Report: US should place its bets on Navy, Air Force

Report: US should place its bets on Navy, Air Force

And now, music to the ears of the light and navy blue services: The U.S. should take a strategic risk and put its chips on naval and air power in the 21st century, according to a new report by a top D.C. think-tank. It should make the the assumption that the Western Pacific and the Middle East, in that order, will be the two key regions of the future, which means ships and aircraft should get an edge over ground forces, the authors say.

Retired Lt. Gen. David Barno, Nora Bensahel and Travis Sharp of the Center for a New American Security argue in their study that the Western Pacific and Indian Oceans will be the keystone of the coming era, and that the U.S. should equip itself accordingly. Now the tricky part: Sharp said in a panel discussion at CNAS on Friday that this would require breaking the “golden ratio” of funding the services about equally, but said he held no illusions about that being easy.

“Implementing this prioritization will be very difficult for several reasons,” he said. The U.S. is coming out of a long ground war in which its ground forces have sacrificed a lot, so it would be “immoral” to completely ignore their sacrifice and abandon the Army and Marines’ needs to update and “reset.” Bensahel observed that unlike previous build-downs, the Army and Marines might not begin to absorb reductions with their equipment in good order.


Not only that, naval and air forces are “capital intensive and very expensive;” there’s a lack of consensus about which specific nations or regions represent the greatest threat; and the American public believes the Army and Marine Corps are the most important of the armed services, Sharp said.

“All of those factors will make the golden ratio very difficult to break, but it’s our assessment that we must do so.”

And how! In addition to cutting many thousands of soldiers and Marines, the CNAS report calls for canceling or delaying the Army’s Joint Light Tactical Vehicle; Ground Combat Vehicle; and the Joint Tactical Radio System. It also contemplates deeply reducing the Marines’ amphibious readiness as part of the overall strategic calculus. All right you devil dogs, get ready for some heresy:

Some services have acquired substantial assets beyond the requirements of their core mission. For instance, the U.S. Marine Corps – the smallest U.S. service – today boasts more tanks, artillery, fixed-wing aircraft and uniformed personnel than the entire British military. Given the changing operational environment, today’s force has too many heavy armored formations, short-range strike fighters, amphibious capabilities and manned aircraft. While some redundancy provides a useful hedge against risk, today’s extensive overlap among and within each service is unnecessary and no longer affordable, especially when joint interdependencies – such as Army helicopters flying off Navy carriers or Air Force C-130s supporting Marines – can yield comparable warfighting effectiveness at less expense.

What the Marines would say, and what you may also be thinking, is that this doesn’t quite add up: If the name of the future game is naval and air power, why would you eliminate the Marines’ contributions? In fact, they might argue, tomorrow’s era of long WestPac patrols and delicate global engagement could bring a new reliance on expeditionary forces operating from Navy warships. As we saw this week, the role (or lack thereof) of ground forces in wise guys’ WestPac vision seems to be a major piece missing from the puzzle.

For all their work and analysis, however, the CNAS authors and other panelists on Friday were realistic about the prospects for some or any of this coming true. As Sharp himself pointed out, polls show that many Americans believe the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — and more generally, the military — to be the main cause of the country’s current fiscal woes. That “perception problem,” as Sharp called it, could mean support for reductions in DoD’s budget, even though, as Secretary Panetta keeps insisting, the Pentagon isn’t the biggest cause of the debt. (Though base defense spending has grown by some 40 percent since 2001 for a force of about the same size.)

Barno called the prospect for that kind of public-driven build-down “frightening.” But another panelist, defense budget expert Gordon Adams, was more sanguine. The U.S. has endured big build-downs before and the world didn’t end, he said. Much of today’s anxiety in Washington is nothing more than “an Indonesian shadow play,” he said  – a big Punch and Judy Show, as opposed to a real crisis.

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If the “public perception” is worrying, then DOD should take measures to “educate” the public. “Entitlements” (when did we stop calling them “transfer payments”), especially social security and medicare, are the main culprits. The prospect of AARP and DOD (via proxies, of course) waging info war in the media would be something to see!

I do find troubling the retired general’s characterization of a “public driven build down” as “frightening”. I would characterize it as “realistic” and “necessary”. Just do it smart. Stop being the world’s beat cop. I see where Spain has agreed to host 4 USN Aegis equipped ships for euro BMD. Who’s paying the bill for this?

I’m not for short changing any of the services. Give them all what they need even if that means we should spend 4% of GDP on National Defense. Or even 4.5%-5% of GDP. China and Russia are spending more than 4% of their GDP on building up their militaries. The late teens and the 2020s require the USA and our allies to be prepared for war so we can prevent it before it happens again on a global basis.

Well, Phil Ewing does get a sort of award for pushing this out an hour after the session was over. The video recording on the CNAS web site doesn’t even work yet. So it is a bit difficult to contextualize what he has reported here. That said, the story line here is nothing particularly “new”. CNAS has been cruising for this kind of denouement for some time now, so if they don’t like the outcome, would it not be reasonable to look for the problem in wider and wider circles around their own policy recommendations ?

I notice that Mr. Ewing quotes nothing from Mr. Donnelly’s contributions to the panel discussion. To have a policy debate rather than a press release, one really needs to see both sides represented.

We should have a flat or modestly growing defense budget (and federal budget for that matter). We cannot have federal budget growth that outpaces economic and federal revenue growth. It’s unsustainable and insane. The budget should be evenly divided among the Services. Otherwise any time one Service’s budget grows out of proportion, the other ones claw and scratch to get back to parity, and we have an out of control monster on our hands. They won’t cancel failed programs that’s burning money like crazy because then people would think they shouldn’t get as much money (like FCS and EFV). OSD, GAO, OMB, POTUS, and the Congress need to referee strongly and wisely here.

The definition for what is “needed” varies widely. So if you “give them all what they need” then you have an unlimited upper bound, no control, and this is how we end up $14T in debt and multiple T’s in unfunded liabilities. Plus they waste so much. We need to cut the waste, and re-invest the savings much more wisely.

Good Morning Folks,

The “Center for a New American Security” a leading think tank?

I would think that somebody should tell this leading “stink tank” that the United States are very much a part of the United States Navy.

The Indian Ocean and Wes. Pac. to be the main area of US military concern in the future why?

Can the dod buzz get any lower then this?

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Some shifting is fine but the Army and the USMC at the very least need to reset. I also think though that some programs are BS for both services like JLTV, GCV, the now deceased EFV. We shifted money to the Army in the last 10 years with the fight we are in, I think it’s appropriate to do the same with the USAF/USN for the areas we will probably be involved in. I also agree reducing pointless redundancy is a good thing.

The first thing to be settled upon is what threats are force structure should be prepared to engage and then agreement on what tasks we will no longer undertake. Our Defense needs to threat and policy based with agreement by the Countries leadership on what risks we are willing to accept. We were clearly unprepared and still our not to undertake the kinds of wars we are fighting now and I suspect in private most would agree. Once there is agreement on the threats then we can get on to what the composition of our force structure needs to be and what equipment they will need to fight and win. Conjuring up unrealistic scenario’s helps no one. The major battle is the operational forces versus the institutional structure. In the past we ended up with a hollow Army not because of a lack of money, but rather poor choices and decisions. Less money does not mean less or an inferior defense.

what utter garbage and , as usual, completely a@@ backwards to reality and what happens during recent conflict.

I did give them an upper bound. No more, at present, than 4% to 5% of GDP for defense spending. That should be good for the rest of this decade. We shall see in 8 years what the world is like then and see if 4%-5% of GDP is good at that rate or could be adjusted down 1% or up1%.

To cut the Army and USMC in favor of the Navy and USAF is logical and right. And I think also what to define the most important treatment for the US interest is easy. The biggest treatment for the USA is not Afghanistan or Iraq also not the Iran the biggest treatment is the most capable enemy not the weakest for example Al Qaida can make terror acts how and kill thousands Americans but this is simple not comparable with what the Red Chinese or the Russian can do and both are declared enemies of the USA and the American Way of life. And so the List of the main enemies is clear for me.

First Red China how look to get the next dominant Nation on earth and has already started a massive military buildup to replace the USA as the World’s leading Power and the USA can not a accept what the Chinese Communist will determine the rules in the Global economy and Politic. And second largest treatment is Russian how has never stopped the dreaming to rebuild their Empire of Evil and to put at risk US Security and interests and there of their allies around the world. An to deter this main treatments the USA need a strong Air Force and a strong Navy but not an Army/USMC COIN Force and this is the fault of the Geography. In every War Scenario against Red China (for example a War over Taiwan) or with Russia a (for example a War in Europe) the USA will not need the Army or a large Number of USMC Troops but they will need more Ships and Fighters. The same Situation you find also by smaller treatments like Nord Korea or Iran. A War against Nord Korea will be fight by the South Korean Army how is capable to stop every Nord Korean Attack such a war will not need hundreds of thousands of US Soldiers on the Ground why you will already have about one Million South Korean troops on Ground but more Fighters and Bombers and a better ABM System will be nice to have. And you will also not need a big Army to stop the Iran to build a Nuclear Bomb but you will need also Fighters, Bombers and more capable ABM systems. So I think what the Authors of the Study are absolutely right with their recommendations of a smaller/weaker Army and USMC in favor of a stronger and larger Navy and Air Force.

I assume you mean DoD’s base budget without the OCO funds. When you add in the OCO funds, we are already close to 5%, and when you add in DoE, VA, DHS, Intel Community, without which DoD could not function, and we are $1T and way over 5%. No matter what % you think it should be applied to, it is never enough, and it never forces DoD to make wise decisions with the funds that it does have. I would rather see DoD base budget stabilized at flat or grow modestly, with better execution and less waste of funds. We cannot have the growth of the federal budget outpace the growth of the economy and revenues, or we will reach a tipping point leading to a financial crisis leading to loss of national security, which may be inevitable anyways.

I disagree. We run huge risks, known and unknown, when we cut back. We will inevitably some day have to rebuild mliitary capability lost due to cutting anyway and it will cost even more in the future. Plus I don’t like the tone of cutting one Service in ‘favor’ of another. This leads to more and more interservice rivalry, if not outright hostility, and is not productive conversation. Waste in the form of excess facilities and failed modernization programs is what should be cut, and with funds reinvested more wisely. We should not be prematurely cutting our ground forces especially while we are still engaged.

Defense spending at 3.8%, 4.0%, or up to 5% of GDP isn’t too much to ask to preserve our freedoms and to make sure the number one military power in the world is a constitutional democratic representative republic instead of a communist quasi-fascist authoritarian regime(s). We need to be efficient and non wasteful in all areas of the budget and also spend within our means. So I would cut in other areas besides defense spending in the years to come. Based upon our needs versus the nations we need to keep an eye on. Such as North Korea, China, Russia, Pakistan, and Iran.

I agree with you in this response :)

nice!!

This is an example of the arrogant and uninformed attitude towards defense policy that has taken hold in this country since Desert Storm. It assumes that US involvement in any and all conflicts is discretionary — some people might still think that was the case with Desert Storm; I don’t. It isn’t a question of what scenarios are “realistic” or “unrealistic”. While some are much more probable than others, we need to be very skeptical as to our ability to predict future conflicts at all. Force ratios matter, because they give us a way to measure capabilities against potential threats. The bottom line is that less equals less, so don’t believe that we can make a virtue of a necessity.

My problem is that you cannot have a “stabilized” DoD budget in this economic environment by pegging defense spending to a fixed percentage of GDP. If the DoD budget rises in relation to GDP because the private sector economy is in the tank — tough, you keep to the base budget. The DoD budget is not like the discount rate at the Fed — you don’t just let it rise and fall to turn the juice up or down on fiscal policy. BradM is right, Defense spending in the 3.5–5% range has a minimal impact on economic growth. Even at the 2007–2010 levels, we can sustain that level of spending pretty much indefinitely. One can argue all one wishes about the impact of discretionary spending on the deficit, but the simple hard fact is in conditions of economic equilibrium, the United States devotes about 20% of its GDP to the public sector, and needs to sustain the level with sufficient revenue to keep its currency solvent. So entitlements and domestic discretionary spending have somewhere between 15–17% of GDP to work with. I don’t think it is unreasonable to demand that our political leaders get out and do what they need to do to get this under control without breaking any more of the china.

I forget who said it…maybe it was the Secretary of Defense or some other amongst the movers and shakers. Anyway, the gist of it is that over the last century we have a perfect score in predicting the next conflict.…100% wrong each and every time. I agree that we need to pull back some of our forward deployed forces, right-size the ground forces, and then re-look how we can retain the technological edge. We may not need thousands of fifth generation fighters…but when it came out, everyone guffawed that we were buying too many. Critics loudly proclaimed the next competitor was decades behind in stealth technology. Well…we’ve seen the first versions of Chinese and Russian fifth generation fighters making an appearance. They haven’t reached parity with us yet…but give them time. But I digress, the point is that it takes years to develop and field new technologies. We can’t build everything all the services (or congressmen seeking jobs in their districts) want…but we do have to keep pushing the envelope with certain technologies to retain our relevancy. Let’s see how this all pans out.

No they should just put the army and marines to gather that might save money

You are right but the Problem of the DOD is now what all alternatives are very bad. The DOD stands at the abyss and the only question is now how deep he will fall and every scenario even a 450 billion, 600 billion, 900 billion or more than a trillion cut is a complete disaster for the DOD and the USA. The DOD can under reasonably reflection not afford any more cuts them the cuts what Gates have already done in the last 2 years before this new 450 Billion cuts how are already decided and the probable other 600 Billion how will get reality in 2 months has come. So the USA will lose big why it existing already no longer so called “fat” in Pentagon and a lot of the muscles are also cut and the now coming cuts will break the Bones of the Pentagon. And it looks like what Obama and his progressive idiots and there Tea Party comrades on the other side will let this disaster take place. So the DOD will have only the Choice what he will lose more, them the cuts are equally divided on all services al will become inoperable. With other Words then you not take a focus and set a priority you will be everywhere weak and nowhere strong.

And to be serious I think the last hope to prevent collapse of the Military Superiority of the USA is a complete GOP Win in 2012 because if Obama win again I fear what it will be simple over for the USA as a Super Power. The damage what a 1 trillion cut will generate will be irreparable and impossible to manage no matter what the DOD does or what priority he set, it will break the neck of the US Military for more than 20 Years but you can be also sure what this will not save a single dollar.

For example the last big cuts in the early nineties also damaged the DOD irreparable so the USAF has lost more those 50% of their Fighters and 60% of their Bombers as consequence of this cuts, the Navy has lose also about more them 50% of their Ships but cost for the remaining smaller and weaker Fleet has raised. Defense cuts generate just for a short term a marginal cost saving and for this saving you can pay later the next 10 or 20 years a multiple of that you have save and you will also pay with blood. So the USA has saved in the early nineties about 200 billion and this only to spent after the 9/11 about a trillion in the failed attempt to rebuild what they lose in consequence of this cuts.

We have in Iraq and Stan, it didn’t work.

It is NOT defense spending (which has in fact been historically low for more than a decade) that has resulted in our current debt…

A “a flat or modestly growing defense budget” won’t even maintain our current forces (which have become ever increasingly expensive to maintain as platforms have aged) much less recapitalize our mostly 1980’s-era equipment.

It is NOT defense spending that has casued the Federal Budget growth to outpace economic & revenue growth!

A budget “evenly divided amoung the services” would result in a EXTREMELY SMALL/WEAK USAF & USN and you would have to reinstate the draft in order to get enough bodies for the US Army & USMC.

Who is on the line to steal the US freedom?.…. now or in 20 years .….I mean really? …explain to me.

then what caused the sharp increase in the debt during the Reagan years? Now, surely I agree with you that health care is the big culprit, and in the future the demographic problem is a nightmare. However, do you know what the future costs of caring for all our veterans with PTSD and brain injuries will be? don’t even try — you don’t. Then also consider all the opportunity costs incurred by bad investments in ill conceived and executed programs, and how we could have re-invested the dollars more wisely in other areas to grow our GDP. Plus no matter how much is spent, it is never enough — the force structure is chronically aged and obsolete, again, due to wasteful, ill conceived, reckless programs. Please note it is not defense spending total per se that I am opposed to. It is ill advised modernization programs.

it WILL if we get the acquisition modernization portfolio out of “stuck on stupid”. Every time a new development program comes up for consideration, DoD highly touts learning curve production effects as justification for an affordable estimate and promised O&M savings. Fine then. Let’s hold DoD at it’s word. We need an acquisition strategy of recapitalization of aged fleets with modern affordable replacements, and then keep production lines open indefinitely to ensure we never again run into the situation where we operating 20+ year old gear. With technology, increased productivity, learning, and economies of scaale, there is no reaon why we cannot maintain capabilities with a modestly increasing budget (I’ll give you the inflation). The only reason DoD cannot live within its current budget is wasteful, stupid, mismanaged investments based on flawed decision making and values.

If I’m right and “all alternatives are bad”, then the wisest thing to do would be to select the least bad of the alternatives! We often make bad situations worse when we make drastic changes.

This is nothing new, the push to get rid of men and funnel the profits to the contractors has been going on for a year now. The think tanks are all pushing that core idea from as many points of view as possible.
We don’t need an army because they cant deliver the sustained contractor profits the air-force and navy can — thats the simple fact of the matter.

This doesn’t really have much to do with the topic, but the United States needs more people like Mr. Rickover, he was actually looking out for the american people, something you don’t see anymore.

This is from a conversation with President Reagan and former Secretary of the Navy (Lehman) where President Reagan and Lehman try to foce the Admiral into retirement.

(Rickover, referring to Lehman:) “Mr. President, that piss-ant knows nothing about the Navy.” The admiral turned toward (Lehman) and raised his voice now to a fearsome shout. “You just want to get rid of me, you want me out of the program because you want to dismantle the program.” Shifting now toward President Reagan, he roared on: “He’s a goddamn liar, he knows he is just doing the work of the contractors. The contractors want me fired because of all the claims and because I am the only one in the government who keeps them from robbing the taxpayers.”

The main problem Aurora is the the multi-national corporation called the US Federal Fumble Farm no longer knows how to compete in the world economy so revenue is down and falling further. Schools sure as hell are not turning out Bill Gates and Steve Jobs any more.…they turn out government employees not creative risk takers. If the Federal gang would stop fiddling while Rome burns we could afford all we ever need .… tax base is the name of the game at reasonable tax rates.

This is the problem Aurora.….“I do find troubling the retired general’s characterization of a “public driven build down” as “frightening”. I would characterize it as “realistic” and “necessary”. .…with allowing government type bureaucrats doing these types of studies. At Coke one could say Pepsi was “frightening” and my boss would say “Yup…they are…get on with it because you are playing you bet your job if you do not solve the problem and beat them”. Hand wringing simply shows a lack of creativity couched in a fear environment. When I hit the streets at 40 and had to “create my living” myself with no help.… it was frightening.… I made a lot of money! Just get the damn job done and stop whining Washington! But they’re too busy on their PC missions.

Sure go ahead, give the navy and the air force what they need. But first give the Army and the Marines a better rifle
13F4P
Desert storm / Desert shield OIF 1, OIF 2, OIF 6.8

oh lordie, can you image a “straight shooter” like Rickover in today’s over-the-top political correct, perversity is diversity Navy. Some little cry baby g a y guy would say he’s feeling were hurt and then Rickover would be railroaded out of the Navy.

We wouldn’t have the weapons systems and ships we have today if men like Rickover weren’t around years ago. We’d have an inpotent Mullen/Roughhead little crappy ship navy that wouldn’t scare anyone.

““Not only that, naval and air forces are “capital intensive and very expensive;” there’s a lack of consensus about which specific nations or regions represent the greatest threat; and the American public believes the Army and Marine Corps are the most important of the armed services, Sharp said.””

That is the biggest crock of Snizzlit I have ever heard. Me being a Marine, I believe my job is very important, and would like to think it could be the most important. However, reality is that I know I am not the most important. The general public also knows that the Marine Corps is not the most important. They all know that it takes a joint effort in order to go to a full scale operation.

Now, if you are talking about expeditionary forces, then that is a little different. However, even then the general public has little ideas about how we actually work in that capacity.

The Admiral was a D-bag, a-hole, straight shooter, but he was trying to do what he thought was right for the American people. Who the F*** in the DoD does that for the American people now???

In order to decide the composition and funding levels for the military forces, we need to have a clear mission statement and comprehensive U.S. foreign policy. Something more specific than “we will take our Cold War military organization and go police the world anytime anywhere whatever the cost”. The U.S. Constitution seems to focus on defending the United States against all enemies both foreign and domestic. Defense of the homeland
seems to be the intended purpose of the military. Nothing in there about ‘world policeman”, nation-building etc.
This mission statement and foreign policy should be an immediate major national government project.

LIghten up everyone. NOBODY takes the CNAS seriously outside the leftard establishment. In fact, it’s sole purpose in creation was to give a mantle of legitimacy for the same old tired cut-defense defense arguments, The left saw the success that the Heritage Foundation and Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in particular enjoyed and decided to dress up their ideas in garb resembling sound military policy.
Speaking of CSBA, their thought on the matter recognize the shift in threats and priorities to the Pacific, but manage to observe that a big part of the Navy’s reason to exist is to get Marines where they are needed fast see :www​.csbaonline​.org/​p​u​b​l​i​c​a​t​i​o​n​s​/​2​0​1​0​/​0​5​/​a​i​r​s​e​a​-​b​a​t​t​l​e​-​c​o​n​c​e​pt/ (don’t miss the related content in the sidebar.)

Good catch on the PR regurgitation.

You can NOT like the National Military Strategy (as in my case — it isn’t ambitious enough) but you cannot claim we do not have one. One might think someone who apparently feels as strong as you seem to MIGHT have tried to see if there was a NMS that they were not aware of OR that the NMS is unavailable and kept behind locked doors (Hint: only the classified portions are out of reach). Try “National Military Strategy” in your serach engine. The latest one is probably the first hit. Many past year strategies are on the web so you can even do some comparisons. The ‘Cold War’ basis for NMS was gone with “The Base Force” concept 20 years ago.

Citation?

How about making procurement more efficient. Then we get more bang for the buck.

Commies and Muslims, Commie-Muslims
/sarcasms

For self defense and when a foreign entity attack our ships, jets or country, I think the best bet for the buck are advance and long range antiship missiles, antiPAK-FA missiles, anti J-10 missiles, ati tank missiles anti missile missiles attach to our steath ships, subs, jets and tanks.

I believe what is best for the buck are the country’s defenses preparedness when attack by foriegn entity. Iran is planning to send ships in the Atlantic and Russia aircraft carrier are having exercises witn Vanezuela could pose a threat in the future.

Trimming the Army and USMC following an exit from Iraq and eventually Afghanistan (fingers crossed) is not unreasonable but it should not be precipitous… trim by 2% per year for 10 years and focus on improving the remaining Active Duty Army and USMC with a robust and credible increase (capability, equipment & training) in the Army Guard & USMC Reserve (cheaper and available quickly if you need a larger land force)…

Focusing on the Navy & USAF for the future is OK if we do so with a coordinated plan… what kind of AF & Navy do we want to end up with… following the model of reforming our land forces, we should reform the USAF for a focused and modern force, perhaps smaller but far more modern… ditto for the Navy… putting services and missions to the Guard & Reserve that we need but on a “on demand” basis… COIN, light tactical airlift, brown water naval operations, etc…

Dear Sarge, Your enemy is the cult of Islam. Your economy has collapsed and us American taxpayers are unable to continue funding the military as we knew it. Teach your grandchildren to speak Mandarin so they can talk to their bosses. Thank Bill Clinton for selling you out to globalist corporations. Have a happy retirement.

The real question I have is this: how do you get people like Nagl and Barno to sell the Army and the Marine Corps down the road like this ? Is short term success in COIN and more dead-end AID expenditures really worth this in their heirarchy of values ? And look at the people who contribute money to CNAS — lots of defense contractors who have real money on the line with all the programs they are recommending to cancel. How is that a good use of their stockholder’s money ? I know that Inside-The-Beltway can be really a bizarre place, and there are angles upon angles — but the only motivation I can see here is sheer extortion. Otherwise I just don’t get it.

Rather than raiding the Army an Marines to cover JSF overruns, it would be better to keep the Army and Marines fully funded, and cancel JSF.

There are some places where the CNAS “Hard Choices” paper is unintentionally humorous. On page 9, one finds this howler:

“In light of significant budget cuts now being considered, civil leaders should not ask the military to execute the expansive defense plans codified in the Obama Administration’s National Security Strategy…QDR.. and National Military Strategy. These documents do not adequately address …budgetary constraints. In fact, congressional legislation prohibits the QDR from addressing such constraints.”

So — CNAS characterizes the $530 billion DoD budget baseline as “expansive”. For the real annual impact of any of the CNAS budgetary scenarios on the base force, remember to divide the topline by ten to calculate that actual annual percent reduction. You might actually want to take some of the line items that increase monotonically by scenario, and see how much of the actual baseline they are taking out, to determine whether or not the numbers are, ummm, allocable.

Also read the footnotes, because for example the GCV cancellation really just moves $7 billion dollars to Bradley reset (at least in Scenarios 1 and 2) But the report also advocates moving heavy forces out of the active component, so go figure.

Keep the Army and Marines fully funded. Buy the F-35 but reduce the number of F-35As by 300 or so and replace them with F-22As for the USAF. We are buying the F-35B to replace the Harrier and the F-35C to enhance our capability with the Super Hornet so when the time comes when we could be facing J-20s and Sukhoi T-50s we have 5th generation fighters to do it with. So the time frame we need the F-35 is mostly likely post 2015 and more like 2017–2029.

your 100% right dav, the Rickover’s of yesterday have been replaced with man-boys like Mullen and Roughead. Lord help us if we ever get into with the Chinese. we’ll need some leaders like Nimitz and Spruance again but our leadership now is full of politically correct man-boys afraid to take any risks or to do “anything” in fear of offending the g a y crowd. The Navy really needs to man up and not g a y up.

For everyone’s reading pleasure:
https://​acc​.dau​.mil/​a​d​l​/​e​n​-​U​S​/​4​2​7​0​4​2​/​f​i​l​e​/​5​5​9​4​1/2…

And: http://​www​.whitehouse​.gov/​s​i​t​e​s​/​d​e​f​a​u​l​t​/​f​i​l​e​s​/​rss…

The problem I have with these documents is that nothing is prioritized. Both documents lay out in broad enough terms what they think the US military and security establishment should do, but not in a way that gives a main effort or tells you where you can take risks.

Araya, you are a blatantly pro Navy/Air Force partisan. The Army has lost over 60% of its force structure since the cold war and that’s not enough for you because the Air Force and Navy have lost 50%.

That’s not how we build a force and considering the cost of todays planes and ships (the measure you sue to define Air/Navy power its goint tpo take quite a bit.

How about the novel concept of determining the threat and building the force to counter it?

One of the many fallacies of the CNAS report was the notion that it takes less time to regenerate Army forces (e.g. from the reserve components or from accessions) than the Navy or Air Force. I haven’t noticed any particular problem in the Air Force’s ability to utilize combat pilots from the Air Force reserve, and much of our miltary airlift capacity comes out of the Air Force Reserve. Now, the Navy is another story — but given the physical and emotional demands posed by ground combat, including both low and mid-to-high intensity scenarios, I’m not prepared to concede the idea that the Navy cannot make better use of its reserves and in fact move some of the fleet into a semi-active training status. This of course is a fairly substantial mental hurdle for the US Navy, which goes out combat ready on deployments as a matter of policy. One could get a better leverage on OPTEMPO by thinking creatively and taking a risk here and there. I’m not talking months worth of risk. Days. And using simulators more aggressively is a wonderful way to cut down on consumption of ammunition and fuel. The Army has been doing this for a long, long time.

In no case did the CNAS report do anything but reduce R&D expenditures as a monotonic linear function of topline reductions. They did the same thing with intelligence. Now, clearly, the longer the US continues to chop R&D, the easier it will be for our adversaries to catch up. The CNAS report blythely says (And I quote) “todays force has too many heavy armored formations, short range strike fighters, amphibious capabilitiesand manned aircraft”. So when our reduced and lightened Army deploys against an adversary with a larger heavy force, a real air defense system, and local superiority in manned aircraft, it is not at all clear to me that our presumed superior training and technological superiority will be adequate to prevail. What one has to conclude is that with all of CNAS’s 4 scenarios, the “hard choices” differ in degree rather than in kind.

Yes, support our military, but print more money for the rest of us!

Time for experimentation with lives has seen its days. Downsizing and budget constrains costliness can be contained. Take the mid career officers, NCOs and enlisted and offer Reserve Status or options of Civilian Government Employment. This will allow boistering the civilian job market, and yet keep defenders on the ready. Looking back Speed was the winning factor during the gulf war. At first I was disappointed the reserves were called out before the 82d. At the time their motto within two hours they good place a rapid reactionary force any where within 18 hours. The Marines are trained to be sent in First AND EFFECTIVE. This is all good and well, but the troops need weapons and equipment that will replace the bulk and strike force effectiveness. Instead, bickering on who to favor over who is counter productive. Our troops are no longer like us when we were in basic. They are smarter and expect more technical effective tools to rush that hill.

Both the Air Force and the Navy have fuction in defense stradagyThe Navy can get there faster, ready to Engage. This is a stop gap deployment untill the Air force can Mobilize and deploy to the area. Then the two sevicescan support the total mission as needed.

Assumption is an expansion of assume, and we all know what assume means. McNamara was one of those egg-headed think type people. Look what happened in Viet Nam. Need I say more?

It’s all about money, of course. Our past and present presidents and Congress, having spent us nearly into oblivion, are about to repeat past mistakes and try to “save money” by reducing the entire military and weapons R&D. The president wants to reduce the Navy’s ships and aircraft, and the manpower reductions in all branches is already underway. This at a time when we are actively at war in 4 overt theaters, and covertly in at least 4 others (Lybia, Yemen, N. Korea and Somalia). China is building nuclear carriers and submarines at a furious pace, while we tear ours down. Brilliant. Jimmy Carter trimmed us down to nearly lethal levels, and it took Reagan to build us back up to “the platform of strength” from which we will have to negotiate in the future. There are many ways to reduce our debt, borrowing and spending, but Congress and the Administration are going about it the wrong way, as usual.

The economy and jobs are crucial, of course, but neither will matter if our defense is weakened to the point that we can’t protect our global interests. With China’s Naval buildup, the U.S. Navy’s slogan “We Own the Seas” will soon be a thing of the past. If the Navy is weakened, China will be able to tell us to stay out of the S. China seas, which we use to protect Tawain and Japan, and we will have to do it. The utter stupidity of our politicians never ceases to amaze me.

the development of better tactical weapons should be an important objective…however core manpower will always be necessary, particularly with regard to Asia/Pacific affairs…

About cutting the budget, Let’s make all Politicos $1.oo ayear person with no benifits. see how they like it.

I wonder why, in all the suggestions that Congress has come up with regarding getting us out of debt, not a single member has suggested reducing their own ridiculous pay, medical & dental benefits, bodyguards, numerous assistants, taxpayer paid transportation, etc., all of which continue after they leave office?

How about canceling Congress?

I would agree that current Army forces should be reduced, and units consolidated, etc.

RE. Naval power, until we actually get some advanced program to stop attacks upon Naval vessels by stealth aircraft/remote controlled attacks, not to mention Atomics, our fleets will be sitting ducks for some powers. Overload of defensive systems can (it seems) be easily assembled by the enemy. I don’t care a poo-poo about the suggested capabilities of our defensive and offensive weapons systems as recorded by those contractors who build them, I feel all of them are full of weaknesses, etc.!

Any weapons system that claims a 50–1 kill ratio is “OK” untill the enemy is able to send 51+ units against them!

In my mostly non humble opinion, we must use our young people where they are best trained since the third grade or so, that is “remote” control of un-manned vehicles and aircraft etc.! That is our best chance without the sacrifice of our young people.

Video warfare is the warfare of the future, and any nation that does not know that, could well be the looser in some future conflict.

Regards to all,

Ronald L. Hughes

Add a ” VOLUNTEER MILITARY TAX ” –Lets see how far that gets.…

So the Marine Corps in the smallest of the US Services? What happened to the US Coast Guard? Did Congress make them civilians?

HELL NO ! WE WERE TO THIN TO RESPOND IMMEDIATELY IN WWII AND WE VOWED TO NEVER CRIPPLE OURSELVES AGAIN, CARTER CHOPPED US UP AND REAGAN BUILT US UP ! WE NEED GREATER ENLISTMENT IN THE ARMY DAMN IT

BE A SCOUT BE PREPARED I SAY YES YESS WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO AREIN THE KNOW

The services have been scrapping for their piece of the bone since the beginning of time and each sees their service as the most important. The fact is — they all are. Predicting threats, how and where they will come, is tricky business. I should think all he arenas need to be considered and the person who said we need to stop being the world’s cop is absolutley right. We really only need to be able to beat the crap out of anyone who gets funny with us. We should hit first and hit hard — it’s worked for the Israeli’s.

Reliance on the “Reserves” (actual or National Guard) is one of those themes thats been advanced as long as I can remember, each time “budget cuts” showed up. Reserves and NG are undeniably cheaper, UNTIL YOU NEED THEM. Reserves were NEVER called up in masse during Vietnam, but during DS and since, the reserves and NG have been having to step in and do their part. Im not saying that is necessarily bad, but… you have got to do it right when the missions get assigned! In the last 10 years or so, I dont think that the reserve/active balance came out quite as good as it seemed on paper.

Honestly, Im thinking that the USN might have the most challenging proposition when it comes to integrating the reserves, but it may be in the tea leaves.

As for “getting it”.… .Actually,.… I think that you do! Sadly, but true.

From one point, Im a big fan of the “smaller but far more modern” approach, but..… . I keep getting this cold, prickly feeling at the back of the neck that it might be one of those “pigs in a poke” propositions. It implies getting all of that “modern” top end stuff in the future in exchange for the qualities of size, and we dont even seem to be able to buy ANY new military toys all that well these days.

You probably only have to go back to WWII and consider the German approach (and the cumulative results of all of those Tiger vs Sherman, ME-262 vs P-51 engagements, and even M-1 vs MP43/Stg 44 shootouts) to get that same cold prickly.

We, the US, have traditionally taken the “out fight, by out-producing” approach and have won with it. Now we should abandon that approach and assume the Nazi strategy of “build the super tank even if we can only afford 1000 of them” instead of the “make Shermans like Carter makes liver pills” which rather indusputably won the war? Hmmmm.… .

It would be nice if we could also add pictures/images along with our comments here, because it would help me explain myself better with a little show and tell.

The Air Force and the NAVY supporting ground forces is the way to go, and it should be set up like that. Remember the Germans in WWII with Poland and France. — The NAVY can get us there, but if only they had the right ship.

We have to be the “beat cop” or the results would be bad for us and our allies. I can just see leaving our fate up to the looney tunes of this world. The past events of the last 48 hours alone is a GREAT indicator. Cutting costs? How about getting rid of the “fluff balls” of the military, the basic Air Force. Every other service can do what they do and in a lot of cases better. Just think what we would save in personnel and equipment. Boggles the imagination!!

1/2 mill dead iraqi civilians for no WMDs? Another “Idi Amin Dada-run” anyone? howabout we stop the ~$6.8 million* the U.S gives to Israel each day. The “terror” war is a false flag — perpetual war –perpetual debt — our blood and treasure for NATO’s agenda.

If we are not willing to kill all of the enemy quickly and efficiently saving the lives of our own then why have a strong military at all. It is just a waste of money.

The truth is that we have 300 million people and China has a billion, with India not far behind. That implies that we need the edge superior technology and training gives us. The question is not necessarily how large or small the active force is, but how quickly one can ramp up if needed. The fallacious assumption on the street is that all wars in the future will be small and last a long time. Even if that is half right, you could have a real problem.…

Make that “would” have a real problem.… Pure manpower is no more of an answer than Norm Augustine’s hypothetical “one supertank” or “one single superfighter” approach, but manpower does have a certain resiliency to it. :-)

That “quick response” capability is the wild card. If you pay any attention to it, and I do believe that the time where you had months if not years to “build up” is gone, you are obliged to live with what some can credibly argue to be “excesses”, be it in terms of manpower, equipment, or even worse, production capability. When things get tight, as they are now, excesses, wherever you might find them, look way too inviting for politicians with agendas. Skeletonize the active duty manpower, drop a generation of weapons systems, screw up the procurment process with bureaucracy and “business school” insight, and trim the industrial production capacity to the bare minimum. Somehow, Im thinking we will be inviting someone to take advantage, but… what do I know. :-(

HA!!! Talk like that is probably why this retired LT. General never made his fourth star. This guy had to have been in the Air Force, he would never have made it that far in the Army.

The Coast Guards basic Fuctions are Diffrent than the Other services. They are used to support the other services during a conflict but, it’s not their area of primary responsibility.

get rid of the bloated Army, for God’s sake. they are useless, and they dont fight like the Marines.

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