House Republicans’ alternate vision for defense

House Republicans’ alternate vision for defense

Build-down? Drawdown? Shrinking fleets? Mothballs? Not if House Republican lawmakers have anything to say about it.

Two key committees are putting bills on target this week that leaders want to take the Defense Department in a very different direction from the one it charted in its own budget submission earlier this year. The House Appropriations Committee’s defense subcommittee and the House Armed Services Committee both would spend billions more than the Pentagon requested and keep or expand some of the choice assets that DoD was willing to deal.

The Air Force would keep its C-27J Spartan airlifters, at least for now. The Navy would keep and modernize three of the seven cruisers it wants to mothball. The HASC would bar increases in Tricare fees and the establishment of new fees. It would mandate an environmental impact statement about a potential ballistic missile defense site on the East Coast. (To handle the potential threat if Iceland builds a ballistic missile arsenal.) And it would pile on the homework the Building owes the Hill every year — whether or not it actually turns it in — with the following, per the committee:


  • Requires the Secretary of Defense to report to Congress on areas of risk within the defense industrial base, potential single points of failure, and overreliance on foreign sourcing.
  • Requires the Secretary of Defense to develop a national security strategy for the defense industrial base, clarifying that the base is must be capable of supplying, equipping, and supporting required force structure.
  • Establishes new goals for procurement contracts awarded to small business concerns.

Secretary Gates hated these report mandates so much he ordered that each new study include how much it had cost to prepare, but Congress  plainly does not care about money.

The Base Realignment And Closure process, of which DoD requested two rounds, is totally off the table. That is because the drawdown that would have necessitated it simply will not take place, Republicans say.

As for hardware, here’s how HAC-D’s announcement broke down what its appropriations bill would support, as compared to what DoD requested:

Research and Development – The bill contains $70 billion – $2.4 billion below last year’s level and $576 million above the President’s request – for research, development, testing, and evaluation of new defense technologies. This basic and applied research, system development, and testing will help to advance the safety and success of current and future military operations, and will help prepare our nation to meet a broad range of potential future security threats.

The bill funds continued research and development of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the KC-46A tanker program, the P8-A Poseidon, the new Air Force bomber program, the Broad Area Maritime Surveillance (BAMS) Unmanned Aerial Vehicle, the Navy Unmanned Combat Air Vehicle, the Ohio class submarine replacement, the Army and Marine Corps Joint Light Tactical Vehicle, the Army Ground Combat Vehicle, the Israeli Cooperative Program, and other important development programs.

Equipment Procurement – The legislation provides a total of $102.5 billion – $2.1 billion below last year and $875 million above the President’s request – for equipment and upgrades. This funding is necessary to ensure our nation’s military readiness and provide the necessary platforms, weapons, and other equipment our forces need to train, maintain military force structure, and conduct successful operations.

For example, the bill includes $15.2 billion to procure 11 Navy ships, including three DDG-51 destroyers and advance procurement for two SSN-774 Attack Submarines in fiscal year 2014; $5.2 billion for 29 F-35 aircraft; $3.6 billion for 12 E/A-18G Growlers and 37 F/A-18E/F Hornet aircraft, including advance procurement for 15 additional E/A-18G Growlers; $2.5 billion for 69 UH-60 Blackhawk and 42 MH-60S/R helicopters; $2.0 billion for the National Guard and Reserve Equipment Account; $1.7 billion for four Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicles; $1.2 billion for 14 C-130J variants; and $677 million ($792 million bill-wide) to maintain and modernize three Navy cruisers slated for decommissioning.

Can it happen? Is it realistic? Hard to imagine Senate Democrats going along, but it may be too soon to know. And there was a third announcement from the HASC Republicans on Monday that could mean bad news for both its proposals and those of HAC-D. Here was the headline: “31 Military and Vets Groups Urge Congress to Take ‘Immediate’ Action on Sequester.”

Few in Congress need urging from vets groups or anyone else to appreciate the dangers of the budgetary guillotine, and yet even an all-star alphabet soup of outside organizations, from the Air Force Association to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, probably will not be able to break the logjam. As long as the threat of some $500 billion in reduced defense budget growth looms over everyone’s head, it will probably keep casting a shadow over everything else Congress proposes.

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They want to stop sequestration? How about do their freakin’ jobs and pass a budget? Stop playing politics with national defense, the maintaining of which, if I’m not mistaken, is ALSO their part of their job. How about stop throwing money down the drain on LCS variants which are probably floating coffins so that the Navy CAN keep the cruisers it needs?

The House Republicans have passed budgets the last two years or since they have had the majority in that legislative body.

1) Obama’s last two budgets were voted down 99 — 0 in the Senate and something like 400–35 in the House
2) The Democrat controlled Senate are the ones who have not passed nor presented a budget in over 3 years, against the law apparently but Harry Reid has simply said ‘shove it’ to the American people.

@Geoffry Woods,

“They want to stop sequestration?Stop playing politics with national defense, the maintaining of which, if I’m not mistaken, is ALSO their part of their job. ”

The problem is what the leading Democrats have no any interests in stop sequestration and the small margin of responsible remain democrats know this also. So the GOP can do effectively nothing to stop sequestration how long the Dems control the Senate as consequence of this all ignore Sequestration in the fuggy hope to reach a deal on this after the election. And this because why in the moment the democrats will only lift sequestration them the GOP rise the Tax by 1, 2 –1, 5 Trillion and cut also another 300 Billion from the DOD and self this is probably for the Dems not enough.

And on the other GOP side it is also impossible to break their anti-tax promise because why this will mean definitively a big defeat in the election 2012 or even a splitting of the GOP in two parties (Tea Party and old School GOP).

So the only responsible think what the pro-defense republican can do is to create a Budget how reverse some of the idiotic decisions of the DOD and the Obama Administration. And those only the GOP win the Senate 2012 it is likely what there Budget will become largely reality, so the GOP plays on this point the right card.

“How about stop throwing money down the drain on LCS variants which are probably floating coffins so that the Navy CAN keep the cruisers it needs?”

Nice Idea, but please don’t forget what the LCS are at last one of the Programs what the Navy defend at most against a large group of skeptics from both Party.

the seeds of our economic destruction were sown long before Bush. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Fannie, Freddie.. these well intended programs, without risk management & cost control mechanisms, are what are killing us. The predicted cost overruns for Obamacare are dwarfing those of defense programs. So you could blame the Republicans, slash defense, resulting in greater risk to national security, mass layoffs, & less economic return on investment from the defense program (thing GPS, radar, Internet), and we would be in just as much of a debt/deficit mess, if not worse, by not focusing on the REAL PROBLEM that threatens the American economy.

This is Republican being retarded again. There is NO repeat NO money for such a budget and firing thousands of civilians working for the federal Government would create a huge Economic meltdown it would bring Greek collapses to the USA’s economy. Overall this plan has ZERO chances of passing, and @ Araya even if the Dems lose the senate which is not certain by any chance President Obama will almost certainly win reelection and VETO any BIG bloated DoD budget, and same goes for those scum bag Republicans like Buck McKenon who wants to starve Grandma and grandpa buy scrapping Social Security, its not happening.

Overall this is a bill that Will NOT PASS. And sequestration is coming. The Government due to both parties is broken and no BIG bloated DoD solution will be passing in time. Face it the DoD doesn’t want a C-27 so why force it on them this is crap. C-27J and ICC and others programs need to die and a leaner DoD programs and budget need to make it.

The USA under both parties is head down the same path the Soviet Union went economical in the 80s and we know what happened.

I like how they call all of this stuff “defense” but we are always the ones deploying armed forces to places around the world.

Got more news looks like President Obama will VETO this plan since it goes against the Budget act of last year. See this isn’t going to happen. http://​news​.yahoo​.com/​w​h​i​t​e​-​h​o​u​s​e​-​p​r​o​m​i​s​e​s​-​v​e​t​o-g

@Lance

“@ Araya even if the Dems lose the senate which is not certain by any chance President Obama will almost certainly win reelection and VETO any BIG bloated DoD budget, and same goes for those scum bag Republicans like Buck McKenon who wants to starve Grandma and grandpa buy scrapping Social Security, its not happening.”

You really underestimate the effect what the full control of the House and Senate will mean in favor of the GOP. It is true what Obama can Veto every Budget even them the GOP has a sling majority but he cannot do this on infinite time because that everyone will see him as what he is, the real cause of the deadlocked and dysfunctional Government. So in the moment it is easy for Obama to avoid the evidence of this fact because what nearly all Laws die in Senate or even not come to vote because of Harry Reids blockade tactic but them the GOP control the Senate the only men how will stand in Way of a functional Government will be Obama. And as consequence you will rapidly see that Obama will move to the center or even to the right like Clinton has done after 1994 or his party will suffer as Consequences of is blockade tactic another Historic defeat in the Congress election 2014.

And what means Obama reelection chances so I give him a 60% to win but it still a 40% chance what he will lose and I hope for because why I can no seen any rational reason why this man should earn either a second therm. And pleas spare me with b ullshit like Obama has killed Osama the reality was what Obama has eat chips In Washington as the Special Force has kill the bastard. And the other thinks what Obama has done are not really popular his “Obamacare” is loved by no one but hated by a majority, is stimulus package has fail completely and this are the words of is Ministry of finance, the economy is in a weak recovery and he has made more depths them all other Presidents of the American History jointly!

And what means the Foreign Policy so the USA has lose a lot of Influence and Power because of Obama’s politic of weakness and the best evidence for this what all your strategic enemy’s wish another Obama term ! Sorry but what is more alarming them a Recommendation to vote for Obama by Dmitri Medvedev, Putin and Hu Jintao?

“Overall this is a bill that Will NOT PASS. And sequestration is coming. The Government due to both parties is broken and no BIG bloated DoD solution will be passing in time. Face it the DoD doesn’t want a C-27 so why force it on them this is crap. C-27J and ICC and others programs need to die and a leaner DoD programs and budget need to make it.”

Yes the bill will not pass like every other bill why the democrats have not interests to pass any bill why them they pass a bill it will be really hard to campaign against the “dysfunctional” Government. So it is equal them you seek a compromises to avoid sequestration jet or not because why the only think what the democrats will accept before the election will be a 100% democratic solution and this mean simple 1, 5 Trillion to 2 Trillion in additional taxes another 250–300 Billion cut in the bloated DOD Budget and no any reform of the real cause of your depts. the unplayable Social Security and Medicare System.

And In this situation the GOP play the right card they has pass every years since they become the majority a Budget because Democratic the Senate has since 3 Years no pass any Budget and them the thinks ends positive for the GOP 2012 there Budget will become quickly reality. And to fix sequestration you must wait for the lame duck season or for a complete defeat of the Democrats and Obama.

Bobby — Obama last budget was unanimously voted down in the house and wasn’t even allowed for debate in the Senate.

How about we cut some carrier groups, and plow the savings into massive floating laser platforms, powered by nuclear reactors. Mobile air defense zones. Yeah, gimme that thumbs down. You know you want laser platforms.

You must be a died in the heart republican but the GOP wont get a senate super majority and fact is the GOP is cliff diving so I wouldn’t be on taking all branches in government. The budget has no future Already has a veto threat and Senate Dems will not allow the bill to pass. Sequestration will come before any new congress comes anyway.

Starve Grandma and Grandpa? Really? talk about grandstanding. My older brother just retired from 34years with the City Of Corpus Christi, Texas. Grandma and Grandpa worked their whole lives, giving to Social Security every payday. Corpus Christi(I know the name “Body of Christ” is offensive to most of you liberals)opted out of Social Security 50+ years ago. Grandma and Grandpa(the average, non disabled, Social Security retiree) will recieve $8600 a year. Those dis-loyal Corpus Christi retirees will recieve $68,000 per year. Grandma and Grandpa may be starving, but its a giant PONZI scheme/ Slush fund that will be doing it, not EVIL Republicans.

The GOP wouldn’t need a super majority if they took the majority for a budget issue, they could use reconciliation and it would be a straight up or down vote.

@Lance

“You must be a died in the heart republican but the GOP”

Possible what I’m a GOP sympathizer because why I’m not a Communist (I hate them) because why I saw how real “soft” Communism works in the DDR and this will be enough for my whole live. And I see also how the European Social Democratic Model “works” every day because why I live in Germany (the riches bigger Country in Europe) and them I see now Obama Politics and this of some of his Democrats I see exact the same politic how has ruined Greece, France, Spain and Italy and Belgium and how will ruin early or later the rest of Europe!

“The budget has no future Already has a veto threat and Senate Dems will not allow the bill to pass.”

No why the GOP will simply use reconciliation and also not all Democrats are idiots are like Harry Reid.

“Sequestration will come before any new congress comes anyway.”

Even them Sequestration will happen and this will mean a new recession! So it will be only a Sequestration for 2–3 Months before the next Congress can act and stop this insane but you will see what this 2–3 will also not happen them the GOP wins because why the Dems will seek to save how many they can from their ideological projects before the next Co0gnress cam in Office how long they have the 2–3 Months Sequestration as pressure.

The Republicans had to choose between thier rich banking buddies and national defense. Thier vision is clear: a weaker America with richer friends.

And the House Repbulicans were playing politics with their budgets too, that’s why they didn’t go through the Senate. You can’t complain about what the Democrats are doing when the Republicans are doing the same thing. Neither party has America’s best interests in mind, only their own. And as the moderate legislators get out of this boondoggle it will only get worse.

DC2

Yes, both parties are heading us for a financial disaster and both are to blame.

If I recall correctly, Constitutionally the President doesn’t set the budget so his proposal is really just a wish list.

Well, all the Bush tax cuts will expire. There will be an extra 400 billion dollars per year coming into the Federal treasury whcih could avoid sequestration if you believe democrat Rep Smith and could provide extra money for more defense spending. Of course, we would feel it in our wallets as we would have to pay a lot more in taxes.

House Republicans hurt their own case by pushing for all this pork.

Tax increases never bring in the amount of money they say it will. Tax increases cost jobs and therefore decrease the tax base.

I’ve been a Republican for 45 years, not always voting that way but for whom I believe would do the best. This being an election year, all parties are worried. Another 4 years of broken promises? Another candidate that doesn’t understand military? Nope to both. I’m going with Ron Paul even if he doesn’t stand a chance. Please think this election as to what is going on before you push a button or pull a lever. Don’t just vote Democract because you are a democract or a Republican vote because you are a Republican. Look at the whole picture. See what has happened to our benefits. And what is going to happen. Go for it and vote!

I used to have that same attitude (voting for who was best + limited belief that either party was really helping normal USA citizens) and it prompted me to vote for Ross Perot (more fiscally responsible and not dogmatically tied to either party). I ended up with Bill Clinton as President. So now I have to ask myself, if I vote for Ron Paul who will I end up with as POTUS?

I don’t know about anyone else, but I read this site for its news content. Please do not, repeat not, put your political views in a supposed news piece! Comments like: “(To handle the potential threat if Iceland builds a ballistic missile arsenal.)” illustrate not only your political beliefs but your ignorance as well. Please stick to the facts!

AMEN!

Per the treasury dept web, federal income last year was over 5 trillion dollars (income taxes — ss — med — fees) and the federal budget total was only 2.3 trillion dollars (for all agencies including DoD). So what both sides of the house should be doing is figuring how to cut the 3 trillion dollars in non constitutional spending and put it back into the country for the commonwealth of all our citizens. CONTINUED BELOW

Rather than one group focusing on how to get more money from the 1% they should put that effort into realizing that if you get the 52% of non tax payers to work and paying taxes that you would actualy be making a difference, and its the other sides fault for not pushing this issue or making folks aware of it as well. We need to lock down the borders and deport all the illegals, they cost us more every year than a new ship or couple of fighter planes. We need to freeze letting people immigrate when unemployment reaches 4.5% and not restart till it levels back out to a sustainable rate. We need to give soverignty back to the territories and just rent property from them if we really need to be there rather than letting thier non taxpaying population collect US bennefits for free. If some one running for office would just tell the truth for once I would have more faith in our govt.

But the Bush tax cuts will still expire.

It is possible what Rep Smith plan will work but this requires what the democrats are ready to accept the replace of the sequestration whit a part of the new incomes and exactly this is the problem because why the majority of the democrats are now like Barney frank or better said irresponsible socialist hooligans. By all outrage about the Tea Party radicals how kidnapped the GOP the people have not notice what the Democrats are also kidnapped by Communists radicals. So the Blue Dog Democrats are nearly disappear and the largest part of the Democrats how have survived 2010 are Barney Franks and they should all to know what Barney Frank is disturbed crazy and so it will be hard to believe what the Rep Smith plan will work. So it is more probably is what the Busch tax Cuts expires completely and the Sequestration also happen as consequence the days of the USA as a World Power will be counted.

So to avoid Sequestration you will need a decisive GOP triumph or at least a GOP majority in the Senate because why this will made the question about Sequestration a question between Obama/White House and the GOP without a Democratic firewall how can give Obama distance to the disaster how will happen them Sequestration happen and the Busch tax cuts expires.

@Sam pleas think about what will be better for your Country.

Option One

A Socialist called Obama how has made more depths them all other presidents in the History of your country jointly and transform your country in a second Europe and how is also favored by all you enemy’s like Russia, Red China, Iran and a lot more because why he is willing to make concession for 5 minutes of fame and insane ideas like a “nuclear free world”.

Option Two

A not pure conservative called Mitt Romany how will not seek to raise your tax or and how will also not set up new depth records like Obama and how will also not betrayal you to the Russians for 5 is minutes of fame. Mitt Romney is not charismatic like Ronald Reagan and he will also not be a staunch conservative but he will be far better them the actual prophet of the left wing Obama.

So these are all or real options to vote for Ron Paul will be the same like a direct vote for Barak Obama! Now decide what is better for you and your country from the point of vive of a conservative?

And don’t forget also what the last time as people like you had voted for a pure conservative (Ross Perot) they have get exactly the opposite of that he voted for (Bill Clinton). Without Ross Perot the History there differently why Busch senior has won the election, so please don’t make the same mistake what again.

Sorry but to build a Missile Defense Base on the East Coast can make a lot of sense because why you get so a second defense line against a missile attack how has overcome the planed missile defense side in east Europe so you can get a second chance to stop a devastating strike against your biggest Towns.

So your Missile defense has in the moment a big gap on the east because why the GBI Rockets in Alaska and California can only shut down Missiles how are fired from Nord Korea or how target the West coast an attack from Iran against the West coast cannot be stopped. So to close this Gap the USA seek to build a Missile defense base in east Europe but under the actual (Obama Plan) this side will not be able to shout down Missiles how target the USA because why they will be to high them they fly over Europe for the now planed SM3 Missiles in compare with the original Bush Plan how has scheduled GBI Missiles.

“$5.2 billion for 29 F-35 aircraft; $3.6 billion for 12 E/A-18G Growlers and 37 F/A-18E/F Hornet aircraft, including advance procurement for 15 additional E/A-18G Growlers”

So for 3.6bil we can get 49 aircraft plus advanced procurment for another 15 or we can get 29 aircraft.…Hmmm…

Cut LCS cut F-35. Buy F-15SE or F-22 (Yes i know about the oxygen problems but as others have stated the Navy has had the same problem but just makes its pilots where airtanks on their suits.…why doesnt the Airforce?). Buy more F-18E/F/G/I. Work towards a Naval fighter and strike aircraft.

Buy rights to build a Absolon class Here in the US at US yards Build 50–60 or time. Cut the Tico’s. Get the DDG replacment going. But just build more DDG-51’s for now. Cancel DDG-1K, Develope a cruiser for land and surface warfare. These ships go with the Amphib fleets or gather for fleet actions.

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A thing to think on. Time in yard= cost increases, Build ships ontime and stop stringing them along. That is one reason the new Carrier class is so freaking much. Putting 1,000 new things into one class at step one leads to insane cost and delays. Get a good replacment for the nimitz or other vessels worry about the super systems after you have a proven warfighter.

Cancel GCV. Develope a APC or a IFV but it doesnt need to be 50 FREAKING + TONS!.

Want to own the oceans dump the surface fleet and build lots of submarines, just as the battleship was shown to be a dinosaur during WW2(I know they blew the hell out of some beach bunkers) a modern fleet action on the high seas would show cruisers destroyers carriers et all would die fast to subs plus they would mine the crap out of any and all harbors.

Really ask boomers how they like having a fleet above them pinging away with active sonar. ASW aircraft droping bouys, dipping sonar arays etc.

Modern navies are fleets. Each platform has a group of strengths and weaknesses. Together these platforms correct their weaknesses and amplify their strengths.

A Sub is expensive. 1 sub of our virginia subs is going to cost around 2–2.4 bil. and launches a very small number of ground attack weapons and even torpedo’s. A Absolon class cost around 300-400mil and carries far more wepons of all types. Can do several missions a Sub never can and creates a presence seen and felt. A sub is screwed once found.

So no you wouldnt own the surface. Infact you would own little.

EVERYTHING HAS ITS PLACE. This is the law of warfare. And reality.

Been there and done that — old 640 class sub took on the enterprise CBG for 3 days and even though we had to stay in a designated box to make it easier on the surface fleet and we were in a 30 yr old boat we still mannaged to embarass the heck outta the surface fleet despite all thier efforts, We even broached a couple of times to let them know we were around and still eveded them. Only subs are effective at finding and killing subs.

Yes subs are the best platforms for taking on subs. However they cant do the jobs of the surface vessels like the carriers or DDG’s. Or the Frigates.

Everything has its place. The SSGN is outstanding for a opening strike on land targets that are stationary and vulnerable. However its cant assist in landing a marine company or battalion 30mi into a hostile country.

My problem is with people who carry around the simplistic view that there is a golden BB for every situation. There isnt.

definately not a golden BB anywhere. I agree subs cant land and sustain large troop movements in combat, no question. was only responding to subs not having a chance against a surface fleet. At the same time I will say that a lot of our current ships to include gators and carriers have the avail deck space for stand alone add on weapons systems that would make them more effective in combat and take up the slack of fewer escorts becoming available.

Belasari — all valid comments; however, MGC’s original comment was “own the high seas” and “modern fleet action.” He was referring to ship on ship battles.

The Russians have tried it infact its been tried alot before. Certain missions dont go well together. Not only that those open deck spaces and new systems would require more crew to operate which would put strain on already full systems…

Thats the thing you cant just Add a system. There are multiple things that go with them​.In the end you make a monster so expensive and with so many problems someone will just ask ‘why didnt you just make a new design?” well its seemed simple at first.…

Ummm… the sequestration was a Republican idea — a gun to the head of the budget supercommittee. In the words of some republican congressmen:

“This sequester was never intended to be policy. It was meant to be something both parties wished to avoid, in order to motivate members of the supercommittee to work together.”

The supercomittee failed, basically because any revenue enhancement was off the table. Sequestration is a guillotine invented by tax radicals for whom deficit reduction was more important than anything else. Now republicans want to disown their own tool, or maybe the freshman tea party folks?

Clearly, no one was concerned about money from 2002–2008, when we got spent into the poor house while giving tax breaks to those who didn’t need them. Now its time to pay the piper, and everyone knows taxes are going to increase. The question is how much and where. But the cowards that created this situation and have since failed to own up on it haven’t got the guts to see reality or remedy the problem, because they know it’ll end their miserable political careers (a good reason for both term and lobbying limits).

Nor do they have the guts to fix (REALLY fix — not simply stop paying for it by making the asinine claim that its an entitlement when we all pay for it anyway) healthcare, where a huge amount of our national budget goes, or the military acquisition system, which garners the USA taxpayer the lousiest deal on the planet (great weapons, but lousy bang for the buck).

The basic problem for years is that we have and have had elected officals (all parties) that are more interested in publicity that actually doing their jobs. It has been a problem since the founding of the rupublic. Notice that birtually all members are more intested in hot button issues to ensure reelection than solving problems. As for the Pentagon, before receiving more funding account for what has been spent in the past. We have decades bleeding money with little to show for it.

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