The gathering storm

The gathering storm

“This may have been the week in which the full implications of today’s defense situation finally sunk in.”

So wrote your correspondent back in February, when the normal cadences of the congressional-Pentagon relationship were jangled by new budget uncertainty and the creeping sense of political isolation.

“I don’t sense a commitment from everyone here on the Hill” about undoing sequestration, Missouri Rep. Todd Akin said back then. Still, people looked ahead to the wide open 2012 calendar sprawling before them and thought, ah, we’ve got plenty of time to take care of this.


Now it’s August and Congress has gone on recess, in part to campaign before this November’s elections. In the intervening months lawmakers have convened 1,943,788 hearings to warn anyone who will listen about the dangers of sequestration. To a certain degree, they’ve succeeded: Mainstream reporters and a few political figures outside the defense family have started to pay attention. But it was clear this week, even after the months of noise-making, that Akin’s sense of isolation is still in effect up on the Hill.

Wednesday’s now-infamous hearing of the House Armed Services Committee, which broke from its standard script of “where’s mine” to an unusually rancorous airing of partisan talking points, showed the depth of frustration in the defense world. A few years ago, defense was a prince of Washington interest groups. With two hot wars underway and a unanimous “support our troops” mentality in the country, the Pentagon, its allies and dependents got whatever they wanted, times two, yesterday. Now that same cohort has become just another victim in today’s politics of hostage-taking.

Only this time, it’s Democrats who say they’re willing to let the hostage die. President Obama says that unless Congress gets a deal on its own to avoid January’s automatic, across-the-board budget restrictions, he’ll let them happen. There’s still plenty of time for Congress to work this out, the administration says.

But neither  committee chairman Rep. Buck McKeon nor its top Democrat, Rep. Adam Smith, sounded too optimistic. McKeon wrote in the Washington Post even before his own hearing that he didn’t expect much progress, and he warned everyone during the proceedings that far from “plenty of time,” Congress only has about two legislative weeks before Election Day to act. If it tries to deal with this problem after the election, in its winter lame duck session, he didn’t appear to think the odds were very good.

The problem for defense is that it has spent the year since the signing of its guillotine order shouting in an echo chamber. As we’ve observed here before, everyone in the family agrees. But even with House and Senate lawmakers out canvasing the byways and standing up on crates to warn Joe and Jane Voter about sequester, there doesn’t seem to be much resonance with Americans.

In fact, William Saletan of Slate rubbed his eyes in disbelief this week when he wrote about an Obama campaign ad attacking his GOP rival, Mitt Romney, for supporting increased defense spending.

Wrote Saletan:

President Obama has just released a new TV ad. He’s picking a fight with Mitt Romney over—can you believe this?—the defense budget. The ad says Romney, unlike Obama, would “increase military spending.” Is Obama crazy? Isn’t it political suicide to argue for a cheaper military?

Apparently not.

Democrats have long suffered for looking soft on defense. Remember Mondale and the nuclear freeze? Dukakis in the tank? Clinton and the gay ban? Kerry and the $87 billion? Democrats always preferred less money for national security, but they never admitted it. Just a week ago, in a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, Obama pledged, “We will maintain our military superiority. It will be second to none as long as I am president.”

The new ad abandons this pose. Using Iraq War footage and a fat aerial photo of the Pentagon, it comes out proudly for a leaner defense budget:

Two wars. Tax cuts for millionaires. Debt piled up. And now we face a choice. Mitt Romney’s plan? A new $250,000 tax cut for millionaires. Increase military spending. Adding trillions to the deficit. Or President Obama’s plan: a balanced approach. Four trillion in deficit reduction. Millionaires pay a little more.

I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. So I looked up the latest poll data and compared it to previous years. And you know what? That ad isn’t crazy. The polls have been moving. Obama has caught Romney on what’s now, by some measures, the losing side of the issue.

We wrote about this sentiment in May. And although it’s not a sure thing, Obama’s willingness to take the risk of attacking Romney on defense spending, combined with his support for letting sequestration happen, shows that the world out there is changing. The next challenge for the defense industry, Congress and the Pentagon could be to manage this shifting ground the best they can.

 

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Lovely politics. I think the average citizen is simply more concerned with the mounting debt than the tools that run this nation are. I don’t have a problem with discussion over reducing defense spending but the sequestration ala meat cleaver approach is dumb. An honest assessment of systems, their costs, performance or lack thereof and inquires into OTS innovative leveraging of existing options I think could yield a ton of savings and even increase defense capability for less money. The problem is there aren’t any grown ups in the room in DC to have that conversation.

Vested interest has a lot to do with this trend. Americans are being told that cuts have to be made, and they seem to be saying that if cuts have to be made, they would rather have defense cut than entitlements. By comparison, 1% of Americans serve, meaning they are less inclined to see the first hand effects of cuts on defense.

We have had two long term (arguable fruitless ) wars, where Americans have seen billions wasted on non-indigenous peoples with no apparent end. Moreover, American politicians seem to have no sense of forbearance in how they use military power, which understandably makes the public more cynical.

There is an old saying that wars ruin militaries. I think we are about to find that out.

Neither candidate is telling the truth. We are not far behind Greece as far as our financial deadbeat status is concerned. We have 1.2 trillion dollar deficits every year. We don’t have money for either Medicare or Social Security or National Security. We the citizens are the problem. We have become accustomed to a free lunch. We can get out of this mess, but it will require a lot of sacrifice including higher taxes on everybody (in Germany the tax base is 100%, not 50% like in the US) combined with substantial spending cuts including Medicare cuts

Like I’ve been saying for a while now “Sequestration” is the Democratic Dream Come True! They have been trying to cut the US Military since the end of the Vietnam War. If it wasn’t for Reagen we would not of had the Strong Military we had in the First Gulf War, or even the equipment in the numbers we are using today. The Dems want to cut it and this is their Big Chance. Like R. Emanuel said. ” Never Let a Good Crisis Go to Waste”

as long as there is a budget deal, there will not be squestration. All the GOP has to do is to agree to tax increases on people making over 250000.-, no sequestration will occur.
If there is absolutely no budget deal, all the Bush tax cuts will expire and an estimated 4 trillion will be collected over 10 years and sequestration also will be avoided per Dem Rep Smith.
It was the GOP which allowed to have defense spending in the sequestration bill, which was a colossal mistake and makes you wonder if Republican hawks have turned into chicklets

Batten down the hatches — buckle your seatbelt…

My guess as to what happens:
USAF cuts training flights by 50% & the elimination or mothballing of an airframe, probably the E-8 JSTARS
Navy ends the LCS & mothballs one carrier
Army cuts 75,000+ soldiers & mothballs 50% of its heavy armor
USMC cuts 25,000+ marines & retires all of it’s heavy armor

Not advocating this but just a guess… thoughts?

I meant to say non-citizens instead of non-indigenous.

No ones to blame but congress and the DoD for wasting Billions in waste in in the last 10 years FCS ICC GCV AH-66. They dug there own grave and its time to pay the piper unfortunately. They need to stop the waste and programs and have a month to evaluate what the DoD needs in the Pacific or Europe (since hopefully we will leave the Islamic Middle East to stew in its juices). Almost all these programs are made to fight Iraq all over again its waste.

Overall Army marines budgets can stay study and the Navy and Air Force for any Pacific War need near full attention.

No matter what cuts are still coming , sequestration is just the axe version , but the knife will happen regardless. There simply isnt the money to continue the current Pentagon spending, and even Romney knows this

if the US pulled back from foreign commitments, this would not be a problem.

I agree, let Europe pay for it’s own defense for a change. Cut the number of bases over there down to just a few Air & Navel bases & some repositioned stocks of Heavy Armor etc. The Europeans are cutting their Military’s to the bone. Hell I would too as long as I knew I had a Big Brother (USA) there that was doing it all for me. Also we should get out of the UN, we pay for 90% of it and get nothing but GRIEF in return.

If we did both of the things I mentioned above we could still afford to rebuild our Air & Navel forces and refit our current Armor forces back to “0” hours so if we need them again they aren’t all wore out, because of the last 10 years of use in the Dirt wars.

Stopping the constant interventions would help.

I agree with tee but let’s go just one step further. Not only get out of the UN but get the UN out of the United States. Move it to Guantamo, tell the Cubans we’re helping they’re economy and improve the security of the United States at the same time. Nothing but good publicity for the USA. We could even leave the prisoners in Guantanamo an “donate” them as U.N. employees.

Cutting entitlements would help even more.

Ending the LCS would be a smart move, but Obama’s adminstration already said they will not remove a carrier from the fleet.

That’s all good and well, but we’re talking defense. The truth of the matter is the public doesn’t want entitlements cut (until they self destruct apparently), so politicians and the Pentagon are going to have to find a way to do more with less.

Avoiding the knee jerk reaction to use force whenever it’s possible, could have allowed us to avoid the predicament we are now in.

Some people in the public, myself included, certainly want entitlements cut. Romney has promised to raise defense spending, so your first conclusion has a pretty good chance of not coming true. there is also a good case to make that the Pentagon has been finding ways to do more with less for a while now. As far as your last statement, here’s another way we could have avoided our predicament.. taking out bin Laden prior to 9/11. There was only 93 World Trade Center bombing, 98 US embassy bombing, and 2000 USS Cole providing just cause. we could have also followed up on credible links of Al Qaeda to the 95 OKC bombing.

I think the main problem with Afghanistan was that Bush (who apparently hated nation building) followed up the initial invasion with nation building.

Iraq, Libya, (and potentially Syria) is what I’m talking about.

UN bashing is simply spitting on a fairytale. The UN charter was rendered null and void in 1975, it amazes me governments and international lawyers have not made this clear for the past three decades. UN charter was explicit in detailing no sitting sovereign nation could be invaded and annexed by force. When North Vietnam was not ousted from the UN Assembly and permitted to declare itself representative of a “unified” Socialist Republic of Vietnam the Charter and UN as an organization ceased operating as a legal entity PERIOD. Tragically all those flouting UN sanctions are actually operating legally by the books. Republic of South Vietnam remains a legal sovereign entity according to the charter and until this is acknowledged (never will be) the UN is simply Theater.

The US military can survive sequestration if we withdraw all military assets located abroad as WWII ended over 60 years ago as we don’t need to try protecting Europe. South Korea has had 50 years to prepare for the North while Japan has been a love-hate situation as they want our protection and yet resent our presence. The world has had over 50 years where the US has been their protector and now it’s time for them to become independent again. The US should also jettison the UN and let some other country carry the financial burden.

I post this for what it’s worth:

How Does CBO’s Projection Compare with Funding Provided Under the Budget Control Act?

“How Does CBO’s Projection Compare with Funding Provided Under the Budget Control Act?
CBO compared its projection of the costs of executing DoD’s plans with the maximum funding levels that could be provided to the department under the Budget Control Act of 2011 (BCA), which limits discretionary appropriations through 2021. If DoD continues to receive its historical share of the national defense budget, CBO’s analysis yields these conclusions:

The cost of DoD’s base-budget plans for 2013 through 2021 is $508 billion higher in nominal terms than the funding that would be available to DoD under the BCA’s limits on discretionary appropriations for national defense before reductions due to that law’s automatic enforcement procedures.
The cost of DoD’s base-budget plans for 2013 through 2021 is $978 billion higher in nominal terms than the funding that would be available to DoD after the reductions due to the BCA’s automatic enforcement procedures, which are poised to take effect in January 2013.
For 2013, CBO’s projection of the cost of DoD’s plans is $14 billion higher than the funding that would be available under the BCA’s limits on discretionary appropriations for national defense before the BCA’s automatic reductions. Those costs would be $66 billion higher than the funding that would be available after the automatic reductions. Accommodating those reductions, in particular, could be difficult for the department to manage because it would have to be done over only nine months. Even with that cut, however, DoD’s base budget in 2013 would still be larger than it was in 2006 (in 2013 dollars) and larger than the average base budget during the 1980s.“
http://​www​.cbo​.gov/​p​u​b​l​i​c​a​t​i​o​n​/​4​3​428

Excellent points. Wholeheartedly agree that the UN is theatre.

Not a UN fan and while I would love to leave it, it’d be just another organization for our enemis to manipulate. We’ve given it too much credibility over the decades by participating and promoting projects in it. Sad but true. It is one of those foreign entanglements Washington warned about.

What’s probably realistic is cutting our budget contribution to the bone (equal to other nations) while maintaining our seat on the securinty council to veto any BS.

mo — Interventions are dictated by gov’t, not a pure “defense” issue. They are political in nature. The left loves to harp on intervention and our presence in the world while ignoring domestic policy. I don’t buy into the premise that the first place to cut is defense (not saying there isn’t waste).

Interventions might be your pet peeve. Fine but don’t become a tool for those that will only look at defense when it comes to “saving” money because that approach IS a defense issue..

I would rather not get into the whole left verus right argument, because both sides have played this game, but to discount wars (which interventions are) as irrelevant to budget issues I think is wrong.

Do we really save money if we give up our seat at the table though? I don’t have an issue with withdrawing some assets. I see no reason for mech forces in Germany, but an airborne regiment in Italy is handy. I would agree we can probably withdraw ground forces from South Korea, but strike aircraft in theater are a helpful deterrent.

We did pack our marbles and go home after WW1 and that was a big part of what caused WW2. That sure didn’t save us any money in the long run.

I think there are a lot of things we could do to save money in defense, but being forward deployed and involved in regions that are going to impact us here at home if they go to war is smart. Deterrence is cheaper than open conflict. What arguments do moderates in China have against the hawks if the US withdraws all forces from Korea and Japan? Would that increase military actions likelihood on the part of the Chinese? More than likely yes and if the region of the Pacific where over half of the world’s commercial shipping sails goes to war that will have a very negative impact here in the US.

So again, I don’t disagree that there are some forces that could be moved for cost savings, but all or nothing approaches are exactly what sequestration is and they are never generally good ideas. Life and geopolitics are just too chaotic for all or nothing approaches.

Poll have shown that Americans want the military budget cut for some time now, its near they top of the list. Military spending has doubled since 2001, the dreaded automatic reduction simply rolls it back to 2006 levels. Its not big deal, except our lazy Generals are incompetent and refuse to plan. If they were patriots, they’ve be cutting right now.

I never discounted wars. Interventions aren’t irrelevant to the budget discussion it’s just that entitlements are a much bigger part.

Very perceptive analysis, STemplar. That’s a balanced assessment and fairly rational approach to this issue.

Didn’t know that. The LCS is just about to fall from favor as the JSF is too I suspect… Unfortunately the entire DoD is still in the fantasy land that Congress will somehow become something less than dysfunctional post November… start planning for the worst but hope for the best…

An addition to the cut list for the USAF, all C-21’s…

A poll’s answer is always dictated by the question and never really indicative of a particular segments actual opinion of an actual event or desire. A poll is then not an answer and does not contain any particular insight into any sort of solution. That the ‘Public’ wants a particular thing, is irrelevant until some sort of action is taken, congress and every bureaucracy knows this and thus does not fear any sort of change, the status quo will be maintained.

It’s easy to throw blame at a number of individuals, but they themselves are simply parts of a bloated and broken machine which not limited to and exclusively military. Every bureaucracy in our nation is subject to chronic waste and miss-management, yet the only solution is to cut them to shreds? Sure, feels good to take a chunk of numbers on a paper and hack it up and dole it out to everyone else, but how exactly does that save money? Every American who is not currently in debt, knows that to stay that way you have to stop spending money you don’t have. Paying only half of your car insurance seems like it saves you money, right up until you get a ticket, so it’s not really any savings.

So, why not be an actual patriot, don’t let some faceless incompetent general do the work, get off your kester and show them what to do. Not something intangible like waving some poll about, but something reasonable like accountability and efficiency. It’s hard work, which is why the mess is in our laps to begin with.

The Evil Party suckered the Stupid Party (again). This time, the Stupid Party believed (surely!) NO ONE would be Evil enough to jeopardize National Defense, even if they deign to play games with it. But the Evil Party was too clever by half (as they are really the Evil Hybris-ridden Party).

I agree Drake, the country is no longer one of self-reliance, but of hand outs. Unfortunately when we fail there will be no one around to hand out anything but useless money and institutionally-sanctioned death and destruction. We are entering the Second Dark Ages and there will be no Renaissance.

Mobius22 — Why do you post under two different names?

I forget to change it when leaving another forum.

A plan that I’ve seen floating around the email circuit at L3 and Raytheon reads as follows.
The Army mothballing 60% of its heavy forces and cutting 100K troops.
The USAF consolidating Air Guard & Reserve assets, then cutting those by over 60%. Deactivation of all
Block 30 or earlier F-16s. Deactivation of all B-1Bs and 50% of B-52s. Deactivation of remaining C-5s and early model C-130s. Land ICBMs also say goodbye.
The Navy will have 10 carriers, 5 each on each coast(one carrier each coast tagged for USMC support), LCS is gone. Boomer force is maintained.
The USMC size is mandated by Congress at 3 Divisions and 3 Airwings. 1st MarDiv become active FMF with enough Marines to float all Navy amphibious assets at 150% strength, 2nd MarDiv becomes Active Training and Logistics, and 3rd MarDiv is the new flag of the Marine Reserve. 1st & 2nd Airwings loose fixed wing aircraft(see Navy, retain helos & Ospreys), and 3rd Airwing is training only. USMC Armor, Artillery, Heavy Engineer support from Army.

Which one is the Evil party? Which one is the Stupid party? Because after 56 years I’m convinced that both American political parties are full of &%%&, I meant both Evil and Stupidity.

I second that.

Moving the UN HQ would be great theatrics if it were played right — such as welcoming Cuba back into the international community. While being a UN member is a game we have to play, it’s not a game we need to fund and we don’t need to give a great alibi for all those spies running around our country.

I see the 2 parties as bad and worse with their titles changing with how they dance on each issue. When it comes to defense though, I think the Dems are worse because they love to get involved in world events while also desiring to cut funding.

I’d love to see a closer tie between the expectation sof the military and the funding.

The Democrats love a smaller military, but want to send it everywhere. The Republicans love a bigger military, but want to keep it at home.

Active duty service members, Guard members, and veterans are overwhemingly Republican. The Democrats see sequestration as a weapon against the Republicans, but the main issue with the election is still the ECONOMY. This administartion created the debt crisis, now they want to be badged as the solution.
The democratic party has adopted Communist idealogies. Create a crisis then present a solution to that crisis. The economy defeated George Bush Sr. and it is likely to defeat Barack Obama.

If we have no money for Social Security and Medicare, where did this money go? Remember besides paying Income taxe we also pay for SS and Medicare, so again the question Where did the DemocRATS spend it since 2008?

I love the way the word “Polls” are used to push a point. You know if you only ask questions to certain groups of people you will get the poll you want. Seems like now they are starting to question the WHOM DID THEY ASK for these polls numbers. Seem like one poll they asked 33% more Deomcrats than Republicans so they could get a poll that showed Obama ahead by 10 points

the problem isn’t so much where did the money go in the past, as much as the growth in future liabilities far exceed what current tax revenues will bring in. The unfunded liabilites (especially SS, Medicare, Medicaid) are something like $60T+ which would all get added on top of the national debt major policy changes take place (eg, increased taxes or decreased benefits). Superraptor is on the right track to getting to the crucial issue affecting our future. We have the largest debt in the world, one of the highest Debt to GDP ratios in the world, and the unfunded liabilties are an anchor chained around our neck. At some point creidtors will lose faith in the US govt to pay on its debt, resulting in higher interest rates and/or collapse of the dollar, defaulting on obligations, and possible overall economic collapse. I wonder how the Japanese have managed to stay alive as they are the most overleveraged nation in the world?

It is a good thing that there are other parties to chose from! I remember being involved when we went after Milosevic the same day Linda Tripp was due to testify against Clinton… and I remember fun times in Iraq under Bush and Obama. But I wouldn’t dare say “overwhelmingly”. Both Republicans and Democrats are both equally responsible for the mess we find ourselves.

i think that would depend on how you measure the mess. i believe the greatest threat to the country is the unfunded liabilities of SS, Medicare, and Medicaid, and God knows what other messes are yet uncovered, as well as the spoiled, entitlement culture that refuses to budge an inch on reform proposals, such as increasing the minimum age. I blame the proponency of that kind of mentality on the Democrats more than the Republicans.

i wonder how a pre-emptive strike on iran would change this situation. if that happened, nobody would want to cut defense, right?

Cuba would never get it. Like it or not hosting the UN is a prestige thing. If it ever went up for grabs it would likely go to a nation that could afford it (or just buy it). Last I heard NONE of our friends are in that category. Think China. Now think back to the 2008 Olympics. Do you want to see images like that on a daily basis? Be careful what you ask for.

Spies? Yeah, well there are some silver linings. We actually cultivate spies out of the UN. It’s better to know where the snakes in the garden are and most spying is electronic today. It’s also kind of silly to think closing the UN is going to eliminate spies. That’s like believing more gun laws will keep guns from criminals.

Just like quitting the UN, the thought is emotionally satisfying but we are frankly stuck. There are things we can do though. Quit playing tiddlywinks with the BS coming out off the UN. How many committes are just wastes or are veiled anti-american groups? Slash those budgets. If the UN wants to talk about genocide we shouldn’t be paying for the UN to investigate us and ignore Darfur!

Lazy Generals are incompetant and refuse to plan?
Oh, the Generals certainly want to plan but you see, under this litle document called the US Constitution, the military is controlled by civilians, ie: the Secretary of Defense who is an appointee of President Obama. The Secretary has specifically ordered the Department to NOT plan for the sequester.

You should try reading that constitution thing… its kind of interesting.

the problem is we would have to borrow the money from China to do it. Better learn Mandarin.

I measure the mess at $16 trillion and growing. All of which was added over the last 12 years when both parties controlled the White House and both houses in Congress at one point or another. They are both equally culpable as they have both added to the deficit, as well as, done absolutely nothing to fix it when they were in 100% control of both the WH and all of Congress. They are both equally culpable.

“100% control” is a fallacy. as we learned with the health care debate, a caucus of 40 votes in the Senate can block any legislation from passing. The drivers of the current debt & future unfunded liabilities are SS, Medicare, and Mediaid, problems which were exacerbated by Obama & his Democratic supermajority with the health care debacle. By record alone Obama deserves to be fired.

“According to the Congressional Budget Office, if the sequestration axe falls, the Department of Defense’s base budget would still be larger than it was in 2006 (adjusting for inflation). At the end of 2006, the top five defense companies employed a total of 577,200 people, according to reports they filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. That was slightly more than the 520,900 they reported at the end of 2011.”

Cut the budget. Please cut the budget. I don’t want to lose my job!

Romney is the embodiment of everything thats wrong with this country. He’s a butcher, he breaks companies, the ppl are outta luck and this guy gets super rich. Obama’s plan makes sense. Why would anyone not making over 150k vote for a guy who will raise the middle’s taxes to pay for millionaire tax breaks. How many guys make over 100k here? Why vote for Willard??

Well, if Romney was POTUS he would bend over for Bibi. Obama will not do it. Why do we need another war right now? We don’t. Not now, but one day it may have to be. How far along are the Iranians, really??

After 4 years in office Obama has a plan? Isn’t that convenient?

I have a plan. Why don’t we put a federal sales tax on people who buy foreign produced goods? That way countries who treat their workers like crap and pollute the earth like it was their own personal cesspool would be on an equal footing with companies, such as those in the US, who don’t act irresponsibly. Yeah, it’s a quaint old notion called a tariff. It used to be the primary means the federal government had to raise revenue. Now that they can tax the shit out of us, they’ve decided they don’t need to collect those anymore so now companies get nothing but bonuses for moving their manufacturing out of country. That lying bastard Obama used to be for those before he became president.

Your name and statement deserve each other!

Incorrect. Obamacare was passed with reconciliation as were the Bush tax cuts. The Senate doesnt need to overcome a fillibuster on a budgetary issue as that is exactly what re onciliation was meant for. So both parties happily used it for their spending priorities and added to the debt and neither used it to reduce the debt. They are both fully culpable and they both had the tools tbey needed to address it and didnt.

Chao–

While the long-formed problems you state are a fair representation of what needs to be corrected in this country, your personal blame for such problems is more ideologically based unfortunately, and less based on reality… as harsh and unpopular as reality is.

In that case, you actually seem to be pretty in-line with STemplar’s assessment of the greater problems, while the ultimate solution absolutely needs to require a more humbled and compromised joint-base process for it’s reform and restructuring.

Reality is the America people gave Obama a fair chance and a lot of rope. He made a strategic mistake in prioritizing health care over jobs. He badly managed the health care legislation effort, resulting in a rejection of his agenda by the American public, destruction of the Democratic party’s political power and agenda, which included some worthwhile pursuits, a Constitutional embarassment, and an increasingly embittered & dysfunctional political establishment & public. And he did nothing to address the long term entitlement unfunded liabilities time bomb, and likely made it worse. You must be a pretty arrogant liberal to even think there is a one “ultimate solution” defined according to your paradigm. Another solution worth considering is for the American public to remove stupid people from political power, be they Republican, Democrat, or shortsighted posters on DoDBuzz.

One would hope that the Republican Party had a better candidate than Mitt the Windvane; however, does the President actually make a difference? The Republicans have controlled the Presidency most of the time since 1968 and what difference has it made other than the country is now nearly bankrupt?? Guess we can’t expect the Republicans to save the economy. Bill Clinton is the only one who has balanced the budget in the last 44 years and the Republicans impeached him for lying to them about having sex with MOnica. Like, was it any of their business anyway?? Oh yeah, depend on the Tea Party to save the economy??? LOL, not when it involves their pet projects. They just added $10.5B to a bloated transportation bill.

I worked in US defense for 42 years, half of it as an Air Force officer and half as a senior systems engineer in industry. From that background, two thoughts.
(1) We have met the enemy and he is indeed us. Military acquisition has been hosed up for 20 years, and not simply by an insensitive DoD bureaucracy. As the Army Acquisition Review and “lessons learned” studies of programs like FCS have demonstrated, up to half of our systems acquisitions are terminated before they reach large scale production. Though many of us may resist admitting it, we really do know the primary reason for such failure: inflated and parochial military “desirements” translated uncritically into “requirements” without viable technology to enable them.
(2) Meantime the US political system grinds itself to fragments over our unwillingness to face reality: spending beyond our means for Social Security and Medicare, and at the same time refusing to tax the top 1% who effectively own our political system through the corrupting influence of campaign contributions.

There are cures for both problems, though any solutions will hurt both the innocent and the guilty. Let sequestration happen, fire a flock of Colonels, generals and bureaucrats, and force the military to learn to cope again. On the political front, do as the bumper sticker suggests: RE-ELECT NOBODY! Send an unknown dog catcher to congress or the Senate, rather than a known politician who is by definition on the take.

Both presidential opponents still have yet to face the grim reality that it is the financial practices of the Pentagon that HAVE to be changed. We are actually spending more to get less of everything with each fiscal year DoD budget. I wrote a 74 page chapter on how badly FUBAR the Pentagon’s fiscal practices have been since 9/11 for my upcoming book — “TheTUNESMITH CHRONICLES” citing POGO and other puzzle palace irrefutable experts.
The AMOUNT of the budget is meaningless when the Pentagon cannot keep accurate accounting practices of where ANY of its vast billion dollar budget goes.

Youre fairly insulting and partisan. What in your opinion did Bush an the Republicans do for your entitlement bomb with prescrition drug benefit? Thats the portion of medicare that draws from general funds an not FICA solely. That would make Bush an the republicans liberals by your measure. This isnt so.ething you can lump on one party over the othef. Theyre both buying votes. Period.

problem is, why should the colonels be fired for the generals’ strategic mistakes? when it comes to accountability, it would be better to go for precision vs a nuclear approach.

Well the truth may hurt prideful people. Let’s look at your inaccuracies as an example. Prescription drug benefit without a cost control mechanism was obviously a strategic blunder. Any sincere fiscal conservatives would agreed. the vote passed by a razor thin margin in the House. check out Judd Gregg’s position @ http://​www​.ontheissues​.org/​s​o​c​i​a​l​/​J​u​d​d​_​G​r​e​g​g​_​H​eal… “It is fiscally irresponsible, and it would imperil the long-term fiscal soundness of Medicare by using short-term budget gimmicks that do not solve the problem.” I agree with you that both parties act like Democrats at times. But SS, Medicare, and Medicaid were all signed into law by Presidents from the Democratic party, with all the associated legislative army twisting and sleazy vote payoffs. Proposed cost controls such as raising the minimum age requirement, despite the longer lifespans, are a show stopper with Democrats. Period.

also check out Ron Paul’s (intellectual godfather of the Tea party) record at http://​www​.politifact​.com/​t​r​u​t​h​-​o​-​m​e​t​e​r​/​s​t​a​t​e​m​ent

i will be the first to agree with any Democrat in slamming Bush’s fiscal record, but to be fair about the record. The supposed Clinton glory years were actually fueled by stock market and then housing bubbles. Someone had to pay the price for bad policy under Clinton years such as artificially low inflation rates, increased federal support of mortgage backed security giants Fannie & Freddie, and lowered lending standards to “help” the poor enjoy the blessings of home ownership”. Then there was a little event of 9/11 that pushed the country into recession at the start of Bush’s tenure.

Obamacare is far beyond a tax or budget issue. Reconcilliation was inappropriate.

“refusing to tax the top 1%” What! We don’t tax the top 1%? You mean the same folks that account for over 35% of all taxes. Uh yeah…

When you throw out such a blatant lie it puts everything you said in question.

Both parties used it to advance political spending agendas. There is no moral high ground in its use.

The republicans have had the #s to roll back any entitlement they wanted to a number of times an they have chosen not to. They couldve rammed throuh any cuts they liked but the reality is they would be savaged in the next election. Both of these parties have used deficit spending to buy their way into office an to stay there once they get there. Political reality in America is there is no way an all austeriy path will ever see the light of day an the Republitards will continue to overspend just like the Demorats. The only light between the two parties is a few social issues.

You cited the Bush TAX cuts. Obamacare is a different animal. Nice try.

You lose me with that comment. Both parties have used reconciliation to advance their political agendas fiscal priorities. Youll have to elaborate.

Political platitudes, that’s all we get. The real issues are never addressed.

Yeah, it’s not waste if you can account for the money you wasted. More bs non-solutions.

Handing more money to people that over spend to fix the problem of over spending is the same logic as handing a junky more heroin to get them to stop using drugs. Stupid.

that’s why you should run for President. i’d love to see how far you get o the crusade to end cost-plus contracting!

you both have good points. Maj Rod is right on point that reconcilation was inapproriate for Obamacare, I would argue Bush tax cuts too, in agreement with you. holy cow I will even agree with Robert Byrd. The Byrd Rule says measures are inappropriate for consideration for reconciliation “if it would increase the deficit for a fiscal year beyond those covered by the reconciliation measure” Both Bush Tax Cuts and Obamacare have fiscal impacts into perpetuity. best discussion i’ve seen on dodbuzz is a long time, thanks.

Bottom line is the original verbiage of reconciliation was left too vague. It was supposed to be for preventing deficits and mannaging surpluses but just ended saying something ambiguous about spending in general.

I agree about the discussion and it would be nice if the tools running for office talked about this instead of dumb shit like tax returns and all the other bullshit we are having to endure from both parties.

first off Republicans have madeand why do you think they would be savaged in the election? because Democrats would call them evil for attempting to cut entitlements. If Democrats would give a little on something as basic as raising the minimum age, since people are living longer ad healthier, we’d have a bipartisan solution. I’ll agree with you that both parties are accountable for horrible decisions affecting our fiscal situation. But I believe the Democrats are more to blame & more obstructionist to reform efforts to the driver (by far) of the problem — SS, Medicare, & Medicaid.

The Republicans have never cut social security and medicare, they have only expanded them. If they tried to lead some ideological charge into cutting those items the baby boomers would tear them a new one in the elections. That’s why there is always noise from the conservative side of the GOP and never any action because the thought of losing a swath of seats in FL to NV doesn’t appeal to them as the retirement community rips them apart. The political reality of this nation is the elderly are the largest growing demographic so there isn’t going to be any changes to social security for a long time if both parties don’t agree together. The Republicans have had all the control they have needed a number of times in the Congress and WH together to make substantive changes had they wanted to and they declined, that is the reality of social security and medicare.

You think that is a political platitude? Wow. Fixing the current contracting rules is well within the powers of the president. The bureaucrats that make these rules all work for him. Instead of talking about real issues like that, we will hear a year and a half of accusations and counter accusations regarding birth certificates and tax returns. By the time the brainwashed zombie hoards go to the polls, they will be thoroughly convinced a vote for the other party is a vote for the devil himself even though they will not be able to articulate a single substantial policy difference between the two major candidates. In their ignorance they will continue to get more of the same policies regardless of which major party is in power. And real unemployment will continue at 20+%, and gas will stay $4/gallon, prices will go up, wages will go down, defense companies will continue to make record profits as the cost of weapons programs skyrocket, but that’s what people who don’t give a damn about the real issues effecting their lives deserve.

Sorry about that first line. I started on one track and then got derailed. Anyway, no one wants an engineer for president. Good with machines, bad with people, especially this engineer.

“fixing contracting rules well within powers of president” theoretically yes, but politically possible I beg to differ. McCain’s tried it. Where we disagree is that you keep on railing against cost plus contracting, but this does not address the root of the problem. The root of the problem is the culture that develops the types of concepts & the pursuit of immature technology that makes cost plus contracting necessary in the first place.

i would love to see an engineer become President. someone who can lead & manage systems as integrations of technology & people. not all engineers are bad with people. I think the problem is good engineers are underpaid & underappreciated. I bet if good engineers were paid what they were worth, we’d have a lot less grumpy engineers.

I am no fan of the UN (even bigger than the money issue is that US leaders and lawyers seem so eager to abdicate their (our) sovereign authority to this international body). But exaggeration hurts your argument, rather than helping it. Quick Google search on “US percent of UN budget” reveals the following“
“The U.S. contributes more to the UN than any other country — 22 percent of the regular UN budget and 27 percent of the peacekeeping budget” That’s a lot of money, but pretty far from 90%.

Whether the US receives a significant return on its investment is debatable.

It’s really not the pay so much as it is not being allowed to do the work. We talk about that all the time. How do you make designing airplanes suck? It’s the job most of us dreamed of having when we were kids. We’re right here, we’ve got airplanes all around us, and every time we try to do our jobs we get smacked up side the head. And when I talk to my counter parts on the US Air Force side, they say the same thing we do. It is very frustrating and a lot of engineers take it out on each other, but seeing the big picture helps. At least knowing why things happen the way they do keeps me from wasting a lot of energy on things that will never happen, and I can focus on the things that are within my control.

The funny thing is, in the 1980s for the most part, aerospace companies were only reimbursed for their design and testing. They made no profit on that money. The DoD was unhappy with that arrangement because the defense community was proposing a lot of modifications to existing aircraft and weapons, but they were avoiding risk like the plague. This stood out very starkly when contrasted with the work of the ‘70s, ‘60s, and ‘50s when there was a lot of innovation going on.

So that’s when the defense contractors decided to lay out their new proposal which was to make a profit on the money they were reimbursed for design and testing costs. They guaranteed the DoD that if only they could make a small profit on that money the gates of innovation would open up. In reality, they really didn’t. Some of what seems innovative to those outside the industry, like the visual spectrum target scanning system of the F-35, had been around for decades in the research and development community.

These days if you want to see innovation, look at a business jet. They tend to be farther along in many ways than your typical stealth fighter.

1st the Clinton surpluses were only on paper. IF everything that can happen in our economy had only the best results, IF nothing unexpected requiring any additional funds over 1998 funding levels, & IF actual Federal spending was kept at 1998 levels(no baseline budgeting annual 5–8% increases) then an actual useable surplus would have been availible in what year? 2012. None of those things happened. Plus both parties politicans (but mostly Dems) had the mythical surplus spent before the ink was dry on the initial projections. The cost of the Bush Seniors Perscription program ate 1/3 of the proposed surplus, it wasn’t that big.
PS I advise you next time you sit in front of THREE different Grand Juries and lie, just stick to that “its personal and none of your business” line and see how far it will get you.

The Congressional Budget Office reported a surplus in 1998, 1999, and 2000.

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