America’s hidden industrial ‘surge’ weakness

America’s hidden industrial ‘surge’ weakness

Wednesday’s brief by two of DC’s top defense analysts included another interesting element besides their endorsement of an “industrial strategy” to protect the defense sector: If the U.S. got into a desperate national pinch and needed to “surge” its stocks of weapons or equipment, it probably could not do it, they said.

Barry Watts and Todd Harrison, of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, explained that there are many reasons why the U.S. could not switch on a major industrial effort like the one that built the “arsenal of democracy” in World War II:

• You can’t just simply retool a factory to build today’s high-tech warplanes, the way Ford once had its Willow Run, Mich., auto plant building a B-24 every hour. The U.S. doesn’t even have manufacturing plants of the comparative number and quality it did back then, or the workers to run them.


• In the early days of the Cold War, Watts and Harrison said, U.S. planners were worried about a full nuclear exchange with the Soviets, which might’ve entailed the wholesale destruction of the United States. In that context, leaders reasoned, why spend the money on all the extra factories needed to sustain an ongoing World War II-style conventional war? That sort of war wasn’t going to happen, or if it did, it would only last a few days or weeks before it escalated into a nuclear war … in which case, all your extra industrial capacity wouldn’t do you any good.

• In each of their post-Cold War conflicts, American forces have inflicted punishing, highly disproportionate losses on their enemies. In the Balkans and then both Iraq wars, the U.S. lost only a handful of aircraft and vehicles — in the case of Iraq, many of those losses were friendly fire. So the Pentagon has learned to plan that it will not need to replace heavy combat losses. Plus, one of the top incentives for today’s Pentagon managers is to keep costs down, so they deliberately do not build extra units into their plans as they try to stick to their budgets.

All this doesn’t just affect big-ticket items such as ships and fighter jets, Watts and Harrison said. They revived the long-standing worry about today’s forces’ reliance on precision guided munitions. Cruise missiles and precision-guided bombs have changed war, but the Pentagon does not maintain large stockpiles of them. In the event of a major conflict, analysts worry the Navy and Air Force could expend most or even all of their weapons in the opening days and then lose their initiative. Harrison said the Navy fired about 200 Tomahawk cruise missiles in the early days of the Libya intervention, which he said was about the same number the Pentagon buys in a year. Not only that, Navy warships’ Vertical Launch System tubes can’t be reloaded at sea, so if your cruiser fires all its weapons, it’s out of action until it can swing by a friendly port.

Oh piffle, you say — the asymmetrical, game-changing advantages of America’s high-tech weapons mean there won’t be any long wars in the future. The good guys will just win the day quickly. And if there are prolonged conflicts, our super-jets and such can handle it, right? Well, maybe. But here’s a chilling passage from Watts’ and Harrison’s report that’s worth excerpting in full that shows even when you have a qualitative advantage, the player with the quantitative advantage still may win the game:

The United States lacks overseas facilities for repairing damage to major combat systems. And should significant attrition occur, the United States has little or no capacity to quickly replace such high-end assets as F-22s or aircraft carriers. In this regard, consider RAND’s 2008 analysis of a Taiwan Strait scenario in which the entire F-22 force operated from Guam in order to base outside the reach of Chinese ballistic missiles. Heavy F-22 attrition occurred due to the roughly nine-to-one numerical advantage Chinese Su-27 and Su-30 Flankers enjoyed over the Taiwan Strait operating from their nearby airfields.

Even though the analysis assumed that F-22s would be able to shoot down large numbers of opposing Chinese Flankers without losses even when heavily outnumbered, by the time the F-22s ran out of missiles and fuel there were enough unengaged Flankers still in the air over the strait to begin attacking U.S. air refueling tankers and E-8 Airborne Warning and Control System aircraft. As a result, F-22s were lost not to enemy fighters but to fuel exhaustion because they were unable to rendezvous with tankers and get the fuel to make it back to Guam.

This scenario would likely produce a lot of grave nods from Air Force and Lockheed advocates who opposed truncating production of the F-22. Watts and Harrison did not take a position on that issue, but their analysis does raise the question about whether America’s arsenal is as ready for anything as we tend to think it is.

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The munition surge capability is the most immediate capability that concerns me. If the balloon went up with China in a fairly large way, how many multi-million dollar stealth aircraft would be stuck dropping dumb bombs?

Damn.…what about the other ?!!! ..do you think other countries have stock that could close to the US one?!!
France and the UK did not have .…the whole europe does not have …China does not have …Russia does not have it.
The US have by far the big stock.
Thas looks like a desesperate measure to avoid cutting in the tit that contractors use to suck. Go cry loud to Iraq…

If there is a major conflict like the WWII .… the US is the safest place on earth!! .… point…period next!

The military industry has to Stop crying for : “do not cut my share”; and behave like real men!!
if poor and elder people have cuts in their pensions the US army needs to do better with less money. Contractors are made by “chickens”!

Poor families across the US do not have senators to protect them in washignton.. Only big contractors do!

This is all based on the presumption we get into some head to head slug fest as a response to a Taiwan scenario. It’s all true if you accept that as the sole way to wage a campaign against China, however I don’t think that is a particularly smart way to counter China. China’s logistical capacity wage war is very vulnerable. They have a single coastline and the US’ ability to strike up and down the length of it from range is something they can’t counter. We don’t need tens of thousands of weapons or hundreds of fighters to decimate their critical infrastructure up and down that coastline. A few hundred well placed JASSMs and TLAMs would decimate their refineries, crude oil load terminals, critical transport infrastructure, and commercial ship yards. Taking all that out slits the throat of China’s economy, to say nothing of eliminating any capacity to wage expeditionary warfare. So if you accept this Xbox scenario match up we would have an issue. If we employ a real strategy though it isn’t that big a concern.

ICAF report from 2002 (http://​dodreports​.com/​p​d​f​/​a​d​a​4​2​5​3​2​9​.​pdf) concluded:
“In the final analysis, the U.S. munitions industry is capable of meeting near-term, high
quality munitions needs, but there is good reason to be concerned about the future.
Without changes in our overall munitions policies, there will continue to be a substantial
lack of surge capacity, especially for low volume, high technology munitions. The
unstable, feast or famine natures of munitions procurements will likely drive second and
third tier suppliers into even smaller and more specialized niches. The large systems
integration companies will likely continue to experience supply-driven problems meeting
requirements for high technology weapons, such as the requirement to surge JDAM
production in 2002. … The munitions industry, unarguably producing the most critical war
fighting commodity, is key to DoD’s transformation and the long-term security of the
U.S.“
It isn’t clear if any of the ICAF recommendations were adopted.

Really? A “few hundred” well placed JASSMs and TLAMs will do all that? Do you honestly believe that China can be brought down that easily?

Couple of points:
1) China has built refineries in the last 30 years, the US hasn’t. China can repair their refineries far faster than the US. The same goes for: infrastructure, ship yards, crude load terminals. If there is one thing China can do, it can built that sort of equipment.
2) The US tried this before, against Vietnam, Nazi Germany, strategic infrastructure campaigns have historically been less than immediately successful. There is no reason to expect that in this case they’ll work any faster.
3) China has a far more advanced SAM network than the US, they’ll be in a better position to stop / minimize this sort of attack.

The net result is simple: China shoulddo this against the US, if they get a couple of cruise missiles into range of the West Coast, the US will be in lots of trouble. The opposite doesn’t go for China. It’ll take far more then a couple of hundred of missiles to have an impressive effect on the Chinese.

Face it: there is no such thing as a super power war on the Cheap. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. Either you position the US to contend with China or you cede Asia and probably Africa to them.

War with China is nonsensical. They don’t want it. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be so concerned about the failing US economy.… considering a third of the Chinese economy is invested into the US. If the US falls, China soon follows. Likewise, if China falls, the US will soon follow.

It’s not just a symbiotic relationship, it’s a symbiotic dependency.

Just for the record, I don’t believe I’ve ever said “oh piffle.”

in 5 years we will not be able to win against China in a conventional war. If we were to reinvigorate nuclear weapons development and production which could happen under a Republican President a conventional attack on the US would appear to risky however. The problem is we are losing our nuclear weapons scientists with this Obama freeze on nuclear weapons development whereas China is greatly expanding its nuclear arsenal in underground facilities, see recent DOD report. We are in trouble. We should invest 500 billion dollars in our National Security infrastructure, not to hire teachers.

I understand the reasoning for *basing* out of Guam, but did the 2008 RAND study assume the F-22s would ditch on the way back to Guam instead of diverting to secondary airfields for a fuel stop? That seems unrealistic. Manila-to-Taipei and Fukuoka-to-Taipei are both half the distance as Guam-to-Taipei, and Okinawa-to-Taipei is half the distance from Manila-to-Taipei.

Arkady — Agree and while we are slashing the Chinese coast the Chinese are landing and taking Taiwan (or can we stop a Chinese invasion AND attack coastal targets simultaneously?). Once Taiwan’s ports are in Chinese hands there will be VERY little we’ll be able to do to the Chinese Army on Taiwan.

Arkady Para.1: Apparently you did not read about the 10-day traffic jam. Picture a few well-placed bombs on expressways and commuter rail lines.
1) And thereafter lack most of their biggest customers to sell their goods to…and you assume they get their oil successfully through the Straits of Mallaca
2) And drove the Vietnamese to the Peace Table and could have stopped the ’75 invasion cold were it not for a law prohibiting it. Precision bombs and true stealth aircraft/cruise missiles did not exist against Nazi Germany
3) Balderdash says the Standard Missile, THAAD, and Patriot
We have more than adequate programmed air/seapower. Yet some would hand multiple combat tour Soldiers/Marines their walking papers just so AirSea Battle can be financed. China’s threat is a mirage due to economic interdependence and MAD. China could not sustain their forces on Taiwan even if they got some there. Then they would face their own insurgency.

Did you read the article? The US lacks the capability to mass product the aforementioned SM, THAAD, and Patriot. And, do you really want to use a $1 mil + missile to stop Chinese cruise missiles (which probably cost ~500k)? Remember, the PAC-3 costs, I believe, about $3 million each.

The US hasn’t deployed its SAMs into an intelligent network to defend key installations, China has. Until the US finds a way to defend its installations in a money effective manner (to allow rapid expansion), I’ll give this one to the Chinese.

Next, the 100 day traffic jam; that was in peace time, I bet you the Chinese will be far less “forgiving” about such incidents during a war. And, by the way, that traffic jam was between Beijing and Mongolia, IIRC, we’re talking about a war on the much more heavily industrialized sea coast.

Finally, the track record of sustained economic attack against fully industrialized, mark you fully industrialized nations, is rather poor. It didn’t work against Germany in WW1, where the German economy was much more heavily dependent on trade than in WW2. It didn’t’ work in WW2, where the US could bomb anything it wanted. And Vietnam is in no way comparable to China. For one, the US will not have air supremacy over China’s industrial centers.

Guess you failed to address that China is a one-trick 1000-TBM pony…with little reason to exercise those ponies and we have ample lassos to stop many. Do you pull a gun on your best customer? Once those thousand (and best customers) are gone, their Air Force and Navy is weak at best and even a few hundred eventual J-20 and a quickly sunk carrier won’t defeat 187 F-22s AND thousands of F-35s flown from land and sea by COMBAT-TESTED PILOTS.

You know combat experience…that thing Vietnam had in spades and China has none. What happens when some of those 1000 TBM attack Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Singapore, Phippipines, and Vietnam. More customers gone, more U.S. war allies created.

You cannot compare dumb bombs from non-survivable aircraft to smart bombs on true stealth manned and unmanned aircraft good for more than one “sortie.” Time is on our side in any unimaginable war with China. We have ample ways to attack them and they few means to strike us short of nukes.

You clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Even ‘medium sized’ conflicts have taxed & stretched the US military & they occured back when the US had a SIGNIFICANTLY larger military than it does today.

The US military has been UNDERFUNDED for two decades. Our service men & women are operating equipment that is older than they are!

Senators & Representatives tend to more often than not do the opposite of protect anyone/everyone other than themselves and their fellow Senators & Representatives…

To the presumption, the REAL possibility. And NOT just a Taiwan sceneario.

You have no clue what you are talking about. We used 200+ Tomahawks JUST SUPPORTING the NATO operations in Libya & you think you are going ‘hurt’ China with less than 10x that. Wake up!

The Rand study assumed any/all airfields in Korea, Japan & Taiwan capable of supprting the conflict would be overwhelmed if not nuked.

Yea we need to waste even more money because WW2 might happen again. What a joke. These sort of statements should be widely disseminated so that ordinary Americans know what a bunch of scared little girls are running the think tanks.

Show me the numbers:
current stock
production capacity
logistics

US versus all other top 10!

then lets talk straight!

right between the eyes.

hmmm, “time is on our side” ??
Where are the “thousands of F-35s” and I do hope the F-22 will keep their pilots safe with enough oxygen.….….…

O, by the way. Did you miss this point:
“by the time the F-22s ran out of missiles and fuel there were enough unengaged Flankers still in the air over the strait to begin attacking U.S. air refueling tankers and E-8 Airborne Warning and Control System aircraft. As a result, F-22s were lost not to enemy fighters but to fuel exhaustion because they were unable to rendezvous with tankers and get the fuel to make it back to Guam.“
Your arguments sound a bit hollow.

China is an oil junky. I said several hundred well placed ones. The ones we used in Libya were to allow the no fly zone, had those same 200 targeted Libya’s oil refineries and oil terminals along the coast their economy would be decimated. Same holds true for China. We weren’t trying to bring Libya to its knees. Completely separate goal, you should try applying some critical thinking skills more and inflammatory infantile language less.

I say again, China is extremely vulnerable. You guys always engage in these endless debates of system versus system scenarios without thought one placed to how you actually win a war against a strategic peer adversary.

Allow me to to educate you all to some non defense facts. China this past spring had to order all public and private refineries to 100% capacity to meet the surge in spring time demand brought on by agriculture. Their inflation is just over 6% and it is largely driven by food prices. Seeing the link here? Allow me to expand, the average Chinese citizen spends over one third of their monthly income on food. Sinking in now as to how tenuous their economy is? You hit their refining capacity, you spike the driver of inflation, the driver of inflation is food, something people need to live. Get it? It’s called strategy, not a level of an Xbox game.

No one builds refineries fast, not even the Chinese. You don’t cause massive disruptions to the refining capacity of a nation and replace it quickly. Refineries don’t play well with sub-munition dispensers and they aren’t hard to hit, so you don’t need but one or two stand off weapons to make a pile of slag. Also regardless of SAMs, cruise missiles and JASSMs are not easy to see or hit, and you don’t need many to hit to cause massive damage to site I mentioned.

The Chinese do have SAMs, about 6600ish, but that is spread out across their entire nation. The ports of Dalian and Ningbo are just two ports but the represent about 25% of the daily crude oil import locations for China. You don’t rebuild crude oil terminals quickly either, no one does, not even the Chinese. You hammer those port facilities and oil terminals, and refineries, and you strike a unrecoverable blow to the Chinese industrial machine. Their economy is export driven, you shut down those ports, and you shut down their economy. I won’t have to retake Taiwan, the Chinese their won’t be able to be resupplied, the Taiwanese will take their country back.

Will the U.S. Navy even have time and assets to attack any economical targets in China?

Think anti-carrier missiles.

We have already seen the issues with modern “wars”. When Clinton went on a cruise missile campaign against Bin Laden and his crew, he launched hundreds. Then Raytheon had to turn down a “blank check” request for urgent replenishment since the Raytheon and Hughes assembly lines had been consolidated in Tucson. At the end of Desert Storm, as abbreviated as it was, the USN and Marine Corps were essentially OUT (at least in theater) of even the old Mk-84 bomb bodies used for smart (and dumb) bombs! In today’s high intensity wars, the rates of expenditure on critical items (such as laser seeker heads, JDAM guidance packages, etc) are huge, and the stockpiles dwindle quickly. With the miniscule production rates required by our “peacetime” military and an unwillingness/inability to invest in production capacity, surge production rates are a figment of some poor delusional imagination.

You know so much, YOU show US the numbers…

This has been a pretty clear cut reality for a couple decades.

Reinvigorating infrastructure is a waste of money? It was a general statement and a true one… we don’t have the manufacturing capability we did then and in the event we’re backed into a corner, a plausible scenario, we’re pretty much screwed.

Time is on our side because by the time China has a successful military (and I’m still searching for a viable motive), they will be severely skewed with too many old and too few young to man that military and operate their economy. By then, we will have thousands of F-35s, EA-18G, UCLASS, and JASSM-ER/MALD.…all currently programmed without spending more on multi-system costly stealth bombers/ISR platforms or the need for even current levels of Navy and USAF force structure.

I didn’t miss that quote and studied that Rand effort extensively back then. Oddly can’t find it now on their site under 2008 studies. IMHO, it had numerous flawed assumptions in loss-exchange considering the large number of old aircraft faced, made huges leaps about their old bomber capabilities, assumed too few F-22s on station, non-existent F-35s, and poor consideration of SM and Patriot capabilities. There are other places to land besides Guam. Didn’t I just see some new agreement about Australia and Singapore, and new ties with the Phillippines. Look out Straits of Mallacca.

But its moot because it would be crazy for them to start war with their biggest customers to begin with.

“Our service men & women are operating equipment that is older than they are!”

This is just a joke, what do we have babies in the army now ?

Grow some balls. We spend more then the next ten largest countries combined and have a huge nuclear arsenal but you are still cowering in the dark.

itfunk, your reasoning failed those who followed it in the late 1920s and early 1930s who kept telling each other that the Great War rendered another world war impossible.…

The best way to guarantee that war will happen is for this nation to become weak.
It is only our military strength that will deter our enemies.

A nonymous, they may be able to refuel, but they will be flying with empty magazines and hard points…

You know, itfunk, I think that you have a future.… or a past, in politics! Were you by some strange circumstance in a position of power in the Roman Senate circa 409 AD? :-)

Actually its a very sad possibility.… .… . .

Move_Forward, I suspect that your access to the RAND database is, like mine, currently limited to the public domain, unclassified reports, which of course are the only ones we would discuss here.

I would ask that you be just a bit less certain of your final premise. Consider the balance of trade in 1938 between the US and Japan in particular. Also you cite the Malaca Straights as being a choke point where we could strangle the Chinese. If you look back in history again, the rapidly growing Japanese economy in 1938 saw the Allies sitting astride its jugular to the Java oilfields. Instead of a cowering and kowtowing Japan, we got Pearl Harbor. When it came down to the cut bait or fish point, the old USSR cut bait. China is a nation that appreciates history. When Japan lost its oil the end was near. When the USSR folded its hand, the end was there!

Soooo… can China long afford to allow even a perceived chokehold on the Malaca Straights? :-)

And there is of course the possibility that the soverign governments of Korea and Japan COULD be coerced to prohibit combat ops. Guam is good to go so long as there is still an island and runways there.

But… now that I mention it, as noisy as some say they might be, a Chinese submarine fleet intent to the death on getting a few “first strike” cruise missile or SLBM hits on the runways at Guam might go a long way to shutting down that option as well.

Even today, NOBODY would win a nuclear exchange with China. At best we can assure that the Chinese nation suffers at least as many casualties as we might, and offer that as deturrence. Of course that is applying our own “weight” to the cost of human casualties and destroyed infrastructure. I suspect that we put a higher value on continued access to the necessities; for example, our morning Starbucks; than the average Chinese. Could be wrong, but just saying.… .…

Where or where is the logic and/or truth in any of this. The US drives the great inventions of the world it seems, like super computers, fantastic weapons, and iphones. Our economy drives the wealth of the Chinese economy which builds the stuff we demand. The factories we closed here were replaced by ones in China and India. The engineers that were laid off over the years were sacrificed to the DoD’s demand to consolidate the aerospace industries. The guy who designed the tailhooks for the F-22 and F-35 did the same work for the F-18 and F-15. We became one deep in many engineering specialties. That’s why companies had to team up for each new project. If the WalMart children were ever to go back to US made products only as their dad Sam advocated, there would be very little unemployment in this country. Fat Chance! More realistic thinking in DoD and Congress? Fat Chance!

I don’t see anybody including our attack subs into account in these Taiwan Straight scenarios. While it’s true the straight itself could be mined enough to keep us out of it, but a handful of 688-i and virginia class subs with a SSGN or 2 could effectively shut down China’s coastline to anything larger than a fishing boat.

dream on. China will out weigh us by a multple with armies of engineers and production facilities while we are deconstructing our defense industrial base and encourage our kids to become nurses, teachers and lawyers, but not engineers. Thanks a lot, left wing America.

They only need to grab enough fuel to get back to Guam, where they can rearm and refuel.

Why would the US fail if China failed? They export to us, not so much of the vice versa.

Think, they don’t work yet, haven’t been succesfully tested. Are all the peices in place? And for some reason everyone ignores the SM-3 when we talk about that missile. It was designed for Medium range missiles exactly what the df series is.

How can you have a nuclear scientist with no school teachers genious? Should they teach themselves? The key to the future is training our future generations. If our kids are incapable of doing anything then we will be in big trouble.

This “guns or butter” argument is old and boring. Here’s the thing that’s new. If you zeroed the budget for the DOD (not zero the increase in the budget, zero all $500 odd billion a year) the USA would still need to borrow money to pay for the rest of government largesse. Yes we need to borrow money (or create credit if you prefer) for the poor and downtrodden, the oppressed senior citizens, disaster victims, and the dedicated government agency workers that protect us from harm…well you get the idea. It is not a matter of shifting priorities to fix a few billion shortfall here or there. There is no way out because the economy refuses to grow, and government can not stop spending. Consequently, there is going to be slash and burn of guns and butter. That should please you.

Just for variety, add the M-113 (IOC Apr 1963), the USS Enterprise (Comm. Nov 61), and the M-16 (1963) , but the BUFF (first flight Apr 1952) is probably the poster boy! Based on his comments, and having listened to my own adolescent son’s comments a few years back, I have to wonder if itfunk’s dad was even in zip up pants when the B-52 first flew!

The way I see it, a current BUFF crewman’s GRANDFATHER could have easily have been the youngest crewman on the “first flight”!

Its a case of whats more important, having a weapon or making sure you have the weapon the next day.

I tend to think in the conventional war scenario we’d be much like Germany in WWII, initial technological edge… but we’d lose our planes and air superiority to volume and be forced into a defensive attrition based war. The US has to decide how to fight attrition.

Equipment such as the Abrams tank, they are thirty yrs old… I would think the ave. Age of our combined forces is around 25… If not younger , so yes our equipment is older then our guys operating them.

well, it would be nice if students would be encouraged to go into engineering or if the President would push a jobs bill, so that we can hire a lot of unemployed engineers. The balance is missing.

So will Taiwan be paying us to build all these additional munitions factories that we will need in order to protect them from mainland aggression?

By contrast how much will we need in order to only protect the United States from invasion? And while we are on the topic just how all encompassing is the term “common” in the phrase “provide for the common defense”?

Think SSGN. So, yes.

Er, so they’re going to nuke our airfields and we’re going to respond by having F-22 fly around and make bird noises? I don’t think so.

Well, I was sort of assuming something short of a nuke, but.… … if they bring out the “big boppers”, even for a little place like Guam, I think that the USN’s SSBNs would at least have an opportunty to return the favor.

As for bird noises… nah, dont think so! Quack-quack!

Sino-American symbiotic dependency: Junkie (i.e. USA, aka the consumer) vs. drug dealer (i.e. Red China, aka the supplier). Now you tell me who has more leverage.

You omit the fact that Japan was already bullying China when we imposed an oil embargo on Japan to stop 80% of its oil supplies from the U.S. There is no similar current or projected Chinese aggression anywhere in the world.

If you google, “Air Combat Past, Present and Future” you can see the slide presentation outlining some of the unclassified RAND study assumptions. How about it taking 15 hours before just 6 F-22s could no longer protect 6 tankers, 2 AWACS, 4 P-3, and 2 Global Hawk with no aerial F-22 losses and 48 downed Flankers. They had the U.S. stupidly losing vast fighter quantities on the ground assuming that we could not detect a build-up for 1300 “surprise” PLA jet sorties and countless missile strikes.

Then there is no mention of thousands of other U.S. aircraft and other capabilities that would reinforce/revenge the early assumed losses. I saw no F-35 air-to-air participation or AEGIS and Taiwan Patriot/F-16 contribution.

How many goods in US stores have the “Made in China” label on them? How many sub-components of both consumer and industrial equipment, electronics, automotive, etc. have “Made in China” on them? Our shrinking industrial base is dependent on China’s cheap goods and labor. Even a Ford car assembled in Mexico is put together with a large amount Chinese-made components, materials, tooling, or equipment.

What would happen with China’s $1.046 TRILLION that China has invested into US securities? China could seriously screw us (and by extension themselves) by deciding to cash out.… that’s money we don’t have on hand.

Mostly themselves. Dumping the dollars forces a couple things. One it drives down the value of the dollars and thereby increases the cost effectiveness of US exports. That scenario plays out to every other nation around the world as well, so many would start buying up US dollars or see their international competitiveness gutted. In addition China is still stuck with where to put it’s cash reserves, it choices are crummy and crummier. It could put them into yuan but since that doesn’t float internationally and they’ve pegged it artificially low they would be essentially burning their own money. The could float it but that would cause the value of the yuan to skyrocket and exacerbate their export profitability. They could go for Euros but there is a question at the moment whether the Euro is even going to survive.

I never said that the end result to the world economy would be anything but a catastrophe, but that isn’t the point of this piece. The point of the piece is that we don’t have an industrial capacity to crank out PGMs, my point is that I don’t think it would be necessary if we wage a proper campaign.

But to leverage a strategy for acquisitions of arms against China right now is a moot point. We’d be better off basing a strategy against rising competitors that can actually be a threat. As implied before, war with China would likely be mutual suicide. Iran and Venezuela offer more credible threats of open conflict, they just aren’t as glamorous targets in the public eye.

Lots of things have happened since 1932 perhaps you need to read up.

No it is a sad truth. The VAST majority of the military equipment we operate today (land sea & air) was procured prior to 1990.

No, even a Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War 1991 sized conflict would require munitions expenditures greater than current stockpiles AND the mobilization of too large a portion of our current force structure.

I’m 81, and after WW1 my father said about the war “Thank God that will never happen again”.

My god. An article that finally gets it right. Oh, and replacement of F-22s lost or ramping up numbers? Can’t happen without a production line even with all the time in the world. Too many in power just don’t understand that today’s wars are “come as you are” and happen VERY quickly compared to times past. (And please, all imbecils who want to peddle the “how many years have we been in Iraq” just save us all a bunch of time and yourself some embarassment and STFU.)

I hate to sound like one of those “bleeding heart liberals” but could I possibly mention Tibet as being similar to Manchukuo? And a 1300 plane attack with a few missiles behind it sounds pretty interesting but perhaps not that necesary. Pearl Harbor was pulled off with four CVs, about 250 attackers (1/3 of which were Zeros for air cover) and it did shut down what many thought was the mailed fist of the US Pacific Battle Line. If that 1300 plane strike was real, and we inflicted 75% attrition, there would still be more leakers than the Pearl Harbor strike, and NONE of the Kates or Vals had any precision guided weapons at all. We got our “revenge” for Pearl Harbor too, but it took a while, lots of lives and a totally dedicated economy where we were producing more ships, planes and tanks than a stray dog has fleas.

There is far more in parallel between todays China and the Japan of 1938 than you give credit, and we do NOT have the economic resilience and production capacity of the US that got sucker punched on December 7th, 1941. Furthermore, on a military, industrial, and economic front, China has far more “chips” to play with than Togo’s Japan had in its day.

But if we apply the “war by another means” theory that many see in Reagan’s victory in the Cold War (where he “nuked” the USSR and Warsaw Pact with dollars!), are we the perpetrator of that “proper campaign” or the victim?

Vulnerability, perceived or actual, can cause a nation to either shrink from confrontation (think of Neville Chamberlain) or strike out at the cause (think Togo’s Japan). Which do you REALLY think is the situation for China? (Lets see, they are actively engaging in worldwide industrial and political espionage, practicing global “diplomacy”( see what happened in Jamaica?), fielding new generation fighters, re-tooling their army, stepping up to carrier aviation and a blue water Navy, and Taiwan is sitting across the straits looking a lot like a far eastern Sudetenland.… Does that sound like “Peace in our time” to you?)

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