SecDef’s fleet warnings have already come true

SecDef’s fleet warnings have already come true

You never know what’s going to break through all the noise.

Secretary Panetta’s letter this week to Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina resonated with the Washington and national media, even though it contained nothing he, Gen. Dempsey and other top DoD and armed services advocates haven’t already been shouting from the rooftops.

McCain even thanked Panetta at Tuesday’s Senate Armed Services Committee hearing for finally including specifics about the potential consequences of budget sequestration — even though his letter said nothing definitive about what will happen. It raised the prospect that DoD could eliminate the F-35, the Air Force’s new bomber, the Littoral Combat Ship, the Ground Combat Vehicle, on and on and all the rest of it — an eye-grabbing list of programs with support across the Hill. Think tanks and white-paperists have been grinding out almost this same litany for more than a year. Nothing on it was surprising.


Not only that, Panetta’s warning about the the Navy and Air Force has already come true. If sequestration went into effect, he wrote, the Navy would have its smallest fleet since 1915. Well, it already does, and two consecutive chiefs of naval operations have been using that same talking point since 2009. Panetta warned sequestration would leave the Air Force with its smallest fleet ever. Well, its fleet of tactical aircraft already has been shrinking and aging for years, and if you took away its only lifelines — the F-35A and the new bomber — no wonder the situation would get worse.

In fact, smaller, older fleets are just the tip of the iceberg. Even before the debt ceiling and the super committee and the Doomsday Device, many skeptics doubted that either service could actually afford its plans for the coming decades. As we’ve talked about many times before, the Navy projects that it’s going to start running out of surface ships and submarines in the 2020s, faster than it can replace them. That’s assuming it could even afford any other ships besides its planned Ohio-replacement ballistic missile submarines. And the Air Force has to find a way to deal with the “bow wave” caused by its KC-46A tankers, F-35As and new next-generation bombers all coming into full production at around the same time. (Plus it’s going to have to replace Air Force One and who knows what else.)

In short, even with the normal budget growth the Pentagon had been counting on, the Navy and Air Force were in a dire fix. So if anything, Panetta is under-selling the potential danger of sequestration to the Navy and Air Force — rare indeed amid this fall’s budget hyperventilation around Washington. Maybe that’s politically wise; giving the full story might have prompted people to ask how the services could have emerged from a decade of record defense spending with smaller, older fleets.

The defense game already was complex and confusing, and the past few months have only deepened the feeling of vertigo. Panetta and President Obama are repeating to Asian allies that the U.S. is locked in as a stabilizing partner for the long-term. American Marines and airmen will be spending a lot more time in Australia. And yet Washington appears to be on the brink of gutting services that already were in a tricky spot to begin with. Would Congress and the administration really let it happen?

Or is all this just another “Indonesian shadow play,” as Gordon Adams called it, and if so — when will it be over?

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Here’s a thought.….SO WHAT? All of these arguments are based on either circular logic (we need it because we say we need it) or are done in a vacuum without any regard for current events or circumstance. Sure, we HAD a huge Air Force and Navy for the last 60 years, but for most of that time it served a purpose. During WWII to fight in two theaters; during the Cold War we needed a huge Air Force and Navy to counter the massive Soviet military. Today we don’t have any major enemies, the Mighty Soviet Navy and Air Forces are largely rusting hulks which have either been sold for parts or maintained to give the illusion of capability.

As for the emergence of China, they’re too busy stealing away our manufacturing and technology base to bother wasting their time attacking us miltiarily. After all why fight a war you’ll lose when we’ll just hand you anything you ask for.

In the real world there’s no such thing as your crystal ball.

Uhh.. your grasp of the effect of military capability on global politics is a bit lacking.

If it is well understood by all parties that we can’t project power to protect trading partners, allies or our own interests then we are no longer a serious consideration in regional politics.

The value of being able to back-up what you say is there regardless of whether or not you actually have to do it.

well and simply said rex

You don’t need a crystal ball.…..you need eyeballs and the ability to grasp math. You’re arguing a logical fallacy; after all if no one can know the future (a truth) any argument that we’re doing it wrong is invalidated because “who knows.” (An untruth) You’re not really responding to the principal of my argument, WE ARE NOT BASING THESE FORCE PROJECTIONS ON NEED……we’re basing them on abstract arguments and averages.

If you need 1,000 planes because the enemy has 800……that sounds right. If the enemy only has 200 planes and you tell me you need 15,000 I’m going to have to throw the BS flag.

China will have a much larger military (we are talking magnitude larger) than the US in ten years. We could manage with a smaller conventional force if we expanded our tactical nuclear forces which would be a great deterrence to a conventional attack. This would save us money, but we will need a Republican President to implement it as Obama lives in a fantasy nuclear weapon free world..

Time to save money there some things like new ships and some planes like the C model of the F-35 that are needed. There alot of politically motivated crap programs that are not. GCV APC, ICC carbine, and B model of the F-35 are not needed now dump them and give the money to programs that need funds.

WTF that has to do with what I said, I’ll never figure out. I’d recommend you actually take the time to read the article, and then read my response, then type a response. (Then again no one else does that here, why should you?)

While we certainly need to maintain enough force structure and capability to back up our agreements and “project power” when called to do so, what is at issue here is EXACTLY HOW MUCH POWER IS THAT? For my money it’s a whole heck of a lot less than we currently have; we could shrink the Navy and Air Force by 20% and still have 4x the Navy of anyone on the planet.

As for our “trading partners”, that’s just about everyone on the planet but North Korea and Iran. I have no problem standing with our allies, but it’s high time they started putting some money and effort into defending themselves.

The decision methodology over where and how much to invest is a joke, corrupted by incompetence and greedy special interests. The high level policy documents — the national security strategy, national military strategy etc. are too vague to be of substantive value. The bureaucratic Joint Capabilities Integration Development System, is ineptly managed, resulting in serious disconnects between “warfighter needs” “Joint Urgent Operational Needs Statements” and the acquisition priorities of the military Services. We are left with an unfair adhocracy, unbound my logic & fairness, that results in the Services committing the department, the warfighter, and taxpayers, into technologically immature gold plated weapon systems, based upon overreaction to “bogeyman” threats. Russia and China can produce bare bones prototypes that demonstrate leap ahead technology, and DoD will commit the entire Tacair modernization budget to counter the perceived threat.

Meanwhile, real opportunities to solve problems with fielded systems and capitalize on emerging technologies pass us by, and we are left to fight with ancient, decrepid weapon systems, while DoD treats us like jack*sses, dangling the “future” weapon system carrot in front of our nose. Cost & schedule overruns are disregarded as each program becomes “too big to fail”, kept alive more by political engineering than quality engineering. The toleration of failure begets more failure, which becomes institutionally tolerated. People who actually try to identify & solve problems with the system actually become “the enemy”. Realistic large scale live fire exercises do NOT take place, for they would expose the flaws of our fragile systems, resulting in more political problems for the Pentagon elite. Our joint forces are thrown together with their gear in ad hoc JTFs, untested & poorly prepared for the rigors of combat. The results of the failure of the acquisition system to properly organize, train, and equip our forces, the results on the battlefield, speak for themselves as to the insanity of how DoD is led & managed.

my last statement is actually better said “The results of the failure of “DoD leadership” “. The acquisition system is a scapegoat for the problem, not the root cause.

We don’t need to expand our tactical nuclear forces when we have enough nukes to blow the plant up a dozen times. The deterrent is that we have the ability to hit them with enough weapons to kill everyone in their country. Right now we have enough to kill everyone on the planet several times. After you have enough to nuke the world anything more is bravado and wasted billions.

We should neither reduce nor expand our force structure. The recent wars exposed our manpower & readiness gaps. Cutting back units would make this problem worse and likely result in repeat if not greater problems in the future. Instead we should focus on ensuring our operational units are properly organized trained and equipped. Right now we have a hollow force and tiered readiness. You can’t count on our forces to be ready & capable to accomplish the missions assigned to them, hence you have a decade of war and unsatisfactory results for all the price we have paid. The pursuit of excessively risky, technologically immature, gold plated systems, predictably ends up in failed, late, overbudget programs. If not canceled, they generally produce fewer systems than required, perpetuating the equipment shortage, and operation of systems waaay past logical system life times.

we have no deployed tactical nukes anymore thanks to our great leader

I guess I should have more explicit about my response.

I disagree that cutting existing force by 20% (or whatever you fancy) would maintain the required edge necessary to deter real nation-state threats such as China, Russia, Iran, N.Korea, et al.

If the objective was “do we have slightly more force than you”, then you would be correct but that is not how the political calculations are made and that is not how the world is shaped currently.

A significant reduction in our ability to project power has a significant impact on the political calculations of the rest of the world with lots of consequences spun from that.

I agree with a subtle part of your point in that the force structure (including spend and R&D) should reflect a strategy. We had a two-front war strategy after WWII, we had a fighting-the-bear strategy during the cold war, we had three-block-war strategy for the last two decades… our current strategy is slowly forming but I suspect it has a lot to do with looming resource wars between nation states and the rise of a third super power, but it’s not clear yet.

Leader(s), plural. The decision to eliminate tactical nukes has been a work in progress for about 25 years.

a grave mistake, as China and Russia are increasing their number of forward deployed small tactical nukes. Strategically we are overmatched.

Lance, the B model of the F-35 is needed by the Marine Corps.

Quote “It raised the prospect that DoD could eliminate the F-35..”

So if we eliminate the F-35A what do we do when the F-16s start falling out of the sky because they’ve been flying way too long? What do we do when the F-16s are going up against foreign fighters bought from Russia and China that are better than the F-16s? Read the newspaper and see that American pilots were shot down in an encounter with “name your enemy” and the U.S. jets were a generation behind this third world power. What a great future we have to look forward to. If we arent spending the money on new equipment for our armed services what are we spending it on? ObamaCare, Social Security, and Medicare? Now taking up 100% of the budget?

(1) With no real super power threat, the Navy OPTEMPO can be reduced. We don’t need ships on station 24/7. A prior Chief of Naval Operations changed ship maintenance philosophies to a combination of on-station and at-the-ready call ups. We can stand down to a partially on station (1/3 of the current force structure), with 2/3rds call up status.

(2) Why fight if we only wind up with our old enemies becoming our economic trading partners later? 58,000 dead in Vietnam to stop Communism. We now buy textiles and electronics from them and are best buddies. We should have let them take over Vietnam. The would have stopped at the water, until they had their own capitalist revolution. China today? Why the fear mongering. If you’re so afraid of China, stop shopping at Walmart and buying iPads.

(3) We need military leaders who can provide insights and wisedom, and, as our Founding Fathers believed, don’t get the nation engaged in “foreign adventures” (like Iraq) that “cost in blood and treasure” and “bankrupt the nation.” I support our men and women in uniform when they’re needed (and was one myself), but they’ve just become another and the most dangerous entitlement program of them all. Time for some critical analysis, which I thought Pennst98 started in his first posting.

Just remember that at the beginning of WWII, the U.S. had a small military. This caused the extreme loss of life at the beginning, until we caught up. We needed more up to date equipment and better trained personel, it is easy to say that a war with China would never happen, but they said the same thing about Japan. The wars of today, may not be the same as they were back then, but we still need to be equiped and trained.

No, they didn’t. Japan was engaged in a land war in Asia from 1931 on. Everyone paying attention to the Pacific Rim knew a war between US and Japan was inevitable years in advance. Modern China is not offering the same example at all.

Ignorance breeds fear and these people are just scared of the dark.
Perhaps that is why we cant win a war these days.

It’s funny that the same people that are scared of WW2 happening again (sorry folks it’s not going to) are the same ones running from Afghanistan and Iraq.

So you’re saying that “Strategically we are overmatched,” in the area of TACTICAL nuclear warheads?

But yes, the Russians have many more tac-nucs forward deployed than we do. In fact they have much greater total numbers of tactical warheads than we do, IIRC its something like a 10–1 ratio.

So what?

Is there any scenario where the use of a nuclear warhead (tactical, strategic or otherwise) against American forces would not be followed by global thermonuclear war?

The Russians have refused on many occasions to even consider reducing their tac-nuc stockpiles for many reason. One of those reasons is America’s total domination in conventional forces. Without all those tac-nucs for a security blanket the Russians would find it very hard to sleep at night.

I don’t agree with everything you are saying but I must give you credit for starting a conversation that must be had.

What are our needed troop levels?

If the Doomsday Device budget kicks in will we all die in a communist invasion the following day?

And wouldn’t the Doomsday Device budget levels return our military to the same spending levels it had in 2007? Where things that bad in 2007?

I understand that the military has a lot of problems but many of those problems where created by either the military or by their civilian leadership.

Much of this doom, gloom and the end is near talk reminds me of all the mismanaged corporations who were asking for a bailout a few years ago.

Yes that would suck. But lots of things about living in America suck right now but its still the greatest country on Earth. Maybe a 20% cut across the ENTIRE federal budget would be a good start.

we have no inability to win wars. accomplishing complex political objectives is a different matter.

20% cut across the ENTIRE federal budget would be a good start if it was aimed at Congress, useless Cabinet slots and their lackeys, (Agriculture, Commerce, Health and Human Services, Homeland Security, Housing and Urban Development, Interior, Labor, State, Transportation, Treasury, Attorney General) — probably save billions on SECST limos alone.

But don’t be fooled like in WWII. Hitler didn’t advertise his military buildup and neither is SCO.

we may be afraid to respond with ICBMs and would take our losses depending on the administration. China from what’s publically available finds the early use of small nuclear weapons useful in a conflict let’s say Taiwan straits. They may have a point and we should be able to respond in kind which would be a deterrent to an attack in the first place. We should develop and deploy small nukes which would also allow us to reduce our conventional forces and close forward bases and actually would allow us to reduce our defense budget. Presently our nuclear capabilities are eroding. Even the minuteman missiles don’t work and our competitors know it.

There is 40 years and 200+ live fire operational test sorties worth of data that says otherwise.

Pennst98, I completely agree with your premise that our “allies” should be putting up their fair share. While I think it might be shortsighted from a “geopolitic” standpoint, perhaps we should have no military commitment to defend any nation that spends less of their GNP on defense than we do! It feels emotionally right, if not politically or militarily sound.

The other thing to consider.… there are certain military truths that have been proven long before the budget debates flared in the US Congress. Id recommend a few evenings spent with “The Art of War”. Tzun Tzu more or less spelled out the fine principle of never offering an enemy, or potential enemy, a fair fight. Do the “ops analyst” thing and find that “minimum force structure” and you go a long way to presenting that credible “fair fight” that always seems to find at least one “taker”, even it that “taker” ultimately gets proven wrong at great cost of lives and money.

I watched a “24” episode last night where the President threatened the use of a nuke against a state sponsor of terror that denied having a connection to a terrorist that detonated a suitcase nuke in the US and had 3 more in possession. The threat resulted in the country caving in and capturing and interrogating one of their generals, leading to the capture of the terrorist and his nukes on US soil. If rogue nations believe that we will not use nuclear weapons short of the global thermonuclear option, then the aggression scenarios you outlined, and the predictable ‘graduated response’ that stretches out the conflict, killing more people, US service members, and wearing out our conventional forces, are more likely. LOL! What do I know though.. these types of gamesmanship decisions are made with people with higher clearance, knowledge, and experience, then me. Oh yeah!! Why is DoDBuzz censoring all my posts!!

Read the most recent USAF report on the readyness of the Minuteman III, truly scary.

Please provide me a link and a summary. Poor readiness (problems to be fixed) is a different conclusion than “even the minuteman missiles don’t work”. Plus these types of reports can often be sensationalized because that is the required tactic in order to get a modernization program funded.

What I find reprehensible in the budget debate is that it treats people who are dedicated to public service as if they were dispensable, as if their aspirations, interests, and needs do not matter at all. It is a terrible message to send to the young people in this country who are trying to sort out their lives and live out their ideals. Remember the “Me Generation” ? Well, how do you tell someone who has spent their entire professional life defending this country that sorry, we just don’t need you anymore, go find something else to do ? And how do you send that same message to the younger people who are not even near retirement age, “Sorry, you laid your life on the line, and it was a good run, but one in five of you has to go.” This burden will end up on the shoulders of the individuals and communities who represent the best in America, who have suffered the most, worked the hardest, and whose compensation is really not all that great when you get right down to it. And, then, when they become contractors, you treat them with even more disrespect.

Spending on social programs (ObamaCare, Social Security, Medicare, and others) should take up so much of our budget that we can’t defend the country anymore. I am happy we have drawn down in Iraq and will draw down too in Afghanistan in 2014. The money that we were spending in operations there should be redirected to buying more planes (F-35A, F-16E/F, F-15SE) for the Air Force and more ships and planes (F-35C, F/A-18E/F) for the Navy. Including the F-35B for the Marines.

Well put.

It’s just laughable how fools believe we have no major threats and don’t need any military assets. You’re probably all the same ones who voted in the current Commander in Thief. The ignorance of the American people never surprises me.

it was in defensenews​.com about 4 to 5 weeks ago

Why do you spell his name “Tzun Tzu” vs Sun Tzu? What is this “ops analyst” thing anyway and are all “ops analysts” the same??

Changqing or SunWu or SunZi, or by any other latinization of the Chinese glyphs would say the same in his timeless tome.For me, the “ops analyst” will always be epitomized in military matters by McNamara’s Whiz Kids. They cranked all of the numbers and proved to anyones satisfaction that all we needed to win in SEA was to count the most body bags.… We all know how that brilliant deduction worked out. No, all ops analysts are NOT the same. Some recognize the limits of their numerically rigorous, academically supportable, and technically superior analytical processes, some don’t.

Your first use of the term seems to be an unfair generalization. Do you believe there are some ops analysts today who conduct themselves in the manner of the whiz kids and who would they be? Can you provide any examples of ops analysts who have calculated these minimum force structures, fair fights, and takers??

A stong worldwide naval presence does help deter aggression and resolve crisis situations and as one former CNO observed “quantity has a quality all its own.” Recent examples include rescues from and thrwarting of piracy, response to natural/nuclear disaster in Japan, and support of operations in Libya, including the rescue of an Air Force F-15 pilot by a Marine V-22 crew flying on a Navy ship offshore. One can also easily see China declaring its soverignty over international waters and all associated undersea resources and allowing commerce through these waters only on their terms; in effect exercising tyrannical rule over a major portion of the global economy and the associated polity.

(cont.) All of these actual and plausibe scenarios do not represent our own requirements, but rather depict a need by us to protect U.S. economic and political interests in a global and very interconnected economy. We live in a dangerous world full of tyrants and exremists with no respect for or acknowledgment of basic human dignity and natural human rights, to include freedom of religion and freedom of commerce. It’s clearly a balance. We can’t afford to be the world’s police force. But we also must not put our founding precepts and our fate as a nation in the hands of other political entities either. In this world, that means a global military capability and presence.

Today’s “Whiz Kids” would be those who run the “campaign models” and solemnly pronounce that 118 F-22s, and 347 F-35s, and 35 LCSs, and 21 DDG-1000s will provide a totally effective deterrent force against any possible Chinese militarism in 2035! (and not one more fighter or ship would be necessary!) So long as the “mix” gives that 0.01% advantage in kill ratio, everyone KNOWS that nobody would take the chance of loosing against those odds! And after all, the high resolution 6-dof modeling conclusively shows that when all of the enemies are k-kills we would have ONE LCS limping home, on fire and sinking!

Admittedly, its an exaggeration, but the example fits, YOU can of course fill in the precise numbers and weapon systems to be modeled and analyzed and pronounced adequate. ;-)

Will congress and the President listen? Likely not.

well there are lots of different types of people with a 1515 career series, 61XX AFSC, MOS49A, etc.. Generalizations & disparing exaggerations of a career field are not going to make the world a better place. I don’t know much about campaign models, but alot of times the ORSA is forced to tell the senior leader what the senior leader wants to hear. Doing otherwise is often a career-limiting maneuver.

And the career of the fine 1515 is far more important than the results of the decision that is going to be made anyway, with or without the “support” of the analytical finding. Right?

The boss wants to know that we are winning the war, so… there were 50 GIs killed in Quang Tri this week, so we have to have pictures of 250 NVA KIAs, no matter now many dead dogs, or bundles of tree limbs have to be thrown into the body bags! :-) Yep, make sure that the counting process is conducted and logged in accordance with the approved processes with all of the right “boxes” checked.… What the boss wants, the boss gets.… of course! Got to make all of those career enhancing maneuvers, right?

you’ve identified the root cause of the problem is the “boss”. alot of times this is not about career enhancement, is it about personal survival. as we’ve already established, not all ORSAs are equal. many do provide the good, bad, and ugly about the analysis regardless of the consequences. Your disparaging remarks towards the ops analyst career field in general is unwarranted.

LOL! I think not, but of course you may have your own opinion, supported by a fine appreciation of the proper processes and a simulation proving your point!

you think what not? that you made disparaging remarks or that it was unwarranted? No processes nor simulation needed here. Just trying to follow your logic. Because some ORSAs and the Whiz Kids provide bad analysis at the behest of crooked politicians that can put them in duress, somehow you generalize that ORSAs are loathsome careerists that do an ‘ops analyst thing’ that causes minimal force estimations that is the root of evil in the world.

I forgot to add “simulation peddling process weenies” after “loathsome” to your apparent regard for ORSAs.

we should also add “schoolmarmy” to the list of adjectives.

No, this was a logical conclusion from what you, Chaostician, had said. Please accept that it is you who lost the argument, and that it is your fault. But the real problem here is not whether or not one can lie with statistics. The problem is that analysis is no substitute for engineering. What did Bob McNamara’s methods do, in fact, for the Ford product line ? Yes, they improved the efficiency of the production line, but crushed out creativity and innovation in the design bureau. Why ? Because statistical control, the original Ford term, works great for logistics — but war is a social phenomenon, not easily reduced to logistical formulae. What you end up with is exactly what we are threatened with in DoD — an enterprise so penny wise and pound foolish that it liquidates itself. Ironically, the Ford Motor Company of today is the only auto manufacturing firm in Detroit to have survived the devastation of Harvard Business School practices. By returning to their core business, making cars, Ford saved itself, the only really viable domestic auto manufacturer left in America.

Can we agree that “Ops Analysts”, or even more generally “Analysis” create models & simulations that can be used for forecasting, which aids decision making? Here is the ABET definition of “Engineering” — “[T]he creative application of scientific principles to design or develop structures, machines, apparatus, or manufacturing processes, or works utilizing them singly or in combination; or to construct or operate the same with full cognizance of their design; or to forecast their behavior under specific operating conditions”. Conclusion — Analysis is Engineering. Hence your assertion ” analysis is no substitute for engineering” is nonsensical. The actual phenomena that we often witness is the rush to do “engineering” in a narrower sense, on shaky “analysis”.

“Statistical control” in the Henry Ford era predated even The Theory of Relativity, Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, and the creation of Monte Carlo SImulation methods. The “statistical control” and “war modeling” limitations, the error of false precision, that you and USAF both describe are actually understood & can be accounted by any ORSA worth a lick. It is the politicization of the science, the corruption of leadership, that is the root cause of poor decision making. I will join you in criticism of McNamara and rigid adherence to HBS “Best practices”. Col Boyd himself was highly skeptical of doctrine, as it becomes dogma, and acknowledged the limitations of his own theories in his essay on “Creation and Destruction”, which explains social and scientific progress as the creation of paradigms, the eventual collapse of those paradigms, and the development of new paradigms (progress). Knocking the “Ops Analyst” career field in general won’t solve the root of the problem, and the smearing of the profession is offensive.

Are we to believe DoD is actually looking at tightening their belts? I don’t see them talking about even the simplest things like combining Navy & AF Depots, getting rid of Direct Reporting Units, the Blue Angels & Thunderbirds, stand alone Reserve Bases. Nor are they talking about streamlining the acquisition processes including how they do bids for pencils. No, indeed it’s about their self preservation; don’t rock the boat, point to platforms they want versus looking at their broken organizational structure which is completely top heavy. They have 0–6’s doing what 0-3s should be doing. My observation is most of the management at HQ’s and the pentagon are in their utility uniform standing in the doughnut lines at Industry days, needless meetings and symposiums at Hyatt & Sheratons across the globe. When you ask DoD to analyze itself you get self preservation, not actual solutions to cost savings. For example, just exactly how much more capable is a F-35 to a Block 60 F-16, and just name the impact the AV-8B has had on USMC operations that the F-35B is a “must” have. And if it’s that important why not replace the F-18. DoD has NOT offered cost reducing solutions. Pointing to weapon systems is old school, but it doesn’t answer the mail, they can easily cut $450B over 10 years by getting rid of its non-essential work force at all HQs, reducing its rank structure, working across service lines to capture synergies and getting rid of needless programs like the Blue Angels, Thunderbirds, et al, et al, et al.

Yes right on ShadowB

Now is the time to streamline the DOD while tens of thousands are retiring. A hollow military is when the bases and flight lines have little inventory yet at the same time the halls of the acquistion commnds are bustling with tens of thousand sof oversight personnel who will be reviewing power point charts.

Fortunately, WWI was the “War to End All Wars.” So I guess WW2 actually didn’t happen either…right?

Yea the losing side always has excuses about how they didn’t really lose, but it’s just pathetic.

It’s like this, we have 18 carriers, we use 12

but only need 6.

No, we have 11 carriers (soon to be 10), use all of them that are available but need 15 to ensure we always have enough available.

“always have enough available” for what? So a few more redundant admirals can stoke their egos splitting atoms at the taxpayer’s expense? Do you have any idea of how many tens of billions it would cost to build, man, and operate another 4 (or 5) carrier battle groups?

There are no plausible threats, current or imminent, that require more USN carrier battle groups, and when you’re borrowing 40 cents of every dollar you spend… but hey, maybe you’re right, and there is an urgent need for more supercarriers. I guess we’ll just have to cancel that insatiable financial black hole known as the JSF Program to free up the necessary funds…

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