Brace for heavy weather

Brace for heavy weather

“Elections have consequences” — so then-new Republican House members liked to say earlier this year about locking the focus of Washington on spending and debt, where it has mostly stayed.

President Obama might have issued this amendment: “Failure has consequences.” If you thought the surrender of the super committee meant Congress could just lay down the pistol it has pointed at its own face and go back to comfortable gridlock — “No,” Obama said Monday.

The president promised to veto any attempt to repeal or void or block the now-ubiquitous budget “sequestration” triggered by the failure of the super committee, setting up a 500 mile-per-hour game of chicken with Republican opponents. “You wanna get nuts?” Obama effectively asked Congress, channeling Michael Keaton’s Bruce Wayne. “Let’s get nuts!”


This is governing in the second decade of the 21st century: So-called “hostage taker” Republicans were willing to shut down the government and default on the U.S. debt if they didn’t get what they wanted — eventually leading to the now-disgraced super committee. These kinds of tactics are an arms race, not a negotiation, so Obama believes he must leave the Pentagon tied to Monday’s clockwork gears of death in order to get his opponents to take their jobs seriously.

Make no mistake: The president and Secretary Panetta say they both oppose sequestration — the White House and the Pentagon both made clear Monday they understand that almost $1 trillion in reduced DoD budget growth over the next ten years would have dire consequences for the force. And yet Obama and Panetta both want to keep that threat alive as an incentive for the full Congress.

The rules of the game could give the edge to the president: Even if Obama does not win reelection next November, he’d stay in office until January of 2013. That’s when the Sword of Damocles would finally fall on Washington — in fact, if Obama loses, the sequester might be one of the final events of his administration. So even if Republicans’ strategy were to wait until the presidential election in the hopes that one of their guys gets in, the new GOP president might not be inaugurated in time to sign a bill changing the budget cuts — assuming a new Congress could even act quickly enough to blunt them.

In the meantime, DoD and other federal agencies now have to spend the next year unsure about how to draft their budgets and long-term plans. If the whole Congress can’t agree on an alternate deal to reduce the debt by $1.2 trillion  and get the president’s assent to void sequestration, that means a roughly $100 billion cut to DoD’s projected fiscal 2013 budget, Panetta wrote Republican Sens. John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

What’s more, Congress would have to authorize DoD to apportion and reprogram its budgets accordingly — “current law does not provide flexibility,” Panetta wrote. So if the whole Congress also failed to get an alternative deal for $1.2 trillion and it looked like sequestration would kick in, would Obama at least sign a bill that authorized DoD to rearrange its deck chairs? Or would Obama and Panetta eventually be the ones to flinch and try to come to terms at the last minute to prevent the sequester? Or, if Republicans took full control of Congress and the White House, could they turn back time and retroactively erase all the danger to the defense budget?

There’s no way to know. With all this in play over the coming year — or at least boiling beneath the surface — it could continue to be a very bumpy ride for the military-industrial-congressional complex.

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The worst possible outcome is that after the cuts begin the government continues to roll along getting by with less.

We will then realize that the budget did not need to be so high after all. And the cuts will then become standard for years to come. And that is an outcome that will not satisfy anyone inside the beltway.

In order to avoid such a budgetary disaster we will be subjected to nightmare scenarios from every agency in the government. The choices on which program will be cut will be based not only on their importance to the American people but also which programs will cause the most publicity by the mere threat of their loss.

Let the Academy voters take notice of all the wonderful acting we will see in high political theater over the coming year. Regular movie stars will be hard pressed to turn in performances the equal of what our elected and appointed “leaders” will be putting on display inside the beltway.

Indeed. And by the way, Liberal, that will go for both DoD and the rest of the federal government like education, housing, etc.

But in all reality the scumbag politicians, on both sides, will weasel their way out of it so we don’t have to worry about the horrors of a solvent government. We can rest assured that we will become the next Greece.

To voters, what’s more important at stake, protecting Medicare and benefits versus providing fund for defense? It’s a no brainer. Do I personally really care about having a strong military? A weakened smaller military forces US to reduce her oversea commitment/burden and stop behaving like a police trying to protect every one else interests but herself. I say that’s not a bad thing. Call me isolationist or whatever, but history shows US rose to the top dog by minding her own business and stayed out of others trouble.

Obama has run AMERICA down to the ground,US forces are going to pay for obama bad spending.

Uh, the U.S. became the preeminent industrial power in the wake of World War II. You know, because Europe was smashed by war, and all that? Marshall Plan? There were no other major economies left?

In fact, I really can’t think of a time where the U.S. wasn’t intervening into somebody’s business.. except when somebody was intervening in the U.S.’ When was this great period of isolationism?

REPEAT: POTUS (Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama — ALL of them, EACH & EVERY) has policy spoon-fed from CFR & Trilateral Commission (see: Federal Reserve). Congress is only interested in re-election (i.e., needs donors: see: corporations who profit (oil, military-industrial & banks) & who can get loans from the Federal Reserve (oil, military-industrial & banks). Summation: IT IS THE PRIVATE CORPORATION KNOWN AS THE FEDERAL RESERVE — PART OF THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING CARTEL — THAT IS PURPOSELY RUNNING THIS COUNTRY (INTO THE GROUND). Raise yer sights laddie!

Do you really think all this falls at Obama’s feet?! It’s this kind of ignorance that keeps us from fixing these problems. Do me a favor, turn Rush and Beck off and do some research on where and when this debt came from. Instead of pointing fingers, lets make congress do its job and make the decisions needed to point us in the right direction. All this “burn the opposing party down whatever it takes’ isn’t fixing anything. Both parties are guilty.

US was broke prior to WWII, so where did the money come from to build such a humongous war machine? Answer: loans from those who brought Hitler to power (International Banking Cartel) — the same ones who then about sh@! their pants when they saw Hitler figured he could take them too. Que the US to save their sorry selves.

all years preceding 1941 was a period of isolationism. the country was basically founded on don’t mess with me and i won’t mess with you.

after WW II the time of “interventionism” started as an attempt to prevent WW III.

As I recall it was “rig for heavy weather”. “Brace”, well, that too.… ;-)

Anyway, the government is broke, literally and figuratively.

In addition to sequestration, there are the looming expiration of the Bush tax cuts. Plenty of reason for anxiety on both sides of the aisle. If nothing else, Congress and the White House can be counted upon to take the path of least resistance and the easy way out:. They’ll come up with some half arsed compromise that will saddle the country with more debt, thereby avoiding any tough decisions. And another election cycle will begin with nothing being done to reduce the deficit. I’d give odds on that outcome.

dislike all you want but know i am correct:
http://​en​.wikipedia​.org/​w​i​k​i​/​U​n​i​t​e​d​_​S​t​a​t​e​s​_​n​o​n​-in…

Oh yeah, Prescott Bush was not involved in any “Hitler” Financing? Well, “he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen’s US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war. ********************************************************************************************************** http://​www​.guardian​.co​.uk/​w​o​r​l​d​/​2​0​0​4​/​s​e​p​/​2​5​/​u​s​a.s…
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See also: American Liberty League — “war is a racket” General Smedley Butler

Well said.

I am _not_ a supporter of Pres. Obama but it is silly to attribute the current state of affairs to less than 4 years in office by a single person in the executive branch (which by the way, can’t pass laws, raise taxes, lower taxes or almost anything in relation to the current mess).

You can fault him for poor leadership in not kicking congresses ass into gear and a few other things. You can’t, however, blame him for the current macro economic conditions and a government budget that went on a borrowing binge to pay for mommy-state-entitlements _and_ 10 years of war consumables (thus the discussion of hollow military).

The “super committee” was super bought and paid for by lobbying; foreign and domestic. They could hardly come up with much.
As for the U.S, you have a right to pursue happiness not have it provided to you by a government program. It is the United States of America; not the United Federal Government of America.
Killing off whole federal departments that provide no value to the economy is the right play. Too bad the politicians are bought.

There should be a balance budget and contingency budget. In an event of an attack by Iran and Russia on our US shores we need these budget for defense, at the same time having balance on the overall county’s budget.

Congratulations to our “wise” politicians for making a scenario that makes the Carter hollow force seem or the ‘90s “procurement holiday” seem like the good-old days.

This country’s leadership or lack thereof has been degrading our military’s size and quality for years, while failing to modernize and ensuring they have plenty of conflicts across the globe to fight.

No jrexilius. To become the next Greece you have to have bond yields go up, not down.

See: http://​www​.treasury​.gov/​r​e​s​o​u​r​c​e​-​c​e​n​t​e​r​/​d​a​t​a​-​c​har…

That’s the reason nobody’s panicking or getting the job done in Washington. We may be bad, but we’re still better than almost everyone else (our yield dropped from 2.01% on 11/1 to 1.97% on 11/21 on the 10 yr)

Let it happen the Military can survive and I think they just have cut some worthless programs like the JLTV and the ICC competition . We cant spend our selves into oblivion for some Generals pet projects.

What, do you think all the supplies and gear The US sent to the Allies was free?

If you have a problem then bring a solution, don’t just point fingers and bitch about it…

The DOD, OMB and Whitehouse will now have to put forth a Defense Budget between now and the State of the Union in late January that will follow the sequestration amounts. It will be mandated to put into execution the sequestration plans. They have to come up with only 9 billion in actual cuts from the FY12 FY. A scrub of redundnat offcies in OSD, Agencies, and the services is needed

I guess failure is in the eye of the beholder.

If the President and the Democrat-dominated Senate (which hasn’t passed a budget in three years) want to hold our nation’s defense hostage for tax hikes to bankroll their spending addicition, I’m thankful (and a little surprised) that the Republicans on the “Supercommittee” held the line.

The ONLY way to end the real crisis (as opposed to the phony made-up one) is to STOP SPENDING! This Administration will CONSUME the civil economy unless SOMEONE charged with representing the taxpayers can put the brakes on runaway entitlement spending, public-sector union payoffs, and misguided and failed stimulus spending.

Budgets (just don’t pass ‘em!)…debt limits (we’ll just ignore ‘em!)…none of these institutional mechanisms seems able to stop the Democrats’ massive spending problem. If the Democrats won’t pass a budget…or live within one…the only lever Republicans have left is to shut down the Government.

How about a failed $800B+ “stimulus” that passed without a single Republican vote, which was largely a payoff to public-sector unions with no positive impact on the economy. Add to that the massive entitlement that is Obamacare. And there’s the $80B bailout of GM and Chrysler, allowing them to continue to pay exorbitant UAW union benefits and sheltering them from market competition.

We’re in debt because the President is addicted to spending and the Democrat-dominated Senate hasn’t passed a budget in over three years. How hard is it to pass a budget when you have a majority?

Both parties are guilty? Really? Really?

“Iran and Russia on our US shores”.…. stop smoking pot and read something usefull …they barelly can show up in the shores of Greece.

THE CUT IS NECESSARY TO CLEAN THE SYSTEM FROM LAILED PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE F35 AND LCS.

Really. This situation has been in the making for at least 20 years, probably more.

Both parties chose who to put on the committee. Both parties chose their most far-left and far-right guys and gals they could find and pretty much instructed them up front not to compromise on anything.

Really. Look up “prescription drug benefit”, and its effect on the debt (present and future).

(And, technically, we’ll never know what the economy would have been like today without the stimulus package, so it’s very hard to say “no positive impact”. Sort of like FDR’s programs; the debates will rage endlessly about whether they helped or hurt. Personally, I would have spent that money on paying down the debt — but I’m not going to claim I know for a fact that it didn’t help.)

Mmmm, Kool-aid sure tastes good on a hot summer day. Pity its neither.

Repeating one talking point after another without ever listening to the other side is what got us into this mess.

I guess if we cannot fulfill all the plans the navy, airforce, army, coastguards and marines have set perhaps the other best alternative for defense are land defense ordinance like the SM-3, GBi missiles, land base X-band radar, Lockhead missile and missile defense solutions, US version of Russian KASHTAN-M anti-aircraft anti-missile system, US version of Russian Antimissiles Kashtan-M, Bundesheer 35mm Oerlikon, US version of Rheinmetall Oerlikon 35 1000 Air defense Gun, missile defense shield and etc. for land and near long distance on shore defense.

Good point couldn’t have been a navy man who wrote this article, or at least the title.

This is the first President willing to sacrifice the defense of this country for a campaign slogan. Him and the democrats in Congress that is. But I’m glad the Republicans didn’t fold, they’ve done that to many times in
the past. That’s part of what got us where we are.

the republicans have pissed me off iv always voted republican but no more they lie and lie more

Of course the FEDERAL BUDGET did not need to be so high. But elections DO have consequences & with big government liberals in the White House and in control of BOTH the House & Senate the yearly deficit went from an average of $421 billion in FY2001-2008 to $1.55 trillion in FY2009, $1.37 trillion in FY2010, an estimated $1.70 trillion for FY 2011 & an estimated $1.18 trillion for FY2012.
http://​www​.whitehouse​.gov/​o​m​b​/​b​u​d​g​e​t​/​H​i​s​t​o​r​i​c​als

No the military can not survive. It has been UNDERFUNDED for two decades & SIGNIFICANT INCREASES are needed to recapitalize what is largely a 1980’s (or older) force. Defense spending IS NOT the casue of our budget problems! In fact we could INCREASE defense spending to 4.5% of GDP/25% of Feberal Budget (@ 18% of GDP) & STILL balance the Federal Budget.

YOU are the one drinking the Kool-Aid.

It is big governement liberal spending & intrusion in the free market which got us into this mess.

The F-35 is not a failed program.

Where have the Republicans lied that has got you so pissed?

For those who don’t know yet (doubt it will make it into the Liberal dominated news) the Super Committee failed because the Democrats demanded $1 trillion in tax increases & rejected all Republican offers (INCLUDING those that included revenue increases).

You are overlooking the Obama-Boehner negotiations that took place prior to the last minute formation of the subcommittee. Those negotiations included a Boehner plan that had upwards of $800 billion in new revenues coming from mostly tax reforms while the President put forward a plan that featured $1.2 trillion in tax reforms and other new revenues.

During the subcommittee the highest the Republicans ever got in offered revenue increases was a plan put forward by Sen. Pat Toomey (R, Penn) that outlined about $380 billion in revenue increases, again from mostly tax reforms. The Democrats never got much below $1 trillion in their new revenue offers ( http://​big​.assets​.huffingtonpost​.com/​S​u​p​e​r​C​o​m​D​ems… ).

So in the Obama-Boehner negotiations the differences were 1.2 trillion (D) vs 0.8 trillion ®.
Supercommittee negotiations also failed but the closest were 1 trillion (D) vs 0.38 trillion ®.

It looks to me that the Democrats did a better job of trying to meet the other side in the middle on revenue increases while the Republicans went backward in their offers.

None of this touches on what was offered by either side in the way of Medicare, Medicaid, Defense, S.S. and other reforms. That post could take a lot more time to write.

He might be referring to the fact that for all their talk about “government is not the answer” the only President in the past 30 years that managed to balance the federal budget was a Democrat from Arkansas.

Some of those years of budget surplus came during a Republican controlled Congress, 1999–2001. They did it through compromise, not ideological purity.

The first line of the second paragraph should read ” During the supercommittee the highest…”

Spell checker is a rather insidious enemy.

Cutting Defense spending due to the failure of the DemocRATS in the Super committee, do they realize that by cutting defense they will end up losing “TAXPAYERS” at a time when they desperately need people paying Federal Income, Social Security and Medicare to sustain the over spending Obama and the DemocRATS want and created

Now cutting social welfare and NON Social Security spending will not lose any TAXPAYERS matter of fact they might gain TAXPAYERS when these people realize they may to work for now on.

partisan hack

@pfcem
Will you finally admit that it is in serious trouble of being canceled failed or not?

Or are you going to come back to us with the whole:
The F-35 will never be canceled!!!! The F-35 is the greatest human invention period! it is 25 years ahead of schedule, nothing has ever broken or needed to be redesigned, it is cheaper than first proposed, it’s so stealthy the invisible man can’t find it and you have to honk the horn with the clicker to figure out where you parked it. It’s so cheap your income will double in 2 years after you purchase it, a turkey in every pot all around the world just think of it, etc. etc.

BTW if Lockmart is looking to expand their sales department I can make my resume available.

This is a good point. The rumor was that the Dems were under instructions from leadership to reject everything and make sure no agreement was reached. If this were true then I think the Republicans (Toomey in particular) may have caught them off guard by offering what in effect amounted to higher taxes.

So true. The whole lot of them are to blame here.

It is funny how incompetence of the previous generation is the standard for today.

@Old 391

I’m convinced at this point DemocRATS as you call them aren’t thinking about long term gain, future stability, or achieving any real agenda for America. I think it is all about not letting Republicans look effective. It is all about denying their enemies a victory regardless of the cost.

Republicans on the other hand just want to find some common ground and be friends. They are willing to cave if it looks like progress. Progress itself isn’t important only the appearance of.

America is in a bad way,your great obama did not turn out to be so great,send the bill to Kenya.

Time to breathe…

1. The US fiscal situation is actually better than the EU. Not saying much, but there it is.
2. China’s economy is growing great guns, but their real estate market is way overheated. Nobody really knows what happens if the bubble bursts.
3. The risks associated with 1. and 2. are keeping the dollar afloat.

Sometimes it is better to be lucky than to be good. The petty partisan politics is petty. It would matter less if the livelihoods of people in public service were not hanging in the balance.

Sometimes it’s easier to blame “the system,” without exercising the intellectual curiosity necessary to carry out our responsibilities of self-government. THIS crisis has clear root causes for anyone who cares to find out. Republicans are not always angels; Democrats are not always villains, but in this case, it’s clear where the fault lies. Don’t take the lazy way out.

Sometimes the answer really is that simple. Just stop spending!

Funny, too, Dog Face–you didn’t respond to any of the substance of my post. Maybe you should take your own advice and listen to the other side.

Boy, turns out that $800B the Democrats p***ed away on non-ready “shovel ready projects” would come in pretty handy about now.

Dude…this is not a 20-year trend. See http://​www​.heritage​.org/​b​u​d​g​e​t​c​h​a​r​t​b​o​o​k​/​r​u​n​a​w​a​y-s….

I believe this is just another “2-party” inability to get anything done. Why do we elect such idiots? We need to elect people willing to step away from the politics and get something done. Republicans suck, democrats suck. In the meantime, the whole country is going down the tubes.….but that’s alright, here comes another election. BIG DEAL. Like a Republican President can do any better than a Democratic President? Get real.

Sounds like you’re big on “Republicans.” Too bad. What have they actually done lately? Do you actually think a republican can fix the mess they got us into in the first place? But wait, the Democrats are just as bold, brazen and useless. Unless both sides can actually learn how to work together without worry about the next election cycle–we’re screwed.

I hope the day never comes again as it did in 1941 when the U.S. was so unprepared for war. Cutting the budget for defence is akin to cutting our own throats! Get back the billions of wasted bailout money and apply this to the defense budget. Getting the bailout money from bankrupt companies would be a good start!

They gut defense and it will result in what happened prior to our involvement in WWII.….…the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and we were caught with our pants down and had to scramble to pick up the pieces to fight Hitler and Tojo.….….….…
Let Washington go next time there is a ‘conflict’ or ‘commitment’ e.g. sending ‘advisers’ to central Africa.….….….….……

Ironic you make this observation as I just noted same
I had not read your remarks until mine was posted.
Gut the military
It was bad enough when I was in during Vietnam and we had to give an accounting for almost
EVERYTHING and were often short parts for our aircraft.….….….….…..
We had cannibalizing going on so had to post sentries with our aircraft on the tarmac to protect them from other squadron pilfering.

I don’t mind them playing chicken with one another, and even as a member of the military I do admit that our defense budget is far too large to be sustainable, but must they play chicken with the country at stake?

Yeah don’t consider cutting back on expenditures. Just keep spending more and more and
get further into the pockets of China

bought and paid for by lobbying; foreign and domestic.

(((((NODS))))))) well stated but that is what the problem is most of the time
If you have money, you have their attention, otherwise, no soap

As long as they are making laws and exempting themselves from them, we are no better off than we were under George and Parliament of the 18th Century.….….…..
I find it laughable to think we have a representative form of government

Weapons of mass distraction again! Make a crisis and then focus only on solving THAT one. Just how many congressmen and women does it take to allow the country to those who eat dogs? Or is it, how many dollars have to cross the palms of politicians to sell out the U.S.?

The situation is so far beyond partisan repair, if it did exist today as the Nation is out of time, money and the will to put us back on the right road. Our infrastructure has aged to the point of breaking down. Highways, bridges and yes even the rail system is out-dated. Yet we still fiddle with fiat dollars.

Too bad, so sad.

there is nothing like the old gov’t, you got a bad one that is in use, why get another one akin like the one we got

Career politicians lack the moral integrity to do “the right thing” after they’re elected to public office. What a sorry lot! We need one-term Citizen Statesmen (& women) who are not beholden to anyone.

Well, we elected them! If you read the comments on this post, its easy to see that the people are just as polarized as the politicians. Republicans vote for those who say what they want to hear; so do the Democrats. Some people on this site state we need to have politicians that work together, but many are certainly leaning far to the left and to the right, so that’s what our politicians do.

They won’t change until we change.

Seriously? Can you give me an example where the Replublicans have wanted to find common ground and be friends? Neither side is playing friendly. Neither side is cooperating. That’s the problem!

Old 391, both sides failed here. Neither would budge. Both sides agreed to the original deal this past summer to these cuts if the supercommittee failed, which it did! So blame Congress and also blame all the people who voted in the present Congress…and blame those who didn’t vote! We’re all to blame, but we don’t like to hear that. We point fingers, use high school antics and call each other names (DemocRATS…man, grow up!), but we elected them. The country has to find a middle ground and vote in politicians that will find a middle ground. Otherwise this “no quarter given” crap will end us.

pfcem, where did you get this information? Just curious; can you provide a link or reference? Thanks.

Citien Sailor, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), a non-Partison organization that analyzes the possible and resultant impact on Congress’ actions, stated that the Stimulus act did save jobs; any where from 1.4 to 3.3 million. That means at least 1.4M more people had jobs due to the act.
http://​politicalticker​.blogs​.cnn​.com/​2​0​1​1​/​0​9​/​1​3/f…
http://​www​.cbo​.gov/​s​e​a​r​c​h​/​s​i​t​e​s​e​a​r​c​h​.​c​f​m​?​c​r​i​t​e​ria…

Also people tend to forget that Pres Bush also wanted the bailout:
http://articles.cnn.com/2008–09-24/politics/bush.…

Cuts would cut out waste. Two years ago the AF said it had enough c17 transports at about 100 aircraft but the congress made them take money out of their budget to buy 10 more so the assembly lines could remain open. They also wanted to retire 55 older C5a aircraft, but nope the congress made them keep them and now they are upgrading them at 65 million a piece. Waste-it’s MONUMENTAL! Their are a lot of civilian employees of the DOD that do nothing all day. I saw this with my own eyes. If you only knew.

There’s a $15 trillion debt, and you only accounted for the most recent $4 trillion of it. FY09 had a Republican president at the helm for that budget year. Go back and figure out when the rest of the national debt was generated. I’ll help you out. There were Republicans in control of the White House and Congress for large parts of it. And the budget figures on that website only include programmed budgets, and not emergency funding spent like for the war which is around $1 trillion. Everyone is to blame.

The budget rules and political idealogies that got us to this point are at least that old. Back then they just didn’t miss the money as much when they spent it. Economists 20+ years ago predicted our spending would result in this situation. Exploding costs in medical budgets, retirements, pension plans, changes in the tax base, jobs going overseas — all of this was foretold.

Leather, the question to answer is how much of the stimulus went to saving those jobs. Also, how long were those jobs saved for. Hypothetically, if we spent $100 billion this year to save $1 million jobs, will we have to spend another $100 billion next year to keep them working? IMHO, that’s why I didn’t like the stimulus and the concept of the federal government spending money to hire people for the sake of hiring them. The money has to come from somewhere, and it’s not sustainable over the long term. For example, the President talked about hiring teachers that the states needed to lay off. How long would those local or state teachers be federal employees?

I’m in my early 30s. When my parents or people their age complain about how lazy my generation is, I remind them that they raised us. When people of my grandparent’s age complain about politicians or the budget fiascos, I remind them that they raised those politicians. And I remind my parents that their generation are the ones making these bad decisions.

Lou, actually we do know. Most of us who post here are currently serving, retired, or working in the industry. The actual number the Air Force wanted was 180 aircraft, but they have a little over 200 now I think. That number was decided by the Air Force before the war started, and we’ve worked those C-17s pretty hard since.

Ronald Reagan did not find common ground with his opponents; he got them to agree with him. Either the Repubs are wrong, or the Dems are wrong. Neither side will give any because they know the other side will take all they can get.….…

A right wing president warned us about the military industrial complex. That is what is draining our country of its
talent in people and our resources. People we as a country must wake up. Stop thinkng about as you want to be a HAWK. Why would we want to go all over the world killing and consuming more than any other country. GOD controls every thing we can and can not do. Pray and ask our Lord and savior for his mercy.

Actually, this mght just work out fine. As long as the though was actually bottonless the DoD has ben able to buy just about anything it dreamed up. Now it’s gonna have to REALLY WORK to figure out what it wants to be able to do, plan what it needs to do it, and try to build to an honest objective. Congress WILL go along with this if they perceive that the threat analysis and conclusions make sense. We shall see. Don’t panic yet!

OK, well I’m sure you will disagree but Toomey’s proposal is an attempt at a middle ground and any of the “Gang of (pick your number)” are all attempts to find middle ground against the will of the larger Republican party.

The “gang of” debacles have occurred for at least the last 10 years. Just do me a favor and read the most recent Republican pledge not to raise taxes on anyone and then read up on Tooney’s proposed “revenue increases”. If you can’t be bothered to do this then at least check out Hugh Hewitt’s breakdown. Hewitt is about as center right as it get’s.

@Crackedlenses

Yes I agree about Ronald Reagan. I’m not talking about every person that identifies themselves as a Republican or anything beyond the last 10 years.

It is possible that both sides are wrong or both sides are somewhat right not just one or the other. I don’t really get that statement that one side has to be wrong. I’m not a relativist by any stretch but the issue of governance is pretty complex.

nice
plus 1 for you

That’s right when it is too late to fix, then that is when we will think about fixing our financial problems.

I stand corrected on my numbers but congress made them buy more than they wanted and upgrading the C5 fleet is monumental. The c5 was needed for heavy outsize cargo like tanks but future battlefields will not require a lot of heavy lift of outsized cargo. The war on terror changed the dynamics for all future conflicts. Also a lot of heavy cargo is moved by sealift.

I agree 100%. Could not have said it any better. Who in their right mind gets involved in two wars and still cuts taxes?!

The fact there was not a single republican vote speaks volumes on how willing they are to work on a bipartisan basis. Really who in their right mind engages in two wars and cuts taxes at the same time.

There are a lot of DOD civilians that don’t do much, but there far more that do work hard for their pay. Looking at uniformed DOD, how many work a full day and how many worked past noon today? I can flat out say that 95% of the uniforms on my base were gone by noon.

If you want to cut some defense spending make DOD personnel accountable for what they do! I see sooooo much waste it sickens me, but no one wants to acknowledge it. Officers have their own agenda and enlisted try to get as much as they can while not working. This not everyone, but there are a lot!!! There are 29 people in my office and the 24 active duty people literally did nothing this week because the “boss” was on leave! Seriously…how can they spend 2 1/2 days talking about TV refresh rates, video games, YouTube, and take 2 hour lunches (that happens daily at lunch).

The DOD does need to get its act together, but it needs to remain strong. We are told to do more with less, but the waste is rampant!!

Wow I wish I was in that AF (not really). Why didn’t someone go up the chain of command to the first sergeant. As an ex first shirt I darn sure would have found them things to do, boy would I ever. Before being a shirt I was a back ender on C135R models and we would fly 18–24 hour missions, have 12 hour crew rest and go back at it. Like everything in life some do and some watch, but seriously go the the first sergeant and let him or her know, guarantee the shirt will keep them busy.

“So-called “hostage taker” Republicans were willing to shut down the government and default on the U.S. debt if they didn’t get what they wanted”

Uh its actually THE President that held servicemembers’ pay hostage if a bloated budegt didn’t pass, it was THEe President that held servicemembers, retirees and social security hostage if the debt cieling wasn’t raised instead of accepting cost cutting that would have avoided the first ever downgrade of our nation’s credit rating and its THE President stating he will not continue to hold the DoD hostage if congress doesn’t raise taxes while 47% pay nothing.

Just “love” your “objective” journalistic style Paul!

There are a lot of DOD civilians that don’t do much, but there far more that do work hard for their pay. Looking at uniformed DOD, how many work a full day and how many worked past noon today? I can flat out say that 95% of the uniforms on my base were gone by noon.

If you want to cut some defense spending make DOD personnel accountable for what they do! I see sooooo much waste it sickens me, but no one wants to acknowledge it. Officers have their own agenda and enlisted try to get as much as they can while not working. This not everyone, but there are a lot!!! There are 29 people in my office and the 24 active duty people literally did nothing this week because the “boss” was on leave! Seriously…how can they spend 2 1/2 days talking about TV refresh rates, video games, YouTube, and take 2 hour lunches (that happens daily at lunch).

The DOD does need to get its act together, but it needs to remain strong. We are told to do more with less, but the waste is rampant!!

Right now we have no shirt!

A new MSgt is filling in, but she is so busy she is hardly around! We are overloaded with a lot of mandatory calls and meetings. The shirt has more to do. Our problem in our squadron is we have LtCol CC a Maj DO and a GS 13! All the rest are enlisted (80 %) and mostly GS 9 & lower. I am upper GS grade, but fear of retaliation is justified here and issue with the Dover morgue shows it is justified.

If I knew there wouldn’t be retaliation I (and a few others) would be all over the waste. FWA is rampant, but when the supervisors are involved or the culprits, what can you do? We had a Tech recently that sent a SSgt (boyfriend) TDY to a base in Europe for 5 weeks and sent herself TDY to a base 20 miles away at the same time. CTO set both of them up for rotator flights out of Dover but convieniently they both (a week apart) “didn’t know” the plans they arranged were modified. That happens when email is avoided. 2 flights on AF planes & on-base lodging turned into $12k in last minute airfare and full off base per-diem of close to $27k. Maximum was planned at $8k! This happens constantly with no accountability. Multiply this by 25-30x in a year and we are just one small squadron.

I was told by a co-worker (a retired MSgt) this is SOP and it’s it going to change! He retired 2 years ago and is a GS 9. Even he is upset with the waste, but his advice is to stay out of it because retaliation, while illegal, is reality!

When did SOP turn into doing nothing when the boss is gone and spending as much as you can for personal gain? If this is DOD-wide we do need cuts! But, I don’t see it as cuts (I work for the AF and need my job) I see it as a need for proper management of resources and funds.

I can see financially why people think the DOD budget should be cut. I can see the force can be maintained if we do as directed and do more with less! A cut in funding doesn’t need to mean a weaker military, just a more efficient one!

Sorry about the double tap post!

There is so much waste in Government and greed abundant that I am not so sure which direction we should head. Seems the whole Country is falling apart with greed. I know I sound like Chicken little with the Sky is falling viewpoint, but we really need to boot out those who are dealing us these concerns. I just cannot see the next President being able to smooth this over any longer, even though they promise a Chicken in every pot.
If you think back, even with the worst President and Admin in history was not this bad. At least we had Jobs, Health Insurance, and Food on the table. Another four years will about destroy us.

The F-35 is a difficult Aircraft to build. It is a highly advanced Fighter. It is actually performing better than they would like you to know. First Aircraft on the Assembly line usually take the Cost of the Program up front
and they become cheaper the more built. We need this Aircraft to perform it’s multirole functions. All our other Aircraft are worn out and the Cost to restore would about be more than the F-35. I say, give it a chance

The whole article steers away from the proposed $1 trillion as a cut in the future increase — not a real DOD reduction. Talk about what are the trade-offs rather than just how bad the cuts are. Shouldn’t we consider the fact that we will be out of Iraq in 2012 and out of Afghanistan in 2014? Thus, it doesn’t sound like the $1 trillion in planned increases are still justified. I guess the lobbyist need to do a better job fueling the war case against Iran.

All I hear about is cut defense. If only our congressman would have the courage to stand up and say and mean it NO MORE FEDERAL FUNDS WILL BE PAID TO ALL OF THE ILLEGAL IMMAGRANTS. This would be across the board starting wit the POTUS appointments to the person working in the fields. No funding for the health care, education, housing and welafare.
This would solve many problems and there would be a flood of people heading South. With no fences in place an easy trip Get real congress and do the job you were elected to do !!!!!!!!!!!

The whole article steers away from the proposed $1 trillion as a cut in the future increase — not a real DOD reduction. Talk about what are the trade-offs rather than just how bad the cuts are. Shouldn’t we consider the fact that we will be out of Iraq in 2012 and out of Afghanistan in 2014? Thus, it doesn’t sound like the $1 trillion in planned increases are still justifie

Well we didn’t even paid for the two wars we started is just insane and stupid. Now we see the problems not paying as you go it will raise the debt in our country. Also it reminds me of a lot foolish citzens who help wreck the housing market buying houses they couldn’t really afford at all or getting into high interest rates.

Unbelievable. My career over 30 years in SAC and Combat Communications was no nonsense and I mean no nonsense. If a SAC Wing Commander ever found out about some of the shenanigans you described he would literally go ballistic. If any ex SAC troops are reading this they would agree with me. Good Luck!

We must cut all federal aid to foreign countries and most importantly, the U.N. That money alone will be enough to straighten up our own house. Now, we must cut out all money to special interest inside our country. Next, all welfare, foodcards/stamps/WIC, etc must agree to a hysterectomy and vasectomy after the 1st child as well as drug tests for both parents every month along with a work search log with contact info in order to collect said benefits. As for our Brothers and Sisters in the Military, Bin-Laden and the Husseins are DEAD and we have been in the $hit for 10 yrs, time to bring ‘em home! We have degenerated into the “BodyCount” mentality of Vietnam again and are wasting our most precious commodity, the lives of American Servicemen. This is Unacceptable! If These countries are not ready to fend for themselves after 10+yrs of us leading from the front they never will be. With everyone home from the current battlefields we will save in excess of 1 Billion $$$ per day. (Government Numbers, not mine). The only thing left is to vote out every single sitting politician in office on both sides. That ought to about do it.
SBFP!

Or you could just move to an isolated authoritarian nightmare like Burma.
Seems it would be cheaper and simpler.

So he and his Secretary of Defense are willing to play chicken with the future of our national defense, just so he can push through his European socialist programs on the backs of the American taxpayer?

After writing that, I found out that the CBO has in fact tried to estimate exactly what the effects of the stimulus have been, relative to where we would be if ARRA had not been enacted. They estimate (with fairly wide error bars both ways) about a 1% increase in GDP and about 5 million permanent jobs created. That 1% increase only pays for about 20% of the cost, but the jobs are real. It comes out to about $150,000 net per job created, which isn’t exactly peanuts, but is a heckuva lot more efficient than handouts or direct federal employment. And 5 million jobs is a far cry from “no positive impact”.

The current Congress is certainly among the worst since the Civil War, but don’t blame the lack of modernization on Congress. Congress is not responsible for the fact that over the last couple of decades the various services wasted tens of billions of dollars they were given for ‘modernization’ across programs like FCS, Crusdader, Comanche, DD(X), Presidential Helicopter, AAAV aka EFC aka ACV, etc. without producing a damn thing worth buying. And that doesn’t even count the incredibly inefficient use of funds involved in buying a handful of F-22s, amphibious ships, EELV, Global Hawk, etc.

DoD had the _funds_ to modernize with; they just spent them very unwisely across the board. Now they’re asking the taxpayers to give them all that money again, plus interest. We certainly need to modernize, but it isn’t Congress’s fault (for once) that we’re in such a bad spot.

Once again, the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy emerges as the eternal argument of DoD Buzz know-it-alls.

One little event Ewing hasn’t seen fit to post an article on was a little presentation by CBSA’s Todd Harrison on the potential effects of sequestration if the caps are not removed from the DoD budget. In that scenario, the DoD Budget for 2013 would be $472 billion not including war costs, which remain exempt. It all sounded very rational and reasonable until Harrison noted that Defense spending over GDP would fall below 3% and then Harrison got embroiled in the “why DoD programs overrun their cost estimates” sophistry. The guy actually said that DoD should constrain its requirements to available budget resources as if that were somehow possible. CBSA somehow seems to think that geopolitical commitments can be sliced and diced to leave just one round left in the magazine…

Oh yeah, the CBSA presentation took place last Wednesday and was broadcast on CSPAN radio. So you should be able to locate it either on the CBSA or CSPAN web site…

David, I’m pretty sure Congress has very explicit oversight responsibilities to ensure the many government departments don’t go crazy or stupid with their spending. When the DoD wastes billions over several years on a bad program, you bet that Congress gets some fault.

And yet Obama will blame Bush like he always does. Hey Pres. Take one for the team and forget about a second term.

Actually, no one thought it possible to eliminate the deficit back in the 90s; we did it with necessary spending reductions in the domestic discretionary accounts — which had been sustained by the peace dividend, and we were still in the red. See how the spend line starts to run away from the revenue line about 1966 ? That’s the Great Society “guns and butter” policy ? And see how the revenue line goes down briefly below the spend line in the last two years of the Sixties ? That’s the Nixon Administration. Reagan years — both spending and revenue go down, then spending goes up under Bush 41 — revenue also declines and doesn’t go up much until the economy booms. You can actually see Keynesian policies fail on the Heritage chart. To get revenue back up to 20% of GDP, one needs to (a) raise revenue the right way (not by killing investment and savings) (b) grow the economy (not easy with a green administration that puts obstacles in the way of private sector growth); © successfully mitigate structural unemployment resulting from cuts in public sector spending and (d) put a cap on entitlement spending. Otherwise you get stagflation and its 1975 all over again.

I remember the meeting with GW Bush at the AEI Nobody in that room was making less than 10 million a year and he said some people may call you plutocrats but you are my people.

So is it really surprising when the Republicans dig in and refuse to let the tax cuts go. Choosing their rich banker friends over what they see as just a bunch of easily manipulated redneck losers ? Cant really blame them.

Somehow I’m not very surprise that Oblat/Itfunk is one of those Democrat welfare sponges who think the Democrat party cares about him.

If that’s what you believe. After WWII, the real purpose of our invastions and occupations the last 30 years has nothing do do with “providing for a national defense” and everything to do with obeying our legislative godfathers, the Zionists of Israel, represented here by AIPAC, CFR, and especially the ‘Project for a New American Century’. Look them up. This group has argued for everything we’ve done as a nation, including a 9/11 event in 1998/1999. Word for word, they’re arguments have come to fruition. If we don’t rid our government of the AIPAC political influence, we are doomed.

Hey Bronco. It’s bigger than Dems and Pubs. It’s a machine that lives on war. Our government’s Foreign Policy is run by the Zionists.

I must agree this does not all fall at the feet our President Obama. This problem existed long before he came into office and he has made it perfectly clear from the beginning that problems existed and that it will not be overnight to fix the issues that we face as a country. And, note if the country was in such a terrible state economy wise take a look at “Black Friday” really!!!

I agree with VetMan. It’s easy to point the finger at Democrats 10 years after Republicans, particularly former President G.W. Bush got us into this mess with a war fought under false pretenses; that has cost trillions of dollars, thousands of lives lost and irrevocably changed. Let’s keep it real, there’s plenty of blame to go around.

Pound sand!!!! If Bush is to blame, the he’s to blame. President Obama has to make the best decisions he can from this point.
It’s easy to point the finger at Democrats 10 years after Republicans, particularly former President G.W. Bush got us into this mess with a war fought under false pretenses; that has cost trillions of dollars, thousands of lives lost and irrevocably changed. Let’s keep it real, there’s plenty of blame to go around.

Yeah, because if some entity we don’t know what it does takes more of our money, all the poor people will magically become wealthy; then again, the rich should probably be punished anyway for daring to make money when someone somewhere in the world has less than they do.…..

And the moon landing was faked and Bush Hitler blew up the WTC and the Tea Party was started by the Koch Brothers; go get a life.…

You have to prove to one side that the other side has good or harmless ideas that are worth compromising on; till then it’s war till the end.…

But dont worry, he has all of the models set up to show that the one round left over is more than sufficient reserve!

For all of the lessons that the Vietnam-era Captains carried forward to their flag rank positions, some have managed to “forget” the equally important lessons that the Generals were learning back then.

As the good Mr Boyd (oft invoked with the OODA discussions) would claim, one of them is that war is the ultimate manifestation of uncertainty. Counting attrition rates down to the last decimal point, or even really trying to definitively quantify the military engagement, are exercises in political correctness and self-delusionment rather than historically (or scientifically!) supportable analysis. But things go in cycles.

The Sarissa disappeared and then reappeared as a successful infantry weapon, and now the whiz kids have returned in spite of their lack of success during SEA! Guess its just like men’s ties, wait long enough and anything will come back in style! LOL!

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