MRAP may get postwar roles after all

MRAP may get postwar roles after all

The odds for a postwar life for the Army’s Mine-Resistant, Ambush-Protected vehicles may have improved this week, while your friends from DoDBuzz were battening down the hatches and splicing the mainbrace and such at the big Navy trade show.

Last week it appeared as though almost all the MRAPs, though only a few years old, would go right into warehouses after coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan. The brass wasn’t even going to try to find a role for them in the postwar Army, given that the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle is right around the corner. Turns out, that’s not quite right.

The Army said Tuesday the MRAPs do have a future, though not in dedicated “MRAP brigade,” Stryker-style units. Here was the word:


MRAPs will be used for training soldiers and for conducting route clearance. The vehicles will also be prepositioned for use when needed. The Army has more than 20,000 MRAPs in a tactical wheeled vehicle fleet of more than 270,000 vehicles.

“That’s a very small percentage,” said Col. Mark Barbosa, the division chief for Force Development logistics, Army G-8.

With so few MRAPs in the Army’s fleet, there are no plans to build MRAP brigades, but instead the MRAPs will be prepositioned in “contingency sets,” Barbosa said, ready for soldiers that need them for missions. Other MRAPs will be used as part of predeployment training sets and for specific missions as well.

Now, Barbosa said, the majority of the Army’s MRAPs are still in Afghanistan, though some are leaving Kuwait and going back to the United States to depots such as Red River Army Depot, Texas or Letterkenny Army Depot, Pa. There they are reset, and receive the performance enhancements that were developed for later models.

There are some key details missing here — if the Army only uses 500 of those 20,000 vehicles and mothballs the rest, that might not make a big difference. But if the Army uses a third of its MRAPs for training and prepositions another amount as described, that could mean they remain part of the soldier lifestyle instead of just going right into storage.

DoD spent $44 billion on developing and building that fleet of 20,000 vehicles, according to the Government Accountability Office. The Army has to balance the desire to get as much good out of that investment as possible with the need — and desire — to move on to JLTV. That also goes for its fleet of Humvees.

Even though the Army and Marines have scrapped their onetime plans for a major upgrade to their Humvee fleets, those vehicles will still be around for a long while, Tuesday’s story said. The catch is that the vehicles are “maxed out” and “no longer feasible” for use in combat, the Army says, although it will probably keep many of them for use in the U.S. and for missions such as disaster response.

Another key reason to keep MRAPs and Humvees around for a little longer is that it takes the pressure of JLTV. Army officials say they’re proud of the work they did saving this program from the brink of disaster, getting the unit cost down, and all the rest. Maintaining the legacy vehicle fleet for that much longer could give space and time to keep up that progress.

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I’m sure Boarder Patrol or SWAT groups wouldn’t mine having a few.

COL Barbosa was quoted in Army Times this week saying 11,000 MRAPs would be placed in preposition stocks around the world for contingency operations. 7,000 MRAPs would actually go into the BCT MTOEs for regular use with 2,000 of that number placed in a post-wide training set.

Unless we develop a capability to do maintenance above user level we are shooting ourself in the foot. Deploying contractos to a hot spot doesn’t make for an agile force.

Overall HUMVEE recap may continue Congress may defy the military and reinstate it. Overall a smaller JLTV is needed a giant monster car will only be a easier target in combat. that take most of the vehicle out of the current JLTV bid since all of them are nearly twice a BIG as a HUMVEE. That makes no sense.

Im assuming you’re being sarcastic? The MRAP was never intended to be “IED proof” rather protect the occupants when the vehicle is hit by an IED… Notice in that picture, the vehicle is blown to shreds but the cabin is mostly intact… Tax dollars can replace expensive equipment, not lives… The vehicle in that picture, did its duty perfect…

To get to be a General, you need to ram the new program through the bureaucracy. No one makes General officer by efficiently using the last vehicle.
Now most of the time the garrison folks need a small vehicle — probably smaller than the Humvee. Maybe we will return to mostly a garrison force? So the existing Humvee (supplemented with off the shelf vehicles) would work fine.
Deployed, we certainly face lots of potential opponents that have PhDs in IED. We face few opponents that would take us on openly, like a classic Clauswitzian engagement.
Perhaps our best option is to continue to use the Humvee, sell some MRAPs to countries that still face active insurgencies, and store a bunch of MRAPs. The chances of us needing them again soon are very high.
The JLTV is a government acquisition program — just like the F-35, the B-2, various Navy systems. So it will continue to limp along for a while until we take delivery and start to wring out the remaining problems.

I’m just showing what it has done time and time again to save our men.

ahhhh, well in that case, well done. A perfect picture to represent the lives saved by the MRAP… The HMMWV on the other hand…

haha yeah that good old HMMWV…

B.S.….…20,000 MRAP type vehicles finding little use after the war. JJLTV…the size of a semi tractor used for pulling freight. Too big to be used for anything but target practice by the enemy.…waste of money to say the least. Personally, I think our troops deserve the best…but at what cost…another vehicle like the hummer that was built for another bygone era?

We waste money trying to develop the latest super whatever, and fail at doing so every time. Great advice for the military, and this is aimed at Army brass who are too pig headed to see past a shiney new toy’s pricetag.…up grade the hummer. Keep it around for a while. Because as always in the next war, MRAPs and hummers always come back into style.

They don’t need them. Trucks of this class are fuel and maintenance HOGS. Save the small town taxpayer and get Ford or Chevy (or Toyota) products that can be had for cheaper. Last time I checked there aren’t many IED’s on American roads.

AMEN

Huh,MRAPs and the up armored HMMWVs might end up the CUCV of this era.

“Another 7,000 MRAPs “will go into [pre-deployment] Army units like transportation companies and echelon above brigade medical,” he wrote. About 2,000 of those 7,000 will be placed in training sets around the world while the last 800 or so “will be used for Army war reserve sustainment stocks and contingency replacement stocks.”

They are not going into BCT MTOEs.

I guess I interpretted that a little differently. I wouldn’t be surprised if EOD and some Engineer units getting to keep theirs Buffalos and route clearance variants full time.

In Vietnam, we had NO armored cars except the V100 because our mission was to win over the population by interacting with them face to face via walking patrols. This is not practical in Afghanistan as you have 1/5th the number of troops we had in Vietnam and a country more than 6 times the area of Vietnam. This leaves a footprint/troop density 1/32d of that in Vietnam. I say bring back the WWII jeep with a fuel-efficient diesel engine for garrison and admin base transportation. Go to a halftrack like the White M-8 with sloped side like the WWII German SdKfz 251 armored truck. Put more money into lighter IBAs and helmets and mine-deflecting boots.

Strictly speaking no, but whenever we deploy, some or all of a BCT’s engineer company ends up doing route clearance. The next evolution of the BCT is supposed to turn the STB back into an Engineer battalion with 2 companies. It would make sense to keep fresh a decade of hard fought experience.

Did some nitwit actually suggest that the U.S. Army get toyota vehicles. Another traitor!

I actually survived two IED hits in MRAPS; I can say that they do protect from most shrapnel they do not protect against blast waves which enter the vehicle via the open turret. You also get banged around pretty good, like driving off a cliff in your personal vehicle. I received a concussion, retinal detachment in my right eye, damaged ear drums and hearing, and ruptured discs in my neck and back. On the other hand if we had been in HUMVEEs we would have ended up as a cloud of red mist.

He suggested that domestic SWAT teams and police didn’t need MRAPs. I read the full comment.

Domestic SWAT teams and police don’t need MRAPs.

I don’t know.… people with legs are much more agile than those without legs.…

Really a great reply, I don’t know who you are, but there is so much common sense in that reply… How do you feel about taking up the life of a Statesman?

I could see them needing them just a tiny bit further down the road… We have acquired a boat load…(no pun intended,) of folks who are laying low just waiting for the call. They certainly are trained in the finer arts of the terrorist trade. As they say… “the enemy is within.” We may be drawing down because the war on terror is now unpopular. I think the American public would start voluntarily sending in tax dollars if that hidden enemy began practicing their craft, and I haven’t heard any of their leadership declaring that once American troops are out of the Middle East, they are going to live happily ever after fighting each other.… Oh… wait… there weren’t any troops in the Middle East to speak of when this all started on that fateful day were there?

I will always be partial to the MRAP, I live in Sealy, Texas where the original mom and pop company, Stewart and Stephens, and after a few transactions, BAE Systems produced the original MRAPS, and my husband was the Program Manager of the Caimon, the second generation MRAP before he deployed with the Reserves to Afghanistan. However, that isn’t the main reason I am in favor of MRAPS being kept fueled and ready… I have been an Army daughter, wife, mother, and mother-in-law, and I prefer all my relatives with legs…
My husband remains in Iraq with the State Department… Iraq should have a few good MRAPs as well.…

Sorry, misspelled Stewart and Stevens… boy am I in trouble now…

One more thing, Bobbie99, from the bottom of my heart, thank you for your service, I am patriotic to my core, but if this country had to depend on me to physically defend it.… all the MRAPs in the world wouldn’t do any good. Please, tell your family thank you for their sacrifice and service… especially your wife, if you have one, and your mother. We really don’t care what the opinion of the bean counters, generals, and strategists are… we love those MRAPs, and want them kept in mint condition, just in case…

The US military had literally tens of thousand of forces in the middle east in September 2001. The Navy had the 5th Fleet headquartered in Bahrain (still there) The Air Force and Army huge numbers of personnel in Saudi Arabia (withdrawn 2003) and Kuwait (still there).

MRAPs protect the occupants from people trying to kill them. Terrorists target soft population targets, to instill “terror.” So, unless soccer moms will be trading in their SUVs, and up-armoring their shopping carts, not seeing the advantages.

Unless you can specifically detail how a MRAP would have been usefull in deterring or defeating any terrorist attack within the US ( or anywhere) you’re not going to convince anyone with common sense what use domestic law enforcement agencies would have with MRAPs..

My company is doing the M939A2 reset program on Ft. Riley for the NGB. But that progam may end next year. Sure would be nice to do a reset on the HMMWV or MRAP in it’s place.

Already tried them on the border — they break down too much. Will most likely be used for riot control and martial law if enacted after disasters; Unless something breaks out some place in the world with good roads and bridges where it can be used for escort vehicles again.

What is not so funny about the Toyota comment is that they (Toyota trucks) are built with more American made parts and US mfg than any of the BIG 3 US companies trucks.

I was a gunner and I liked the vehicle.

I beg of you posters.…..please spell check before you post. No matter how valid your comment may be, you get laughed at because you have the appearance of being an illierate. You may be a retard, sometimes I wonder.…..

I’m in the same boat… MRAPs have saved countless lives… I’m not sur ewhy we just dont bring them hom ean duse them like we do the HUMVEE… TONS more space, easier to drive, and yes, more fuel, but who cares, we’re America, we could go to war again (some libs like to think this) for more oil…

MRAP‘s do work I have a Bro who just returned from Iraq last year and he had two of them shot out from under him on convoy duty and he swears if he would have been in a Hummvee he would have bought the farm. On a side note he was denied his third Bronze Star for those two actions because the white house and current DOD leadership had declaired IRAQ “Secure” and no longer a combat zone so he could not possibly been in combat!

The prospect of office now days, is so disrespected, that no person worth his salt would want to occupy it.

The halls of congress are more akin to a bordello than anything considered in the past.

Oh yeah? I laugh at anal retentive spell checkers more!! ]:)

Just don’t leave them in Iraq or Afghanistan or we will face them in the next war. These countries will not be our friends in the future.

That the truth, This man been there and came back. Thanks MRAP, and all the 3rd shop guy who keep it on the road. With out you, I would be ‚or parts off me, would be, just a cloud of mist, or dirt nap.

Best seat in the house.

Lol. Like the vehicles would be of any threat. BMP’s I’m more worried about and they have their mechanical a$$3$ handed to them on a daily basis by stoners with RPG’s.

Sell’em. Make a buck or two. If we fight them in the next war then it’s nothing we can’t pick off from 5 miles out with Hellfire. By that time we’ll most likely have the railgun up and running. Then we can pick them off from 50miles.

No worries, dude. We got this.

Tell that to our wounded military who have lost arms, legs, genitals and suffered traumatic brain injury from riding in HUMVEES!!! Tell our dead soldiers families how much better the smaller vehicles and HUMVEES protect our soldiers. As a military daughter of a WWII and a Korean Marine Officer Veteran, a wife of a retired Army Officer Veteran, a sister of a retired Air Force Officer Veteran and more recently a Mother of an Army Officer who served in Iraq as a Army National Guard, I wish you would consider the safer, more protected armored vehicle. Mothballing these possibly safer vehicles is a crime! Our troops deservere the very Best!

Just because you are part of DoD leadership does not mean you have to be in triple digit IQ. That is not a requirement… Tell him for me, that while thank you for your service is trite and inadequate, I don’t know what else to say to someone who will stand at risk for the country and the world, there are some remarkable people standing in the gap for this country, and obviously he is one of them, whether the DoD thinks so or not.

There are none left in Iraq… all were removed.

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