In this war, even the peace dividend will cost you

In this war, even the peace dividend will cost you

The past is gone, you can’t get back money you’ve already spent — what’s done is done. The war in Afghanistan may not get one of the good chapters in future histories of the United States, but at least it’s almost over, right?

That seems to be the sense of many Americans as next week’s NATO summit in Chicago approaches. By overwhelming margins, the nation wants the war to end, and unlike Iraq, it doesn’t even seem to want consolation prizes such as repayments or permanent bases. As you’ve read here before, though, the U.S. is locked into Afghanistan for at least  another 12 years, including the transfer of authority to Kabul and then the longer-term training and counterterrorism agreement President Obama announced.

So although Obama will do his utmost to sell voters on the narrative that he “ended” the war, not only will American involvement outlast even his potential second term, Americans will still be paying for it that whole time. (And this does not count the service on the debt the U.S. raised to finance it all.)


One picture of how much they’ll pay got a little clearer Thursday in a report from the Associated Press that gave a peak into the approximate breakdown for the long-term costs of sustaining the Afghan National Security Forces after the NATO withdrawal. We’ve heard Afghan President Hamid Karzai say before that he needs more than $4 billion per year for his army and police over that 10 year postwar period, and AP’s Anne Gearan had a breakdown of how that could work out:

U.S. officials have had their tin cups out for months. Marc Grossman, the top State Department official for Afghanistan, recently hit up European nations, and others are lobbying Russia, Central Asian and Asian nations. U.S. officials are asking for pledges to sustain an Afghan force of roughly 230,000 during the first three years after the NATO-led international force departs.

The argument is fairly straightforward. Even $4 billion a year to prop up the Afghan military is cheaper than the cost of maintaining a foreign army in Afghanistan, and a lot easier for war-weary publics to swallow. Some of the requests appear to be largely symbolic. For example, U.S. officials asked some of Afghanistan’s neighbors for initial pledges of about $5 million annually, said Richard Weitz of the Hudson Institute in Washington.

“That’s nothing, but it’s something, too,” Weitz said, since it serves the diplomatic goal of showing broad support for Afghan stability.

Afghanistan has said it will contribute $500 million toward its own army. The goal is $2.3 billion from the U.S. and nations outside the fighting coalition, and $1.3 billion from coalition nations other than the U.S.

Not bad at all, considering the $641 billion or so the U.S. has already spent in Afghanistan, although there’ll be many other ongoing costs, as well: The Army and Marine Corps are counting on continued “overseas contingency account” funding to reset as they withdraw; the U.S. will have to pay separately for the contingent of its own troops it leaves in Afghanistan, say about 20,000; and there’ll be costs for the withdrawal itself. Those also got a little clearer this week with news from Pakistan that it was willing to re-open its overland supply routes — for a price.

Saeed Shah of McClatchy reported that Pakistan and the U.S. are said to be close to announcing the supply lines will re-open — in fact, that could happen next week in Chicago, in a nice smiley-grippy ceremony for the cameras — at a new, higher scale. Shah quoted officials in Islamabad who said the new price could be about $1 million per day; other reports have said the U.S. could need to pay about $5,000 for every truck. The figures in his story only refer to supplies traveling from the port of Karachi north into Afghanistan, though. It’s unclear whether Pakistan would charge separately for vehicles moving south to Karachi as part of the Army’s planned “retrograde.” Even if it did, that might still be cheaper than trying to withdraw from Afghanistan using only the northern distribution network, based on what Army logisticians have said.

The bottom line? Just as Congress has been willing to pay whatever it took to fight in Afghanistan, Americans may be willing to pay whatever it takes to get out.

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No problems, if China do not want to buy more US debt, Ben will print a dozen of billions just for this…
Isn’t it great.

Depressing after we leave we give Billions to a Army full of traitors who shoot our men in there backs… Depressing.

After the last Afghan war foriegn jihardis faned out into the middle east. The same if likely to happen again. With Pakistan cutting the same deal again: protection for covert support, — It will be interesting to see which US backed dictatorship is next to tumble — perhaps Saudi Arabia.

Pakistan may on the other hand may decide to drag things out. A reduced force is just crying out for hostages. A reinvigorated Al Quaeda that is taking hostages while our loyal Pakistani allies milk us for very little progress sounds like a sustainable idea.

Not really seeing how this is a surprise; when have we invaded a country and not wound up paying for their military after the fact?

If you go to Kabul airport they still have the custom declarations for the crates of US$ cash shipped out of the country. 1$B is pretty heavy.

$500 million? How much have we given the Afghan government?

Will the cuts affect weapons systems–I have heard they will. In today’s world of war, conflicts are decided in the first few days or even hours. If our aircraft, missles, tanks, etc. are not the best we will lose. Modern democrats don’t seem to understand that.

only wars fought against inferior and undedicated militarys are won in the first few days. if we were to ever fight against a military close to ours
(ahem china??) logistics would win. look at world war two. allies always either had a mostly good supply of arms and ammo usa… or a never ending supply of people russia.… and that equals win. look at almost any war and the logistics are usually what enable that military to win. not that im supporting democrats but we need to not only have the best equipment. but also disposable equipment where it cut off our left lugnut if we lose it. equipment where if we lose it, its gone kinda like the f-22.

only wars fought against inferior and undedicated militarys are won in the first few days. if we were to ever fight against a military close to ours
(ahem china??) logistics would win. look at world war two. allies always either had a mostly good supply of arms and ammo usa… or a never ending supply of people russia.… and that equals win. look at almost any war and the logistics are usually what enable that military to win. not that im supporting democrats but we need to not only have the best equipment. but also disposable equipment where it cut off our left lugnut if we lose it. equipment where if we lose it, its gone kinda like the f-22.

Actually most of the jihadis stayed in Afghanistan. Their original countries would not allow many back.

irrelavant PR.

this is why we lose, because we have ass covering bureaucrats and they have warriors.

days and hours, LOL, no thats just contractor hype.

You have it the wrong way round. When you lose the war you dont get the spoils, you have to pay reperations. Thats why we are paying off Pakistan and Afghanistan and even the Taliban to try to make them stop hurting us.

I see the North Korean foriegn minister was in Indonesia last week. Met the President and agreed to open up stronger ties and trading between indonesia and NK. Something that would never have happened 10 years ago.

But thats what great power decline look like — nobody cares anymore what America thinks.

Because North Korea has so much to trade right?

Hate to break your fantasy of Mujaheddin supermen but the reality is that most of your inbred friends can’t even shoots straight. What they have on their side is time, and a corrupt Afghan national government that is incapable of capitalizing on any sort of successful military operation.

That is what is said in every report I’ve read. As “warriors” the Afghans are pathetic but the current government is extremely corrupt (because that is part of their culture).

If there’s a US failure it’s in our policies which keep leading us to support regimes that can’t stand on their own because the culture is too corrupt.

you really need to do some reading. Go study the Yom Kippur war.

You’re so delusional. What exactly have AQ and the Taliban “won”? The enemy hasn’t won anything, the US public has become bored with Afghanistan so we’re leaving. The only thing that keeps us from staying is that people have finally realized there’s virtually nothing to gain by staying there. before we invaded Afghanistan was a country of thugs and sheep herders who spent most of their efforts raiding each other. When we leave they’ll go right back to it but their influence is virtually nothing. Now that AQ has become a completely hollow force, they have no influence. AQ is even taking a beating in Yemen. All they’ve shown is that they know how to die.

What a joke, who cares what the leader of NK thinks, especially when we know he’s a nut job. Have you read about his new method of executions where people are tied to rockets? And you think that his word means anything? Really? And it just shows how naive Obama is when he thinks such conversations are going to influence the bahvior of NK.

If people don’t care what America thinks it’s because they know our current “leader” is an idiot and a weakling.

Put the 535 in a uniform and then see how long we will waste our troops and money in a country that will be at war forever. We cannot stop them from fighting but we can stop wasting our time, money and lives. Let those 535 hold their breath waiting on others to help us financially to support an illegal occupation. Shame on us.

Oh, I forgot the old you scratch my back and I’ll scratch yours; the lobbyists bribe our 535 to support a war machine and the 535 have to pay them back for the bribe money in their pockets by fabricating a war. Sorry, I forgot my common sense for a moment; follow the dollar.

The solution,IMHO is to make bribing (lobbyists) illegal, limit all terms to one, no retirement, and enforce the law that makes them subject to every bill they pass. Those 535 jobs should not be a profession, bet we could find plenty of honest Americans who would volunteer for a term to serve our nation.

End our involvement in Afghanistan completely with the withdrawal of troops.

All I can recall is the politicos complaining about Peace Dividends costs vs War Dividend costs.… Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.…guess creating verbal turmoil is the bottom line…Another re-election PLOY!!!!

I’m still waiting on the “peace dividend” (of lower fuel prices) for our illegal invasion of Iraq. Haliburton, you have a lot of splaining to do!
Oh yeah, a good sign the economy is about to implode, Carlyle Group just went IPO. As in, take the money and run.

Wow cue the music to deliverance. When the worlds larget muslim country thumbs it’s nose at US foriegn policy the hillbillies think it’s all about NK.

How are we going to win a global war on terror with provincial small town losers ?

Yea they didnt win we just got bored of dying LOL.

Loser talk

part 1 of 2 Russia was helping Afghanistan than they were at war with each other (?) and we steped in to help the little guy (see what it got us including 911). Now were sending them billions (even tho they have more money than we do) so rich middle people can get richer and get ride of surplus from long ago (M16s for one). Which puts us farther behind the 8 ball and allowing Congress and Senate not to keep there word with Vets and retired people. If you look at our elected officals of 50 years ago and compared them of todays.

part 2 of 2 They had to pay taxes like we do. Know if they don’t they have created laws to protect them and if they servie 4 years they solcial security at a much rate (they don’t pat it even). They get free medical for life. Our Military was to get free medical until 1980 and they pulled after all the WWII and Korena vets retired and the flooded them with COLA raises and than pulled the plug and said it was too costly. Know they have turn there backs on the whole country and say it is for the good of the nation (meaning there pockets). Just like back when they shipped millions of jobs over seas making whole familys homeless and expected local goverments to take care of them even tho there taxes payers were jobless and homeless. What next?

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