In exercise, AF ‘strikes targets at sea’

In exercise, AF ‘strikes targets at sea’

The Air Force didn’t mention Air-Sea Battle or “pre-integration” in its official story about a recent Global Strike Command exercise, but if you know where to look, those words almost leap off the screen.

Global Strike sent two B-52s to take part in a long-running annual exercise up in the Baltic Sea, one that also includes Denmark, Estonia, France, Georgia, Germany, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Poland, Russia and Sweden. It also evidently included another foreign power, from the Air Force’s perspective — the U.S. Navy.

But the blue services are playing nice now, as we’ve heard, and although the details were a little thin, the Air Force’s account included this very interesting tidbit:


“This type of exercise is a prime example of how teamwork among different nations can help increase stability, diminish threats to peace and strengthen relationships,” said Robert Thomson, the Air Force Global Strike Command exercise division chief. “In addition, it was a good example of how the Air Force can support the U.S. Navy’s operations by striking targets at sea.

Sounds like Air-Sea Battle, and true to Pentagon leaders’ promises, here it was not directed at China.

A B-52 could drop bombs over the ocean from the first time it flew, back in the Spanish-American War, and later, by World War I, it could launch cruise missiles. But that isn’t what it was built for, and today Air Force and Navy commanders want to deliberately repurpose it to become as versatile a naval aviation platform as it was a strategic one. Moreover, Air-Sea Battle’s architects say they want “pre-integrated” naval and air forces to be ready to play as soon as they hear the starting gun. This would appear to be an example of that.

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Are they sure this isn’t directed towards China?

“A B-52 could drop bombs over the ocean from the first time it flew, back in the Spanish-American War, and later, by World War I, it could launch cruise missiles.” Come again? Maybe I’m just crazy, but I think DoDBuzz should be just a bit more diligent in their editorial reviews.

It was a joke, chief, settle down.

“Smells like Air-Sea Battle?” Smells more like Billy Mitchell. :)

I would hope, that the USAF doesn’t consider having to attack a target at sea a new concept. If it is, its time to pack it in.

With the new currently available weapons (tomahawk anti ship — lazer guided — airburst and such) it only makes sense for the AF to finnaly join in and add this software to thier fire control systems, The Navy has been doing land and sea for decades. Having land based AF birds capable of rapid response to possible naval threats off the coastline would be an asset, especialy with a dwindling fleet.

If I was still in the AF, I would scramble up some Navy interservice assignment pilots and have one of them in the B-52.
And I got the reference to the Spanish American War. In fact, weren’t the original B-52s coal-fired? They were converted to jets only for Vietnam, right?

And it was actually a kind of funny joke, considering that the first B-52 flew in April of 1952, the year Nat King Cole took Unforgettable to Number 1…
60 years since the first B-52 flew, the Air Force has found a new way to use it…
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President Harry Truman isn’t quite the Spanish-American War, but given todays education levels…

If there are no carriers in theater and considering the dwindling number of naval air stations worldwide than perhaps there are times where the long range USAF assets, including the venerable B-52, can and should be used for sea support — if only to show our friends and foes that we CAN.

I just realized that the first flight of the B-52 was only 54 years after the active portion of the Spanish American War in 1898. And it has been a full 60 years since the BUFF first flew. So the Spanish American war is a bit closer in time to the first flight than the first flight is to today.

Actually, the assumed “jet” streams coming out of the engines during Vietnam were actually steam directed by coal-fired boilers. Please get with the program…

Also, the bomb bay doors were hand-cranked open by a crew of midgets specially trained to handle that very important task.

But do our friends and foes CARE if we can, that’s the question. :)

B-52s soon to be equipped with photon torpedos to hit enemy battlecruisers at sea :)

B-52s have had the capability to launch Harpoon anti-ship missiles since the 1980s and the US Air Force has aided the US Navy in surface warfare since the battle of Midway.

Is that aircraft commander Major T. J. “King” Kong I see in the left seat?

can they hit boats of prey?
yeah, ok that was bad.

Are the command and control integrated — so if an air force asset loitering over an area that the navy’s “interested” in, can the navy order it in, or if an air force unit at risk but a navy unit in range to assist, the order can go other way?

Is it safe to assume that Engish is your second language? This was clearly humor…not literal.

Not a hard stretch to imagine today’s systems in a B-52 almost to the extent of Flight of the Old Dog.

Any reason why modern F-35 equivalent radar can’t be added to B-52 to increase its long arm of “western justice” across the oceans as well?

The sheer abundance of weapons types it can employ is in itself impressive.
Giving it the modern day equivalent of an AWG-9 that can survey vast expanses before it and engage multiple threats at long ranges (outside SAM/AAM range) seems so obviously logical.

Yeah, I know: money.
Upgraded old B-52 isn’t as jet-jock sex-ay as F-35.

Exactly , and we know how that turned. A faked test led people to mistakenly believe that high level bombers could hit ships moving at sea.

US Military command and control information is usually classified; however you could ask the US Air Force and or US Navy. They may or may not answer but the short answer to your question would be look up the battle of Midway that might help.

Harry S Truman fought in the Spanish-American War. As a Redleg/Arty Captain I am sure he would have appreciated the coal-fired, steam-propelled version of the BUFF. But all them air force bases in the south were holding on to their assets. The Civil War was still fresh enough in people’s minds that Harry’s grandmother would let him step foot into her home because he was wearing that “damn yankee blue!” Or , so the story goes in Missouri.

Uhmmmm. There was no US Air Force during WWII, it was the Army Air Force. USAF didn’t come into existence until 1947. General Curtis LeMay was an Army General. So, it was the Army that supported the Navy at Midway, if your account is correct.

You are right. The US Army Air Force was separated from the US Army by an act of congress yet although the chain of command had changed the structure of the Air Force remained the same. The US Air Force still recognizes its actions during WW II as part of the US Air Force of today.

Well, nowadays they probably can. It just means that now the USAF has another argument to use against the Navy building aircraft carriers. :)

In many ways like how the prewar B-17s started the Post upgraded B-52s will also be a antishipping weapon. With AS missiles this may work fine and make China more cautious about sending fleets away from the amin land where they have fighter cover. However like the B-17 the B-52 wouldnt be my first choice for antishipping weapons so Id but a F-18 with HARPOONs in my top tear for that mission.

If I remember my history right the Spanish American War was in 1898… only a few years before the Wight Brothers went flying at Kitty Hawk..

This is not really new news to me. As a former B-52, I have as known that the plane could be use to deploy mine’s at sea. I’m not sure if it was ever used for that, but the design is there. It also can carry passengers, in the bomb bay. That was in the design also.

If it does…what does it matter to you? Joint effort to get the job done!!!

Iran and China are Russians best friend and ally, just sayen.…

Harry S Truman was a battery commander in WWI, not the Spanish-American War. Also, coastal defense was an original justification/mission for the Army Air Corps in the early ‘20s. Google “SS Ostfriesland”.
USAFA ’78

…nukuler combat toe to toe with the Roosskies. Now look, boys, I ain’t much of a hand at makin’ speeches, but I got a pretty fair idea that something doggone important is goin’ on back there. And I got a fair idea the kinda personal emotions that some of you fellas may be thinkin’. Heck, I reckon you wouldn’t even be human bein’s if you didn’t have some pretty strong personal feelin’s about nukuler combat. I want you to remember one thing, the folks back home is a-countin’ on you and by golly, we ain’t about to let ‘em down. I tell you something else, if this thing turns out to be half as important as I figure it just might be, I’d say that you’re all in line for some important promotions and personal citations when this thing’s over with. That goes for ever’ last one of you regardless of your race, color or your creed. Now let’s get this thing on the hump — we got some flyin’ to do.

Bout time the USAF and USN starting working together.

Why does this article act like this is a new thing? We practiced this with B-1B’s in the late 90’s to take over for the mission the Buffs were already doing prior to that.

Obviously a number reversal: B-25 not B-52. The B-25’s were used in the Spanish-American war to ferry generals to the rear of the battlefields. The B-52 never ferried generals in that war, just lieutenants and captains, and they couldn’t land anywhere near the battles.

Don’t I seem to remember a horse-drawn B52 at the battle of Lexington and Concord dropping cannonballs?

I thought it was towed by Bald Eagles…

haha, the B-52 is steampunk!

Actually B-52’s had the capability to use Harpoon missiles in the late 1960’s.

The passenger capability came about as a result of using a BUFF as a subtitute for Air Force 1 if needed. Would be great to push a button by mistake and open the bomb bay doors with Barrack and Joe riding in there..

Nope
Harpoon didn’t exist in the 1960s

1 CFACC (or JFACC), 1 ATO…yes, the AF could ‘task’ a USN strike package and vice versa.

You’re thinking of the wooden B-52 with sails “Old Iron Wings”

Okay then it IS directed at China…it’s just that we don’t say it because that wouldn’t be a very diplomatic. You’re supposed to offer one hand and arm the other, not arm both.

Peace through superior firepower!

A bit of trivia that doesn’t seem well known: during the Battle of Midway four AAF B-26’s made a torpedo attack on the Japanese. Two B-26’s were lost, none of the torpedoes hit, but they did bring down one Zero fighter. I think the B-26 was the only AAF plane that could be armed with a torpedo.

“In fact, weren’t the original B-52s coal-fired?”

Indeed. They were known as the “Flynought” class.

[Continuing our theme of levity here…]

In fact, haven’t there been recent moves to lease the B-17s and B-24s back from the Commemorative Air Force, install modern electronics and anti-ship missiles, and make the BUFF seem like a new bomber????

Yes, the catwalk was originally installed to allow the cabin crew to push the cart back and forth.

All you have to do is read Aviation Week from the 80’s or Clancy’s ‘The Hunt For Red October’ to know that the BUFF was armed with Harpoon’s for sea strike. Launched at 30K, the Harpoon had a range of 100 miles. Why this seems “new” is beyond me.

Gee does this remain anyone of the Battle for Midway when Bombers were also used in defeating the Japanese task force?

Anybody not already familiar with the subject matter should read about Alexander Nikolaivich Prokofiev de Seversky, William “Billy” Mitchell, and the 1921 airplanes versus warships bombing tests that resulted in the sinking of the “unsinkable” German warship Ostfriedland.

I don’t get it; the b-52 was never coal fired.

Isn’t that right Sojointimpurple ?

I still like the idea of BUFFs being used as anti-air/anti-missile platforms against the “swarm” tactic being predicted as the biggest threat when the enemy is numerous but technologically-challenged. The old idea was to load up with modified Pheonix LRAAMs. With today’s fire-forget AMRAAMs or similar, modified for extended range; a B52 on station over a carrier battle group could be an asset. I wouldnt want to volunteer for that though.

Whose old idea was that, I wonder? Dale Brown?

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