Lockheed delivers LCS 3 to Navy ahead of schedule

Lockheed delivers LCS 3 to Navy ahead of schedule

The Navy accepted delivery of the littoral combat ship USS Fort Worth on Wednesday, and praised contractor Lockheed Martin for the high quality of its second LCS.

“Fort Worth showed significant improvement during her trials when compared to the first ship of the class, USS Freedom,” said the Navy’s program executive officer for Littoral Combat Ships, Rear Adm. James Murdoch, in a statement.

“We’ve had two years to operate Freedom at sea, identifying typical, first-of-class deficiencies, learning lessons on her design and rolling those lessons into Fort Worth. That experience, plus the introduction of improved construction processes and shipbuilder facilities, greatly benefitted Fort Worth.”


In its own statement, Lockheed proudly announced that it had signed over the Fort Worth about two months ahead of schedule, and promised that it would continue to drive cost and time out of the program as it continues serial production on the next four odd-numbered LCS ships: The USS Milwaukee, Detroit, Little Rock and Sioux City.

The even numbered ships, including the fourth LCS, USS Coronado, are built by Austal USA in Mobile, Ala.

As for the Fort Worth, its next major milestone is its commissioning, scheduled for Sept. 22 down in Galveston, Texas. Between now and then, its crew must move aboard, begin training and eventually sail the ship from its yard in Marinette, Wisc. Like Lockheed’s first-in-class USS Freedom, now based in San Diego, the Fort Worth will travel through the Great Lakes, up the St Lawrence Seaway and down the East Coast. Eventually it too will make port in San Diego, before being forward-deployed to Singapore.

The Navy and Lockheed have even higher hopes for the Fort Worth than they did for the Freedom — with the first ship as a “prototype” and a “testbed,” engineers could take its sometimes hard-won experience and incorporate that into the second. The Fort Worth does not need the external buoyancy tanks that were back-fitted onto the Freedom, for example, and officials also expect it to hold up much better against the kind of cracking and other wear that has bedeviled the Freedom. This, advocates say, is the beauty of LCS: By the third and fourth copies, Lockheed’s ships could be the Honda Accords of the seas, renowned for their build quality and long-lasting value — and what a bargain! Or so goes the sales pitch.

A few steps back from this billboard, however, the full picture does not look as good. The Fort Worth now belongs to the American people and the LCS program is moving along, but it has taken a much longer time and much more money to reach this point. The interchangeable mission equipment the ship was built to carry won’t fully materialize for years, and the Navy has made clear it’s willing to take its time acquiring it. Meanwhile, planners and commanders are already making concessions about the likely limitations of the original LCS concept they’ve been boxed into. Before a single ship has ever taken an actual mission, the brass is acknowledging it might have to add more sailors, keep the ships out of some dangerous situations, and give them shorter deployments.

The Fort Worth, in short, arrives as a sort of time capsule from a Navy of a different era. It’s in great condition, according to what the Navy says its Board of Inspection and Survey concluded — though you’re not allowed to see its report for yourself, of course — but the Fort Worth still may have to change a lot more to fit in the fleet of today and tomorrow.

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Paging dfens to this article to tell us all about how defense contractors are always behind schedule, over budget, and padding profit into their payments!

“Before a single ship has ever taken an actual mission, the brass is acknowledging it might have to add more sailors, keep the ships out of some dangerous situations, and give them shorter deployments.”

So basicly this isnt a warship. Its effectively a screwed up fast coast guard cutter.……with no legs at any respectable speed.….got ya.

We’ve got to stop calling the LCS “little crappy ships” that just isn’t fair.…..

The LCS is 3,000 tons and it has a total offensive weaponry of:

one 57mm optically guided gun (that can’t hit anything)

just for fun let look at a WWII destroyer Allen M. Sumner-class destroyer at 2,200 ton:

Length: 376 ft 6 in (114.76 m)
Beam: 40 ft (12 m)
Draft: 15 ft 8 in (4.78 m)
Installed power: 60,000 shp (45,000 kW)
Propulsion: 2 × steam turbines
2 × shafts
Speed: 34 kn (39 mph; 63 km/h)
Range: 6,500 nmi (7,500 mi; 12,000 km) @ 15 kn (17 mph; 28 km/h)
Complement: 336
Sensors and
processing systems: Radar
Armament: 6 × 5 in (130 mm)/38 cal dual purpose guns
12 × 40 mm anti-aircraft guns
11 × 20 mm anti-aircraft cannons
10 × 21 in (530 mm) torpedo tubes
6 × depth charge projectors
2 × depth charge tracks

so the little crappy ship should be called “loser crappy ship”

Actually, the Sumner class wasn’t that great. It was replaced by the Gearing class.

I am late into this type of ship so I have one question. If this is a warship why does it only have an optically sighted 57 mm gun? If its a warship does that mean it will always sail with others to provide security for it?? Sorry thats 2 questions.

Not “replaced,” “succeeded. There is a difference. The Gearings were the same design, just with a 14-foot “plug” amidships that made them longer, allowing them to carry more fuel (thus, have greater range).

Great?. You gotta be JOKING. What pipe are you smoking to believe that crap.

Well, in theory, it’s meant for low-threat areas. A 57mm gun would be good for counter-piracy, against small boats, and maybe, maybe, MAYBE as a shore bombardment weapon so long as you’re just firing at troops and not armor or fortifications. I think these also have a RAM missile launcher aft (above the hangar) for shooting down incoming missiles.

At least, that’s one version of the LCS mission story. Depends on who you ask, and what year you ask the question!

I sure as hell hope by the time they are done with this run of 20 if they don’t have some working modules they hold off on buying more or decide on some new policy,plan or whatever and buy something else.

Don’t believe everything you read around here. The 57mm can be manualllycontrolled, but normally the electro-optical/infrared sensors are fire-control system controlled, The 57mm is a Bofors 57 Mk 3 with a range of 17000m. On the Freedom class, the fire control setup is:
“COMBATSS-21, an Aegis-based integrated combat weapons system with a TRS-3D (German) air/surface search radar, Ship Self-Defense System Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) system (one 21-cell launcher), and a DORNA (Spanish) Electro-Optical/Infrared for 57 mm gun fire control.“
Per the builder, “components integrated with COMBATSS-21 include the radar, gun weapon system, missile launcher, decoy launcher, and electronic warfare system… During the integration testing, targets of opportunity were engaged and tracked to demonstrate operability.“
There is also 20mm Close In Weapon System capability aboard.
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I like the admiral who admitted that in all honesty the LCS are just yachts for the brass to swan around the the Pacific in showing the flag and holding cocktail parties. The only module they really need is the entertainment module.

Ugh, I have to agree with the comments here. For what the Navy is paying for they are getting a ship that can’t fight and has less armor than a rowboat.

The only reason it is stated as ahead of schedule is because the delivery date kept moving to the right. I know as I worked on this one and the first unsurvivable piece of crap at MMC. These ships are not survivable in combat because if one missile or torpedo leaks through the defenses it will kill or severely injure most of its crew (there are only 40 to 50 crew members) and there will not be enough crew members left to right te fesandd damage control, run the ship and fighthe ship let alone fix the electronics that will go offline. I have stated this to a few of the Naval Architects that designed it and they told me I just didnt understand. I asked what I did not understand considering I was in the Navy for 4 years and my entire career has been spent on Navy ships and they told me with a straight face that no weapons could leak through the LCS’s defenses. Amazing how stupid smart people can be.

Yet half the ships the LCS is replacing are little more than wood hulled ships with no more than two .50 cal machineguns.

17,000 yards range ?? so, what’s probability of a Hit on a surf target at that range ? .1 ? .2 ? You cannot give a range without some Pk.

Us smart people were listening, but we hoped that you would stand by us in the line of fire to defend those comments. Too bad you just brought the conversation up instead of putting it in on the record. Our inputs are NOT THE SAME AS YOURS. Maybe, just maybe it would have shown its ugly face in CDR review sessions. Instead you did what all the others do, sit back and just let it go on. How can you possibly blame us when we depend on you SME’s to put us in line. Really Sad!

Doesn’t that make the LCS look even worse? More tonnage, less firepower?

If so that is a fault with the government/Navy folks who are supplying the requirements, not the contractors building the ship (to the supplied requirements).

The LCS has a pretty hefty pricetag for a replacement minesweeper.

The LCS is a toothless ship that even with the mission packages is all but defenseless. The surface warfare package is still listed as using NLOS-LS, the program of which was cancelled (and didn’t have much range or bang for the buck to begin with). This platform (such as it is) lacks the ability to really “reach out and touch someone” if it finds itself in a serious jam with a larger opponent (which seems to happen a lot when a shootin’ war is underway).

It is one thing to be lightly armored (like the plywood PT boats of WW2). But the PT boats had a huge punch given their size (I think they were the most heavily armed boats for their size ever), were small and difficult to hit, and could go into really shallow water the big boys couldn’t. The LCS lamentably lacks these virtues.

Ok, help me understand this: The Greeks are broke, and are, well, the friggin’ Greeks for sh*ts sake! Not the US. Yet their Frigates are bristling with weapon systems like 76mm cannon, ASM’s (multiple types of PROVEN ship-killers I might add), torpedoes, and point-defense gun & missile systems. Check out this video: http://​www​.military​.com/​v​i​d​e​o​/​g​u​i​d​e​d​-​m​i​s​s​i​l​e​s​/​ant

WTF is up with the USN and the crappy LCS?

There are no cocktail parties on a US Navy ship.

Those ships are the core of the hellenistic navy. They need to be jammed with weapons, same as most small naval frigates and patrol boats.

The LCS is currently flight 0, it’ll get up gunned as money becomes available.

I’m not a fan of the boats. I think they should’ve split the classes to do different jobs rather than just different aesthetics. Maybe something like use the LCS1 style class as mine sweeper with storage room and ro/ro to bring small forces into small ports for BS peace keeping missions. Keep the gun and RAM. Then build the other class with a larger hanger to carry a couple more birds. Maybe even swap the 57mm for another launcher (maybe even ESSM if the forward mount could handle it) to give better air defense for the choppers to operate safely.

“The LCS is currently flight 0, it’ll get up gunned as money becomes available.”

Don’t count on that actually happening. :)

They could have modernized the Perry class FFGs, too, so they wouldn’t be falling apart right now. Didn’t happen.

holy toledo batman “as money become available”

do you know what Congress is going to say when the Navy come begging for MORE money

Admiral Smith “well Senator is seems we spent all of our money making it go fast, and we ran out of money for weapons”

Congressman Whoever will reply “excuse me Admiral Stupid, weren’t you telling us a few years ago the LCS is more powerful than a locomotive and faster then a speeding bullet, and that it could do everything from mine hunting, to sinking submarines, to taking out other ships, to conducting amphibious warfare, to landing Marines, to solving world hunger, are you telling us right now that all of this was a lie and now that we have a fleet of 55 of these, that they can’t do anything, is my assessment correct Admiral Stupid?”

War-fighting system designers and developers always face a major problem — they are always ‘guessing’ at the kind of wars to be fought and missions to be accomplished. And, of course, cost to build and operate. LCS isn’t intended to go where WW II destroyers, or even PT boats, went. Anti-Piracy, special forces support, and/or blockades / commercial ship interdiction seems to be the aim and they might work for that. Clearly, they are not intended to slug it out with combat ships or shore batteries of any consequence. The real test will be to see if they perform as expected in the roles for which they were designed…and jury is out on that (and will be for some time).

The only hope for the LCS is to have VLS and other offensive weapons systems added as proposed for the LCS Israel version. Otherwise it is a waste of money. Unfortunately this ship is being supported by Republican tea partiers, believe it or not. So much for being against Government waste.

that’s right

we paid a MASSIVE price for a “replacement’ that has no mine hunting equipment nor ability

the only way the LCS will find a mine is if they get blown up by one

we build in massive speed when a mine hunter ship has no need for speed

There are only 75 berths on the ship. Where are the Special Forces going to bunk? The LCS can not go too close to shore either. Enemy artillery can take it out and the LCS can’t reply.

This isnt being supported by anyone but the people who they provide jobs and votes to in their congressional districts.

The Navy has told the lie that this is a replacment for their minehunters, frigates, PC, and a other small craft. And that they are capable battle craft. However they are a wreak. Not enough space for crew when the moduals arive. As is the crews are litteraly at the point a single casualty would put undue stress on the whole crew, and they still cant get their shit done. Not to mention the navy has stated quite a few times that While these “ARE WARSHIPS!!!! SERIOUSLY BELIEVE US!” that they will never really engage in battle with pesky things like other small attack craft or FAC and will be backed up by a DDG for anything bigger.…..

Which makes no sense because these were supposed to Specificly be used against small surface craft and close in threats.….and they were supposed to free up larger ships.….….which they wont do any of these things.….

The range is given by BAE/Bofors not me. For Pk, we have to also know, among many, many other things (besides the efficacy of the weapon) that involve the target’s susceptability and vulnerability. Such as how ‘big’ the target is and what is it’s vulnerability to 57mm cannon fire at a given range with a type of round? If we want to know Pk for an engagement over some time vs. one shot, we need to also know how many rounds can be put on target within the time window. Accuracy? BAE/Bofors claims .4 mils ‘typical’, and the system can fire ‘patterns’. Typical top-end ‚auto-loading, rapid fire (4rds/sec) system controlled by a derivative of the Aegis FCS on Freedom class LCS’.

Ok let’s sum up the LCS

–No one know’s what’s its mission is
–Is is a warship, it isn’t a warship, it will go in harm’s way, it won’t go in harm’s way
–It a replacement mine hunter ship that can do 45 knots!!! I didn’t know mine hunting ships needed warp drive.
–It’s a replacement for Frigate but is has no weapons
–It’s supposed to carry all kinds stuff in it’s vast’s hanger but it’s already overweight
–it’s supposed to be littoral, but what does that mean?
–It’s supposed to find and kill submarines, but how?
–All of the Admiral’s support it but everyone O-6 and below is staying clear
–Bob Work says it’s the most awesome thing ever but can explain what it’s awesomeness is
–It’s supposed to fight pirates but at $700million per it’s too expensive to risk
–it’s isn’t survivable in any sense but its a WARSHIP
–it needs a vast army of shore people to maintain it
–it’s a gas hog and needs to suckle from a supply ship constantly
–Big Navy brass say “trust us, we’ll figure it out after we build 55 of them.”

We bought the horse before we even know if the cart will work. I hope the cart is moving along smoothly.

I find it lovely that we’re selling a fast LCS as a replacement for a minesweeper…but no minesweeping modules are out the door? And it’s supposed to have other modules; and if it does poorly at minesweeping, we will trumpet whichever module works. And if it works at minesweeping, we’ll buy tons of minesweeping modules until we release the nature of the threat has changed from sea mines to Anti-Ship cruise missiles, and perhaps buy new LCS modules designed to target those. Or a new Sea Control Ship designed to combat anti-ship cruise missiles, in addition to the LCS. Hrm.

CHILL! The LCS is here to stay. There is NO option.
IF Romney is elected, expect the Navy to quietly request funding for a Block II insertion.
The lack of firepower and other issues will be addressed in full.
We’ve got about 8–10 years, before a major conflict breaks out with China, plenty of time to perfect air-sea doctrine, carrier launched UAVs, LRASM deployment, Virginia Block III, more Ford Class carriers, Next Generation Bombers and updated nukes.

hey Richard, you the type of guy that goes to your Dr. and says “Dr. it hurts when I hit my head with a hammer” The Dr. says “well put the hammer down and stop hitting yourself” Richard replies ” Dr. I have NO option, I have to keep hitting myself, CHILL out, I have 8–10 years to figure it out why it hurts”

LCS grand ideas and PR: many foolish solutions to unlikely situations .….

Wouldn’t the 45 knot sprint speed be good for evading torpedoes? That seems like the only reason to build a ship that would go that fast. I would assume the LCS would be used to search for subs, perhaps baiting them into firing. Then once the sub fires a torp, the LCS could charge away at flank speed while a helo goes to search down the bearing where the torp came from.

the only defense the LCS has is speed-but not enough to evade a torpedo, modern torps do >50knots

here’s a question for ya, how would the LCS even know a torpedo is coming-it can’t, simple as that

secondly, if by grace it knew a torpedo was coming it has no defense, no nixie, no torpedo to fire back and mess up the sub,

the only way the LCS will know a sub is in the area is when the torpedo blows it to kingdom come

I was never part of any CDR review. I used the “chain of command” available to me as did others who actually work in the trenches and as usual our complaints were buried by Lockheed Martin and Gibbs & Cox and senior MMC management. If I had been part of the CDR reviews I most certainly would have backed you guys if you were defending the correct position. Besides anyone who reads the history of naval conflicts knows that sooner or later something leaks through and hits a ship.

When I first went to work at MMC I was assigned as an Engineering Liasson to manufacturing. One afternoon I got a call that there was a problem on the ship (this was the day they were starting to install power panels and hooking up the feeders). The problem was that the power panels had arrived without the holes drilled and tapped in the feeder bars where the feeder lugs attached. The foreman said they had drilled and tapped these kinds of holes in feeder bars before so I advised him that they should simply drill and tap the proper holes and continue with the feeder hook-ups, no need to get behind schedule for such a simple problem. At work he next morning in my bosses office I was told that work had been stopped on power panel istallations because LMCO did not authorize MMC engineering liassons to make decisions. After a 30 day “executive review” of the problem LMCO issued it’s edict that stated the production people should drill and tap the holes and authorized the restart of said installations.

Then I would suggest, that the LCS is better suited for the USCG than the Navy, with perhaps the exception of special forces support.

I know Mitt Romney — and my family has known him for years. I wouldn’t have any such expectation — and neither would many of his neighbors.

Funny people on this board that dont work the program let alone ride the ship during AT and other underway events. This new ship class is evolving. In short, you will keep running the mouths until you see it in action for the close littorial, anti piracy and small fleet nations interoperablity execercies in which it was bascially ment for. Its not a ddg, not an ffg.. Quit whining!!! By someone who works on this ship extensively!

Funny comments…This new ship class is evolving. In short, you will keep running the mouths until you see it in action for the close littorial, anti piracy and small fleet nations interoperablity execercies in which it was bascially ment for. Its not a ddg, not an ffg.. Quit whining!!! By someone who works on this ship extensively!

that funny ‘spy’ guy, since you work on this ship, then you should know better than anyone here
what a piece of crap it is

I can’t wait until it whips out its’ “friken lazer’ module, I hear it’s going to be ready in 2025 just as soon as
they can get the dilithium crystal power pack to fit in the engineering space in-between those four diesel electric generators that keep crapping out

my sources tell me it’s all very doable, just a matter of finding space for everything.…but they might have to touch the sea bass aquarium ;-D

Administrator, why did you delete my comment? I do not understand how it was outside the commenting policy.

I am actually quite glad the modules that will be embedded on the ships are hush hush at this point. Historically we are used to tough surviveable ships for full out battle in a blue water navy. One question.. How did the ffg stark handle a missle shot? How about sammy b with a mine?? Were were they at the time it happened?? .. The points i am making is simple enough.. Most incidents occured when we let our guard down and equipment was offfline. Lcs has the capability to move quick and use additional tech not clearly defined yet in the program.. Just like tico and the burkes.. Did we ever think aegis was going bmd in 1969? No.. Look at big picture.. We always get better over time..

Historically we are used to tough surviveable ships for full out battle in a blue water navy. One question.. How did the ffg stark handle a missle shot? How about sammy b with a mine?? Were were they at the time it happened?? .. The points i am making is simple enough.. Most incidents occured when we let our guard down and equipment was offfline. Lcs has the capability to move quick ‚defend itself and use additional tech not clearly defined yet in the program.. Just like tico and the burkes.. Did we ever think aegis was going bmd in 1969? No.. Look at big picture.. We always get better over time..

Historically we are used to tough surviveable ships for full out battle in a blue water navy. Question:How did the ffg stark handle a missle shot? How about sammy b with a mine?? Were were they at the time it happened?? .. The points i am making is simple enough.. Most incidents occured when we let our guard down and equipment was offfline. Lcs has the capability to move quick ‚defend itself and use additional tech not clearly defined yet in the program.. Just like tico and the burkes.. Did we ever think aegis was going bmd in 1969? No.. Look at big picture.. We always get better over time..

Just to put the LCS-3 delivery in perspective, you may recall that the LPD-17 class ships were accepted with significant sections of the ships unfinished (1.1 million man-hours of construction left incomplete in LPD-17, for instance) and we’ve seen how that’s worked out. None have been deemed suitable for their purpose according to DOT&E reports. LCS-1/2 were both delivered incomplete and with serious physical flaws (corrosion, gaps on the stern doors, etc.). Congress has called on the Navy to explain serious deficiencies on Burkes and carriers — accepted by the Navy. So, delivery may not be the milestone accomplishment that the Navy would like to portray it as. I suspect it’s far more of a political move by PEO LCS to “prove” that the program is turned around.

Setting aside whether you favor the LCS or not, it has totally failed it’s intial stated purpose of “dominating the littorals”. The Navy has since found out that it can’t operate in a hostile environment and is now looking at selling it as more of a peacetime mission platform. That’s fine, and supporters would say that even shows the flexibility of the design. However, it is a telling comment on the Navy’s ability to conceptualize a ship design and build it. The Navy disbanded their internal ship design functions some time ago and the results are showing. The Navy is reduced, now, to building a ship and then looking for something it can do instead of articulating a solid design and building it. Again, this has nothing to do with whether you like the LCS — it’s a commentary on the Navy’s inability to produce a good design and then build to that design. Very sad.

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I’ll wait for the LCS 20 before I post my comments.

There’s a lot of discussion here about the role of this ship in the Navy’s combat mission against other nations and their navies, but as I understand it, the LCS is aimed at the workload we also have of policing lawless waters and coasts. The enemy on these missions isn’t in a big frigate bristling with guns and missiles, he’s in a bogus fishing boat smuggling guns, people, or other contraband. Sure, we need billion-dollar warships to be ready for national combat, but there is definitely a role for a small, fast ship that can go well inshore and give us reach where pirates, smugglers, terrorists, or insurgents lurk (between the mangroves and the edge of the continental shelf). Big enough to reach the Horn of Africa and the Malacca Strait, nimble enough to do its job upon arrival. The Navy will save a lot of resources if it uses these assets in the missions for which they are right-sized.

I build them to,and there junk

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