WH shrugs on timetable for reopened Pak supply routes

WH shrugs on timetable for reopened Pak supply routes

President Obama made quite a splash with his announcement that almost everything is locked in for the withdrawal of American combat troops from Afghanistan.

This month in Chicago, he and his top NATO colleagues will nail down exactly how and when the next milestones take place, and who’ll foot the bill. Obama is making the pitch that he is delivering what he promised in extricating U.S. troops from Iraq and now Afghanistan, and the final pieces are coming together.

Terrific. So how is the Army actually going to get a decade’s worth of stuff home and out of Afghanistan? The vital ground supply routes through Pakistan remain closed after last year’s cross-border air strike, and a senior White House national security official declined Friday to say whether it was a question of “when” or “whether” they would re-open.


“We’re not in the game of predictions here, so I’d rather not get into predicting what’s gonna happen,” said Denis McDonough, Obama’s deputy national security advisor. He met with DoDBuzz and other bloggers ahead of this weekend’s Military​.com Milblog conference, taking place outside Washington.

McDonough said the Obama administration had been “very impressed watching how our forces on the ground have been able to mange the situation with them closed,” and he said that commanders obviously “plan for a range of contingencies and we’re ready for those.” The U.S. thinks Pakistan should re-open the supply routes, and when it does, “that would be an indicator of an improved relationship,” he said.

Still, despite negotiations and visits by ISAF commander Gen. John Allen and Central Command boss Gen. James Mattis, it does not appear that Islamabad wants to play ball. In the meantime, logistics costs have escalated as NATO forces have relied exclusively on their northern distribution routes and thousands of vehicles bound for the Afghan army remain bottled up in Pakistan or blocked from transport there.

As our senior Army logistics correspondent Michael Hoffman wrote this week, planners are already figuring out how they’ll “retrograde” all the U.S. gear out of Afghanistan, and not having the Pakistani conduits will make that much more difficult. Even if they were reopened, the Afghanistan pullout still would be tougher than the one from Iraq.

Wrote Hoffman:

Pakistan’s decision to shut down its border to coalition convoys will make the job significantly harder. Maj. Gen. Kevin Leonard, the head of Military Surface Deployment and Distribution Command, said the military withdraw will cost five times more than if the Army had access to Pakistani sea ports.

Commanders who led the Iraqi withdrawal spoke Wednesday at the Association of the U.S. Army’s Sustainment Symposium, telling the crowd of Army officers and defense industry leaders their counterparts in Afghanistan will struggle without access to the network of sea ports they had in Iraq, Kuwait and Jordan.

“When we talk about the complexity of Iraq and then consider the complexity of [Operation Enduring Freedom] drawdown. It is an order of magnitude higher in terms of the degree of difficulty,” said Col. James B. Stanford, commander of the 595th Transportation Brigade.

The Army logistics officers called Kuwait the “catcher’s mitt” as it absorbed one convoy after another packed with everything from rifles to computers to ice cream machines. From Oct. 11, 2011 to Dec. 18, 2011, the Army drove 481 convoys and “retrograded” over 16,000 truckloads of supplies.

“We don’t have a Kuwait in Afghanistan so it’s a different program. The relationship with Kuwait was absolutely key to the whole thing,” said Lt. Gen. Raymond V. Mason, the U.S. Army deputy chief of staff for logistics. Along with its access to the sea, Kuwait provided soldiers a safe haven to collect supplies from a multitude of bases, to sort through them, and then pack them for shipment. In Afghanistan, soldiers will have to do all of that on site.

“The challenge of Afghanistan is that you’re not going to get economies of scale like you got in Kuwait. You’re going to always have to do it in place,” Mason said. “Afghanistan is spread out, it’s decentralized. When you get economies of scale you’re more efficient. In Afghanistan we’re not going to be as efficient as we’d like to be.”

It’ll add more expense to an already expensive war, but with public support for Afghanistan plumbing new depths, Washington may find that the handover and withdrawal will be worth the price.

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Its a lose lose situation. If we dont use the sea ports in Pakistan the military would spend Billion more airlifting its equipment threw Russia to Europe. Any deal that would let us use the seaports would cripple our protection for convoys and undermine any success we had in fighting AQ in Pakistan. We lose either way.

well I’m just testing because I did a password change and all my post get instantly deleted.

Use sea freight carrier, air freight carreir, FedEx, UPS, or use a number of our C– Galaxy, C-141B Starlifter to move it to the strategic area or back to USA.

“Use sea freight carrier” because Afghanistan has all those sea ports. Airbus 300’s and Boeing 757’s are great at transporting really big items. Just because they transport Christmas Cards really well doesn’t mean they’ll transport this kind of military infrastructure.

Roland, check the map, A-stan is landlocked. C-141s have been retired for over 15 years. Appreciate your thoughts.

Couple of options, Make a road to the sea and control it from now till the end of time. We don’t need anyone’s permission. Make our own entrance/exit on the PAK border and disregard them like we have with the drone’s. Take it on thru IRAN whil we conduct our NUKE inspection.

I wonder how much money Countries like Pakistan get from us every year. Quid Pro Quo. I have become tired of treating Countries to our different resources only to have them not return the favor. Globalization without recidivism isn’t! We have (possibly) made mistakes in having UAV’s strike (Innocent) targets inside Paki. Then again how long did Osama live in Paki without the Paki’s finding them. I try not to be narrow minded when it comes to Hajjis, however their attitude does not always make it easy. I will always prefer the Carrot over the stick, however I do keep they stick handy for when the carrot didn’t work. I truly hope we can get at least 75% over our equipment back without the Hajji’s trying to graft more then usual.

Probably less than 24% will be returned by air transport. The rest will be left in place for the Afghans and will eventually be taken over by the Taliban who of course will take control shortly after our departure. These billions in equipment will be in addition to the $40 billion dollars in a ten year aid package from 2014 through 2024 to the Afghan Army for salaries, etc. proposed as part of the withdrawal by the WH. This will include not only rolling stock but computer and radar equipment and maybe even drones stationed in the country. I estimate the withdrawal will leave at least $80 billion in equipment left behind including those in the “scrap yards” for parts to keep theother equipment in working order.

C-141 where have you been? Those have been at the boneyard in Arizona for a lOng time now. Most if not all have been processed as scrap. The only heavy lifters the US Military has now are C-5, C-17, and the C-130. Thats it. Everything has to be driven out thru Pakistan or flown out, which like the story says will cost billions and take years. Thanks barry, job well done. Oh yeah say hi to Putin, oh thats right he shined you again. What a guy.

Figure how much it will cost to exit through Pakistan. If they say no, figure out whatever difference another route will cost. And deduct the difference from whatever we will borrow from China to give to Pakistan.
Now the question is: Why are we borrowing money to give them anyway? They don’t want to play with us, the hell with them anyway.
Better yet. Fly all that equipement a few 100 miles, drop it off in India and give it them.

“Ametuers studyTactics, Professionals study Logistics.” Another Chester A. Rieley moment in history, “What a revolting developement this is.” Perhaps they can wait for the Karzai Special Railroad to be built.

You estimate? There wasn’t even $80 billion worth of equipment in Iraq, let alone what we left behind.

We may end up using routes through the south Caucasus. It isn’t ideal as it involves complex agreements with multiple countries and some buy in on Russia’s part, but if the Paks are an issue when we draw down that’s the only option essentially.

Sure makes one flash back to just after 9/11, when the Iranians offered use of airbases, hospitals, logistical support, gave the US huge amounts of actionable intelligence in support of our Afghan campaign, and bluntly expressed a desire to re-normalize diplomatic relations with the USA.

The geniuses in the Bush Administration responded by adding them to the so-called “axis of evil”, and told them they were next — thereby turning what could’ve potentially been the diplomatic coup of the century into a historic foreign policy/national security disaster. And now — its paying off for the enemies of the USA even more.

I dont remember this developments. Can I read about this somewhere on the web?

How about a big yard sale? Or an auction? If this situation wasn’t so pathetic it would be laughable. Here we are, the world’s number one superpower (last I looked anyway), and we are being held hostage by Pakistan. Of course, based on the way we treat our so-called friends, it’s not surprising that Pakistan has created the world’s biggest parking lot for military goodies. How must of that stuff is spoiled or turned to rust by now? I can imagine the frustration that our mighty leaders are going through. Here we are, the greatest military power in the world, bankrupt and held hostage by our wonderful ally in the War Against Terrorism. Our troops are eating Ramen noodles, while the T-bones have turned to mush by now. What amazes me is that sappers have not attacked and destroyed our Wal-Mart on wheels. My guess is that the Pakistani’s are simply outlasting the presence of our troops in AStan so that they can claim possession of the billions of dollars of logistical supplies left at the Pakistan/Afghanistan border. Maybe Pakistan can hold a “Storage Wars” sale after we ignominiously depart AStan and let it revert back to its stone-age existence. Pathetic!

Pakistan isn’t going to quit trying to protect AQ and the Taliban and we’re not going to stop trying to blow the enemy up so I don’t see the road being opened back up.

While I share your disgust at Pakistan, the surplus of material happens after big wars. My father has told me that you could buy a P-51 Mustang for next to nothing after WW II. He and his brother bought a Jeep for next to nohting and drove it for years.

Best Idea I saw was to sell it to India, Pak o Stans Very unfriendly nieghbor and counter wieght to China. We save money, pay none to our enemies and make a new friend happy. Win win.

Why not convoy it through Iran and blast anything that gets in our way, all the way to Basra.

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