The ‘China’ syndrome

The ‘China’ syndrome

“China. There, I said it.”

So begins Virginia Rep. Randy Forbes, the House’s top China-tracker, in a column he penned this week for the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Too many people in the U.S. national security establishment won’t just go ahead and drop the C-bomb, Forbes argues, and their hesitance, or politeness, or fear, is hurting Washington’s ability to figure out which way to go.


There is an unmistakable reticence: Instead of talking about Chinese cyber-snooping and cyber attacks; the need to pace the threat of new Chinese weapons; or China’s aspirations for anti-access and area denial, the Pentagon’s leaders usually talk in code. They refer to “rising powers,” or “peer competitors” or “advanced adversaires,” but almost never to “China,” by name.

There are many reasons for this, but Forbes sets them up and knocks them down:

Writing about the need to speak more frankly about the nature of the competition will be deemed by some as unnecessarily provocative. First, critics will contend that, like during the 1990s, if we use terminology to describe China as a competitor, this could lead to further competition and the potential for arms racing and conflict. But China is already competing with us. Their military modernization effort of the last 15 years, combined with open-source doctrine and strategic publications, reflects a clear intention to focus on undermining traditional US military advantages.

Indeed, Rear Adm. Yang Yi, former director of the PLA National Defense University’s Institute for Strategic Studies, has gone so far as to remark that “We hope the competition will be healthy competition.” More importantly, we must recognize that the best way to avoid great-power conflict is to remain vigilantly prepared. This means being less reluctant to discuss the actions China is taking that leave us concerned: most notably their rapid military modernization, more assertive diplomatic posture (especially when it concerns freedom of navigation), cyber activities, aggressive espionage, and support for regimes like North Korea, Sudan, Iran, and Syria.

Critics are also likely to complain that discussing China in these terms will be a return to a “Cold War mentality.” Far from it. The US and China are not in an ideological competition on the scale of the Cold War and they share one of the largest trade relationships in the world. In fact, the United States has actively worked to enable China’s success over the last three decades. However, contrary to the belief that the end of the Cold War was also the end of great-power competition, today the US and China do find themselves in competition in specific geographic, economic, and strategic areas. This does not mean it will lead to conflict. Nor should it necessitate an overreaction. But because these areas of competition are not likely to subside, we must think carefully about how the United States can position itself for success.

Clear speaking will lead to clear thinking and vice versa, Forbes argues, and you can never have too much clarity on the U.S. and China. A lot of the open-source discussion about China in the U.S. is full of euphemisms, winks, nods, eyebrow raises and shrugs. A lot of it has more to do with castration anxiety on the part of American writers, or wallowing in fashionable declinism, than it does with looking squarely at problems. But for as pleasant as it is to daydream of a Washington in which foreign policy and national security types spoke simply and candidly, that will probably remain a daydream.

There is a case to be made that circumspection about China helps prevent the onset of an assumption that it will inevitably become a full-scale enemy of the U.S. A generation of European military officers expected and even looked forward to the conflict that became World War I; all they wondered about was which powers would align. Their sense of inevitability about the war helped make sure it took place. Even if some Chinese military thinkers talk openly about fighting the U.S. inside the family, that doesn’t mean American officers need to do the same.

It is frustrating, however, to hear the Pentagon talk about Air-Sea Battle, and see Secretary Panetta make a trip to Asia, and all the while tiptoe around what everyone knows to be obvious. People feel almost insulted when the chiefs of the Navy and Air Force insist that their long-term plans aren’t designed to defeat the challenges posed by the “advanced adversary” with its capital in Beijing. At least in the bad old days you could say: “If the balloon goes up and the 39th Guards Motor Rifle Division comes rolling through the Gap, we’ve got to have an AirLand Battle doctrine to help us even the odds.” Or you could say: “If the Soviets push the button, we’ll have about 15 minutes’ warning before the missiles get here.”

In that sense, maybe talking openly could be the best antidote to a potential war. At very least, it could air out the musty old attic of truisms and doublespeak about potential sources of conflict. Is America’s sometime commitment to Taiwan really worth World War III? How many sailors and airmen is it willing to sacrifice for the principle of “freedom of navigation” against a no-kidding adversary, as opposed to a joke like the 1980s-era Moammar Qadhafi? How could an America reduced to pulling its pockets inside-out go to war against one of its largest creditors?

The China discussion often fizzles out well short of these and other crucial questions, perhaps because war is too terrible to contemplate. The U.S. couldn’t fight a laid back, autopilot, what-else-is-on? war with China as it has with Iraq and Afghanistan. The American public would actually have to get involved, and it might actually have to pay — in blood or treasure or both — which raises the stakes considerably.

Should Washington leaders drop their hesitance about calling out China and start getting real, or is there value in certain kinds of politeness and discretion? What do you think?

NOTEThe photo that accompanies this post is an official Marine Corps image depicting the opening of a Marine recruiting post in New York’s Chinatown neighborhood. According to its official cutline, it includes “Chinese community” representatives who appeared with the Marines and American veterans who attended the opening. The image was chosen to illustrate the Defense Department’s official narrative that it does not consider China or the Chinese to be its enemies — quite the opposite, that it makes the effort to reach out and build relationships. The image is a counterpoint to the argument made in the column quoted in the post, that DoD and others in the Washington national security sphere should talk candidly about a potential or perceived threat from China.

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First, identify communist appeasement in DC for what it is.

We should be speaking plainly. Competitors can still respect each other. Chinese officers have no problem talking about using their weapons against American military targets. Our politeness isn’t being taken as reserve. It’s considered weakness and could lead to greater and more costly misunderstandings later.

Yep, that also.

Remember the Cold War. The USSR was happy to play a nice diplomatic game on one hand then sell T-55’s and MIG’s with the other. China will be no different.

And most of the elite chattering class would rather pretend that Taiwan didn’t exist.

The end of appeasement and the declaration of war cost millions of lives.

Of course, in the Good Old Days, the Soviets didn’t have their own checkout window at the US Treasury to buy bonds. China is actively buying up the debt that will fund the hardware for the Pacific Pivot. It’s hard to talk trash about a global competitor when he’s bankrolling your hot rods.

If the Chinese were worried about the US, then why buy US bonds at all?

The argument that the Chinese are our bankers falls flat, not only in the traditional way (If you owe the bank $1000, the banks owns you; if you owe the bank $1 billion, you own the bank.), but b/c it utterly fails to realize the reality that is the Chinese financial system.

China buys US bonds, b/c it has NO PLACE ELSE TO PUT ITS MONEY. The hard currency it possesses cannot be spent in China (based on their own rules and laws). They’re hardly likely to invest it in Argentine or Russian bonds. They’re no longer likely to invest it in Greek or even French bonds. What’s left? Who can handle the billions of dollars that China generates? ONLY the US bond market.

When did we stop selling scrap metal and gas to Japan prior to World War Two? Why did we ignore their spying?Why is it that this country can’t call a Chinese threat a Chinese threat? Why are we kissing butt to a country that has a long range plan, how many thousands of years have they been at it, to rule their part of the world. Western Pacific, etc. For the past couple hundred years China has looked inward or just across the straights to Taiwan . Now they are expanding and are in the process of building a blue water Navy. For what purpose? Raw materials, oil, etc. Japan rolled down the Indochina coast to the Dutch East Indies for one purpose — raw materials — oil, etc. Could China be doing the same? Of course NOT — put our heads in the sand and kiss up to our bankers ( actual the Chinese own only a small percentage of our national debt, …Bottom line unless we get our fiscal house in order …we are not at the present able to negotiate from a preceived position of strength. Peace in our time — only when any potential adversary fears us and our power.

Good Afternoon Folks,

This is a rather strange posting. Just who is China being a threat to?

If the “balloon goes up” again and the 39th. Motor Rifle Division goes through the gap again, where are they going?

Vietnam?, Russia?, North Korea?, India? So what.

As for Taiwan the window of opportunity closed years ago on China crossing the 133 miles of the Formosa Straight decades ago. In old cold war talk China is successfully contained.

It must be noted that today Taiwan made operational a LACM with a 1500 Km range. This can hit targets well inside China. In Beijing Russian President Putin is make a social call. Russia with India and Vietnam cash customers and China military allies again?

In October of 20111 China’s President Hu said that 2012 will be a break through year for the PLA. China will launch five submarines ‚some nuclear and some conventional, five new frigates and destroyers, start production of the J-15 and J-20, do carrier take offs and landings and demonstrate the DF-21A as a three stage ICMB, DF-21D by hitting a moving ship. The year is half over all I’ve seen so far is the second J20 and so far only its front landing gears has got off the runway.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

Byron: Not sure if you’ve been paying attention, but seems like China has decided to start treating the South China Sea like a Chinese lake, and is building up the SSF, ESF, and CMS to put teeth behind those claims. Turns out they’ve decided right of innocent passage doesn’t apply to military vessels in “their” EEZ. Ask USNS Impeccable.

This is how the game is played.

As the senetor says how are we going to keep the pork flowing if we cant identify an enemy for the American people. How do you justify wasting money on the JSF and then say we are just deploying weather baloons to Thailand ?

For small town America where most of the jobs have already moved to China there is nothing to lose with cotractor jobs funded by more national debit. As they say if that means the US economy collapses well whats the difference ?

Know thy enemy.

Another “Peace For Our Times” moment, forgetting, “If it walks like duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, it is a duck.”

Why was my commend deleted? Why is this picture still there? Show the courtesy of posting a rationale.

Mr. Ewing and DoDBuzz,__I demand a full apology from you and DoDBuzz for displaying an outrageous image portraying Chinese American Veterans in a negative light for your ignorant agenda. As a member of the American Legion Post 1291, I am sadden to see my fellow Americans/Veterans to view us as an outcast to the very country we sacrifice our lives to defend. I am in every way an American by any standard. Let me further remind you that the current National Commander, Fang A. Wong, for the American Legion came from Post 1291. There are millions of Asian American Veterans looking and reading this with shock and horror. Your insensitiveness toward your fellow Americans made you lose credibility in the very group of individuals that have supported you and this website over the years. The group of individuals that share your concerns and viewpoints for this great nation of ours. Let me also remind you some of the contribution that Asian Americans have made for our country in the websites below. I will furthermore inform our national commander about your lack of concern for Asian American Veterans. If you remove my comment, it shows you are not better than dictators that censor free speech.

See Fang A. Wong’s Bio: http://​www​.legion​.org/​c​o​m​m​a​n​d​e​r​/​bio
See our post homepage: http://​www​.ltkimlau​.com/
See Asian Americans who gave it all in the defense of your freedom. http://​en​.wikipedia​.org/​w​i​k​i​/​L​i​s​t​_​o​f​_​A​s​i​a​n​_​A​m​e​ric
See the most highly decorated US military unit ever walk among this nation. http://​en​.wikipedia​.org/​w​i​k​i​/​4​4​2​n​d​_​I​n​f​a​n​t​r​y​_​R​e​gim
Pakee Fang
AKA (Marine/combat vet/Legionnaire/Asian American)
2000–2004

Really? That wasn’t the case in Europe. The Europeans were largely comforted with our commitment because of our physical presence and we still had issues and concerns about our commitment if the reds started coming down the Fulda. We don’t have that option in the Pacific.

I’ve also heard no evidence of our allies wanting us to tone down the talk. On the contrary the Aussies and PI have been pretty vocal about future plans.

Categorizing a professional discussion of areas of competition between us and China is a quite a bit different neighborhood than a redneck after four shots of jager.

Only chickenhawks talk of appeasement.

Just ask them how many millions of Americans they are willing to see immolated in a war to see they are
full of hot air.

Eventually most of the taxes you pay will be shipped off to the Chinese as interest on these loans. Of course by then you will probably be working hard for a Chinese owned company if you are lucky. If you are unlucky you will be working for a pittance for an American company that barely struggles to survive against an Chinese economic onslaught.

You’ll complain to your senator but h’ll tell you there is little he can do under the restrictions put in place by Chinese banks.

History is clear what happens to countries who think that debit dosent matter, and it isnt pretty.

Your article is about China, yet you associate your editorial with a picture of American veterans? Either you were too lazy to do your homework and thought these were “Chinese from China” rather than “Americans veterans of Asian descent,” or worst, you purposely put this picture there because you want to add another layer to your opinion.

You owe all your readers a response.

W. William Chan
Army Combat Veteran (OEF/OIF)

So if we are so worried about China, then why are we buying from them like there is no tomorrow?

You are correct, lots of things are different in the Pacific. NATO was a multi-lateral treaty org facing a clear and credible military and ideological threat in the USSR That’s not the case in the Pacific where we have a bunch of bilateral agreements and China is culturally, and in some cases, economically much closer to the other players in the region. We also didn’t do a huge amount of trade with the USSR during the Cold War. The other nations in the region, as well as the rest of the world, want to see stability in WESTPAC. My point is that we do not need to amp up the rhetoric to make our point…the Chinese know we are there, the regional players know we are there, etc. etc. Our goals in the Pacific should be to contain N. Korea, maintain a quasi-independent Taiwan, and develop our regional partnership with an eye towards gaining access when we need it to maintain the global commons. Then.…we sit back an watch the Chinese population turn grey.

See the link for one example of our allies wanting us to tone it down a bit…
http://​www​.bbc​.co​.uk/​n​e​w​s​/​w​o​r​l​d​-​a​s​i​a​-​1​6​9​5​8​611

While I agree with the content of the post, I am disgusted that Mr. Philip Ewing is using a picture of the American Legion Post 1291 to portray or at the very least, attempting to portray a picture of Chinese-Americans as spies. Mr. Ewing, these are veterans who at one point, served this nation. Unlike you, they didn’t just stand by the side line and write about the military, they ACTUALLY SERVED. So have some respect and understand that there are many Asian-American vets reading this post. This is as ignorant and unprofessional as it gets for a journalist. Just my 2 cents

American, including many pols, ignorance concernig Asian history, culture, politics and economics is astounding.
It can only partially explained by the state of our schools.

Excellent points. (though I don’t know why our trade w/China justifies us being meek) The Japanese also had economic relationships with many nations in the Pacific (including us) prior to WWII that didn’t work out too well. In fact some of the seeds of WWII can be traced to the Japanese believing we understood their “right” to a prosperity zone in the region. Sound familiar? There’s also a link in that story you posted about PI and the US relationship in response to Chinese provocations.

The key point from your article… There is also a tendency, he added, in the media, to portray politics in ”win-lose sporting terms” and the US engagement in Asia ”as a means to contain China”. ”Such rhetoric is a mistake on many levels,” said Singapore’s Foreign Minister K Shanmugam. He was also talking about election year grandstanding. ASB isn’t election year grandstanding. Unless one is willing to admit It IS political which I’d concur as an effort to fence certain branch’s budgets.

Discussing what our strategy or systems are designed to counter (DOD BUZZ’s focus) is nowhere near that thresh hold. Chinese officers and press have been much more bellicose. I don’t buy the theory that talking about weapons or strategy is inflammatory. If so we’d be much more wary of China.

China is welcome to expand its economic markets peacefully. When it starts to intimidate allies with talk of the sound of cannons. Builds structures, maps an ally’s sea bed, places construction markers inside an ally’s waters we and they should know there’s a plan way down the road. Good fences make good neighbors.

BTW, don’t know why you got a neg. I thought those were good points.

Americans are supplying many porks to delivery in Chinese as wealthy and healthy. America got too much pork unless there is no pork to delivery to China then they will figure out how to do about. Remember the Chinese history is above Western society more than 5000 years old. Who’s eating better than anyone else in the world? Chinese are eating our resources plus good exchanges for over 20 years. Every time you are eating you MUST be tasting or rather than without. Of course, everything must be developing that is why, we call the developing nations. Chinese has nothing in big black hole. Think about one family allow only 1 child because their porks limited to eat but American keep supplying to them.

Philip Ewing– I’m an Asian American who raised my hand and sworn an oath to protect this (MY) country, an oath I fully intend to keep! What have you done other than turn on your computer?

Philip Ewing,

Response to your note:

The new USMC recruiting station in New York CIty’s chinatown, the photo used, is partly an outreach to recruit a more diverse US military. The “Chinese community” in the official USMC note refers to the Chinese-American community and not the Chinese community as in those who live half way around the world from the US.

Your article is about the threat from China the country, Not Chinatown! This photo is about Chinese-Americans and the outreach by the a branch of the US military to their own people…Chinese-Americans.

This photo has nothing to do with any lack of fight or US appeasement towards China because this photo is all about Americans. Please stop playing with words. Chinese are/and can certainly be a threat to the US, but those men to the left and right of the uniformed Marines are Americans and should not be confused with foreigners.

Please do not disrespect those Chinese-American veterans standing next to the Marines, who were willing to die for the US, especially during earlier era of obvious bigotry. Carelessly lumping a photo of some military personnel with some Asian men may be a good visual hook, but it hurts those that took a lifetime to prove themselves to others that it is their heart that counts and not the color of their skin.

W. William Chan
Army Combat Veteran

Why would you be surprised, you are the new enemy that we need.
And there is no down side either — when the time comes you will march proudly into the internemnt camps too.

Remember there will be an inevitable racist element to our demonising of China. Much of small town America is openly racist anyways. So we can expect more Asian targeted racial incidents at our bases and military schools.

Maybe you can go and ask the Arabs, Indians and Japanese about thier experiences.

Dear DoDBuzz,

It is still unacceptable for you to include a picture about Asian American Veterans in a story directed to “threat from Mainland China”. Asian Americans Veterans have nothing to do with the topic which you are addressing. Please kindly remove picture for goodness sake, I am sure you’ll be able to find a better suited picture to represent your story.

P.S We are currently seriously thinking about taking legal action again you.

Sincerely,

I hope you are not referring to Asian American Veterans who accomplished unimaginable things for this country.

You should really look yourself in the mirror and ask “what have I ever accomplish in my life besides being a .… “. and I hope that your answer would bring joy and comfort even when you take your last breath.

Good point. I’m hoping the author made a mistake.

FIX THE PICTURE! THEY’RE AMERICANS!!!

Article makes good points, but take the picture of American veterans off. PRC scholars and military officers frequently identify the U.S. and the West as an enemy in their media so we shouldn’t shy away from talking about PRC threats/challenges.

Call a Spade a Spade.Enough of this “Don’t want to step on their toes” It’s time those candy ass politicians and Pentegan Poggs,wake up and smell the Napalm.
Paisano

DOD Buzz, the picture is insulting considering the story. You’re picturing a bunch of Chinese American vets in a story about our sqeamishness with China. That is pretty offensive to Chinese American vets. Can’t you tell the difference? Please change or just delete the picture. It distracts from the discussion. Any picture of Chinese combat power would have been appropriate.

Well, you left your motherland and against her, they never consider you are one of them long time ago, and you serve in military for a country in which you are minority and be discrimilized all the time just because they are fear of fair competation.
It is your choice, and you should expect this at the beginning. If you are not, you put yourself in a very awkward position when US and China conflict, such as 50s in Korea.

In my opinion, When our U.S. CEO’s started to send they work to China for goods to be made is when America sold out it’s security and status as a Super Power of independence which fuels any military threats thru profits gained in china.

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