Doomsday is nigh

Doomsday is nigh

The super committee was Washington’s last, best hope to save our beloved Republic from penury. It failed.

Now, the coming weeks will play out like the third act of the worst action movie you’ve ever seen. Remember that terrible Christian Slater vehicle from a few years ago in which he played a secret agent with a dual personality, and in his other personality he’s a bad guy or something? That’s Congress.

As the villain, Congress lashed the Pentagon into a James Bond-style death contraption — let’s say onto giant clockwork gears, clanking ever closer to oblivion — and then in its hero mode, Congress tied itself up nearby to force itself to watch. Will Christian Slater Congress regain its senses in time to save its beloved Pentagon? Or will DoD be ground into mush by $950 billion in reduced budget growth over the next decade?


Melodramatic? Absolutely — but the little scene we’ve spitballed here is nothing compared to the apocalyptic language we’ve heard both from the Building and from defense advocates up on the Hill. Sequestration would “be shooting ourselves in the head,” as Secretary Panetta told Senate lawmakers — it’ll mean a million jobs lost, or more — it’ll make the U.S. vulnerable to actual villains in the real world, not just cardboard TV bad guys.

Well, maybe. Now that sequestration looks like it’s going to be triggered — though it wouldn’t go into effect until January of 2013 — it’ll be interesting to see whether all this rhetoric goes away or gets ratcheted even higher. Defense advocates and an apparently growing number of their congressional allies want to use the delay between the activation and implementation of sequester to stop the gears and rescue the Pentagon.

But DoD isn’t the only federal agency in danger from the Doomsday Device — here’s how POLITICO set the scene for the coming year, per Mike Allen’s daily “Playbook” tipsheet:

The supercommittee’s failure “will spark a messy year-end rush to prevent key programs from expiring, and intensifying efforts by disparate groups of lawmakers to push competing deficit-cutting proposals. On the legislative docket: extending unemployment insurance, fixing the Alternative Minimum Tax, reforming the reimbursement formula for physicians who treat Medicare patients and maintaining a payroll tax break first enacted in 2009. All of these expensive provisions are slated to expire at year’s end and had been under consideration by the supercommittee under its fast-track procedures. … [Now], Congress will have to confront these matters individually in the middle of a packed year-end legislative blitz and as funding for the entire government runs out Dec. 16. … Republicans … will continue their uphill climb to try to prevent the Bush-era tax cuts from expiring at the end of [2012].

“Plus, there’s a growing push by defense hawks to blunt the so-called ‘sequester’ that would slice $600 billion out of Pentagon programs starting in 2013 … The conservative Wall Street Journal editorial page Friday appeared to give some cover, indicating that the cuts to defense spending are not so bad. Even though the cuts in the trigger don’t go into effect until 2013, the Pentagon has to start cutting. The Defense Department says it’ll have to cut 200,000 troops in 2012. That has defense hawks vowing to spend 2012 reversing it. … Republicans are considering packaging unemployment benefits and the so-called ‘doc fix’ with a bill filled with spending cuts — a duel-headed strategy to lessen the impact of the sequester by crafting a bill Obama could not turn down. Attaching the AMT and other measures could be a possibility.”

So Congress’ dead man’s switch may not mean curtains for the Pentagon, but it also means that everybody else in town also will scramble to protect their rice bowls before 2013. In an election-year environment when, let’s be honest, voters don’t really care about defense issues, will that mean DoD can sneak out of the trap unobserved, or will it be doomed because it’s at the bottom of the priorities list?

Tune in again to find out — same Bat time, same Bat channel!

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so the super committee, comprised of far right republicans and far left democrats fails to find common ground for deficit reductions.….….… and we thought something different would happen? this country is being screwed by a small vocal minority because the majority does not really care. don’t believe me, check how many Americans are registered to vote and how many actually do vote.

we as Americans are letting the tea party, occupy, PETA, NRA, ACLU, and every other fringe orgainization run this country because they scream the loudest. this needs to stop and we need to grow up and learn to live with each other.

an american soldier, sailor, airman, or marine will die today for you to continue the right to remain silent.

Perhaps when it becomes obvious to even the average US voter that the folks voted into office (on both sides of the aisle) are more interested in playing their own brand of partisan politics than doing their job, the voters will have a chance to express their opinions, loudly and clearly at the ballot box. This “supercommittee” was just an attempt to allow the congress in general to “abstain” from the issues, and hopefuly if it fails in its charter, this hidden agenda will also fail! The purpose of the Congress, as defined in the Constitution, is to pass laws and in this case, the budget. To achieve that purpose, the members have almost always got to find that art of compromise, so alien to our current “attack dog” political mindset, that says that there is a higher purpose than the next sound bite or political posturing.

I’ve got a sneaky feeling that there might just be some big differences after the next election.

Doesn’t get us by the issue looming on the immediate horizon, but might address the next one on the table.… .

You have to love Ewing’s inability to understand allegory,

>The super committee was Washington’s last, best hope to save our beloved Republic from penury. It failed.

Penury — that is where you are broke because you refused to make cuts the opposite of what the cuts do.

And yes lets not throw the dead mans switch designed to save the runaway budget waste train so that the it can roll on to an even bigger and better smash.

The special interest histrionics can be ignored, the automatic cuts are pretty much in line what the average American taxpayer would want and the level of cuts that will be required soon mean that $600B will not even be mentioned.

Once the cuts are in place resulting in less military waste and a far better national security outcome many more cuts can be made creating a virtuous cycle.

DC2 Jennings: Very well said; I see not everybody in this country is asleep at the wheel. Most Americans can’t tell you who represents them in Congress, but they can tell you what Snooki did on Jersey Shore.

That’s what the fringe wants, a bunch of brain-dead, “reality” TV show junkies!

Because you’ve always been in tune with the average American taxpayer itfunk/oblat, sure…

Many more cuts can be made creating a virtuous cycle? Are you really this braindead? It didn’t and still doesn’t work for the UK. Giving the US military much less to work with while maintaining all of our foreign commitments isn’t a far better national security outcome, although maybe it is for whatever country you’re representing here.

You are Grover Norquist, and I claim my five pounds.

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Don’t hammer Congress too badly. They DID declare that a school lunch pizza qualifies as a vegetable. Small victories…

he military is more resilient than you think. Because some general cant get a new APC gun or helicopter in doesn’t mean were finished. We can hold our own for 5 years and then can work to get new projects in again. Enough with all this dooms day crap.

The Fy12 Budget authority requested Was $553billion and $118billion for OCO. When one takes the time to READ the Budget Control Act of 2011 it states” FY13 Budget Authority for Security(not inlcuding OCO) is $546billion, for FY14 it states $556billion, FY15 it states $556 billion.….so on. The only thing that Congress is talking about is slowing down the mass proposed increases in the DOD budget. Stop the whining and come up with a new framework for how the 1940s Pentagon can be organized. The entire British Army is smaller than our Marine Corps.

And if they had a single razor blade between them, they might, collectively, be able to find their way out of a wet paper bag!

Honestly, now, if you or I, or anyone else, failed as miserably as Congress at performing our publicly declared, and in their cases, constitutionally mandated, jobs, could we hope to remain employed?

Or as we used to say in Mechanical Engineering classes…. got a bigger hammer? LOL!

The 10 year bond rate is down saving us money, Standard and Poors are relieved that the cuts will occur and they wont have to downgrade the US another two notches and even the Republicans are saying that the cuts are “a moral obligation”.

Seems the only people who are out of step in America are the contractors, who wave the flag but forever only consider their own profits.

According to a Foxnews piece on the matter, the sequestration works out to $55 billion a year taken from the DoD.

On September 10th 2001 a day before the WTC attacks SecDef Rumsfeld gave a speech that described the huge wasteful Pentagon and what we needed to bring it under control. We need for the ideas to come to light now that the rag tags that attacked us are under control. The speech is on Defenselink.

The Congress who voted for the Budget Control Act should stick by their vote. Follow the law they enacted and not cave in to the DOD Bureacrats and Industry millionaires.

According to a Foxnews piece on the matter, the sequestration works out to $55 billion a year taken from the DoD.

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God, I hope you’re right TMB.

lol. I’m a Democrat and I’m hoping Fox News is right. :P

It is over the committee has fail to reach a arrangement. So the only hope how remains is the defeat of Obama. Sorry but i have never seen such a Insane Idiot in my entire live except dictators and many of them were more rational them this so called savior (Obama). My prospects are simple, barring a miracle happens the USA is from now the 21.11.2011 not longer the World Leader and dominant nation on earth. The problem is how irresponsible and insane the Cuts are they will get reality them Obama win with and this absolutely devastating effect.

The real Cut since based on the The Congressional Budget projection line:
450 Billions how are already decided and another 497 Billions how will come now as consequence of the trigger. This make 947 Billions in Cuts over 10 Years ! And this mean the fallowing Things.

To make it short:

USAF:
the Next Gen Bomber is dead

The F35 is also dead

The B1 is gone
The active fighter fleet will be reduce by 30% or more and later fall below 1000 Fighters.

US-NAVY:
The SSBNX will delayed

The buy of the Virginia SSN will be reduce by one peer year or less.

2 or 3 carrier and there Air Wings will ant there Carrier Groups will be retired.

The DDG-51 Program Block will also killed

The LCS buy will be reduced

A bit later the Navy will fall below 230 ships

The USMC:

Will fall below 150.000 Soldier and lose there entire modernization program and a lot of Ships.

The US-ARMY:

Will lose there entire modernization Program and nearly all heavy Brigades.

US Space:

Will also completely devastated.

The Defense Industry:

Will lose there ability and know how to produce high ends weapons the same they have seen in the UK.

And now to the so called Savings how much will save all this insane bullshit ? So my prospects are the fallowing by Year:

2013 –about 95 Billions
2014 — about 52 Bilions
2015 — about 10 Billions
2016 — nothing why the healtcare and Social Security Coust Overruns will alredy eat all so called savings by this date.

To the End the USA will fix there unplayable Healtcare and Social Security Programs but before this will happen the Obama party will cannibalize every other Budgeht and at the end the USA will be not more them a poor country devastating by dept crisis and without a real influence in the World.

It’s hard to say what’s really a “cut” or “savings” when they’re advertising “savings” as not paying interest on money they don’t plan on spending, rather than spending less than they are now! If I’m reading this right, a lot of the “doomsday switch” isn’t actual cuts, but rather promises to not spend more than they are now and calling it a cut.

Because we all know that THE way to fix your economy is to BUY MORE BOMBERS ! LOL

Tell me why the extra 3–4% reduction in the defense budget during the next 10 years will result in the end of the world as we know it. A small reduction in the defense industry profit and some reasonable reorganization of the way our forces are structured would still provide a formidable force.

Defense, not including war spending, is already close to post Cold War lows as a percentage of the economy while welfare. social security, medicare, medicaid and non defense discretionary spending is at an all time high.

What should be cut?

Good Evening Folks,

Big tears for all the butternuts, our beloved Pentagon…give me a friggen break. It looks like President Obama who all of you detest will come to your rescue so you don’t have to wear time foil hats around.

I noticed non of you mentioned the $6.8 trillion din debt from the beloved Bush Administration that went to save the top 1%‘s fortunes after the walked away from the crap table of speculative investments. If that money wasn’t spent all of you butternuts could have all the toys that go boom you want.

The Pentagon will survive, after all war is the worlds second oldest profession.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

As we all have participated in forms regarding social, political, military, cultural affairs we always come across the “know it all” with his pretentious script. We feed his ego with our counter points for which the precocious adolescent now an adult either dismisses or fails to acknowledge, pontificates with opinion as truths. For there is no accountability, no consequence for being obnoxious and anonymous. So if you want to continue bearing with his ego, continue to debate hoping to win the argument you have a better chance of winning the lottery

Amen!

Did anyone expect anything out of the Stupor Committee? With Lurch and the eleven
Morons this thing was going no where. Time to clean house, both party’s!

If I propose a 20% budget increase per year (disregarding inflation), then I take a 10% cut, I’m still 10% ahead. ; )

It is the GOP fault’s. No new taxes and the military will be wrecked beyond recognition. No more voting for Republicans for me

proof please on non-entitlement discretionary spending being at an all time high.

social security and medicare are at an all time high because baby boomers are retiring (the largest population of retirees since the creation of social security) and the increase in medical costs.

welfare and medicaid are increasing because we are in a recession.…. where more people are in need of TEMPORARY government assistance.

BTW, the wealthiest people in this country are also paying less than they ever have. while the tax burden has shifted to the middle class. you didn’t mention that though.

i do agree we do not spend enough of defense, but i don’t think we spend enough on “discretionary” spending either.

bottom line: there is no easy answer and starving the beast is not a solution.

I have not read the article yet (will after I type this) but the picture that is with this article is quite awesome.

DoD’s financial statements were unauditable (FY 2010) — so, no one really knows where the money went. If DoD can’t account, how can they tell if there will be any “net’ loss? just sayin …

I guess with Trafficant being in jail, the title (Lurch) went to Kerry by default?

100B or so (the already agreed to 400B plus the sequestration 600B totals 1T) per year is far far more than 3–4%. Whats more, since things like pensions and medical to already retired military is a fixed cost within the budget, the procurement acounts get squeezed very very tightly. When all is said and done, I expect the procurement funds to drop by 30 to 40 percent. And remember that many of the major platforms are very old and must be replaced. Airborne tankers and B-52s are up around 50 years old, not the design, the actual airframes. Minuteman Missiles and some ships are also over 40 years old.

Citation please on the middle class of the tax burden. Statistics that I’ve seen say that much of the missle class pay little in Federal Income taxes, the tax that funds the US Federal budget.

The Dems were just as useless in terms of refusing any sort of compromise.

Doomsday??? If there’s a “Doomsday”,it wil be from the reluctant hand,of this mighty nation.

Well, there has been an Arab spring, maybe it’s time for an American spring too.

Actually, Byron, war is the oldest profession. The fight was over the woman who likes to say she started the oldest profession.

The training and maintenance budgets are usually the first to go. That is how we got through the 1990s. Expensive new weapons were saved and repair parts, fuel, and ammunition were eliminated.

(1) If you look at and read the Pentagon’s budget books available on their website, you’ll see where all the money went. Auditable books will reveal nothing more, and are not used in decisionmaking anyway.
(2) Obama is just the latest in a series of relatively incompetent presidents, who cater to the public solely for the purpose of getting re-elected. To break the pattern, we need a president who can announce he is NOT running for re-election so he can do the right thing. If he does, he will get re-elected without spending a dollar.
(3) A 10% cut to the defense budget is easy. We need to cut the force structure down to about 900,000, with a third of that constituting a new operational National Guard. With no real threats, eliminate the rest of the personnel like we should have done after the collapse of the Soviet Union. That leaves plenty of money for modernization and sustainment.

From Turbotax:

“A look at the data on tax distribution in the United States, for instance, reveals that high income individuals pay an enormously disproportionate amount of total income taxes in the country. The Tax Foundation’s Fiscal Facts report shows that the top 1% of income earners (1,410,710 people) pay 40.42% of all income taxes in the United States. The top 2.5% (5,642,839 people) pay 20.20% of total income taxes, while the top 5% (a combined 7,053,549 people) pay 60%. The top 10% as a whole pays 71.22%, while the bottom 50% of taxpayers account for only 2.89% of all income taxes.”

There’s some further analysis to go with this if you read the links. Basically, “the 1%” are providing and have always provided the majority of the tax revenue. The “burden” is that the middle class misses their money more than those top earners.
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That’s the formula for the $1.2 trillion in “cuts” in a nutshell.

The Dems countered the GOP’s “no new taxes” with “raise taxes and invent new spending to go with it.” And by extension, it’s also your fault for voting those Republicans you no longer like into office. Funny how this democracy thing is supposed to work, isn’t it?

think NATO will fly air cover (kidding)?

Logic would say that 3–4-5 or maybe even 10% SHOULD be survivable, but the problem is to determine HOW to find that spare change in the cookie jar. For some acquisition programs, particularly those actually in production, a 10% cut on procurement dollars might well be the straw that breaks the camels back not so much because of the dollars as the disruption of the production and delivery schedule not just for the primes but for all of their suppliers. Break any of the “supply chains” and the final deliveries become impossible.

Ok i will give my best to explain it.

First they speak not about a reduction off 3–4% they speak off a reduction of more them 100 Billions and this is about 20% of the base budget.

Second they have not 1990, 1990 red China was a 3 World Country, the UDSSR on the brink of dead and the largest part of the US Equipment Up to date as consequence of the Reagan buildup and also was the Force about more them 1 Million Men bigger and the Navy and USAF more them two times larger them today.

For example the Navy had 1990 nearly 600 Ships and 15 of them there Carriers another 100 SSNs and more them 200 surface warships. Today the has just 284 Ships and this Number will fall without of new Cuts rapidly why many of this ships are old and will come around 2015–2020 to the end of there lifetime.

Another example the Air force have today a seven time smaller Bomber fleet and a two times smaller figther and older fleet them 1990. The largest part about 80% of the USAF Fighter are older them 20 years and use up in the Iraq and Afghanistan Campaign and they must replaced all around 2015–2025 as consequence the since of the USAF will also fall without any cuts. To be more specific on the USAF the largest part of the USAF are outdated F15, F16, A10 and nearly all there build at the beginning or at the End of the Reagan Era. In the last 10 Years the USAF was only unable to get just 160 new Fighter based on a 5 Generation Design and this are all not really complete F22. And the largest part of the US Military Base Budget are Salary, Maintenance and Tricare costs the remaining rest about 160 Billions are for procurement and research and this are near on the since of the trigger cuts. With other Words the US Military will them the trigger cuts get real enable to procure new equipment and so it will lose more them the half of his Equipment due to aging in the next 10 Years . It will bee a disaster comparable with the decline of the Russian Military from 1990 to 2001.

And the biggest Problem are now the enemies (Red China and Russia) how has rise again and how massively rise there Military Budgets Year by Year. For example China rise is Budget year by year by more them 10% and they get for every spend Dollar much more them the USA. To make it quick, the US Military faces the perfect storm as consequence of a inability to rebuild the Force how was crippled by the peace dividend of the Clinton years now the USA has a Force how is much weaker, much older, and much smaller them the force 1990 but also more expensive.

Say anything you want about DoD cuts but don’t allow the cuts to go so deep that we are once again a fighting force like we had under Carter.

How can this country have any confidence in Congress when they are allowed to make investments based on insider trading info? As they write the laws and budgets for this country they are allowed to make money off of their own decisions! This is plain BS and means only one thing to me and that is they aren’t thinking about whats good for the country but what is good for themselves.

I agree with you on the latter. I never thought the Republicans liked a weak and timid America. The only thing which worked in this country was the military. Watch “the day after”,

If you think any service member is dying for any of our rights you’re simply ignorant. No war in our immediate history has involved any of our rights; to believe otherwise is to display the most basic ignorance.

Obamas Policy of making more people Dependent on Government Social Programsis MORE IMPORTANT than Defending the people of the United States go figure that one. Socialists ring a bell here

uhhh your missing my point. maybe, just maybe, if the fringes of society didn’t speak as loudly and the majority of americans let their voices be heard then those service memebers would not be dying. so keep talking trash and spewing insults. that’s what has got us here in the first place.

Our country needs a military dictator to straighten this mess out. No more politicians worrying about reelection. Line them up and SHOOT them. That will spread the message. Then, any company that tries to leave the US gets blackballed, heavy tariffs. Close the borders. Dump any and all excess funds into R and D, and educations. No more loopholes. You dont like it, you get shot. People will bash me for this but hey, the current system is broken, stupid. We need a change that no one will like but will get RESULTS. period.

Learn to read and write English… idiots like you with your opinions are the problem

So you want the US to become.… Burma

Great plan LOL

You are exactly ritght but, I am not sure how we fix it. Our society is so ignorant of what made us great to beging with they are letting it go by the way. I feel there are not enough of us left who really care. If so, we would all head to the ballot box this election and vote every one of the current reps and politicos out and start over. We need to get common folk back to running things with common sense and not greed. Greed will and is bringing us down.

No doubt in Libertaria, it will be really easy for all of those who get put out of work to find jobs — NOT. And real estate prices in Virginia, Florida, Texas and California will rise — NOT. And everyone will be able to retire at 62 because they’ve made their money buying and holding equities — NOT. And so we’ll all be able to exercise soft power through the NGO of our choice — NOT.

Why do you assume the “rag tags” are under control?

Errrr…. Zman, sir! You are REALLY surprised that many of our congressmen (congressladies?) are interested in doing well for themselves rather than the nation at large and particularly the DoD???? You dont say! I’m shocked!! (well, appalled anyway…)

When you have the constitutional imperitive to “make the rules” with very few constitutionally mandated and enforceable restrictions on those rules, it only takes a few bad apples to make the whole barrel smell terribly. Perhaps it might be useful to remind some of these elected officials that they also serve “at the pleasure” of the citizens and that the devine right of kings was never offered. :-)

What about a new “rule” that says that all of the rules (aka “laws”) that apply to the common citizen apply equally to all of their elected representatives? Now THAT would ruffle some feathers, huh! :-)

The FED/Crew (banksters) are having so much fun — while LYING and THEIVING $7.7 Trillion — trying to find the bottom of the money bag though — it’s like a bottomless pit. And, no one is trying to stop them???

All we need to know is what POTUS George said (~) “the last act of a government is to loot the Treasury.”

Don’t believe me: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011–11-28/secret-f…

Doomsday is nigh!? After they bail the EU, yeah. Thank you US taxpayer (suckers).

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