DoD: China’s rise continues. Now what?

DoD: China’s rise continues. Now what?

China has continued adding weapons, ships and aircraft to its growing military arsenal over the past year, DoD announced on Wednesday. To what end exactly, it didn’t say, nor did it answer other key questions about how the rise of China could play out in the 21st century.

China holds a substantial chunk of U.S. sovereign debt — how does its leadership view that reality in the context of its rise as a global military power? Deputy Secretary of Defense Bill Lynn said recently that DoD and other American entities have lost ‘terabytes’ of sensitive data to cyber-espionage, with China as a leading culprit. How much will China’s military modernization continue to depend on repurposing knowhow from the U.S. or elsewhere?  And just what are Beijing’s long term global ambitions?

Defense officials may know the answers to these and other questions, but they weren’t included in Wednesday’s annual report on Chinese military power. To be fair, DoD’s China report is packed with information and analysis, and reading it will make you an instant expert on the People’s Liberation Army’s forces, doctrines, and near-term aspirations. But it mostly adds to the posturing, confusion and conjecture about China, instead of cutting through it.


Congressional defense advocates will seize upon the information in the report as fresh evidence for why the U.S. should not reduce defense spending. Chinese commanders, for example, want to improve the survivability of their nuclear arsenal with mobile missiles — all the more reason, one could argue, for the U.S. Air Force to get its new long-range penetrating bomber. China’s first aircraft carrier, the Shi Lang, is doing its sea trials, and its navy may begin building an indigenously designed carrier this year that could sail by 2015. Maybe that means the U.S. Navy needs more fast attack submarines and new anti-ship missiles. The first flight of the J-20 shows that China wants its own fast, stealthy fifth-generation fighters. Maybe that confirms American pilots need the F-35, or even, as some die-hards sill hope, more F-22s.

But beyond the ping-pong match here, it’s difficult to get a complete picture of how China’s leaders want to use their growing arsenal — and the DoD report says as much: “China has made modest, but incremental, improvements in the transparency of its military and security affairs. However, there remains uncertainty about how China will use its growing capabilities.” A few things are clear, though: We know China wants the ability to keep American forces well away from its coastline, so it can act freely against Taiwan or elsewhere. We know it wants to be able to project power across the Western Pacific with aircraft carriers and other warships, which has prompted a naval arms race that many in Washington have missed while paying attention to the Middle East. And we know China has dipped its toe in American-style global engagements, including humanitarian and disaster relief missions and counter-piracy patrols.

So does that mean China wants to be the United States? Maybe eventually, but for the medium term it probably wants to be the United States of Asia — it wants exclusive control over its sphere of influence, over its energy supplies and over its neighbors. It wants to be a “great power;” and that’s the origins of the focus on its navy, the DoD report says: “Historically a continental power, China increasingly looks to the maritime domain as a source of economic prosperity and national security. China’s evolving ‘maritime consciousness,’ as reflected in senior-level rhetoric and resource allocation, has potentially far reaching consequences in the Asia Pacific region and beyond. Many PRC officials and citizens view maritime power as a prerequisite to becoming a ‘great power.’”

This reality means China and the U.S. will probably never be completely free from tension, but it does not mean they will necessarily have an armed conflict. Americans bristle at the notion that huge swaths of open ocean can be declared off limits, not only on principle, but for the practical reason that it hampers trade and air and maritime surveillance. And so long as the U.S. and China remain two of the world’s biggest cyber-antagonists, leaders on both sides may never actually trust each other.

DoD’s China report gives reasons to be hopeful, too: At least PLA leaders are willing to play ball and keep up a relationship with their American counterparts. Their official doctrine rules out a nuclear first strike, and includes general principles about using force only for defensive purposes — although they do say that an opponent’s provocation doesn’t have to be military to justify a military response. (A foreign violation of  “sovereignty and territorial integrity” can constitute an attack, and be met with a ‘first shot’ on the battlefield.) All this may seem like pretty thin gruel as an upside, but add the reality that the American and Chinese economies are so closely intertwined it might be mutually suicidal for them to fight. Then subtract the fact that people said that exact same thing about Europe before both world wars.

Ultimately, DoD’s China report raises almost as many questions for the United States as it does for China: The Obama administration has evidently decided it’s imprudent to sell Taiwan a batch of F-16 Cs and Ds, probably in part because it’s not worth angering Beijing at a time when America’s fiscal health is so weak. So when and where else does China get a veto over American policy? Will the United States persist with its support of Taiwan up to the brink of a shooting war — which could become a nuclear war — with its biggest creditor? It all underscores the dual reality that the 21st century  won’t only be defined by the rise of China, but by how the United States decides to respond.

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It is a crying shame when the United States is held hostage because its manufactured debt crisis is influenced by Chinese politicians. And yes, there will eventually be a war if the USA cannot bow to China and her whims because we owe so much money.….

in order to have a chance against China in 20 years our military budget and taxes to pay for it have to go up. And yes, we will have to build new nuclear weapons and missiles to have believable deterrence. Freedom is never free. Cut the miltary budget by a trillion dollars? Wake up, tea party doves!

keep borrowing money from your banker to against your banker. wow, that sounds logical to me. a very effective long term plan

“…And yes, there will eventually be a war…“
“in order to have a chance against China in 20 years…“
With that kind of attitude there will be a war. I do hope that the leaders of both nations are a bit more versatile in their views.
Maybe a second cold war, yes. But why an all-out war? It depends more on economical development. If the crisis/recession is over and all shares are going up, the debt will be less of a problem, and the focus will be shifted.

Of course it’s vague, it’s tough to be specific when you can’t be specific. It’s a lot easier to justify system after system when you don’t let yourself get pinned down on details.

There are certain realities that don’t change with their defense expenditures. They have a single coastline and their economic lifeblood moves though it. That coastline is an Achilles heel that is very easy for the US to exploit now and always will be. Their pending demographics issue is going to bite then much as our baby boomers are about to. Their bullying of other nations regionally will be a factor in their undoing in a conflict.

I don’t worry about being able to beat China now or in the future in a conflict. I worry about us so over spending to prepare to do so we bankrupt ourselves.

You’re right, there will be no all-out war with China just as there was none with the Soviets.. And it still continues to amaze me how even with her current military build-up, people generally do not recognize China’s many defensive / offensive holes, technological disadvantages and lack of operational experience. I am not a US citizen, but even I recognize the mountain China has to climb before representing a credible threat.

India and Russia have more to fear from China than the US. This is a crazy world, and we’ll see one day Russia asking for the help of US. Russian population is declining fast and they have border issues with the Chinese.
Lets see how it gets going. China before waisting its forces directly with the US, it will use N. Korea as a “indirect” battlefield so that the US gets over-stretched. Chinese are very smart and patient. They will only go over Taiwan when they are sure of victory. For that they will use Korea to drag the US into a land front where the could do much more damage.

a cold war with China may happen, and the US only can prevail which means preventing iit from becoming a hot not winnable nuclear war by building up its defenses including its nuclear arsenal. That is the great paradox of nuclear deterrence: if you don’t have it and dream of a nuclear weapon free world, there actually may be a hot war. We need to fund the military at 4% GDP at a minimum and remove all the non military items such as breast cancer research from the military budget. As the US economy is unlikely to grow over the next 15 years given the loss of 6 trillion dollars in consumer wealth thanks to the housing debacle and unemployment will not come down, we need to increase taxes in order to have a more balanced budget. That means higher taxes for the rich, but also increased Medicare or Social Security taxes.

Hey, remember when we won the Cold War with the former Soviet Union by building weapons more efficiently than they did using capitalist principles in our weapons procurement system? That all seems pretty damn funny now, doesn’t it?

Some folks need an awakening — While we never exchanged missiles or sent bombers to destroy Moscow overtly we were engaged with Rusia a lot closer to home. the ex KGB that formed the Russian Mafia and other orgs got their contacts from backing the cartels and guerilla forces throughout central and south America and we were definately engaged there and still engaged in parts today. China has now moved into a lot of these same scenarios in south/central America and world wide. Overtly maybe nothing will occur — Covertly all hell is already breaking loose other than the hacking and industrial spying. Dont put so much faith into what you read on the net or hear on the news. We are already engaged in war with China, US and China reps attend dinners together and make happy for the cammeras while operators fight it out around the world, just as we did for decades with russia. The military needs to stay strong, We need to fix the way we buy and maintain things to reduce cost and then lower the budget to that level, and it can be done.

One way to make that strategy a failure is to have an air campaign bombing the hell out of North Korea while hitting their ground forces concentrations with neutron bombs. Saving our own ground forces in reserve and at the ready if China is looking at invading Taiwan.

Keep running the scenarios of F-35Cs vs J20s and PAK FA’s (Sukhoi T-50s) and if the F-35s aren’t capable enough to win with minor losses and maintain air superiority then we need more F-22s updated with the newest avionics from F-35 technology. From what I have read some F-35 technology is more advanced than the F-22’s. So make a newer version of the F-22 that has all the F-35 technology that is more advanced than our current F-22A inventory.

with neutron bombs?!!! .… go tell that to south Korea… see a map please.

We won the Cold War by working with the Saudis to keep oil prices artificially low and preventing the Russians from turning a profit on their own oil.

That scenario skips a lot of reality. Like how many J20s or T50s can even get into the air when their runways have been pockmarked with TLAMs and have area denial mines scattered on their surface? How effective are they going to be when the fixed radar sites in the area have been obliterated by JASSMs? What’s good for the goose, much in the way the Rand study identified the vulnerability of our aerial tankers, what will the J20s and T50s do without AWACs support? In the case of China, why would I even move my short range tacair into range of anything of theirs when I can just lob TLAMs and JASSMs at their sea ports and devastate their petroleum industry? Then I could just sit back and let their economy implode.

Soviet military power, Elite Republican Guard, Iraqi WMD,… Why should anybody assume that this report is any more accurate than previous reports?

Sad day when Obama stabs our Taiwanese friends in the back!

I don’t worry either most of China’s “NEW” weapons are cheap copies of Russian or European planes. There tanks are junk and there guns are cheap plinkers. I wouldn’t worry about it. Fact is both countries needs each other economically and war would devastate both nations economies and but millions with out money and food. So don’t believe Def tech blog saying the sky is falling just yet.

Hit the North Korean Army in the North. Whats the radiation dissipation rate?

If the neuton bomb is used in the North’s territory only it would be highly effective and advantagous than using large numbers of U.S. ground troops that China would love to have already occupied when they attack Taiwan. See this quote:

“Because of its short-range destructiveness and the absence of long-range effect, the neutron bomb would be highly effective against tank and infantry formations on the battlefield but would not endanger cities or other population centers only a few miles away. ”

Source: http://​www​.nuclearfiles​.org/​m​e​n​u​/​k​e​y​-​i​s​s​u​e​s​/​n​u​cle…

Will we always have enough intel to strike first?

The whole population of Taiwan should form a citizens army and militia with every able body man and woman having their own infantry uniform, assualt rifle with ammunition, a few grenades, a handgun and be ready at a moments notice if the Chinese People Liberation Army tries to land troops on the island. They would have to fight more than 15 million fighters of this citizens army and militia.

Yeah, we owe it all to the Saudis rather than people like Kelly Johnson and Jack Northrop. Everyone knows that.

They didn’t bankrupt the Soviet Union. The Soviets couldn’t make a buck, period. Do you think it is just suddenly now the Russians have a profitable oil industry?

We sure as hell know where their oil refineries and tank farms are, that’s hardly a state secret. You can Google that. Hell there is a mapping program to show you where every fixed SAM site is in China. We know exactly where their air force bases are. That, and we certainly are never going to strike second or third with tacair, we never do. We learned the stupidity of flying manned platforms into un-molested IADs in Vietnam, we don’t fight like that anymore. Every single campaign in the last 40 years has kicked off with stand off munitions taking out fixed sites.

Now what? Easy — here’s a few suggestions:
1. Alter tax and trade policies to make it more profitible to manufacture goods in the US and NOT China.
2. Whenever China tries to dump products on the US to corner a certain markey, instantly impose tariffs on those products to protect American businesses and jobs.
3. Buy AMERICAN-MADE product whenever possible (Chinese only as a last resort). After American, then European, Canadian, etc.
4. Consider this: Whenever you buy a product “Made In China” you are helping the Chinese government build offensive weapons they might use against the United States.
5. Tell your representatives to CEASE and DESIST with the permitting the transfer of dual-use technologies and manufacturing techniques to China in return for short-term profits. Every time this is permitted we are helping the Chinese build better weapons.
6. Tell your friends and spread the word!

Obama stabbing them in the back? Incorrect. This is about the previous administration’s short-sighted spending spree that all but ruined the US economy and severely indebted the US to a communist dictatorship (after inheriting a comparitively sound economy and budget surplus that was being used to pay down the national debt). These deeply regretful policies have drastically limited the options the United States has, from a foreign affairs perspective — with the added bonus of compromising our national security (according to multiple years of NIE’s).

Really, nearly 3 years into his admin and there are people that still want to play the ‘blame W’ card? I am so tired of partisan stupidity from both sides I could eat my own vomit.

You realize of course Obama’s budget was $1.3 trillion of deficit spending for 2012? That certainly isn’t the former President Bush asking for that money. To say nothing of the ‘sound economy’ that Bush inherited was based on a housing/mortgage industry that had a bunch of ridiculous rule changes forced on it by the Clinton administration. That sound economy in 2001 was a myth, with a fairy tale triple A bond rating slapped on it by the same crooks in Standard & Poor’s and other bond companies that now want to get on some moral high horse and preach about what the government should be doing.

If there is anyone who thinks they can just place their faith in either party and it”’ all be ok they are a brain dead tool.

What no replies? Just thumbs down? How boring.

How can you continue to spout untruths like that when it has been proven over and over that the 2006 & 2007 were the lowest budgets in over 10 years, 2008 is when it went 5x higher than any previous budget and has grown worse each year. Obama has stopped trying to blame Bush even though he still blames others and takes no responsibility for his weak leadership skills,when wiil the rest of you catch on.

Hey, whatever you say, comrade.

Snappy retort, show cases your intelligence well.

We should do all we can to eliminate the China debt. We can start with higher taxes and adminstration fees for those business’ that choose to send jobs there.

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