AF: Raptors could resume flying ‘soon’

AF: Raptors could resume flying ‘soon’

Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz says he expects a report soon that will lay out the next steps for getting the F-22 Raptors back into regular service, Air Force Magazine reported Wednesday in its must-read Daily Report. Schwartz told air scribe John Tirpak that the report owed him by an Air Force Scientific Advisory Board task force will lay out a course of action for Air Combat Command and the rest of the service to resolve the problems with the fighters’ onboard oxygen generation systems. Defense News has reported the oxygen systems were causing pilots to breathe contaminated gasses and may have been slowly poisoning them.

But if that’s so — and Schwartz evidently didn’t say — he did rule out a connection between the Raptors’ current woes and the F-22 crash last year up in Alaska. So what did happen? We may know more soon about that too, Tirpak wrote: “A more thorough investigation of the crash site was possible during the recent summer months and yielded recovered hardware and computer memory that made a more comprehensive analysis possible. Completion of an accident investigation board report, long delayed due to difficulties in assessing the wreckage, is expected soon, Schwartz said.”

So — in true U.S. military fashion, stand by to stand by. Although these updates are the first forward progress after weeks of radio silence on the F-22 situation, they don’t necessarily mean it’ll be over soon. But Raptor squadrons are losing more of their edge with each day they can’t fly as normal, so the Air Force top leadership needs to get them back as close to normal operations as possible, even before determining a permanent fix. It’s possible we may see the Raptors restored to flight status with altitude or performance restrictions at first, as were in effect before the full grounding. Then, with pilots and crews able to get back to work and much of the scrutiny gone, the Air Force can set about actually repairing or replacing the fighters’ oxygen systems.


Air Force officials would probably say that this isn’t that big a deal: The F-22s were always available for highest priority missions (i.e. “Red Dawn II: This Time It’s China”) and when the birds based at Langley AFB, Va., had to escape Hurricane Irene, they did so without incident. But there’s no question it has been a black eye, beginning when Schwartz told the Senate Armed Services Committee in March that it was possible the F-22 could make its combat debut over Libya — and then it didn’t. In retrospect, not sending the fighters was a stroke of luck for the Air Force, because if they had been flying real missions when engineers discovered the oxygen system problems, it could have been at least embarrassing, and at worst, deadly.

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An F-22 crashed last year in Alaska shortly after its pilot radioed in. Now it has been announced that hypoxia was not a contributing factor. Perhaps disorientation? The aircraft appeared to go straight into the ground nose first. A very sad loss of life. From the very first day in naval flight training, I was told, “Flying is inherently dangerous!” That was 39 years ago. The saying is still true today. Let’s all say it together, Mr President, Senator, General, Admiral, war hawk, and peacenik, alike. Whether you send pilots to war or training missions at home, the Truism remains the same. So please don’t scrimp on design, schedule, training, or pay. Don’t blame the pilot for political decisions. Give him or her the best in order that they can be the best aviator in the world. That will give the enemies something to think about; it may prevent a conflict that we may never be aware of.

Having the best planes, it’s paramount. You might have fewer, but if they NEVER get shot down, and always exploit their pay load to full combat potential, then you have the best plane. Having the planes that always return from combat missions, to be used again and again and again, to full effect, is the ultimate goal of air superiority. Air superiority helps to win wars quickly and effectively, hands down! With the F-22 limping, and the F-35s fast becoming a debauchery, one has to wonder why the production of ultimate air fighter tech has been given over to corporations who put profits over national security and end up screwing things up in their constant efforts to please and attract more share holders. Funny thing, they aren’t going to notice their stock performance when they are hiding in their f**king bomb shelters wishing we had made planes as good as the T-50!

i wish more Americans thought like you

What is so good about the T50? Other than the ravings of a bunch of aeronautically uneducated fools?

Seriously, calling that thing a stealth fighter is really an insult to the term. It’s got stealth…from the front only.
Just look at the bottom of it! That’s a big radar reflecting ball of messed up.…and the nozzles? Shouldn’t be a problem to pick it up with the F22/35 combo…promising to seriously outnumber and outstealth the opponent.

Or do we all now believe the Rooskies, the most braggadocious people on the Planet since they have truly become a midrate power.

The T50 has stealth…if it’s flying straight into the radar. But that is exactly the problem, isn’t it? Why did they even bother?

Honestly, there is very little that you can tell about the T50 by looking at it, even with the most highly trained eyeball, particularly the degree and extent of its stealthiness. If you could, I suspect you could get very rich selling polar plots of RCS vs azimuth to the highest bidders.

On the other hand, the people that designed and built the plane have a long history of making seriously capable aircraft with outstanding aerodynamics, superior powerplants, leading edge radars, and superlative ejection seats. Sometimes their methods differ from ours but that is NOT always a slam against them! ;-) Bottom line: The apple rarely falls far from the tree.

Be careful about assuming that everyone is a bunch of fools, educated or otherwise.

NEVER and ALWAYS are very big words. Once upon a time the gallows joke in USAFE was that if the “big one” came about, every F-15 driver would be an ace on his first mission,. .. . just before the remaining five MiG-21s hosed down the now tooth-less Eagle with their 23mm cannon.

Those with a historical leaning would tell you with certainty that the Sherman tank was far inferior to the German Tiger of WWII fame. Those with a historical understanding would assert that the 50,000 Shermans actually fielded were totally superior to the 1000 or so Tigers that the Germans produced. The same could be said for the P-51/P-47/Spitfire/Tempest foursome vs the ME-262. Its a matter of balance between quality and quantity. You must have both!

An advanced weapons system serves 2 distinct purposes;primary of course is its operational capability and secondly its deterrent capability. The first is discussed and exercised frequently including in actual combat, but our deterrence capabilities are probably more addressed by our adversaries than our own force structure planners. The greatest deterrent is technology that your enemy is unable to plan defenses for. Nuclear and stealth technologies fill that role. Nuclear weapons are presently only political weapons, but stealth technology as incorporated in the B-2 bomber and F-22 fighters are viable in current combat operational planning. Unfortunately we don’t have enough F-22s to cover an anticipated large area of combat responsibility and with the F-22s grounded, the F-35 program slipping and the lack of comprehension of the importance of establishing air superiority in a conflict by former Sec. of Defense Robert Gates we are placed in a period of high vulnerability . Gates publicly claimed that the need for air superiority was an outmoded concept since we hadn’t needed it in operation “Iraqi Freedom” and Afghanistan What he failed to realize was that we had firmly established air superiority in the first Gulf War to the extent that Sadaam Hussein never even attempted to deploy his fighters in the second. The Soviet Union had stripped the Afghans of any air superiority capability in their invasion in the 1980s. We are currently dependent upon the 30 year old F-15Cs for most of our air defense/air superiority capability. While the Eagle has been radically upgraded with the “Golden Eagle” program modifications since I flew it, it still lacks stealth capability and is becoming increasingly difficult and expensive to maintain. We can only hope that the rhetoric about severe proposed budget cuts for defense are more rationale than the examples of planning that we’ve seen recently.

You bring up a good point by comparing the F-22 to the Tiger II. They’re both awesome weapons that have the ability to change the course of any battle they engage in. But due to their cost and lack of quantity, the Tiger II’s deployment was severely restricted, which in turn limited their usefullness. It appears that the F-22 may be filling the same role, we didn’t originally deploy them to Lybia because they were too expensive and limited in quanitity to justify their use in an insignificant battle.

The tank designers even had a much superior tank than the Sherman available, but… they were popping out Shermans like Carter makes liver pills, had the logistics system in place to get them to Europe and support them in theater. So… the decision was made to hold the production of the follow-on and drown the Tigers with Shermans! History says that the choice was sound.

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