DoD: Not clear if crash involved opsec issues

DoD: Not clear if crash involved opsec issues

For a few weeks this spring, America was SEAL-crazy — everybody wanted a piece of the Special Warfare Development Group, aka DevGru, or “Seal Team Six,” as it’s colloquially known. After its special operators paid their legendary visit to Osama bin Laden, the public wanted to know everything about them: Who were these guys and how do they do what they do? Reporters in Washington and across the country responded to this demand with story after story about the raid and the SEALs, up to the point that then-Secretary Gates and Adm. Mullen pleaded with their own Building, and the rest of Washington, to stop giving out so much information. It might hurt future special operations, they warned.

Fast forward to this weekend, when an Army helicopter crashed in Afghanistan, killing all 38 people aboard, including 25 special operators. Might this spring’s coverage of DevGru have played a role in Saturday’s crash? Have the SEAL teams’ operational security been somehow compromised?  Buzz asked a top Pentagon spokesman, Marine Col. Dave Lapan, when he briefed reporters Monday morning. His answer was a qualified no, in part because it’s too soon to tell given the ongoing investigations, but he did caution all the reporters in the room to make sure they took the time to get it right:

“I would say that, for this incident in particular, I don’t want to make any linkages to previous operations,” Lapan said. “There have been leaks of information early on that resulted in a lot of reporting that was all over the place in terms of facts that turned out not to be accurate. So it’s never helpful when people get out in the immediate aftermath of an incident like this and start providing information that, one, can be inaccurate, and, two, can be speculative about what may or ma not have happened. And opsec is always a concern.”


Another reporter pressed him — the question wasn’t about bad reporting. It was about reporting that might be too good, that might have revealed some detail about U.S. special operations that bad guys could use.

Lapan responded: “I don’t know in this particular incident if any of that leaked information causes opsec concerns. I don’t know if any of it provides any information to the enemy. But a lot of it was inaccurate and speculative.”

Lapan pointed out that early reports over the weekend said the SEALs were shot down after they’d responded to a call for help from other special operators in a firefight with the Taliban — not on their way in, as actually happened. He cautioned that in war, first reports, whether they appear through official channels or in the press, are often subject to change.

If the Building did consider the aftermath of the bin Laden raid a mistake, don’t look for the same kind of detailed accounting of Saturday’s crash, at least not at first. DoD officials still are not officially releasing the identity of the unit that operated the CH-47 Chinook that crashed, although the incoming commander of Special Operations Command, Adm. William McRaven, mentioned in his change of command Monday that he was offering condolences to the aviators with the Army’s “10th Mountain Division.”

And DoD also announced Monday that the press will be excluded when the service members’ remains arrive at Dover Air Force Base, Del. An announcement from a Pentagon spokeswoman, Navy Capt. Jane Campbell, reinforced not only DoD’s clampdown on information, but the gruesome nature of the incident:

“Due to the catastrophic nature of the crash, the remains of our fallen servicemembers will be returned to the U.S. via Dover AFB in “unidentified” status, until they can be positively identified by the Armed Forces Mortuary Affairs Office at Dover.  Because the remains are unidentified at this point, next-of-kin are not in a position to grant approval for media access to the dignified transfer.  Therefore, in accordance with DoD policy, no media coverage of the arrival and dignified transfer is permitted.  Families will however, be given the opportunity to be present for the arrival.”

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dumb sheeples — no it’s not fishy. your conspiracy theory is ridiculous. these guys and their families do NOT want to be in the limelight so people like you and people like the westboro baptist church can satiate absurd demands for access. plus it is gruesome and socially disrespectful to demand “proof” that these individuals are deceased. the government (yeah i know you don’t trust them) has already said that these were NOT the special operators that took out bin laden. the new yorker article about the operation is in line with those details, as those guys came back to the states after that mission (oh wait but that must be another piece of the conspiracy puzzle).

coincidence is not correlation is not causation.

and if you’re calling it “‘unfortunate’”, you’re a dbag IF you are implying that this is in any way not “unfortunate”.

i have a few friends who just lost close friends in this; they are really torn up about it. the spooky government or whatever can’t fake that. please don’t even try to tell one of them that this is a conspiracy of some sort or whatever else you’re trying to say. that would be like the nfl deciding to blacklist its entire pro bowl lineup forever. you just don’t make sense.

I have over 20 pages of heaven-shouting inconsistencies about ALL OFFICIAL VERSIONS of that Abbottabad raid, and I collect constantly more contradictions and absurdities about it from discussion forums under mainstream news. I only regret that “D.o.D. Buzz“‘s sponsors (“one certain, institutional sponsor” above all) will never allow them to be published here…

Here, I’m clearly outnumbered.

Ok, “nope”, if you say so. Sorry to hear about “your friends’ friends”, too.

(How could I make such a big mistake?)

Sheepless — the reason there are so many different stories about the bin laden raid is because the white house made up so many different stories while everyone was trying to take credit. No body in washington was in charge of the raid, it was a black op period, the folks in DC were not even woken up until geronimo was announced then everyone scrambled to take credit. SEAL teams are bigger than most think, not arranged like other branches the team is 200 to 300 men, a platoon is 14 to 15, a boat team or fire team is 7.
These were not the same guys as on the bib laden raid, been said over and over, they were not set up or a bounty collected. This was an urgent mission to aid troops engaged and they volonteered and went to the fight in the first bird they could get, it was not std op — They deserve respect for their unselfishless act of thinking more of those they went to help instead of themselves.

I have a bad feeling that this incident was just a re-enactment of the same sort of “disasters” inflicted on the Russians during their Afghan escapade. For example, set up an ambush within an ambush. Hit a troop column or convoy, but get the “relief column” or helo insertion with an even bigger ambush. Perhaps RPGs on top of all of the ridgelines overlooking the only convenient LZ.

When the HIP (or Chinook) shows up with the rescue team, fire simultaneous RPGs from several different angles. If nothing else the air is full of RPG parts (they self destruct at 1000 m or so); no good for helo rotor blades, or you have several chances of getting a hard hit on structure. If the shaped charge penetrates fuel or ammo, or rips up a transmission or engine, or .… .. well, no good at all comes of a helo hit with an RPG warhead.

Conspiracy — NO! Just the sad results that sometimes come from combat operations. My sincere sympathies to all of those who lost friends and family in the crash.

This type of attack goes all the way back to NAM in reality, nothing new about it. The guys new the risk but it was worth it to aid the guys on the ground to them. They held true to thier beliefs and did the deed.

Most likely dont want or care to know what your comments were if they deemed being deleted by this site.

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Useful reading material before you make too many pronouncements.

The war is brutal,the battle field is bloody.Waging the war is not like playing Nintendo games.Whoever can put up the losses wins.

“paid their legendary visit to Osama bin Laden…”

Nice.

clearly you’re a bit paranoid, beyond cautious.

i’d think you already figured out how to hide your IP and stuff if you’re as intelligent as you seem to believe you are.

watch out or i’ll snatch you at night! just kidding. i’m a regular person, relax.

see boomer’s response. few people are read into these operations because there are always leaks. just follow petty congressmen and their staffers on a regular basis. go back to my comment about systems and people.

And like Vietnam, it seems we keep forgetting the lesson of defending air-cover. Of course I don’t really know what went on, but have to assume there were no attack helicopters covering this Chinook.

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