When the admirals ‘revolted’

When the admirals ‘revolted’

Imagine this: You’ve settled onto the couch and turned on your favorite network TV show – say, “The X Factor” or “Dancing With the Stars.” After a few minutes of pop-culture frivolity, you’re about to change the channel at the commercial break when you see the smiling face of Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz.

“Hi friends,” he says. “I’d like to take a moment of your time to tell you about the importance of something called the next-generation bomber.”

Then, as you snack your way through the next few spots for Ford or Budweiser, here comes Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jonathan Greenert: “Hey, gang, you loved ‘Crimson Tide,’ right? Well wait’ll you hear about what we’ve got in store with the new Ohio-class replacement program!”


Bizarre? Implausible? Today it seems almost unthinkable, and perhaps even illegal, that the military services would try to communicate this directly with a general audience – but that wasn’t always the case. Back in 1949, the Air Force and Navy fought a national public relations duel over the strategic future of the new Defense Department.

The still-new Air Force wanted its B-36 strategic bomber, and moreover, wanted to subsume almost all the functions of the Navy and Marine Corps. Air power could take over for all that boat nonsense, the service believed and besides, the wars of the future would be full-scale nuclear exchanges, not bathtub games. The Navy wanted big aircraft carriers – specifically, it wanted the revolutionary USS United States – so it could take its World War II-proven carrier battle groups into the jet and nuclear age.

When the Navy brass felt it was getting short shrift from the new DoD and Congress, it staged what has become known as the ‘revolt of the admirals’ – one of the earliest and still greatest Pentagon food fights of all time. Service officials battled up on the Hill. Seapower advocates prepared “secret” dossiers pointing up the supposed weaknesses and wastefulness of the B-36. Internecine skullduggery set the tone for the rest of the history of the unified Defense Department.

But maybe most extraordinary, from our perspective today, is that the services made their case to the American people in the most popular media of that era. Air Force allies wrote stories about the B-36 for Reader’s Digest. A Navy flag officer – get a load of this – wrote articles for the Saturday Evening Post, including one headlined “Don’t let them scuttle the Navy!” (His exclamation point, not ours.)

Although the carrier United States was scrapped on its ways and the B-36 was built, ultimately the Navy and Air Force both won. Strategic bombers and aircraft carriers remain twin fixtures of American power. Once again, however, their futures are murky, and once again, service leaders seem on the verge of throwing elbows to protect their arsenals against the big crunch.

All this history came to mind this week after the House Armed Services Committee’s latest series of anti-cuts hearings, all of which followed an identical script: Lawmakers: Budget cuts would be bad, right? Service officials: Yes, they would be terrible. Lawmakers: It’s good for the United States to remain a strong military power, isn’t it? Service officials: Yes, it is. Lawmakers: Hearing adjourned.

By the second or third performance, this act tends to lose its punch. And by the time you’re deep into hour two, you start to wonder: Who else is actually listening to this? These Armed Services Committee lawmakers oppose DoD cuts, as do the service officials. The third powerful but unacknowledged presence in the hearing room – the defense industry – definitely opposes DoD spending reductions. Nobody else seems to be paying attention. So does this schauspiel actually benefit anyone?

Maybe – maybe it’s just insurance so the Iron Triangle can say, “we told you so” if bad stuff happens down the road. Maybe the Triangle believes if it keeps up a steady drumbeat it will capture more of an audience, including, possibly, John and Jane Q. Taxpayer, sitting at home watching TV. And in Congress’ defense, you can only work with the tools you have: All bloggers can do is blog; lawmakers can convene hearings. Occasionally they write guest columns and letters to the editor.

Still, almost none of this output seems to achieve Beltway escape velocity. Even HASC chairman Rep. Buck McKeon’s duel with the New York Times’ Paul Krugman didn’t seem to get much public attention in Real America. So should the military-industrial-congressional complex take a page from the history books and start to make a case to voters?

It would have its work cut out: We’ve seen where defense issues have such a low visibility for Americans that President Obama could crack wise about flying an F-22 with no repercussions. The “gap” that Pentagon leaders and defense observers have described between the military and the general public is a double-edged sword: Yes, DoD can keep partly out of sight and act independently, but that makes for a tougher job getting the public’s attention.

There have been some initial steps, though: In Washington, at least, the big brand-name defense contractors already buy advertisements on TV, radio and outdoors in places such as Metro stations. (How many tourists have learned about the F-35B because of the billboards underground in the Pentagon City stop?) Are big national campaigns the next step? Maybe the TV spots wouldn’t just say: “Boeing: We exist,” as they do now. Instead they could say “Boeing: The KC-46A Sure Is Terrific!”

And what about the services themselves, making a pitch to today’s Reader’s Digest, or during NFL football games, or “American Idol?” Today the services’ national presence is mostly through their recruiting campaigns, and occasionally through Fleet Week-style local events. Would Americans respond to a direct pitch for support, a message that said, “call your Congressman and say ‘I support the F-35!’”

It was controversial when it happened back in ’49, sparking investigations and charges of insubordination. Would it work now?

What do you think?

 

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$800 hammers and toilet seats are still too fresh in peoples minds. A major PR campaign to promote a $200 million dollar fighter jet is a tough sell in this economy.

Do General Officers tolerate rogue officers in their command communicating positions that undermine their authority & credibility? Then neither should they do that to the Constiutional authority over them, per their Oath of Office. We need more retired General Officers to run for political office, where they can have more political authority to influence strategic decision making.

I think that you are right, but perhaps for other reasons.…Back in the day we had a very visible, very credible threat (all you had to do was run the news reels from the May Day parades in Moscow!). Today that threat is far less defined, at least for Joe Q. Public.

Aside from that.… the general officers of today are perhaps a bit more politically savy than the Billy Mitchell of the 30s or the Hap Arnolds and Curtis LeMay’s of the post WW-II era. Those guys DID play politics in a big way, but it was politics without the “finesse” expected today. Could the AF mount the same kind of PR campaign as then… perhaps, but I really dont think that the AF generals, and retired generals, in-place today have the same grit to “go to the mat”, even for what they truely believe in, as did those of the past.

Again, I have to agree with you, in principle. We have a long history of the military staying at least somewhat aloof from legislative politics. That is, I think, a good thing. A good soldier will often just have to salute, do an about face and march on. Frankly, Im not really certain that career military officers always make good politicians. At least in recent history, they seem either to try too hard to apply their military principles to the less disciplined world of national partisan politics (Denton, Stockdale, and to a lesser degree, McCain), or end up wallowing a bit too deep in the political slop bucket (Cunningham, Murtha).

ahh yes, but it is a matter of patriotism that should make servicemembers jump into the political fray even if they are ‘unsuited’ for the political environment. If our true purpose is to serve our country, then we need to go where the need is most: the festering swamp of Washington DC and its corrupt, greedy, self-serving, military illiterate, quantitatively illiterate, but politically adept culture! a recipe for disaster, that I believe should be rectified by more ‘unconventional’ candidates getting elected to office. I would love to see the ivy league JD elite culture broken, and more Congressional votes cast from a more diversified, representative cross-section of America. And the mistakes & ill-suitedness of the past veteran candidates that you cite, should be lessons learned and prologue to a new future where balance is restored in America, and there’s more realistic representation of the military in Congress. You got to start somewhere!!

The reality is most Americans give more thought to whether or not their latte is made right at Starbucks, than anything having to do with the military. Soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen die everyday and no one blinks an eye.

I’d love to see some of that Pentagon vermin sqirm into the light and answer some questions about why everything costs so much and takes so damn long. None of them has the stones to do it. I saw a TV show the other day where Ronnie Barrett showed up at Ft. Benning, GA to hear from the snipers themselves about how his rifle was performing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The guy is a legend and was treated with the respect due an innovator and true American patriot. He was given some constructive criticisms of his .50 cal sniper rifle many of which he took to heart and implemented in the latest version of the M107A1.

As I was sitting there watching this program, I thought to myself what it would be like if one of the CEO’s of Lockheed or Boeing showed up at an Air Force base. I have no doubt they would be sequestered from the rank and file, first so the generals could get their ass kissing time in, and second so they wouldn’t be drenched in spit. I sure as hell wish I worked for the Barretts.

your last statement can be partly attributable to biased media. When Bush is President, “US casualties” are prominently reported and pictures from Andrews AFB get posted on the Internet, nightly news, and newspapers. When Obama is President, “NATO” soldiers die, and the headline is right underneath the headlines of what happened on Dancing with the Stars or Lindsay Lohan going to jail again.

Its not just bias, its ten years of various wars. People are ground down. During the Bush administration, pictures from Dover were not allowed. The military is in essence a separate caste from the rest of society, with a smaller and smaller percentage of people having any interaction with it. When it becomes so divorced from the rest of society, it becomes much easier to throw “those guys” into the meat grinder, listen to a Lee Greenwood song and forget about it. It also becomes easier to steadily erode spending on something, very few have interaction with. So you get more wars and less spending on the military. Where do the troops get squeezed, practical stuff that keeps them alive in the field and at the VA when they come back missing limbs. The PPT warriors get their shiny new stuff, Joe Shite the ragman gets to make do.

you hit the nail on the head, those big defense firm CEO really need to spend a week in the dirt and mud with our solders and Marines, maybe some humility will “stick” to them

I’ve got a better idea, it should be required that every member of Congress spend two weeks “in the shoes” of a common soldier (E-3), sailor or Marine and work with them, eat with them and sleep in the same facilities (no Barney Frank’s). The congressmen will not get to choose their assignments, they will be placed in billets at the “needs of the service.” But we’ll make sure most of them go to the Army, Marines or Navy, no easy CONUS duty allowed.

If they get an Army posting it’ll be in Korea on the DMZ, if the Marines then they’ll go to the ‘Stan, and if the Navy they’ll spend their time on a destroyer at sea, if the Coast Guard they spend it on a cutter in Alaska.

I dunno. Everyone I’ve talked to seems to think that Milstar is pretty sweet, although they’d prefer a higher data rate, which is what AEHF is going to do. And they sure are happy about accurate navigation and weather reports (GPS and DMSP). And DSCS is still doing pretty well, and has only recently started to be supplanted by WGS.

But I dunno, those aren’t planes so I guess nobody cares about them.

Bush and his gang of neo-con fantasists are responsible for those wars, and by extension, the “US casualties” of those wars, NOT the “biased media”

As for why casualty reports get such short shrift in the media nowadays — it’s got nothing to do with Obama, and everything to do with the fact that your so-called “biased media” are controlled by capitalists seeking to make profits. The audience those profits derive from will no longer swallow the tired and self-evidently false neo-con propaganda that those wars are vital to the defence and safety of the US, hence people just don’t care about it very much.

Hell, even 40% of the veterans who have and are fighting in those wars think it’s been a waste of blood and treasure…

My recollection was a bit off — it’s more like 33% of vets think the wars were a waste.
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you need a history lesson on our involvement with Iraq.

Like the “Admiral’s Revolt”, General Fuller apparently got fired by the Pentagon for telling the truth about his opinion of Pres. Karzai’s statement that ” he would rather be on Pakistan’s side in a war against the U.S.A.” Us military types need to be reminded occasionally that we do not enjoy the right of Freedom of Speech. We volunteered to be the mute public servants of our career politicians. Only the State Department has the expertise to cooperate with corrupt foreign leaders. The politicians pick the wars we fight and they buy the guns and if they wanted our opinion on how to conduct the wars then they would ask for it.

You should have been with me interviewing pilots about the system I was trying to fix right after it killed one of their buddies. That was a good time. I get f’ed over by my “colleagues” who put the crappy system on the airplane contrary to my design and then I got to hear it from the people who lost a friend and faced having that same system fail them. As far as I’m concerned there should be a special place in hell for whoever came up with the current procurement system that never provides us with any incentive to do things right, but provides plenty of chances to rework crap we never should have screwed up in the first place.

Oh really? And what clear and present WMD danger to democracy, the free world, and Mom’s All-American apple pie, will that trillion dollar history lesson of yours reveal to allus po’ ignorant folks? You know, besides the neo-con BS that has already been exposed as a complete fraud, I mean…

Saying that I need a history lesson is not an argument, much less a refutation. It’s merely pouting.

No one who is that naive (or possibly so stupid) as Fuller was to make those remarks to journalist, is fit for high command in such a politically volatile environment. Esp after the recent spectacle of McChrystal flushing his career down the toilet…

Neo-con BS? You’re beloved Democrats walked hand in hand with the GOP every step of the way. I’m not saying it was worst the cost in American lives or money but Saddam was always an unstable nutjob and could have become a major international threat again.

As for your claims that the media isn’t biased, you’re flat out wrong there. Look around MSNBC for awhile.

It is an officer’s responsibility to tell the truth. When McCrystal was asked about the surge he made the case for it to the chagrin of the Pres. Was McCrystal wrong? He wasn’t told to be quiet but his comments made it clear the administration couldn’t go another direction without the public questioning that wisdom. They learned their lesson well and ensured no general officer commented about the risks of a full withdrawl from Iraq would entail.

Many civilians think officers can’t speak their mind. Honor and integrity demand that officers obey lawful orders but they also must tell the truth. Congress can easily get to the truth by calling officers to testify. Officers doing press briefings and such are a BAD precedent. Its also BAD for an administration to ignore military advice.

Could point JRL but why let facts mess up such a pretty little talking point?

Good (not could)

Agree with the jist fo your post but there are more soldiers in Korea and Afghanistan than Marines. How about putting the congressmen on float?

JRL — Maybe that’s the problem. Patton, Chesty Puller and a bunch of others would have had no problem calling it like it is. The troops and the nation loved them for it and our enemies didn’t take them lightly.

Its the fact that so many general officers are so concerned about their careers that we lack the advice needed to make good decisions or administrations are not held responsible for stupid decisions.

We have too many general officers that are great politicians/diplomats than warfighters.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Fuller sent over there to oversee the training of the Afghan military?

He was not there so he could be loved by Americans, or to strike fear into the heart of the enemy — he was there to work directly with the Afghan authorities, and as such, he had to know that anything he said would be subject to political scrutiny. Unless of course, he’s a complete idiot…

It may well be that too many generals are better at diplomacy than warfighting, but for that particular duty, ie; training the Afghan Army — a diplomatic general is precisely what is needed. Someone politically savvy enough to know when he should punch, and when he should not.

Different tasks require different skills, and it is clear that Fuller, despite whatever Pattonesque military skills he may possibly possess, does not have the right skill set for that particular job. Unfortunate for Fuller, but so it goes at the upper levels of command…

They’re not MY “beloved Democrats”, and while Saddam may have been a nutjob, but after being effectively neutered in Desert Storm, he was certainly no threat to anyone other than his own citizens. And with the sanctions in place, he was in no position to become a “major international threat”.

As for media bias — since when were people restricted to getting their news from MSNBC (largely owned by the liberal hippies running General Electric, I hear!)? Did Obama have ACORN shut down Fox News while I was asleep, or something?

Yes, Saddam would have peacefully minded his own business as Iran worked on acquiring nukes and ignored Al Qaeda over the last ten years.

ACORN is actually busy orchestrating the Wall Street protests right now. They do pass around pictures of Fox reporters though as they are afraid of being exposed… again.

JRL — Uh, you might not realize that US soldiers are training the Afghans. Those soldiers can’t tell their students what an idiot Karzai is. That would impact the mission but knowing soldiers it is a huge morale boost when your leader does your fighting for you. From their perspective and from a perspective of good leadership the general was doing the right thing.

You don’t know what obstacles the general has been dealing with in executing his mission. Karzai’s comments didn’t make that any easier.

The whole $800 hammer and toilet seat thing, is something we could really use more of now. Its an artificial notion that has its origins in accounting practices designed to reduce the per unit cost by taking R&D costs and pushing them over into sunk capital investments. Such that for every “$800 hammer” on the books, that was $791 that no longer needed to be split evenly between all aircraft built. When done on the scale it was, you can bring down the unit cost by several million dollars… the overall program cost remains the same, but it reduces the cost impact of changing the number of units you plan to build. There was never a $800 hammer, only an accounting practice that benefited our leaders indecisiveness.

In the AF, the term is “SHACK”!

JRL: yes, really. you wear your bias and its deleterious effect on your judgment on your sleeve. Any lesson I give you would not be pouting, would be for free, and I hope you could agree that our engagement with Iraq pre-dates and has larger political support than Bush & the neo-cons. The resolution authorizing OIF passed with overwhelming bipartisan support, Clinton used the same justifications for military action against Iraq throughout his presidency, and there is a long history of UN Sanctions establishing precedent for OIF. Further evidence of your bias can be found in your minimalization of Saddam as a “nutjob” (you’d probably put Sean Hannity & Bill O’Reilly in the same category, plus you conveniently leave Uday & Qusay out of the equation). You also seem to be ignorant and/or apathetic to Saddam’s bankrolling of suicide bombers, and how an escalation of the Arab/Israeli conflict has a very real possibility of spiraling into global war??

shrift? schauspiel? Never heard these words…
“Internecine”? and “skullduggery”? While I’ve heard these, I still needed to look them up as they are hardly everyday words… I hate reading articles that I need a dictionary to understand.
Sure, I could kinda figure these words out by their context, but who in the world talks like this?
I’m no 3rd grader, and I’m (obvioulsy) no language scholar, but these words seem more like he’s trying to impress than inform…

Question on the content I did understand though… with regards to the following statement;
“Today it seems almost unthinkable, and perhaps even illegal, that the military services would try to communicate this directly with a general audience”… my question is why would this be Illegal?

So the CEO of Lockheed Martin was personally responsible for the customer insisting that that system be approved for deployment?

If you want people to be fired over that issue then there’s a long list of people “responsible”, and as far as the pilots are concerned you’re one of them.

I’m not the industry schill for the status quo.

i dont think so. we already have enough general officers playing polotics instead of being general officers, and politicians trying to run the military. we need to seperate the two. westmorland is a perfect example of what we dont need

Generals who became elected officials would have their votes would be public record, so they will be accountable for their positions, as opposed to driving a political agenda from the shadows. The Constitution gives Congress the power to raise Army & Navies, and the President the power of Commander in Chief. The question is how do we get the best people in power to make the best votes for the best of the country? If generals want more power & better decision making & voting in this area, then they should run for office, as opposed to publicly underminining the political leadership while in uniform, thus violating the Oath of Office, as the article implies.

You might want to check a newspaper every now and then. GE doesn’t own NBC (or MSNBC) any more.

Hmmm Those defense firm CEOs who don’t know shit about the military… Ever hear of a company named “General Dynamics”? You might want to look into the background of their CEO. Then look at SAIC as well. Who runs F-35 for Lockheed?__You betta check yoself before you Wreck yoself

reader — we really need a specific case to determine illegality. If a subordinate disobeyed an order, gave up classified info or was insubordinate in his response he may be in violation of the UCMJ.

Not to be confused with giving an opinion before higher has thought that could be considered “disloyal” as an attempt to hamstring higher’s decision making. McKrstal’s opinion on the 40k troop surge could be an example of this.

Shinseki’s testimony that invading Iraq required 400k troops is an exceelnt example of what is expected of the professional officer. Shinseki was marginalized and made a lame duck by Rumsfeld in retaliation. Shinseki’s opinion was pretty much on target (as we’ll find was McKrystal’s and the advice of leaders not to abandon Iraq IMHO). Should the cuts become reality we should expect our Generals to give their best estimation when questioned by congress or resign and comment publicly.

BTW, not everything that came out of the Admiral’s revolt was good.

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