Obama pledges fewer nukes. How low would he go?

Obama pledges fewer nukes. How low would he go?

President Obama used a speech in South Korea on Monday to repeat his goal of ridding the world of nuclear weapons, making it absolutely clear that the U.S. arsenal will continue to shrink while he’s in the White House.

The only thing not clear yet is by how much.

Obama told South Korean university students that he is proud that the U.S. and Russia now field the fewest nuclear warheads since the 1950s, and he reviewed the policies that he hopes will provide a baseline for the eventual abolition of nukes:


As President, I changed our nuclear posture to reduce the number and role of nuclear weapons in our national security strategy. I made it clear that the United States will not develop new nuclear warheads. And we will not pursue new military missions for nuclear weapons. We’ve narrowed the range of contingencies under which we would ever use or threaten to use nuclear weapons. At the same time, I’ve made it clear that so long as nuclear weapons exist, we’ll work with our Congress to maintain a safe, secure and effective arsenal that guarantees the defense not only of the United States but also our allies — including South Korea and Japan.

My administration’s nuclear posture recognizes that the massive nuclear arsenal we inherited from the Cold War is poorly suited to today’s threats, including nuclear terrorism. So last summer, I directed my national security team to conduct a comprehensive study of our nuclear forces. That study is still underway. But even as we have more work to do, we can already say with confidence that we have more nuclear weapons than we need. Even after New START, the United States will still have more than 1,500 deployed nuclear weapons, and some 5,000 warheads. I firmly believe that we can ensure the security of the United States and our allies, maintain a strong deterrent against any threat, and still pursue further reductions in our nuclear arsenal.

So when will we see the much-discussed Obama administration nuke review? Just as with everything else this year, it might not appear until after Election Day. The hint for that came during a conversation between Obama and outgoing Russian President Dimitry Medvedev, which was picked up by microphones that they may not have realized were turned on. They picked up Obama asking Medvedev for “space” on the perpetual diplomatic bugbear of European missile defense. “It can be solved,” he said, but the president said he would have more “flexibility” after his election.

“I transmit this information to Vladimir,” Medvedev said — referring to incoming President Putin.

Conservatives were not pleased. Ohio Republican Rep. Mike Turner jumped on the comments, announcing that “I want to make perfectly clear that my colleagues and I will not allow any attempts to trade missile defense of the United States to Russia or any other country.”  Our phriend Phib asked this: “Isn’t it a bit strange to coordinate with foreign nations AGAINST your own electorate and its representatives?”

The politics are what they are, but let’s leave that aside for a moment. The important piece of information is that Obama wants to wait until he and Putin are installed in fresh new terms, giving them a little more oomph with their respective countries. Putin is locked in. Assuming Obama wins reelection, his request for pause could mean he’s got something big up his sleeve — even the much-discussed notion of cutting the arsenal by as much as 80 percent.

No one can say what’ll happen, but it’s probably safe to make a few predictions: Despite Turner’s bombast, Russia will probably not make a comprehensive deal on missile defense or nuclear warheads. Missile defense is too important a domestic political issue for Putin, and he’ll probably spend as much of his new term denouncing it as making concessions. Likewise for nukes — with its conventional forces a shell of their former selves, Russia’s defense doctrine depends on its strategic forces, another reason for its opposition to the Euro-shield.

Then there are the defense hawks and strategic forces advocates in the U.S., who will still be around in a second Obama term, and likely just as opposed to major cuts or concessions as they are today. Unless Democrats seize control of both houses in a huge tidal wave for the president — which does not seem likely — Obama could face as much gridlock in his second term as he does now, and that may mean the nukes stay where they are.

There is one other important detail here, however, over which the president will have mastery in both this term and his possible next one: His promise not to build any new nuclear warheads. That means that as the weapons in the existing arsenal age out of service and are disassembled, no new ones would take their place — at least for now. Maybe Obama’s proposal could call for the world’s nuclear powers to just let their arsenals age into oblivion, with periodic reductions along the way.

Is it worth trying? Or is a world without nuclear weapons effectively impossible?

What do you think?

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All we need now is for China, Russia, France, the UK, North Korea, Iran, Syria, India, Israel, and Pakistan to swear off nuclear weapons. That should be pretty easy, right?

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How many nukes dose the US need? Good question. So let the US lead the drive to eliminate nukes form the arsenal by publicly announcing that all warheads will be eliminated over by the end of Obama’s second term. That would send the message that the US is not and will not use nukes offensively and there is nothing to fear of the US. Then set the path for the US where it is no longer trying to force another nation to be like the US.

Eventual abolition of nukes? Does he really believe that? If so, I’m truly horrified that this man is President. You can’t put the genie back in the bottle. It’s that simple. In the past decades we’ve cut our nuclear arsenal enough, and ought to be looking at new warheads/missiles to replace aging systems and compensate for smaller numbers.

Good lord, you are a complete and utter moron. Every President since Reagan has set the goal for “a world free of nuclear weapons“
It terrifies me that a dimwitted putz like you has the right to vote.

Surely 1,500 deployed + 5,000 is enough for you, right?

“At the same time, I’ve made it clear that so long as nuclear weapons exist, we’ll work with our Congress to maintain a safe, secure and effective arsenal that guarantees the defense not only of the United States but also our allies — including South Korea and Japan.”

I’m not sure how you can maintain a secure and effective arsenal without a replacement plan. Granted, I have no idea what the lifespan of a nuclear missile is, but there has to be an expiration date on it with a plan to replace it.

I agree that we have too many nuclear weapons. They are as expensive as hell to make and the likelihood in us using them is low. However, I would never settle for less than enough nukes to blow up the planet earth at least once. Does that sound bad?

In those precise words, maybe. LOL

I think it’s 1,500 delivery systems with a total of 5,000 warheads. Many of our missiles have multiple warheads.

from the article:

“Even after New START, the United States will still have more than 1,500 deployed nuclear weapons, and some 5,000 warheads”

But you could be right. Still seems like probably enough.

If you don’t like Nuclear Weapons fine, cut some older ones well sometimes ok. BUT you dont tell the world your disarming only mnake the aggressors more bold knowing the only force to stop them is shrinking and be too small to stop you on your way to conquest. Bad move by Pres Obama.

The W-67 warhead stockpile is in the midst of a refurbishment which will extend their life considerably. Since the W-67 is the Trident warhead, our best deterrent force is fine so long as we purchase new SSBNs at the end of the decade.

We should negotiate with Russia to completely dismantle the land-based ICBM force of our two nations. Would save a massive amount of money (minuteman III replacement costs alone will be astronomical one day) without really reducing our ability to deter (Sub-launched ballistic missiles are a far more effective and more secure deterrent force).

Considering Russia still has roughly 8000–10000 (some estimate at 12000) warheads at its disposal, it is not a smart move for the US to unilaterally reduce its nuclear weapon stockpile.

Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists: http://​bos​.sagepub​.com/​c​o​n​t​e​n​t​/​6​7​/​3​/​6​7​.​f​u​l​l​.​p​d​f+h

It is even scarier to think that no one really knows the exact status of the Chinese nuclear arsenal. What if one day the world woke up to realize that all along China has had more than the US and Russia combined?

“Ridding the world of nuclear weapons” is a pipe dream designed to appease the zaniest of the Far FAAARR Left in the Democratic Party. No one who’s head is screwed on right will ever believe that ALL nukes will be abolished. Like the first commenter said, you’d have to get at least ten other countries (with radically different aims and views on foreign policy than the US) to do it too, and PROVE that they did, and that’s impossible. Obama is a smart guy, so I’m told. If anything, this is just a soundbyte for his anti-war, anti-nuke constituents, who say he isn’t “Left enough.” A political ploy in an election year, nothing more.

You misquote the President. He said the US would not DEVELOP new nuclear weapons; the DOD and the National Nuclear Security Administration are developing a plan that would requiring building more of EXISTING types of nuclear weapons. The interesting bit is that they plan to put existing components from different warheads together into one warhead, something that has never been done, so in fact some would argue this really is a new warhead, despite that administration’s claims that it won’t do that. It would be a new warhead based on old components, and they will claim that makes it an old warhead.

right on.

Although you can never be sure your comms to the subs are intact.

the unarmed man in the fight is the dead man

Enough to destroy every major city on the planet 20x. And that’s not even counting the warheads other nations have in their arsenals. Which Russia has the most of, including the US. (Before and after both START treaties)

I agree with modernizing our missiles, but we can also reduce our warhead count. We alone can destroy every major city on the planet 20x over. We can surely reduce (at same time as other nations) our number of warheads.

But also as you said, the genie is already out of the bottle, it’s virtually impossible to go back to a nuclear free world, nations can say they dismantled all their bombs, but it’s very easy to hide some for those “oh shit” moments that arise in wars.

Plus all the “missing” nuclear weapons from the collapse of the Soviet Union is very disconcerting. Only takes 1 mad religious nut to set one of those off.

set target at 500 deployed warheads and 500 strategic reserve.

8x new boomer class armed with 16 missiles each carrying 3 warheads-384 warheads

Air Force 1 bomber wing(Minot) with 3 squadrons ~ 36 aircraft with additional training/replacement squadron of ~14 aircraft and retain 116 ALCM assembled with warheads.

eliminate land based ICBM

Why lose part of the strategic triad?

Update the silos and have mobile land based missiles like the Russians have had for years…

It is the ultimate secure weapon of deterrence, granted it is also the most destabilizing (use’em or lose’em…) but have some in ready reserve… we currently have 450 land based ICBMS, reduce that to 225 and even with a 75% attrition rate in a first strike, launch on detonation scenario we would still have 56 missiles to retaliate with just from our land based ICBMs… that is plenty of deterrence from one source for any enemy to consider twice before striking directly or allowing a second party to surreptitiously use a nuclear weapon against us…

Oh sure, it’s a nice thing to say to appeal to the greenies and hippies, but other Presidents have been realistic about the matter. Under Reagan we had new systems like the Peacekeeper, Trident II, ACM, and SRAM II in development or production despite working to reach new deals with the Soviets and cut the (much larger) arsenals of the time.

Today the Soviet Union is dead, nuclear proliferation is a greater problem than ever (Iran, North Korea) and we continue cutting the numbers while failing to field any newer systems. At what point do these cuts damage important aspects of nuclear strategy? And yes, there is strategy involved to nuclear warfare.

Let’s go back to periodic world conflicts. Real smart.

At what point does it matter if China, Russia, etc has more than us? We all have enough to destroy the planet many times anyways. We would never have the opportunity to expend our inventory anyways. If we did, we are all dead anyways.

I think I used “anyways” too many times there. Oops.

Maintain the FBM fleet with full missile complement, Bring back the ALPHA tomahawk and put 4 on every SSN. (Russia really hates the ALPHA — no way to tell its coming or defend against unless you put a CWIS type system all along your coast lines. Take the Air Force out of the loop completely and put the money into submarine cruise missiles (conventional and nuke) because they can get in close and undetected.

The triad gives strengths than no single system can give. And when you are talking about something so critical that literally the entire world hopes it is never used, stronger is better. We may decide to reduce 1500 systems and 5000 warheads to 1200 and 3000 respectively, and still be strong, but we would need to get a huge concession from several other parties to do so. Negotiate from strength or fall into weakness.

It is good that we have the great combat warrior Obama in charge. We need to get him out of our White House before he gives away the farm. Nov is coming.

I doubt the Air Force will ever completely cede the fielding of nukes to the Navy.

It terrifies me that a dimwitted putz like you has the right to vote.

Do you really think other countries are going to give up their Nukes?

Yeah, that’s the stupid part of the anti nuclear weapons crowd. before Nuclear weapons came about the world regularly participated in wars. How many times where there major wars between the powers of China, Japan, France, England, Russia, Prussia, Austria, and so on? Nearly every generation had to participate in the slaughter of a major war. Since Nuclear weapons have been inveented it has prevented a showdown between the major powers. So in reality nuclear weapons have saved millions of lives.

Nor should it as their is a good reason to have a triad. However submarines do have a remarkable stealth advantage. Too bad their travel time is so slow as realistically you have to be almost in position before the hostilities start.

Not really — a D5 Trident can reach a target anywhere in the world, even if tied up pier side in the us. SSN’s are always on station and within strike range, just because you cant see them doesnt mean they are not there. Now whereas you can empty a TRIDENT submarine of all its missiles worldwide in under 5 minutes the down side to Tomahawks is uploading the target package and all the uplinks for its flight plan but it can still be done faster than a jet flying across the ocean. Also a carrier is a harder target than a fixed airbase which is why the air delivery part of the triad should include NAVAL aircraft with tactical strike nukes. All fixed locations are already targeted 24/7 by our advesaries just like theirs are.

asking allies to disarm is foolish. Bush alread disarmed us by telling the world about how communications was done inWW1&WW2. Loose lips apparently we need another 8 years of b.s from washington . B.K.Mitchell

Why not develop better delivery systems? Orbital platforms are out of the question, but that doesn’t mean that we cant have scramjet bombers or stealthier, faster missiles or even Nuclear-railgun artillery, does it? It’s not the bomb itself that kills them, it’s were you put it.

What we have been doing for the last 65 years has worked thru some tough times. I rode a boomer and also the USS Connolly with armored box launchers. I think a wide range of special weapon platforms will keep our foes thinking about MAD.

I thought the reason to reduce nuclear arsenal is to set example for those countries like Iran, Pakistan, North Korea… How can you tell them to not pursuing nuclear weapons if you don’t practice what you preach?

(1) The use of nuclear weapons is truly mad.
(2) A nuclear exchange will end after only a few blasts.
(3) If the bullies still want nukes, maybe 100 tactical is the upper limit. Maybe 200 total. That’s plenty to knock out all comers.
(4) An Air Force manned bomber to deliver nukes is OBE. Too slow. A sophisticated enemy will know where they’re at and figure out how ot take them out before or at launch. (Think railgun-like technology.)
(5) The irony is that a Tomahawk is a better sneak attack weapon.

Gee I guess Obama and the left wing DemocRATS have seem to forgotten that they are to Protect the people of the United States, not leave them open to an attack from Iran or any other nation that figures hey the US gave up there Nukes so now we can bomb them without worry about them Nuking by us

Obummer would take away all of our nukes and leave us unable to defend ourselves from smaller countries with terrorists in control of the government. It’s part of his plan to destroy the United States of America.

Close but not quite. The D5 trident can’t go from San Diego to Moscow. But still the range is greater than what I had remembered.

I do see a very limited value in fixed missile bases and delivering nuclear weapons via aircraft. I’d much rather spend the money on SSBNs than the other 2.

Would we ever really use tactical Nukes? I doubt it. If we’re going to go there, we’re going to go big or not go at all.

It is because a nuclear war is mad that has given us decades of peace without having to go to war with the USSR or PRC. If not for our nuclear weapons there was nothing to deter Stalin at the end of WW II.

What would be mad is to assume that because nuclear war is awful that mad leaders like Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot wouldn’t use them if the enemy didn’t have a deterent.

I agree with point 4.

On point 5, the effect of a Tomahawk is nothing compared to a nuclear strike.

What if we modify them International Roadmap upgrades.

The Russians still have well over 30,000 tactical or short range weapons that have never been included in the count for nuclear arms reduction. Negotiations don’t even include the expanding Chinese forces. Anyone who thinks Pakistan, N. Korea, etc., will ever give up any weapons because we’d play Mr. Nice Guy and give up ours to set an example are totally delusional an unrealistic. We need to keep what we have and make improvements to all our warheads.

Boomer, on the subject of alpha TLAMs, weapons designed for first strike sneak attack… Revisit the logic of MAD. Since ballistic missiles (ICBM and SLBM) can be detected shortly after launch, they are not effective for preemptive strike against a similarly armed adversary, because the aggressor can be assured of a retaliatory strike. That mutually assured destruction (MAD), prevents rational thinking adversaries from initiating global thermonuclear warfare.

Fielding weapons capable of first strike sneak attacks destabilizes that. The other side has to be ready to more quickly respond to perceived attacks, giving them far less time to investigate a false positive, significantly increasing the liklihood of global thermonuclear warfare.

Obama’s comments relate to the unilateral reduction of US nuclear weapons to 300. Obama has no clue as to the unworkability of so few weapons.

Considering the vastness of the world we would never be able to deploy enough weapons to deter aggressors considering the reality of the loss of weapons due to malfunction, defensive counter actions and delivery system failures. In the military we call it “ordnance on target”-that is the goal. Obama has no more understanding of this then he does of putting everyone in the US in an Obama car by 2020 or putting unworkable windmills in every back yard.

Obama lives in a childish fantasy world!

Therefore if we hit them simutaneously with alphas and D5’s they wont be able to retaliate very effectively. But even we dont pull the alphas outta storage (like we did with the patriots during the 1st gulf war — we were not suppose to have them any more because russia said it gave us an unfair advantage). Even a preemptive strike with numerous conventional ugm109’s from our ssn’s and ssgn’s would disrupt thier ability to strike back while the D5’s are enroute. This would require the govt to give the NAVY the funding needed to replennish the tomahawk supplies and upgrades to desired NAVY levels that the govt claims are not needed.

you never know — a tactical can get in praticly unoticed by some and not noticed at all by many countries. Could be used to take out an unfriendly future nuclear weapons facility making it look like it possibly blew itself up???? WHo would know — all of our ICBM’s are accounted for and no aircraft were in the air that night so it must had been self inflicted????

It’s W-76. Otherwise I agree

“Could be used to take out an unfriendly future nuclear weapons facility making it look like it possibly blew itself up?”

U-2’s were used collect particles from Chinese and Soviet weapon tests, these small particles could tell how the bomb what was mde etc, and this was in 60’s. They (who ever you talk about) would know for sure that it was not their bomb what exploded on it’s own.

Why would 500 ICBM’s (even without mirv’s) be too few? I’d say that even 300 is pretty much an overkill agains’t any enemy.

100 nukes is enough to destroy largest enemy cities and factory areas etc, but where are you going to drop those 1000 nukes what are still unused?

One way to simply reduce our nuclear warhead count is just to launch a few dozen D5s. There are certainly plenty of worthy targets around.

… and The Bear in the Woods is laughing all the way to the bank!

You are not going to use every single one of those for cities, some will be used to block incoming! Do you really think anybody is going to eliminate their arsenal. Just like Adinijaab gave back that Drone a couple of months ago!

BMD will be used to “block” incoming warheads. Not more nukes.

You must live in a pipe dream!

Yes, that is exactly right. Wake up America.

All the US has to do is convince 2 other large countries to get on board with the total reduction of nukes plan, all three together thus having the largest combined arsenal possible, prove to eachother thier individual dedication to the plan by systematically reducing thier stock piles, when they get down to a lower number, demand the nations remaining to destroy their arsenals with an agreement to do the same after thier compliance, if they don’t comply, team up on them, peaceful methods first, cutting off supplies, trade, etc. if that doesn’t work go in there and take them, sometimes you have to put your foot down hard to stand up for what is right, after they’re all gone end the education of them, in fact act as if they never happened, don’t tell your kids about them and within one generation they will have never existed.

All the US has to do is convince 2 other large countries to get on board with the total reduction of nukes plan, all three together thus having the largest combined arsenal possible, prove to eachother thier individual dedication to the plan by systematically reducing thier stock piles, when they get down to a lower number, demand the nations remaining to destroy their arsenals with an agreement to do the same after thier compliance, if they don’t comply, team up on them, peaceful methods first, cutting off supplies, trade, etc. if that doesn’t work go in there and take them, sometimes you have to put your foot down hard to stand up for what is right

All the US has to do is convince 2 other large countries to get on board with the total reduction of nukes plan, all three together thus having the largest combined arsenal possible, prove to eachother thier individual dedication to the plan by systematically reducing thier stock piles, when they get down to a lower number, demand the nations remaining to destroy their arsenals with an agreement to do the same after thier compliance, if they don’t comply, team up on them, peaceful methods first, cutting off supplies, trade, etc. if that doesn’t work go in there and take them

All the US has to do is convince 2 other large countries to get on board with the total reduction of nukes plan, all three together thus having the largest combined arsenal possible, prove to eachother thier individual dedication to the plan by systematically reducing thier stock piles, when they get down to a lower number, demand the nations remaining to destroy their arsenals

Teddy Roosevelt said “Speak softly but carry a Big Stick”.
Well, nukes are the Big Stick.

As previous posters have stated, eliminating US nukes will merely embolden our “opponents”, making them feel that we cannot fully defend ourselves.

And with the very public push by the Administration to reduce our military, our “opponents” know they have a much lower risk of being beaten into the dirt by a tired, over-worked military, whose equipment is also overly worn for its age.

Not a position of strength for the US, if you ask me.
Just my 2 cents worth.

Is he setting us up for a take over?

ANOTHER FANTASY FROM THE COWARD IN CHIEF.

obambam is a nut!

Reduce it big time. Keep some in reserve just in case. We already have the biggest air force and navy, reduce them also. Oh thats right we are doing that. I was in the army for 20 years, the M1A2 and Bradley can kiss some hard ass — no one comes close. Peace out.

I’m not sure anybody has the classified lifespan of a warhead, but I do know that the pits that comprise the root of the warhead do “rust” over time. The nuclear fuel oxidizes, and has to be refurbished by re-machining it, which is a very expensive and ticklish process, which has to be done to at least 10 thousandths of an inch, and probably more like 1 millionth of an inch. The initiating charge has to be recast or similarly machined to fit the new pit diameter.

This is why Los Alamos and Sandia Labs have been improving weapons efficiencies over the years; so you get the same or more bang for the buck. It really is stupid to continue with the expensive maintenance of atomic weapons, and delivery systems if you don’t have to. We could easily stand negotiated reductions as long as the Russians and Chinese continue to cooperate on site inspection, which they have. We have let them inspect our facilities as well.

I for one am a big believer in star wars as a replacement for strategic defense; and I have every confidence in its ability to CHEAPLY knock down attacking warheads. Methods of detecting bogus or dummy incoming warheads has become reliable and our cost continue to fall as cheaper technologies appear on the manufacturing front. I never really want to get completely rid of all warheads, but 100 is God’s plenty, and enough deterrent to scare the beejeezes out of any attacking enemy. In my opinion, none of the attackers will make it through such a defense anyway. Hell — the Israelis knock down every one of the missiles thrown at them by Hamas, using our Iron Dome missile defense now. At least we issued them, I don’t know if Israel picked the name or not.

Why don’t we get rid of Obama and keep the Nukes?

With Russia, China & other powers that would love to see Us (What remains of the good old USA) fail, We should retain our at least 10,000 Nukes (no More).

We must keep some nukes as a last resort if rogue nations attain them or China continues to grow it’s own military capability as it is doing. We MUST have at hand nukes at hand. A brilliant former President ended World War 2 with said weapons saving millions of American lives. There is no choice but to retain the horrid ability to dessimate any city or nation on earth. Yes, it is a sad fact, but none the less, a fact that cannot be ignored.

Were you “horrified” when G W Bush signed his treaty with the Russians and reduced the nuclear arsenal? How many nukes does it take to wipe out an enemy, especially those we face today?

How long would you feel is necessary to make the earth totally uninhabitable?

The dittoheads will grasp at anything to disrespect the President. This is a non-issue blow up by fox and the dittohead dribble machine.

Russia and America could both do with fewer nukes. We don’t need to be spending money on world-destroying weapons that we’re pretty much never going to use, and Russia is just a loose nuke nightmare that needs to get its warheads secured. Sure there’s other countries out there with nukes, but none with as many as the two former Cold War rivals.

You all better head to the polls come November or learn how to call each other COMRADE because the idiot that we currently have in the White House needs to change his name to Obamvincovich or something equally communist. He is what he is. Don’t just talk about it. Right now we still have a Democracy but that is subject to change if he gets re-elected. Its quite apparent by his past actions that he is clueless and self serving. He could care less about the people of the United States or the country itself. If he wants “CHANGE” let him change his nationality and his flag and get the hell out of our country. We defiantly DO need “change”.and it needs to start at the White house. IMPEACHMENT seems right to me because he is unfit to be there. Whisper that to Russia!

When are the men in the military going to stand up for the CONSTITUTION and oust this “president” They swore to support and defend the CONSTITUTION. O’bama is shredding it.

Guns ? No, they go bang and scare the children.….Bows and arows — well, they don’t shoot too far and they make that funny ’ thwangy ’ noise so it might be best to use lances while riding horseback and while it would take a while for the horses to swin the oceans there is still the matter of all that horse poop and besides, when they finally reach shore the UN might decide that we all need slingshots. For myself, I always likes the Pea Shooter — poor little Mary Livingston never did know who was shooting into her hair.

Someone with a few more brain cells than most decided that a strong defense was the best offense. Think about it. It does not matter one iota how many of what kind of weapon we have.….as long as the other guy fears reprisals, he won’t do anything. Once he knows that we are weak, he will then start something. Strong isn’t a threat to anyone. Strong is why your car is not made of tin — why your house isn’t made of straw and why you wear shoes instead of wrapping your feet in rags. You want to be protected against whatever might be a threat. .…and that isn’t evil — it insures your survival.

Reallity time people. START 1 removed ALL mirv’ed missles Peacekeeper/MX all imploded sites no repair. START 2 removed ALL alcm, salcm,glcm and all large gravity bombs. America persued an accurate weapon system therory which required a very much smaller blast power about a factor of 100 times smaller. There is 3 active ICBM bases today all others imploded. One base with nuclear capable aircraft with the weapons on the base. The newest weapons are over 30 years old, anybody want to trust a 1980 Pinto start and drive from Miami to Nome?? All other aircraft will need to fly to weapons location , be refited to carry. Then launched. Aircraft can be recalled, missles can NOT. Russia builds a new ICBM each month (8000 to 10000)estimate amount as they have never given full access for START1 or 2. China unknown. Seems to me a lot of people live in lala land. Stand in the dark ally and shout I’m unarmed with 2 broken arms and am in a wheel chair with a $100,00.00 in my pockets. Please be nice to me? Good Luck Please don’t bet your life and freedom on movie lore!

Actually 1,000 total sounds pretty good as a next step…including elimination of “tactical” nukes in Europe.

Sure, then we can sit back toothless and just talk nice to all the dictators of the world and work out all our problems. We could share our feelings with each other and make the world a better place to live. Are you NUTS, peace thru strength, leave all options open including nukes to our enemy, anniliation is a very strong word and allows every one in our country to sleep secure every night and wake up the next day to enjoy a future free of the Hitler’s of the world.

It’s called unilateral nuclear disarmament;

And BO’s lips are moving …

annoyed at fools — go look in the mirror when you call people a dimwitted putz, then you’ll see one.

No, it’s all the pinko commies that will do anything and say anything to get their “Dear Leader” off the hook for showing who he really is.

Wow, I thought Jimmy Carter was bad, this President has gone the extra mile to make Jimmy boy look half way decent. http://​latimesblogs​.latimes​.com/​c​u​l​t​u​r​e​m​o​n​s​t​e​r​/20

Neville Chamberlin al over again.
This really is a stupid, stupid man.

annoyed at fools, go look in the mirror and you’ll see a dimwitted putz.

Wow, and I thought Jimmy Carter was bad.

The “newer” boomer-class, the Ohio-class, carry 24 missiles with up to 10 warheads per missile. That is up to 240 warheads PER submarine. That would only have ONE of these submarines operating in the Pacific and one in the Atlantic. All the “eggs” would be in two baskets. What about the security of diverse delivery systems? One, just one, of the submarines having operational problems would cut the deployed forces in half. Submarines are the most effective proven delivery system and are recognized as such by potential adversaries. The oldest of these is twenty-eight, — yes, 28 — years old. Where is the replacement plan for these aging “platforms”? Carter: “Reduce” the military. Clinton: “Strip” the military. Obama: “Eliminate” the military.

I’m pretty sure we have no tactical nukes in Europe. Weren’t they all withdrawn a couple of decades ago?

Ron,

You and Ten seem to be the only two respondents to “Guest’s” fanciful post. Yes, a world without nukes would be great. But thinking all the dictatorships that have them or are actively trying to get them will willingly give them up is childishly naive.

Hmm, the countries that can’t detect a tactical nuke aren’t a threat so why would we bother with them?

Gust — You are right! If the Saprtans had just laid down their weapons at the battle of Thermopylae, the Persians (now Iranians) would have played nice! Right?

exactly, the “peace at any price” was very expensive in terms of human life. It was not a good deal by any measurement.

because some are attempting to become a threat as we speak. Plus we have been to war against some of our now allies more than once in the past — you never really know who your next enemy could be.

Nuclear weapons are 1940s technology…used as a political and military deterrent for almost 70 years. Do you really think the US does not have a secret arsenal of more advanced, effective and devastating weapons that can enforce our nation’s political will if truly needed? Let’s hope that our country’s adversaries think we are not up to task and make the mistake of thinking that our President and our future presidents are too weak to execute the employment of such weapons. America is not in decline when accurately measured amongst the leading nations of the world. Militarily, we remain the strongest and most technologically advanced country in the world. God help any nation that is arrogant enough to put us to the test!

A strong argument can be made that nuclear weapons have actually made the world a less deadly place. The trend throughout all of history was bigger and more lethal wars, leading up to WW I and WW II. The bomb stopped that trend and we now have achieved a state with far fewer wartime deaths at the cost of having the nuclear weapons hanging over our heads.

Assume for a minute that you could put the genie back in the bottle, would you want to? Are you ready for a conventional WW III with 200M or more casualties? Obama better be careful what he wishes for. He might just get what he wants and inadvertantly be responsible for the greatest slaughter of life in human history.

A strong argument can be made that nuclear weapons have actually made the world a less deadly place. The trend throughout all of history was bigger and more lethal wars, leading up to WW I and WW II. The bomb stopped that trend and we now have achieved a state with far fewer wartime deaths at the cost of having the nuclear weapons hanging over our heads.

Assume for a minute that you could put the genie back in the bottle, would you want to? Are you ready for a conventional WW III with 200M or more casualties? Obama better be careful what he wishes for. He might just get what he wants and inadvertantly be responsible for the greatest slaughter of life in human history.

Well, this is just another example of military brass bowing down to the policies of a president who could care less for the military. How about cutting some worthless other programs, like some of the Social Programs, Renewable Energy, or some stupid Foreign Aid program. The Navy, like the other services are being forced to cut programs, which in the long run will come back to “bite them.”

I agree that the land based segment of the Triad is obsolete. With the development of guidence systems, how can fixed systems really be a deterrent? If we are attacked, we have to launch them or accept their destruction. A strong SLBM force is essential to the nation’s defense, but a strategic bomber force is also vital — who has seen Cromswon Tide? You really can’t use a SSBN for a tactical nuclear strike. So you still need some ALBM, maybe not as many that are in our current arsenal. And we can’t tolerate having them “accidently” loaded on a bomber going from ND to LA!

I think 10,000 to 15,000 Nukes are enought (Russia, China, etc.). It would be great if someone would come up with a way to use our spent rods to build weapons. That way, We solve two (2) problems.

Let’s see. None of the other nuclear nations are reducing their arsenals. North Korea and Iran are our avowed enemies andare improving their nuclear apability. Obama is making us safer by reducing our nuclear capability. OK, I understand now.

The war mongers are at it again. Get a life. How many times do they want to blow the world UP?

Tell that to the hate group and know it all.

Obama will get us in a fight with another country using Nukes. Problem is that other countries with nukes that do not like us will get together and plan a raid by having all the nuke countries fire their nukes at once. This way we will be hit from all sides at once. Russia, Iran, Argentina, N. Korea on count of 1, 2, 3 fire…

I am so very glad I was not active duty under this idiot. He has aptly been referred to as a silly little man child who is clueless but convinced of his own greatness.

Respectfully sir, WHAT planet are you referring to? Apparently there were no Neville Chamberlains or jimmy Carters in your universe, and no military history. NOBODY IS FEARFUL OF THE US ATTACKING THEM WITH NUKES OR ANY OTHER WEAPON !!! Our enemies are aggressive opportunists around the world, always have been. The only thing that changes regarding that is who are enemies are.…sometimes. War with North Korea AND Iran is inevitable, and will likely be nuclear as well as conventional. Just a fact of life with those maniacs.

As Obama cuts our defenses down,Russia,China,and the other enemies are multiplying their arseal of nuclear weapons.When they realize that the United States doesn’t have enough to protect it’s self they will pounce on us and take America over.
As many intelligent people have said,it is true that Obama is the most dangerous President to ever occupy the White House.I predict that he will be impeached in his second term for crimes against the United States and it’s people.I hope the military is keeping a close eye on him.

What part of his speech, where he said we would not leave ourselves defenseless, we would have enuff nukes to protect us. what part did you not understand. And your president’s name is OBama.

10,000, 1,000, 100

Whats the difference?
10,000 will wipe out the world, no one will do that, because that means destruction for them.
1,000 would destroy the ozone and kill off the world, and possibly be enough to wipe out the world.
100 would do massive massive damage if not take out a large country.

Why do you need so many? Seriously..

And ReTHUGlicans seem to be war mangers–what happened to turning the other cheek?

Go back to sleep or to your weed, buster.

Go back to your weed buster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let’s see Putun rigged his re election, has squashed all commers. In essence he is the new dictator of Russia. Now we have the POTUS looking to do the same thing. In my neighborhood the guy with the most weapons was the top dog. Let’s take the example of the American Native population back in the 1800’s. They got their butts kicked because the army had superior weapons. End of story!!!!!!

BO IS A DAMN NUT!

I second that emotion!!!!!!!!!!

ok..lets give them to iran.. one at a time.. and then china. need to see if they still work anyway.. look mama up in the sky.. did.. did.. did you see the falling bombs..

Your question is a fun one, like how many times over do we need to destroy the planet. However the question always misses a point and that is how many do we need to ensure a good retaliatory strike if we get hit. It’s just like that carnival game where they give you 3 balls to knock bottles off a stand. Most people can’t do it with three however, if given 10 balls the chance is much better.

I’d love to get Obama in a card game, this guy shows his hand every time. He’s such a naive liberal drip to think if the U.S. disarms the world will follow suit. How’s dealing with the North Koreans working out for you? Iran? Hmmm…not so much eh?. The whole premise is as specious a point of view as the one that says all the nations seeking nuclear weapons are doing it because we have them. We live in a good world, we’re the ones who are bad. This whole belief has been part of the liberal vocabulary since the 60’s and has never gained the ring of truth except with liberals. Do these people actually come out of the womb this stupid?

check these out on face book. “The Flag of the United States of America” “Proud American Trading Post”

lulz. this is probably the most rediculous comment on here:) good job

Why not Barksdale?????

Obama and the Democrat party are the biggest threat to the security of this country there is.

many in russian military know its inevitable and say they want to be the first to strike. no better time than while we lower our gloves!

because the area surrounding Barksdale is a dump, Minot is more isolated and secure.

the new class we will build will not have the Ohio’s 24 tubes guaranteed 16 was always a better number any way and our treaty obligations prohibit more than 3 warheads per delivery vehicle. Also 8 hulls is plenty for continuous patrol. It appears Gen Cartwright and his Global Zero friends have drawn up a similar plan of action I say lets do it.

Where is the comman sense these days? If you think these countries that hate us will agree that they will illuminate their nuclear warfair you have to be nuts. We are being set up to fair.

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