired military you cannot recieve retirement from the govt civil service in any form under FERS. The ideal of not paying military retirees until age 60 vice immediatey and at 50% of thier actual pay vs 50% of base pay would mean they would actualy recieve more money (5k vs 2400 a month at a time when it will be more benneficial). And a lot of the same people that were slackers on military duty are the same ones draining the VA with false claims. I havent thrown anyone under the bus, just want the right ones to get what they deserve.

10 years of war, 5 and 6 deployments, the Army soldiers have given their lives, their time with their children, and wives. Casualties of war physically, mentally, and emotionally. They are worn out fighting two wars over ten years. These wars are not over yet. To cut benefits, or decrease the equipment they need is an atrocity. The top ten percent of the wealthy could begin to sacrifice as these men and women have. The over paid athletes could contribute more, Warren Buffet states he could be contributing more financially to our country!!
We have to remain a strong military force. China and Russia have sat back and let us assist the world, while they grow stronger. Why is the DOD the first to be cut? Think about the long term consequences.….

As citizens we need to demand term limits for Congress, they do not get life time benefits, they need to be on social security, medicare, and same insurance as the people who elect them. We need to push this issue.

I’m just curious what other departments are facing cuts (Department of Education, Dept. of Energy the IRS to name a few)? The IRS just announced the hiring of thousands of investigators to go after unpaid taxes. Why don’t we greatly simplify our tax code to a flat rate or move to a national sales tax format? We could cut the gigantic bureaucracy that is the IRS and make significant savings while eliminating the ability for individuals and corporations to navigate through loop holes in a superfluous tax code. Can anyone name a significant contribution made by either the Dept.of Ed. or the Dept. of Energy that really warrants keeping them on the books?

We are not cutting the cost of defending America! We are cutting government waste and deals Senator John McCain makes with foreign countries to build our equipment. Americans are paying for. It is a big difference when corporations out source, it does not cost the tax payer. Senator McCain fought to let France build our Air Force tankers that would cost you and I billions over the next thirty years and create thousands of jobs for france http://www.dove777.com,world" rel="nofollow">.http://www.dove777.com,world news today, the information is available, check it out. The government should never out source jobs because it puts our national security in danger and if world world 3 broke out we would not be able to build our equipment needed because our plants have been shut down by McCain. Air Craft mfg have shut down because of the out sourcing of DoD. We the American people should not have to pay and create jobs for foreign countries because of people like Senator (song bird) McCain. President Obama need to do his job and restore this nation and stop the foreign Aid to China and the other 149 foreign countries.

Need to cut old cold war era post that we are still maintaining around the world. Close these small bases in foreign countries that drain US dollars just paying host nation folks for doing nothing that has anything to do with todays world. Leave the big bases and close the small ones i.e. Livorno, Base near Rome, Schweinfurt Germany, and other little small out post in Korea.

I agree with you on the VA thing. A lot of guys truly need disability compensation and services. I like you, opted not to take any disability from the VA. I felt that it would be cheating the taxpayer to do so as long as I am reasonably healthy. I work around guys that are over 50% for things such as “sleep apnea” this is a big scam. Snoring??? Really??

Bring back the draft ! Think of how many new jobs could be created and get some at risk teens into a solid trianing ground for what life can bring …Presently, I believe, only about 1% or less of US citizens ever wear a uniform..Brings up another point, about who, will kick who, under that ever present bus„,No dobut in my alleged mind.….

Want to save some money? Get rid of the Air Force. They do not do anything that the rest of the forces don’t do. If anything, they are expensive foo foo that have the best of everything because they breath. Everyone know that aren’t “real military.” Take the best of the Air Force pilots, put them into one of the other 3 services, get rid of the rest, the support services, close part of the bases, etc. Why do retirees need pensions paid out before they are 65 like the rest of the population? Retirees do not need to be paid until retirement age. Tricare? That should only be for those who have no other resource for health care like a job. We have way to many goodies that the basic population does not get. We yell about Congress and their money and goodies, and rightfully so, but we to take a look at the rest of the “goodie pigs.” If a service member has a child and can not do their duty because of the child(s), then they are required to leave the service. Handout health care is eating the budget alive.A little bit here and a little bit there sure adds up.

you are so uninformed the military is like football people get injuerd for life the military soldiers all combat troops suffer major injuries so just think if your leg got blown off i will through you to the dogs dont be an idiot

Sorry to give you the wrong impression. Was refering to those who are retired and having nothing wrong with them and are below the general retirement age. I am a disabled vet and do not use my VA privileges because I work and have and pay for private insurance. For those who are truly injured and in need, they deserve everything.

Without the military, that aren’t paid enough as it is, where would we be? Where would other nations be? The need for the military is a blessing! Some ot the troops have been deployed so many times and they give up their family life to serve our country and those that want to reduce the cost of the military. Those that have given their lives should not have served in vain.

There are much more humane ways to draw down the force than what BOOMER would like to do. My position going in is that anyone who wears the uniform is deserving of respect, and shouldn’t just be thrown out on the street. And while the military is a young man’s business, anyone who can hang physically ought to be able to serve as long as they can. We set up these crazy standards that very few people can meet and then treat them like dirt when they fail. I also think there is room for limited duty service, because we should not be throwing people away. The fact that the military depends so much on contractors reflects the effects of the “up-and-out” system that regularly flushes people from the ranks and forces them into second careers — and the more we expand and contract end strength, like we just did, the more we mess with the lives of those at the margins. BOOMER may not care who gets hurt, but I do.

Yeah I work around guys that do the same thing, I have screws in both shoulders — three in my right leg — an artificial knee — and two herniated disc in my back all from injuries occured in the line of duty, but because I can still work and get around I refuse to take from those that truly desrve it and are really handicapped (loss of limb — sight — paralysed — etc.).

True it takes 2 to tango, but I saw more than once an unmarried woman — been in 4 yrs and had 5 kids all by different dads, never been deployed, had her mom and cousins living in base housing who would always have to be somewhere else every time she was finaly deployable so she had no one to leave the kids with. When she (they) came up for re enlistment and were initialy denied they got lawyers and screamed discrimination which is wa word that scares the heck out of military brass who cave in. We also busted a bunch of former prostitutes who joined the military knowing they could make more money serving on ships and in the field. But I also know of guys who always seemed to break a bone, cut a tendon, tear an ACL, or get arrested the day before a deployment. I just want all the scammers and free loaders off the payroll.

Good Morning Folks,

Well I see other then personal attacks nobody has any reason what so ever for keeping the ground forces at war time levels.

To @7thwave other the being the fool that you expose yourself to be and making a fictitious claims that know know something about history, you have no answers.

After war militaries cut back and thats a fact. The current volunteer, notice I didn’t use the term “Professional”, US Military is no exception. The Military is not a welfare agency to provide employment for those who can cut it on the outside.

All the worlds militaries are cutting back, just today the Russian Federation announced that it would cut back its 2.5 million military to an all volunteer force of 425K by 2017.

The common complaint of nearly all military officers who have held command positions since 9/11 is regarding the low quality of the ranks as standards have been progressively lowered to fill the ranks. It time to correct that.

A 20% cutback for the USArmy is rather modest if you compare it to the Bush (41) 40% cut back across the board of 1991.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Sleep apnea is serious business; it nearly killed me before I got treatment, but it already ruined my health. I’m not drawing on VA either.

Either way, either party, it seems this country is going to bread a circuses like the Romans. In Roman times, politicians bought votes with THEIR money, now they buy votes with OUR money! This is the best ponzi scheme in history!

White house staffers get 8% pay increase. DOD to cut military, especially Army, funding. I am atonished. The obama administration did this??? No, not them, can’t possibly be. The obama administration??? No, can’t be true. But he speaks so well of the military; he speaks so well about everything. You can’t mean that his actions belie his words and in reality he is full of crap. But, but, but, .……he speaks so WELL, and he is such a manly looking guy.

All the world’s military are cutting back. I don’t think the muslim brotherhood, nor the recruiters of other muslim extremists, nor North Korea, nor Iran, nor China, nor Syria, would agree.

You forgot the part about diggin a big moat and settin out punji stakes… You don’t want to fight a war without achieving air superiority… It seems that Congress & WH are taking this for granted.

I could say all kinds of informative, fact based, statements to refute your statement but I thin “You’re an idiot” will suffice

Quick cuts?!! Sounds dangerous! I don’t get it… While I admit that there ought to be re-thinking of system acquisitions, axing programs willy-nilly is going to cost jobs. Jobs that pay taxes and don’t require any unemployment compensation. Jobs that require experience and skills that aren’t quickly replaceable. While the impacts to defense aren’t easily assessable, the impacts to the federal budget seem obvious: less taxes in, more entitlemeent $$ goes out, possibly non-reversible. Job loss will also affect state & local budgets as well as local economy; defense facilities tend to be large area employers.
This cut ought to be very carefully thought out… And no, I’m not advocating Bailout Program for Defense Contractors! :-)

Look people the reality is that we have to cut no matter what! Stop whining and complaining and get with the program. With future troop withdrawals, in the next 2–3 years, it does make sense to cut now, and revisit the Defense budget after deployments are done and we are above waters with the recession. I spent 20 yrs in the Army and we do spend a ton of money unnecessarily and it is time to pump the brakes!!!!!! Go ahead and cut please!!!!! Save the Tax payers money and save Social Security and Medicare.

This sort of “we have to cut” thinking isn’t helping matters.

Free riders hurt the the real troops because they have to short cycle on deployments or pick up the slack from the free loaders in other ways. The PT standards are not that rough — even with pins and an artificial knee I could easily pass them. Even today when I go out and Pt with active duty guys 1/2 my age I out perform them, so saying we should be lax on older vets who cant perform any more is BS in my eyes.

KLB I think you need to get your facts straight. The IRS and US postal Service do not receive tax payers money to operate and pay their employees.

KLB you need to get your facts straight. The IRS and US Postal Service are not funded with tax-payers money. They are self-supported by the money they internally generate.

JRR — “IRS & US Postal Service do not receive tax payers money to operate & pay their employees?? LOL…you win the prize. You have defeated Bywrong and PukingDog01 as the most clueless “posters” on this page.

Why do cuts always start at the bottom? Why don’t we try something different this time? Start cutting at the very top, with the highest paid government workers who do the least, and then we could afford all the low ranking government workers who do the work. As far as the military goes, eliminate Stealth anything, cut high ranking officers and enlisted with over 25 years in, no new weapons programs, because it is apparent that what we have takes care of our enemies quite nicely, and for heavens sake, LEAVE THE VETERANS ALONE!!! They are the few, the proud, the ones who signed up in our all volunteer force, the ones who fought to give you people the chance to say what you are saying, and they deserve everything they are getting, if not MORE!!!

Let’s put it this way — my mother has not had a COLA increase on her social security in two years. I spent part of Independence Day weekend working through her budget with her, and seeing where she needed to economize and save to stay solvent. My mother is (still) relevatively self-sufficient and I would like to keep it that way. But screwing me over, or screwing my kids over does not help Mom either. So what are we talking about here. Like Mom, I know where I can tighten up and where I can’t. But nobody afford just being thrown out on the street with a 100% pay reduction. “Whiners,” indeed. People with military retirement benefits and an impregnably secure job have no right to talk trash here.

It does not have to be this hard. I listen to the news every day and just cringe. Military spending is not the problem. It has never been the problem. But you have people in charge now who never spent one day in uniform, who are not committed to who we are and what we are as a nation. I’m angry about, but can do nothing about the political games being played with people’s lives. Both foreign lives and domestic lives.

Admittedly, I don’t get around as much as I once did, but what I have seen in the past decade are active duty troops that are all in pretty awesome shape. Reservists — not so much. You can actually pick out reservists in an airport for their, ah, greater body mass. That said, not everyone is cut out to be an airborne ranger special forces army-of-one. Over the weekend, I had a chat with a guy who works at the Army’s personnel command, just moved to Fort Knox. Basically what the guy said is that if you are in an overage MOS, you’re screwed. No chance at reclassification or retraining. Oh, they’ll try to get people to quit voluntarily before they force people out — maybe even give ‘em a little money to help make that decision. But we have seen this play before and it is a huge loser when it comes to high skill positions. Of course, those high skill MOS’s are the “free loaders” that Boomer loathes so much. In the end, people get what they want — and what they deserve. I still remember all the supply sergeants that they tried to turn into tank commanders back in the 70s.…

its called the fcc out there in the northwest with the ait instructors who can help. Lets pick it up I say with geting her and him in the round box!

1968 AD outmanned civilian wokers,today take a VERY HARD look at who is filling the RANKS. They are called AMERICAN OUTSOURCED SOLDIERS. Start with Washingtons favorite boys “The Hallo Group” Out number enlisted AD,over paid, overfed,and answer to no one,especially US code of justice or HONOR Never was my husband barracked in a 5 star hotel,fed 16oz steaks am to pm, and he sure as he… didnt have a choice of 3 pools to float in after a hard day nor a sauna. My tax dollars paid my husbands paycheck for 24 yrs,15yrs later we are still waiting for the “gravy” Want to cut the budget? Lets go back to an American Military that can humblly look his neighbor in the eye with Honor and Pride deserved .

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