Paul Ryan and the Pentagon

Paul Ryan and the Pentagon

The military is so far off the radar for this presidential election that Republican nominee Mitt Romney and his vice presidential pick, Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan, didn’t mention Afghanistan once during their 60 Minutes interview Sunday night. Romney mentioned Syria, Egypt and Iran, but those countries don’t have about 80,000 U.S. troops engaged in combat.

And why should they bring up Afghanistan? Americans don’t want to talk about Afghanistan other than to stand between the occasional baseball inning to thank returning troops. Polls show most support an immediate pullout. CBS Face the Nation anchor Bob Schieffer never even asked the Republican running mates a direct question about their thoughts on Afghanistan. The focus is the economy, the economy and then the economy some more.

Chairman of the House Budget Committe, Ryan’s budget plan has gotten the most attention since Romney announced his VP selection. Pundits have leaped over their desks talking about Ryan’s plans to cut Medicare and what it means to independent elderly voters.


What veteran groups have noticed is a noticeable lack of the word “veteran” throughout Paul’s lengthy document. Jon Soltz, head of VoteVets​.org was not impressed with Romney’s selection, according to a Politico report.

“In his first presidential-level decision, Mitt Romney picks a guy who would slash veterans care by tens of billions and whose budget didn’t even use the word ‘veteran?’ Paul Ryan sees veterans as numbers, not as people,” Soltz told Politico.

Other veterans advocates celebrated Romney’s pick saying Ryan has made it a point to protect veterans and fence off defense spending from other budget cuts.

“The Ryan budget protected veterans and he stated publicly that the first obligation of the federal government is our national security and that we must take care of those who step up and protect America,”  Bob Wallace, executive director of Veterans of Foreign Wars, told Politico.

Ryan’s seat as the House Budget Committee chairman hasn’t excluded him from the occasional dust up with military leaders in this recent round of budget hearings. Ryan and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey.

Ryan said military leaders had lied to Congress in their support for their proposed budgets that included sweeping cuts to planned defense spending.

“We don’t think the generals are giving us their true advice. We don’t think the generals believe that their budget is really the right budget,” Ryan said in March. “What we get from the Pentagon is a budget-driven strategy not a strategy-driven budget.”

Dempsey took issue with a member of Congress essentially calling him and his fellow generals liars. Ryan eventually had to apologize for his statements saying he “misspoke.”

Ryan has not served in the military. Neither has Romney, President Obama or Vice President Joe Biden. Ryan spent most of his adult life on Capitol Hill working his way up as an aide to serving seven terms as a Wisconsin congressman.

One of his colleagues on the Hill, House Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon, threw his support behind the pick of Ryan saying the military will benefit.

“Ryan understands how important it is to get our fiscal house in order, but also that short-sighted, budget-driven defense strategies are not good for our defense,” McKeon told Reuters.

Going forward, the big question will be which parts of Ryan’s budget will leak into Romney’s plan as Romney made the point on 60 Minutes that he has a budget plan too.

Both plans protect the Defense Department with Romney going as far to hint that he could support some Republican proposals to keep defense spending at 4 percent of the nation’s gross domestic product. That would bump spending for the Pentagon up $100 billion versus the doom and gloom over the potential cuts from sequestration.

Watching just how often this is discussed outside the Pentagon and defense industry bubble will be something to watch.

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Why shouldn’t we bring the troops home? We got Bin Laden, we got many of his high-up lieutenants. Bringing the soldiers, marines and airmen home doesn’t mean letting down our guard against terrorist attacks and terrorist encampments. Let drones and the Navy keep watch and get our ground forces out of that hole in the Earth. At this point, we’re just throwing good money after bad, spending billions per day/week in a country that doesn’t appreciate our sacrifices and just wants to latch on to us for our foreign aid.

Oh, and bringing them home will mean big a big drop in our defense spending, so maybe we won’t have to cut as many other, more valuable military programs from the budget if we get *out* of Afghanistan.…

Jon Soltz is showing his true colors (again), and making himself look like an idiot (again). His criticism of Ryan is based on the fact that the word “Veterans” doesn’t show up in his proposed budget? Please!
His next criticism is that Ryan’s budget (which is supposed to be all about numbers) treats veterans as numbers. Ouch! What a stinging criticism! VoteVets, your credibility as a “nonpartisan” PAC has fallen even further (if possible).
Jon Soltz would have us believe that since he named his PAC VoteVets, therefore he represents veterans, and since Ryan’s budget doesn’t include the word vets, therefore Ryan is against vets. VoteVets bills itself as “The Voice of Americas 21st Century Patriots.” Hey, Jon, did you also notice that Ryan’s budget doesn’t include the word “Patriot”, while your self-appointed moniker does? Proof positive that Ryan is not as patriotic as you!!
DoDBuzz, at what point does this get old? At what point does the fact that they put “vets” in their PAC name no longer automatically qualify VoteVets for headliner status on veteran’s issues?

I agree with bringing most of the troops home. but we have to do it responsibly. we need to honor commitments we’ve made as much as possible, protect innocents, and try not to let the country descend into greater chaos. I think we need an intel & spec ops/green beret presence there for a long time.

Paul Ryan will hopefully result in much needed change. Hopefully he can help us get rid of anyone in leadership position that has no fiscal sense.

Just like words “freedom, liberty, patriot” and whatnot are rapidly being diluted as they are expended in partisan bubble-blowing games.

Another Congressman who wants to spend spend spend. This has little of nothing to do with defense since the economy and our debt is so screwed up that the US is headed for a train wreck any way.

Lance, recommend you Google before Tweeting Paul Ryan has been the leading voice in Congress for a responsible budget that cuts spending before we reach the fiscal cliff. You can call him a lot of things, but big spender isn’t one of them.

Great post, Joe. Solz makes veterans look like just another rent-seeking interest group looking for our “fair share” of OPM. His reflexive, transparent attack on Ryan is the worst form of partisan hackery…fresh talking points from the Obama campaign machine. He dishonors the veterans he claims to represent. This article is unworthy of DoDBuzz.

Understood, so what has Ryan spelled out that he is going to do for the Vets then?

Like cutting the taxes on the Rich. That is fiscal sense. Blindly supporting the military is not patriotism. We want these big boy toys, but they also need to be paid for.

Should we keep blindly supporting the military industrial welfare?

I am all for defense…More so then most, but how do you keep funding failed programs?

The cuts should be fair and balanced for all citizens since we are all citizens in this country.

Equating VoteVets with the VFW is a canard. Vote Vets is a liberal hack job. 90% of their board of advisors are left leaning registered democrats. Rep Gary Peters MI-D called VoteVets, “The largest progressive group of veterans in America, VoteVets​.org PAC, with over 220,000 supporters” http://​votevets​.org/​n​e​w​s​/​r​e​l​e​a​s​e​s​?​i​d​=​0​501 The VFW is apolitical and has 2.1 MILLION members. Why even mention VoteVets?

While talking about the non military credentials of the Pres/VP and candidates the author failed to mention Joe Biden’s FIVE deferements? Hmmmmm…

Yep, Afghanistan wasn’t mentioned in the interview. Not right but understandable. Why no comparison to the present administration’s avoidance of the issue and the failure of the Pres to engage reporters at all over the last month or so? Balaced? Hardly but very subtle!

How about some analysis/comparison of how each administration will treat defense vs. equating a progressive PAC w/the VFW or making the service record of the individuals involved look equal?

Geoff — Any plan to withdraw troops with no plan to keep Afghanistan from becoming a terror haven again isn’t a plan. It just kicks the can down the road.

Chaos — Spec Ops is not a panacea. Number five of the five SOF truths: 5. Most special operations require non-SOF assistance.

I don’t know that Ryan has spelled out anything in particular that he is going to do for vets (or nurses, or electricians, or retired gym teachers). Hopefully he keeps his eyes on the prize (fiscal integrity) and never lowers himself to pandering to special interest groups. Unfortunately, that’s what many vet organizations are, in my opinion. Don’t believe me? Ask anybody who is not a vet what they think of our organizations. (Not vets themselves, but, vet organizations.)
If Ryan can do that, maybe he (we) can manage to balance the budget. (I know. I sound like a utopian dreamer, right? But it’s not a dream. Ask your grandparents. In fact, anything OTHER THAN the reality of “what goes around comes around” and “you get what you pay for” IS a utopian dream. We need to wake up soon, and DEAL WITH REALITY, before this dream becomes a nightmare. If we do, maybe, just maybe, on some distant day, the supposedly “richest nation on earth” will be more than the largest collection of debtors on earth.

Ryan has become famous for trying to tackle a multi-trillion dollar financial mess which requires significant changes at the macro level. Why would he have to have a sound bite (or pen and ink equivalent) in those budget plans (which were written 2 years ago) to satisfy a particular demographic? Ryan has been part of the election campaign for less than a week. If he came out of the gate with speeches and campaign promises for every political demographic I would be very suspect.

On domestic issues I agree but ny friend of Bucky McKenon wants a blank check for the DoD which isnt responsible.

The purpose of Afghanistan to the President is to bleed America, of blood, but more importantly of money and the will to dominate. It’s time for a strategic rethink or our entire world posture. Should America be the bullwork of western defense when it is not at all clear that the west can even summon the will to choose survival, much less dominance. The military must shrink. Funds spent on people must be spent on equipping us with the strategic capabilities needed to stay in the fight until a new generation arises in the west with the will to stand up. Cut defense and let that be the platform from which to launch a general assault on government at every level. If needs be we can destroy afghanistan and pakistan as functioning societies for a fraction of the effort we expend on saving them from their own poisonous ideology. The main front is now at home where we must cut the throat of the states unceasing claims on our lives and liberties.

“Although organized as nonpartisan, it has been described as “partisan”, “closely aligned with Congressional Democrats,” and “liberal” in news stories.[8][9][10] In a June 2011 press release, the organization specifically identified itself as the “largest progressive group of veterans in America.”

I love the internets so much information at my fingertips.….….

Why didnt they mention afghanistan? Because the majority of the general public is unwilling to even admit to the realities of warfare if they even knew of them. The reality that you cant win Astan as long as Pakistain and iran dont want you too. That some cultures lack the simple structures to form a democratic government and you cant force them into it in a decade.

They’re not talking about defense because it isn’t a big issue in people’s minds. Elections are sales pitches in this country and both sides have to convince the most people of what they will get if they vote for their campaign. People are just not focused on defense and national security.

One issue I have with boths sides is the lack of standing up about our broken tax system. The constitution allows congress to impose taxes, duties, Impost and exercises and also states it must provide a navy — army — post offices and roads with those taxes. It also states that these fees shall be uniformed throughout the US. In other words every citizen should be paying the same ammount or percentage. In reading this I could easily interpit this to mean if you dont pay any taxes (i.e 53% of the population last report) then you are not a “citizen” and dont deserve any govt benefits or the right to vote in this country period. A 10% flat tax on income and corporate profits paid by everyone with 0 deductions would end a lot of these issues and only give bennefits such as SS & medicare to US citizens who are natural born (meaning both parent were US citizens when they were bron) and stop giving them to everyone who crosses the border legally or not.

In this era of fiscal issues the Defense budget must be cut along with all other areas of federal spending. Where the focus must be is not on new tanks, planes etc but on care for those who were injured in standing up for our freedoms. Yes, cut defense, it is too big but take care of the wounded ones.

If President Obama had four deferments like Romney, who was old enough to serve in Vietnam, he would have never been president. I would advice everyone I know not to serve in the military ever again if Mitt wins. They call the President a “birther” while giving Romney, the “draft dodger”, a free pass. The double standards are mind boggling.

OMG! I know it is not a requirement to have served in the Military to be “President” However, Don’t you think that the Commander In Chief of the United States Military, should have served in the military? Come on people let’s get real. And can we get some decent candidates to run? not a bunch of yahoo loosers. Condelisa rice for VP almost. REALLY? where are the greats? JFK, Reagan, Bush Senior. George Washington. I know Dead but or almost. .… JESSE VENTURA WHERE ARE YOU RUN JESSE RUN!!! That is who we need a former US Navy Seal!

WOW. talk about censoring information and only allowing your opinion. I just submitted a post that was not vulgar nor was in discriminating yet it was deleted. here is an attempt to get my opinion out there again. I recently read an article talking on the subject of money being spent on the research and developement of a Spiderman like outfit design so that military personnel can scale vertical glass walls without the aid of climing gear. IS THIS NECESSARY? yet it costs too much money to outfit ground forces with upgraded and new weapons to “protect them” What are we thinking?

Soltz leads: “The largest progressive group of veterans in America, VoteVets​.org PAC” it is no surprise that he is the first one cited in this article or that he is against Ryan. Why veterans are “progressive” to begin with I truly do not understand. Progressive thought process is totalitarian in nature and the gnomes that are supporting this organization are only focused on getting theirs (healthcare) at the expense of the country.

Vote Vets has strong ties to the DNC. Don’t believe them. Republicans are traditional pro-military, as opposed to Clinton-Obama.

Because according to the British, NATO, and US intelligence agencies (amongst others) — over 90% of the foiled terrorist attacks since 9/11 have been/were planned along the Pakistani-Afghan border. The region is still a swamp and training ground for terrorism — hence — you won’t find many POTUS’s who will not want to keep a presence (and a big eyeball) on the region of the world. The last time terrorism threats were neglected, we lost the twin towers — and no POTUS wants something like that happening on their watch.

if i thought spec ops were a panacea, then i would have indicated their presence would result in all problems solved and a great political victory out of the Afhanistan war, but i didn’t, did i? expand your last statement to all forces in general are heavily dependent on, and even incapable of accomplishing missons without, reachback capabilties.

i don’t blindly support military industrial warfare on big boy toys. i totally agree with you that we need to stop funding failed programs. we need to properly conceive & execute programs. thing is, we have glaring gaps in readiness & modernization, resulting in greater risks to national secuity. cuts to the DoD top line exacerbate those risks. for this reason, as well as due to inflation, i think we need a flat or slightly increasing DoD top line, and step up with a zero tolerance policy for waste. We could make every effort to make fair & balanced cuts across the discretionary program, but that will not address the unsustainable fiscal situation — SS, Medicare, & Medicaid. Only reform in those programs can address the macroeconomic problems caused by those programs.

What’s so confusing about Magic Underwear’s campaign not mentioning Afghanistan? Aren’t you following the craven suck-a– behavior of Daddy Warbucks Romney as he kneels before his Israeli masters in hopes of gaining a foothold with the American jewish vote? Netan-yahoo is mainly concerned with Iran/Syria and Romnuts is at least smart enough to know who controls things in America.
You guys just aren’t reading the right material; James Petras predicted this ages ago. Get with it! You’re looking amateurish as hell.

What makes you think that just keeping the Navy out there is saving money? Do you realize how much is cost to keep a carrier and its air group on station? Not to mention the many support ships required.

This is simple enough: look at Ryan’s voting record w/r/t military (BOOT FRIENDLY) issues.

What? Really? Are you seriously going to claim that if Obama had military deferments, his political base (the people who elected him) would have not voted for him? If so, you, Sir, are an idiot.
Do you even remember 2008? (Do you remember the anti-war demonstrations, the “Bush lied, people died” posters, etc? I do.) Or has selective amnesia set in? His supporter knew that he did not support the military, and they didn’t care. They also knew that his VP candidate, Joe Biden, had not four, but FIVE deferments, and that didn’t bother them either. So to claim that if Obama had deferments he would not have been elected is just plain silly.
And please, if you are going to post about double standards, take the time to learn the meaning of the words. A double standard is when one standard is applied differently to different people. Your “birther” and “draft dodger” comparison is a comparison between two different standards. The standard that the president needs to have been born in the US is a standard directly from the US constitution. This has NOTHING to do with deferments or draft dodging. Grow up.

Rent-seeking, Greg?

Bingo!

President Obama’s constituency could care less about military credentials. “Chickenhawk” attacks are leftish wedge issues designed to suppress support from conservative and national security oriented voters, i.e., Republicans, Tea-Partiers, and Reagan Democrats.

While I agree that defense can absorb some cuts, you have to be cognizant that after 10+ years of “conflict” there are many pieces of equipment that need serious maintennce / overhaul. that is a pretty big bill. Taking care of the wounded, veterans, and resetting equipment are thing the poloticians never account for when they put our troops in harm’s way. then they scream about the “delayed” costs.…..

No one has hurt the US veterans and the military worse than this current administration with perhaps the exception of Carter. Paul Ryan has put all the chips on the table. I am amazed that every side is upset they might have to sacrifice a little now to have more later. The body politic is sick in the USA.

Flagrantly untrue. Go and read Paul Rickoff’s many editorials w/r/t veteran affairs on military​.com. Obama did more for veterans in his first 6 months than G W Bush did in two full terms in office. It is possible you are confusing “support for the military” with the acquisition of weapons systems — which is support for the military industrial complex (and in many cases: simple corporate welfare). But the Bush Administration went to many lengths to take combat pay away from those serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, severely reduce funds to the VA just when our returning veterans and soldiers would be needing them, let alone trying to cut important research programs like the Army’s Brain Damage Research project (it took the evil democrats to shame the republicans into restoring funding for all of these).

I’ve done a lot of volunteer work for disabled vets during the Bush years when they consistently tried to take their benefits away — and it wasn’t pretty and have a lot of direct personal experience on the subject.

Do your homework before spewing nonsense. And BTW — it wasn’t the democrats that destroyed the economy of the USA and left behind a military at its lowest state of readiness since Viet Nam — those credits go to the Bush Administration. Go and read the CBO report and the JCS readiness reports of 2009 for details.

First folks I am not a republican, democrat, tea party or independent. I am an AMERICAN. I will vote across the board, democrat, republican and independent. The economy is not like we would like it to be. The unemployment rate has stagnated. We need some changes. First of all we need to understand that, for existing business, the key is consumers. If consumers don’t buy the products of an existing business the business will go under. New businesses will rely on how deep is the pocket before they gain consumers.

We need to deveop a plan that puts more money in the consumers pocket, Not the multi millionares. Looking at the spirit of the wealthy I am afraid that they would like our great country to reflect 1600’s England. In other words a Serfdom.

The Defense Department should not be raped and the money taken to the point of an ineffective defense of out nation. I remember disembarking from the USS Ticonderoga and having rocks and paint balls thrown at our trucks. All of the time the crowd hollering “baby killer” and other revolting chants. Is that what our great nation is headed towards with support from the wealthy?

I think the american serviceman instinctively knows that Romney is a class above them and that nobless oblige means they will be taken care of.

Could be, the guy pays so little tax himself it’s no skin off his back if he starts spending government money like a Republican. But on the other hand he’s just as likely to sell dead veteren’s body parts to the Chinese as part of an government asset stripping exercise.

Whenever I see a homeless vetern I always ask the same question — “did they vote for Reagan or Bush” and soon Romney. If they say yes I dont give them anything because I know they would want me to keep the dollar.

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Partisan drivel, something we definitely have more than enough of in this country.

<Could be, the guy pays so little tax himself>

Really? Millions of dollars in taxes paid is “so little” when over 50% of people pay ZERO

Fred, better pick a side, friend. If you keep voting “for the man” without considering the objectives of the two opposing teams, you’re just a Pushmi-Pullyu.

Great point, OldSWO!

So what’s the plan? You realize the multi millionaires become such by typically selling ‘stuff’ to consumers? Pray tell if you want to put money in the pockets of the consumers, and you aren’t happy about unemployment, how do you make this all happen if you take money from the multi millionaires?

I am willing to bet that you are not a vet

If you check befor makeing this statement you find this adminstration more then any other president.….

Romney has further shown his disdain for the military and especially, veterans, with his choice of Ryan. This was a bad choice for Romney and an even worst choice for America. But what can you expect from a tax and draft dodging liar like Romney?

Nonsense, OldRetired. Nonsense. Those “figures” are straight out of the Fox lie-book.

No they aren’t. They are accurate if you are referring to federal income tax revenue collections.

You speak the truth. Be careful, alot of goobers on the forum…

Nonsense.

Draft dodging, are you serious? A 16 trillion dollar debt, floundering economy and the middle east teetering on the brink of two more wars we might get involved in and you make a statement like that, good grief.

Show us what’s in the “foreign exchange students college records”! Why are they sealed?

You realise that Clinton had politicans from washington to california to canada trying to keep him out of vietnam?

Oh wait thats not in the liberal douche prepbag.

Really i dont give a dang if he did or not thats not why im voting. Im voting for what he is now and what we need.

Ryan has gotten famous for complete fiscal irresponsibility, nothing more. You are advocating for someone that really does not have the average American’s interest at heart. He is wrong for America as well as Romney, the draft and tax dodging liar.

How has he shown his disrespect? Please elaborate.

Was it Ryans acceptance on the USS Wisconnsin?
Or is it his stance on increasing the budget of the DoD?

Hey why dont ya tell me about how obama is asking veterains to pay more and more for their insurance while illegal immigrant and welfare queens get FREE better healthcare and money????

I’m for the guy who proposes drastic cuts in spending and limits the size of the federal government. I don’t need a vet in office to do that.

You’re just uneducated. Despite what you may or may not think, only 25% of the troops in nam were drafted. Also, when romney was 19 he went to France on a church mission and got into a very bad car accident that took him several years to recover. When he did he went to Harvard and duel majored in law and business, graduated in the top 5% of his class, joined private equity and made hundreds of millions of dollars.

It’s Obama Truth Drones like yourself that shows continue disdain to successful people, you have the unmitigated stupidity of your masters.

I guess if we mistakenly vote for Mitt/Ryan in November 2012, our troops won’t come home soon enough plus we might get in other wars too.

I never said whether he was the right man for the job. I said he was famous. Ryan has name recognition for being involved in the debt-ceiling debates and various budget measures since the mid-term elections. Since you brought it up, Romney pays taxes. He may not pay as much as some would like, but he has not committed any crimes. There are plenty of officials in the Executive and Legislative branches of our government who can’t say the same about their tax returns. As far as draft dodging, both Romney and Biden took draft deferments during Vietnam.

Let me get this straight. Vets support the serial draft dodger Mitt to lead our military because his vice president wants to increase the budget to get more Americans killed. The President believes in a strong military, but not a stupid one.

So, if not Ryan then who would have been the one to save DOD? I think unloading a lot of expen$ive private contractors is one way to save $$$$
I can remember when we had to post a sentry to protect our aircraft from being cannibalized due to parts that were never available.
THAT sticks in my mind.….….….…and how we worked.
So, there is a lot of waste but maybe it is not out in the fleet, okay I was Navy, because I remember how it was growing up as a Navy brat and then later on active duty.….….….there were basically NO frills anywhere I could see

Do you have anything constructive to say without being inflammatory and partisan, because we get plenty of that from both sides of the pre school referred to as Washington DC.

If you think this President believes in a strong Military, I’d really hate to see what you think a Weak Military is by your standards. Considering what he has done in the last 3 1/2 years, starting with his Russian Nuclear Treaty, the Missile Defense system etc. etc.

Wow, interesting comments from a group of veterans.

All I can say is, a rising tide floats all boats. I will vote for who I perceive will do the best for the overall economy because that will benefit me and everyone else.

If they’re pro military why did they lie us into 4400 dead troops in Iraq?

Consider two citizens, X and Y, in the same free market. X has money, while Y is in debt. Why? If you read the DNC talking points, it’s because X somehow cheated, and took Y’s money. In reality, X created something of value (a product or service) that he sold to Y.
Who’s ahead in this game? The class warfare folks would have us believe X is, because X has money, and poor Y has been taken advantage of. In reality, each traded something he had for something he wanted more. If anything, Y is ahead. X traded real items for money — promissory notes that he MIGHT be able to cash in for something of value in the future. Meanwhile, Y traded future promises for actual value now.
How do we stop this “trade imbalance”, and prevent X from getting all the money, while Y ends up with all the stuff? We don’t. The “imbalance” will correct itself. Soon, X will tire of trading valuables to Y, with nothing but promissory notes in return, and X will cash in those notes for something of real value (a service or product) from Y. And Y will be forced to produce something of real value, in exchange for the real value items he has consumed.

Your proposed solution (and Obama’s) is to take money from X (“the millionaires”) and give it to Y (“the consumers”). This is a short-sighted short-term solution that not only doesn’t solve the problem, but actually makes it worse. The real “problem” (if indeed there is one) is that Y is consuming more than he produces. X, meanwhile, is accumulating wealth by producing more than he consumes, which is a good thing. Taking money from X and giving it to Y is not only a gross injustice (breaking the promises made to X when he sold his goods for said promissory notes) but it actually makes the problem worse!! Consider this: X, who was over-producing and under-consuming, is now forced to produce even more and consume less, in order cover his “involuntary wealth redistribution” losses. Meanwhile, Y, who was over-consuming and under-producing, is given a wad of cash, and encouraged to consume even more, with no increase in production! Instead of fixing the imbalance, you have just made it worse!!

Paul Ryan has the Gift of Lying and making it sound like the truth.

When is guantanamo closing?

I just can’t imagine why Jon Soltz, head of VoteVets​.org is against Paul Ryan. Could it be because VoteVets​.org is a front for VoteVets Political Action Committee which is a Democrat supporting PAC. Makes me want to believe anything they have to say… NOT!!! They claim to be the largest progressive group of veterans in America. That is read as communist leaning trash!

Don’t tell the public that you are independent thinking. You are an attack dog for the Democrats. And as a veteran, you sure as hell don’t represent me. The sooner the Obamanation is voted out and dissolved, the better off this country and our defense will be.

The debt and the Democrats that foster the welfare state are as big a threat to this country as any enemy military..

Nicely stated.… I can’t believe that DOD Buzz doesn’t do a better job of fact checking the sources and accurately set out the political affiliation of such hacks as VoteVets​.org and its source of funding VoteVets Political Action Committee. Shame on DOD Buzz.

While talking about the non military credentials of the Pres/VP and candidates the author failed to mention Joe Biden’s FIVE deferements? Hmmmmm..

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! about time somebody pointed it out

Ray, you do know that Biden has FIVE deferments? What’s that about a free pass?

You are an independent by your follow up: I am an AMERICAN. I will vote across the board, democrat, republican and independent.

You only mentioned intel and spec ops. Don’t ask me to expand when you didn’t in the first place huh?

The SOF truth #5 is verbatim from doctrine.

Boomer — The Constitution doesn’t make roads a fed responsibility. It talks about regulating interstate commerce. Roads are nice they just don’t equate to defense or the post office in the constitution. Agree on everything else,

You know I just read the quotes these guys put in here supporting this. Romney/Ryan ticket and laugh. If they would just understand what you wrote maybe we could get somewhere. Supporting a guy who using our money to fight other countries to protect his interest . He won’t pay taxes and what sad about the whole thing is he’s not going have insurance are compensation for them when they come back injured and out of their minds because Ryan going to cut it.. Oh yes that’s not important because he promised since he became VP candidate to buy more tanks…get you card board boxes loaded and ready .…it called Romney/Ryan housing plan for the vets.…

You’re being too literal. It doesnt say everyone pays the same rate. It means if you make this much you pay this % and so forth. A graduated tax scale is constitutional.

Money not spent on defense will be spent in the civlian sector. Defense will lose jobs but consumers (taxpayers) will gain. Defense jobs are overpriced (whether in the government or by the defense companies). I expect more jobs to be created in the private sector than lost in the defense sector.

1.4 million men and women under arms and another 860,000 in Guard and Reserves. To fight maybe 10,000 insurgents. Really! 160,000 troops in Iraq and we still didn’t win. We just armed two sides in a religious civil war. 140,000 troops in Afghanistan and we’re getting kicked out of there too (just like the Brits and Russians). Time to stop the Pentagon entitlement/welfare program perpetual motion machine.

If you believe that the VFW is “apolitical,You are out of touch with reality.

You are so right…the military uses a lot of high price contractors.….we also call them manufactures that make the military equipment needed to fight a battle that we send our young men and women to do.
Who sends them…the people in Washington DC of which most of them have never served in battle nor have anyone of their sons and daughters…
I spent 22 years in the AF as a Manpower/Management Superintendant.…I also never really noticed a lot of excess but in most cases I saw a hard working team of dedicated people that were giving their all to defend a population that in most part just doesn’t give a damn as long as they don’t have their life disturbed.

I think among other things, he will hold the pentagon’s feet to the fireto cut some of the fat in the military, the outfit I worked in (in the late 70’s) had a budgett of 50,000 gallons of aviation fuel a month.…great right? WE HAD NO PLANES! I have yet to hear of one commanding officer who gave back any “surplus” at the end of the fiscal year, they always found SOMETHING to spend it on.…also I would imagine he will hold the military/industrial complex to a higher standard as well, bout time at least ONE of their projects came in at the level of the bid they submitted… cost overruns kill the defense budget no matter HOW great the end products are, and we know some are real stinkers…LCS, DDG 1000, are ones that come to mind.…

Bingo on nicely stated.…this web site hurts itself letting hacks like this tell one side of the story without fact checking.

Amen brother amen. These chickenhawks like M. R. who could not be bothered to suit up 1 of his 5 (f-i-v-e) sons, see our troops as cannonfodder for their lunatic plans.

Recon forever

Most of your 53% who don’t pay INCOME taxes don’t make enough money to even have to file. They still pay payroll taxes, sales taxes, etc. Maybe you’re interpiting it wrongly.

That is great that Mr. Hoffman wants to rag on the Republicans. It is only conjecture what the Republicans will do. What is not a mystery is what Obama, who some call “black Jesus”, is doing to the Military. He is robbing the Military, and for that matter our involvement in Space, only to pay for his flaming Socialist programs. Remember, dead men vote Democrat.

So many misconceptions and innuendos here. Interesting comments, but apparently based on conjecture and not observation. You want more drones and space probes and no help for foreclosures and our deteriorating infrastucture here on earth? Better look closely at the Repub agenda–protect the top 1% and screw the poor and disadvantaged…now anybody could get behind that!

to establish post offices and post roads — which equates to interstates today.(section 8 of article 1)

get rid of Jon, he a total piece to active/retired ops community.….….either that or he one of many kiss troops that forgot they were soldiers,sailors, airmen.……Follow the winner with Romney/Ryan before 1/2 the military retires or “QUITS”.….…..we need a CNC to Lead not act like he “walks on water”.….all frogs know that the real bs.

Article 1 section 8. The congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, impost and exercise, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the united states: but all duties, impost and exercises shall be uniform throughout the United States.
To me it sounds like all federal taxes are to be the same for everyone regardless of stature, equal rights and justice for all and such. A flat 10% income tax which incorporates SS and medicare would be sufficient if everyone pays and all the freebies to non citizens go away along with redundant fed organizations.

even if they only make $100.00 a week and pay a 10% tax for income SS and med ($10.00 x a couple million folks is a big chunk of change every week) it would make a big difference in our budget. Fact is that if every one payed into the system equaly other tax avenues could be illiminated. with a flat tax there are no deductions or write offs for property, vacation homes, boats and planes or nothing you pay 10% on your take home period.

Sounds like this article was written by a true Obamanite. It put the editors of this on-line pub in direct suspicion of being liberals, political and social. What a bunch of garbage!

Well, you’re wrong. What it means is the rates will be uniform, as in someone in VA won’t pay more than someone in NY. It isn’t a green light to a flat tax whatever you may think.

Good point but you are taking it too far (just like our gov’t has). “Post roads” are mentioned in the constitution but their purpose was always to primarily move mail. As with many things it’s been an incremental growth of gov’t to today’s expectation that the federal gov’t is responsible for an interstate network. There are no supreme court findings/interpretations that state it’s the fed gov’ts responsibility. No doubt roads are a good thing and there have been numerous laws passed in our history to create roads but the enumerated power of the Fed Gov’t to build “roads” is a gross expansion of the constitution just like the creation of the Dep’t of Education. http://​www​.fas​.org/​s​g​p​/​c​r​s​/​m​i​s​c​/​R​4​0​4​3​1​.​pdf p4 describes the incremental growth of federal involvement in highway construction throughout our history.

Sure, because with the housing industry teetering on the brink of a recovery lets kick it back over the cliff by eliminating the mortgage deduction, wise fiscal policy.

You know that people, regardless of how little income, already are paying 7.65% into FICA as it is correct? Granted FICA caps at like $107ish-k I think, but honestly most of the 1%ers make their money off capital gains and not earned income, so FICA never comes into play.

I think Boomer has a point on taxes. If one can graduate taxes or “discriminate” because you have more money why can’t the gov’t charge higher taxes for other individual criteria. There’s also the equal protection clause aspect.

A graduated tax or progressive tax is a plank of the communist manifesto. That alone is reason enough to look at it very critically. We’ve been very studious in our history to eliminate descrimination (voting rights, slavery, women’s suffrage, civil rights) except in the area of taxes. That’s food for thought…

Boomer doesn’t know what he is talking about. His 10% number speaks to that because it isn’t even remotely close to enough money. If you use the GDP, and there isn’t any bigger # to use, a 10% across the board tax in the USA at the federal level would generate $1.6 trillion annually. To just the pay the interest on the debt and keep defense at current levels would cost $1.2 trillion. That means he plans on paying for everything else with $400 billion. That is a myth.

To just replace the current revenue collections of the existing federal government you need to come up with about $2.8 trillion. If you spent just that you’d be talking about a one year budget cut in excess of $1 trillion. That would mean the tax rate would have to be roughly 28%, and again that means you have to come up with over $1 trillion in cuts to just get there.

I don’t have an issue with tax reform, but a flat 10% to replace everything is not even remotely feasible. Also your equal protection argument is false, because the if the rate is applied to everyone the same it is equal. To even put forth the notion that someone who is wealthy is somehow discriminated against in the USA is fairly disgusting. One need look no further than the likes of OJ and LiLo and all the other human celebrity trash that is clearly not held to the same standard as the common man in this nation to repudiate that laugh of an assertion.

Oh, and did I say to replace the current revenue collections? That was just general revenues, income tax, capital gains, corporate income tax, tarriffs, fees etc. That doesn’t even count FICA. If you want to add FICA in that’s another $1 trillion plus annually. So explain to me how much fun a flat 40% federal tax would be? Oh, and then of course state income tax, local property tax, gas tax, sales tax. How unfair is that graduated system again?

is your second utterance a command or a question? lets assume it is a question. please answer. if it gives you pleasure let me adjust my initial statement from “intel & special ops” to “politically & fiscally sustainable light footprint” and let the joint warfighting jedi’s sort out the details. still nothing i’ve stated could be fairly construed to believe that i believe sof are a panacea. the point is we need to spread the resources across the wider scope of national security reqts. preventing afghanistan from becoming a terror haven should merit no greater commitment than preventing yemen, somalia, phillipines, etc. and we need to fix other problems in readiness & modernization that keep getting put off because of the disproportionate commitment to afghanistan.

hardly 50%, closer to 100% of romneys outsourced jobs pay zero american taxes.

the mortgage deduction contributed & continues to tribute to the housing bubble by subsidizing the housing industry a the expense of the rental industry. how wise fiscal policy is that? the problem with america is that politicians have been dispensing out favors like political crack. now people are so addicted that any remedies that require short term sacrifice for long term benefit is met with hostility & charges of racism by one party against the other. the economy needs to be normalized, where failure is not rewarded and people can enjoy the fruits of their labors. we will not have consistent, stable growth in a non-normalized economy.

if we could cut taxes and take the political & regulatory shackles off the economy & the economy could grow to $28T, then 10% tax would result in the required revenue. or you could cut the waste in the federal budget and get to the required tax revenue in less time.

WE CANNOT GET OUR TROOPS HOME YET BECAUSE THE PRIVATE COMPANIES HAVEN’T GOTTEN ALL THE MINERALS THEY WANT YET !

THE WAR IN AFGANISTAN HAS BEEN ABOUT TRYING OUT NEW WEAPONS , GETTING EMERALDS , BUT ESPECIALLY FOR GETTING LITHIUM ! THERE ARE HUGE DEPOSITS OF LITHIUM IN AFGANISTAN ! AND CERTAIN AMERICAN COMPANIES WANT IT !

WE NEED THE THOSE THINGS MENTIONED ABOVE ! THE FREEMASONS CONTROL THE ITEMS ! AND IT TAKES NATO LIVES TO GET THEM !

Having served in Afgan —–I agree completley————Why are we there –Our mission there in 2001 was to get BinLadin —-and Stop Alquida training camps –Now its nation building Afgan —— Bin Ladin is dead time to go home .Karsi is playing us like a cheap fiddle and sucking billions outa the USA and laughing all the way to the bank

get your demo head out of your ass and see the real world

are you a true native son or a sob

For somebody that claim to think about the Military, they(rumney/ryan) sure don’t like to talk about em, in fact, they try to avoid it all together. The republicans use to make it a point to talk about the military, and they usually hit the democrats on National Defence, but not this election, When you get bin laden(enemy #1), theres not a whole lot you can say about the President. The thing is, this President has done more for the Military and veterans, and their families, than most repub Presidents, r and r know that, thats why they are hush hush on the subject. Facts are facts, and these facts are a matter of record. When you avoid talking your supposedly strongest subject, when you are trying to unseat a President, you usually are sucking hind t-ts. And when you have to lie and force yourself to hate somebody, you either have a mental problem, or.…..well you’re just mental.

Critisizing Ryan for not speaking about Afghanistan? Really? He’s a bad canidate because he doesn’t speak about a specific topic ine ONE interview? I think someone is just needing something to write about because they can’t think of anything else.

I am holding my breath come November. I don’t know who is the better choice now. Ryan scares the hell out of me. Saying he wants to cut a lot from military spending and weaken the US defense. We will be in DEEP shit if that happens. I wish Romney had a better choice. We need someone who has military in there blood and understand what we are up against. Don’t weaken our country. Bring it back..and get our brothers and sisters back from Afganastan..the shit hole in this world.

Politco is a liberal shill. And you expected what from them? Both Ryan and Romney have been outspoken on the need for a strong national defense.

You should really inform yourself.

The issue is about Paul Ryan, not Jon Sloltz. This is a typical tactic, shifting the focus on something other than the issue at hand. Cuts are cuts, retention is retention, let’s stick to the issue and stop deflecting the focus.
As for PACs, The conservative element must live in bulletproof glass houses, or they just have big doors, (to throw stones that big)

I’ve dropped out of all but one veterans group because they seemed to be built around the concept, “Gimme!”.

I agree Geoff. Its done. Can’t you guys see how bad things are here? Damn man, unreal.

Wat a joke. You guys want the VA privatized? These 2 will sock us real good but no, you guys just don’t see it.

Attack based on crap you pulled out of thin air while the “pro-military” Obama/Biden team has already cut defense by $500B with the coming sequester hanging over our heads like a sword of damocles ready to lop off another $500B.

And the Obama/Biden team has ALREADY substantially raised the costs charged to retired military for medical coverage. If you ever served, you know that the promise for DECADES was that we would get free healthcare FOR LIFE. Thanks Obama… we really don’t need that heathcare that you promised us. I’d much rather PAY for mine and let you give free birthcontrol to every woman in America with the money.

Major Ray yes. The voice of reason. You are correct. Why don’t others see it?

Actually, Obama has done more TO the military and retirees than any president in memory.
Who is raising Tricare fees when medical care for retirees was promised to be FREE?
Who is kicking retirees out of military hospitals even when there is space avaialbe?
Who is trying to redefine military retirement so that servicemembers will serve 20 years and NOT retire with a pension?
OBAMA!

STemp, you can be disgusted all you like, but it IS discrimination to treat one group of people differently than another based on a group they belong to. “DISCRIIMINATION: Treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit…” http://​dictionary​.reference​.com/​b​r​o​w​s​e​/​d​i​s​c​r​i​m​ina

Personally I prefer a consumption tax…you will be taxed on what you buy, not what you earn. Poor folk who can’t or don’t buy so much will pay less, and those who can buy more will pay more. This will also reign in those who get their money illegally or “under the table” to also pay “their fair share”.

Ryan is not and has not said he wants to cut military spending. Obama/Biden have already cut 500B from the DoD budget and their sequester with 500B more in cuts is scheduled to kick in in January

VoteVets​.org is a leftist group that isn’t worth a mention in an article such as this. As far as benefits go, it doesn’t matter how hard we lobby, whine, cry or threaten. They MUST go away completely unless someone with guts reduces them slowly. We are 16 TRILLION in debt. There is NO money. Those of us who were not combat damaged must give up what we’ve been promised so that our less fortunate brothers can benefit from what’s left. And there won’t be much left.

majrOd if you think the VFW is apolitical you have been living in the Newt Moon Colonies without any news from earth.The VFW has become an arm of the far right wing radicals. I am a Life Member of the VFW but have stopped attending meetings because as I an Independent American they have gone off the cliff supporting only far right wingers. The GOP has never supported the military, they only want them to fight their needless wars, get troops killed and help their defense contractors get richer. I am a 100% Disabled Vet that suffers everyday from the injuries from my days in the military so I think I can speak about how the VFW has lost it’s way.the VFW is now just another right wing political group that has forgotten the Vets that is in their name.

You’ll notice nobody had mentioned the word “victory”. Why engage in any war, why expend the blood and resources, if your only objective is to quit?

The GOP has never been or will it ever be pro-military, they only view the military as a means to make their rich friends richer. The now Tea Bagger Controlled Republicans start all of their needless wars and then they leave the mess for Dems. to clean up. VoteVets might be a left leaning group but the VFW lies about who they really are,just another arm of the far right wing radicals. I retired in 1982 and back in those days almost all troops were Americans and for the life of me I can’t figure out what went wrong and now all you hear is the military supports the right wing, that only use the troops to make money,they could care less how many are killed or injuried.

We don’t belong in Afghanistan (or Iraq) and did. The big companies like Lockheed, etc love war and keep
pressing “new miliary toys” like the F-22 on the taxpayer. I don’t know why the F-16 cannot compete with
the Taliban’s Air Force. Romney (and his kids ) say they love American but Romeny dodged the draft
for five years and never wore the uniform of the U.S. His children (boys) also have never worn the uniform
of their country. If the military want new (and expensive) military toys — let them hold a cake sale. The
taxpayer is sick and tired of policing the world! I was in the military for 30 years and saw all the waste
that goes on. Chief A (E-9) 30 year vet.

yes give more $$$$$$$$$$ to large corporations like blackwater
stock doubles while twice as many of our American fighting people die at the same time
these large corporations profit from war
then complain & don’t pay taxes necessary to care for the wounded Veterans

Stop fighting over politicians! Why do any of you comment on a group of people that do not ever have your best interest in mind? They all thank us for our service and say how much we mean to this country. Both sides are using the military and veterans. When a contingent of Congressman pop into Afghanistan or Iraq, it’s not because they care, they do it for the photo op and the tax break for being in a war zone. They all talk tough to appease us but they don’t care about us. Stop trying to argue one party’s policies over another, better yet stop trying to sell the rest of us on your beliefs which stem from your own held beliefs. It’s sad that so many people are showing how racist this country still is!

PolicyWonk first these people must have the ability to read and comprend the truth and not just listen to the crap these radicals tell them they can think. Being a 100% Disabled Vet that retired in 1982 I’ve lived through GOP and Democrat administrations and I can tell you the GOP has been the worse for vets. Ike put it the best beware of the Military Industrial Complex and starting with Reagan the republicans have done just what Ike said we should be afraid of. Bush I did something right by chasing the Iraqs out of Kuwait and then the troops came home no loss of life. Reagan and Dubya on the other hand did so many illegal attacks on sovereign nations that cost American lives and so much wasted billions of dollars that we didn’t have. It makes my blood boil when I hear the people defend what the GOP has done to America.

Matt you are so dumb and have no clue what the real truth is,if you think the R&R team will be good for the military and vets you must be living in another world. Romney got 5 deferments and it wasn’t because he was injuried it was because he was a rich coward, and the rich cowards were the only ones not going into the service. The Mormon Church had to change it’s policy on getting waivers for Missionaries getting out of the draft because of Romney’s abuse of their system. So google Romney and see exactly who he is and don’t keep repaeting lie after lie to try and defend him.

How bad was that head injury you received slipping in the shower, if you think this R&R crap it must have been a very bad injury. The Defense Budget has increased every year under Obama .

Mr. Hoffman
In reference to your article my feelings are that we need to give the new ticket a chance. The current administration has done nothing but degraded our security. Placed our troops in harms way. And possible aided the enemy with the lack of action. No country trust us. Our economy is in a mess. The Presidents solution is the throw more money at stimulus and tax the rich. Yet our returning military have no jobs to come home to or face their families in turmoil.
My vote is on someone that will to something for the economy. I tired of the fear that the Left are putting into our seniors and uneducated people.

2.8 trillion isn’t enough though. I was giving a freebie on the amount needed to be cut from this years budget. No more freebies. The current budget is in excess of $4 trillion and that’s the general fund. FICA will generate over $1 trillion in revenues. So to just fund government costs at 2012 levels a 10% across the board tax would need to be leveled on a GDP in excess of $50 trillion. That isn’t going to happen. 10% to fund everything the government does, even if you slashed the hell out of the budget, the waste, reduced programs etc is no where near enough money.

In regards to law, which is all that matters, not a generic dictionary definition. Income level is not a protected class. I say again, the whole assertion is a laugh.

The consumption tax is lop sided in favor of the wealthy though. Even the champions of it like Herman Cain acknowledged there had to be some kind leeway for lower income citizens. I will say the fair tax and an accompanying study had a very interesting fact in regards to the corporate income tax and how its elimination could be a huge boon for job creation in this country. To get there though there would have to be some major compromising going on in DC between adults so l plan on monkeys flying out my ass first.

Bullshit. Someone holds the note on the mutli family housing complex and they write that interest off. There is a reason they want people buying homes, both tangible and intangible, but at the end of the day if favoring multi housing construction over single family dwellings was a boon, the economy should have been on fire the last few years as multi family housing starts were up. The markets haven’t been on fire.

Ever try looking at the proposed FY13 budget? It is being reviewed and debated now. Yuo might want to look at it.

Also, the ENTIRE budget, base plus OCO has not gone up under Obama but I doubt that you have much understanding of how that game has been played

if you have not served, then you should not be allowed to vote.

No, the VFW IS apolitical unless you consider a strong defense and taking care of vets a far right position. (there’s something to be said for that perspective)

I’m not the one out of touch with reality guy.

BTW, 70% disabled vet (w/CIB) that could qualify for 100% but then would have to stop working so I’m “qualified to speak” also.

Nice try Robert Heinlein.

Hoffman next time try to write using credible organizations that actually represent vets not some hack shill front for the socialist, marxist bring America down DNC.

VoteVets​.org is a left-wing liberal political action committee and 501c tax-exempt organization that promotes progressive politics, especially with regard to U.S. foreign policy; specifically, military affairs. A front group for the Democrat Party, it was formed in 2006 over opposition to President George W. Bush policy in Iraq. Their stated mission reads, “which primarily helps elect Iraq and Afghanistan war veteran candidates and educates about veterans and military issues aimed at influencing the outcome of the next election.”

Vote Vets Continued

[1] VoteVets operates the Vote Vets Action Fund. They want the world and the IRS to believe these are two separate and distinct organizations. VoteVets is immersed in the left-wing sphere of influence such as the Americans Against Escalation in Iraq coalition.

[2] Associations and primary fundraisers include Democrats the DCCC, AFL-CIO and SEIU labor unions, the Center for American Progress, MoveOn​.org, Media Matters for America, many other Shadow party/George Soros backed organizations such as democratic donors and operatives Fund for America, run by John Podesta.

[3] Co-Founder and Chairman Jon Soltz, an Iraq War veteran, became involved in politics by volunteering for Massachusetts Senator John Kerry’s failed presidential bid in 2004. VoteVets claims 95,000 members.

Romney disdain for the military???? What are you smoking?

What on Gods green earth do you think this radical marxist, bring down America fluke of President has for the military. Total and complete utter distain for the military and everything American of which he is so foreign to. Everytime this poor excuse for an American President speaks he degrades everything America stands for.

You have got to NOT be paying attention to all the info out there and the writings of our founders OR you are the enemy of American patriots.

So, while it’s verboten to criticise the Pres because he’s black, it’s OK for you to insult Romney’s religion?

That is so right on and I would take it further and implement the fair tax but then how could the anti– founding father party (DEMOCRATS) buy votes????????

Yes, we have read Ayn Rand. Apparently you haven’t. So before you show your stupidity with remarks like “She supports NO taxes on the rich”, perhaps you should actually take the time to read her writings, instead of spouting off like you know what you are talking about. (Not that any of us were fooled.)

Oh, and by the way, she can’t support any tax policies — she’s dead, you moron!

i agree with you that a 10% flat tax would not possible ovenight. you have to crawl before you can walk and then run. Using methadone can be an appropriate treatment to treat heroin addiction. Lowering & flattening taxes is an appropriate treatment for the federal govt’s addicition to spending. Taxes should be lowered and flattened through a gradual process to balance the budget as the economy grows to $50T or more. You could also run up the national debt. Japan is leveraged at 230% of GDP and they enjoy a decent standard of living after all. not saying that is an ideal solution, but sometimes you do have to borrow if you want to grow yourself into a better future.

you’re not making sense. a rental doesn’t have to be a multi-family housing complex for one thing. another thing, just because someone writes off interest on a rental unit, does not provide an incentive for the individual renter. The govt overwhelmingly subsidizes the “home ownership” market, resulting in many Americans being enslaved ot their 30 year loans, vs the rental market. your first statement on “the housing industry teetering on the brink of a recovery” is also fallacious. There are multiple housing markets, some are doing quite well. There are mixed signals, winners & losers, which is to be expected, even cherished, in a free society where people make choices, good and bad.

I don’t have issues with ta reform in and of itself but it isn’t a cure to the problem in my opinion. The issue isn’t that the federal government can’t collect revenues, they do that just fine. It’s deficit spending that is the issue and that really doesn’t have anything to do with the method in which revenue is collected.

I don’t see any kind of major tax reform possible if the Congress can’t even work up enough bipartisanship for a budget. Also if there was one thing to be done to taxes I would choose the elimination of corporate income tax. More or less the dumbest tax there is.

I am no flag waver for Romney and the GOP but I certainly don’t hear any kind of fiscal discipline talk from the Democrats. Reality is though this shaping up to be Obama’s election to lose, the GOP will easily maintain the House, and the Democrats have a slight advantage in holding the Senate. So I would expect four more years that look much like the last four as the most likely outcome in Nov.

Someone being able to write off interest on the construction of a rental property has alot to do whether or not many get built at all. My point is elimination of the mortgage deduction would be a big bucket of cold water on the construction industry as a whole, regardless of whether units are built for single family dwellings or multi family housing.

to be commander-in-chief is benefited by having military experience. the yahoo’s in the white house present and the yet to be seen need to understand the military commitment and the veteran! Get our troops out of that desert and back home — viet nam proved you can’t fight a political/religious war with guns — the U.S.S.R. tried Afghanistan and they went broke and disappeared as a world power. Are we next due to the politicians foolishness? those people don’t care about America or democracy, just our money!

i’m sensitive to the risk of radical change. however, think about this. if we normalized the economy and stopped rewarding mistakes and bad investment, people would have to reallocate their efforts towards productive endeavors. or we could keep on subsidizing failed housing projects.

Come on vets, the real truth is that either polictical party really cares about how many lives are given and the long-term consequences. If politicians really cared they would vote for term limits, non-lobbying, and for those of us whom have the displeasure of receiving little or non-assistance from the VA, well either eliminate it or issue vets cards for medical care in any facility. I have been endeavoring to receive VA compensation for well over 30 years (I receive 30 percent) and I am completely disabled. So, what do we do? Unite and fight just like we did back in the day. This nation which so many have given their all for is based upon “We The People.“
If we pause and ignore ‘the system’ it will become much worse.
God bless all of you! You and I earned the right to unite.

“You guys just aren’t reading the right material” Really? The only way you could have your point of view is to make sure you read only one source. You would probably go into a Chevy dealer and ask for Ford parts and after being told they have no Ford parts you would proclaim to the world that Ford does not exist. Keep visiting your sources to make sure you are not actually getting any facts as facts would really confuse you.

Temp — A tax rate is not “uniform” if it discrininates based on income. That is not “fair”. Should we grade smarter people’s tests harder because they are smarter?

You can argue the percentage. Have fun. “Long live the proletariat.”

I know if EVERYONE had skin in the game there’d be a lot more motivation to be frugal and responsible. That’s human nature.

Was Ryan ASKED about Afghanistan???? Why would he offer up an opinion on Afghanistan if the interviewer didn’t ASK him to???????? What a ridiculous editorial. THIS is journalism? Afghanistan is what it is… there is a withdrawal date, albeit etched in sand (metaphorically speaking), so what’s to talk about? If anything should come out of the mouths of these politicians — it’s that they support what the commanders, who have their boots on the ground there, need for their soldiers. Period. Next?

Actucally he wants to increase it a little.

Consumption has potential also. I like that.

The only fact one must remember is if you tax something you have a suppressive impact on it. Not always bad (e.g. cigarette tax) but something to keep in mind.

The theory behind the consumption tax is by first eliminating corporate state and federal income taxes, FICA taxes, and payroll taxes from the equation would reduce the price of products making whatever the consumption tax is either neutral or lower than the price under the current system. The people behind the FairTax quote something like 20% of a product’s price is embedded taxes.

I really believe Romney is the one running for the top job. I disagree with your observations. Romney has stated he will support the military and not downsize it. Please stop the spin.

I guess obama isn’t slashing military funding.Where did this guy Hoffman come from and why is he politicking
for a known socialist.

Appreciate the kudos folks… :)

I encourage folks to check PW’s facts. You’ll find he lies profusely.

Obama in his first four months wanted vets to use their personal insurance to pay for injuries first before geing authorized their gov’t benefits through the VA.

Bush did not cut combat pay

Carter (who was post Nam) had the lowest readiness.
The CBO and JCS reports DO NOT say the military is at it’s lowest readiness.

Yep, there goes one now!

Five deferments? Oh you mean like Biden?

Maybe, the problem I have with a sole source approach to revenue is you are setting yourself up for some serious bumps if there is a hiccup in that revenue stream. It’s also arriving at a fair #, because even without deficit spending current revenue collections stand at about $4 trillion annually and that isn’t even enough to meet FICAs long term obligations.

You’re all confusing uniform and it’s usage in the Constitution. The Constitution does not say uniform in regards to people, it says uniform across the USA, as in the previous example I made about a person in VA won’t pay more than a person in NY. In addition uniform does not mean single, as in one rate. In regards to discriminating based on income beyond the simple fact that income level is not a recognized status in USC civil rights law, is the simple fact the assertion you all are making is purely subjective. When comparing a rich person to a poor, 10% of barely enough and 10% of more than what you know what to do with are not the same, where is the equity there?

You’re placing a wee bit too much faith that tax reform will result in human nature reform don’t you think?

no i dont. i believe america’s culture is rotten and infected at its base. like a house built on bad foundation, the economy is built on a rotten foundation, a house of cards that hangs by a thread and is nowhere near resilient enough to withstand shocks, such as an energy crisis. tax reform might be one possible way to normalize the economy and the culture, but i have no illusion that it alone would be a cure all. i do believe that a leadership change could create a spark resulting in a virtuous cycle that atleast gets us back into a growing economy with reduced unemployment, which would mean a lot. maybe we could agree that reducing unemployment is a higher priority than reforming the tax code.

Ryan is an outstanding pick! The Fed Govt’s budget needs an AX to cut out all of the bloated fat and Romney picking Ryan proves to me that Romney is serious about doing it. Our military equipment is in bad shape, we need to quit spending money on Afghanistan, Iraq, Europe, Japan, Korea, etc., defense and take all that money and spend it on ours.
“He likes to fire people”, GOOD! I work for the DoD and I see a lot of high paid managers (GS-14 and 15s) that don’t know their heads from the holes in their rear ends. There are also a lot of Generals with the same problem. There’s one good place to start saving money. We can’t get vital equipment that we need desparately, but they can get nice, expensive office furniture and big flat screen TVs for their lavish conference rooms anytime they want.

Thats was last week, next week he’ll say we have to cut the military that he never supported. Thats good old flip flop for you.

Like George W. Bush?

>Ryan is an outstanding pick!

The Democrats certainly think so. They can take a rest now and just run ads where Ryan says he wants to cut Medicade by 80% and Medicare by 30% for the rest of the campaign.

The guy isnt bashful about telling everyone about it so there should be lots of footage avaiable. And Romneys small target I dont stand for anythign campaign just became “but my veep stands for screwing disadvantaged Americans”.

When they fire you and keep on the GS-14s and 15s do come back and let us know — we can all have a good laugh.

There is a good reason why the Republicans dont want to talk about Afghanistan. They are trying to sell another neocon backed adventure to Iran and they dont want anyone reminded about what a disaster the last two were and how their policy there is now cut and run.

the medicaid cuts would come from repealing ACA which a great majority of Americans believe is unConstitutional, as well as block granting the funding to the states, which many states already welcome and the public will support too as they learn more about the policy. the medicare cuts come from implementing premium support policy, which public opinion will support as well as people learn more about it. The public knows both programs are broken. Democrats oppose serious efforts to reform the programs for fiscal responsibility. Regardless of how much Republicans may want to cut the programs, the programs would still be funded at greater amounts than what Liberal Democrats promised the programs would cost when they were implemented. Romney & Ryan want to grow the economy, reduce unemployment, and increase opportunity so that people won’t HAVE to be dependent on Medicaid especially for health care. That’s not quite as horrible as a position as wanting to “screw disadvantaged Americans.” And what exactly is the source for that quote? The Romeny campaign or yourself? You make it pretty clear why we can’t have a mature conversation about politics in this country.

This writer fails to understand that our military is funded by the economy. A strong economy equals a strong military force. Let’s see! when was the last time this writer “PRAYED’ for the troops in Afganistan?

Ooops. Sorry about the name calling. That was unnecessary, and uncalled for. I got caught up in the moment. I apologize and repent. I’ll try to be less mean-spirited.

itfunk is scared that Romney and Ryan are going to take away his welfare check.

The FairTax guys published a couple books and have videos online. If you want to delve into it more its an interesting read. Part of your concern is answered by a projected explosion of economic activity since employers wouldn’t be paying any kind of taxes so they can lower prices and hire more people, foreign capital would flood back into the country (they also want to eliminate capital gains and dividend taxes), and people would have more money to invest on their own towards retirement. They acknowledge there would have to be some kinds of SS and Medicare reforms to go with the new system as well.

For your last statement, it depends on your personal views. Excuse the simplicity here, but “equity” can be interpreted as are you in the “the rich must feel equal pain as the poor” or “don’t take it out on the rich that they were more successful” crowd? I’m a fan of people keeping as much of their own money as they can and it disgusts me how Congress treats all of our paychecks like it’s their money and tax cuts are some kind of giveaway. Also, I hate how the term “fair share” is thrown around. Now there is a subjective term! There is no number or percentage on the books to define what fair share means.

Whatever tax reform is taken, it needs to be stable and predictable. All we ever do is trim around the margins so as not to upset a particular demographic too much. I don’t know a whole bunch of business owners, but the ones I do have hated the tax discussions over the last couple years because all Congress and the President is willing to do is make temporary adjustments that only last a year or two and are really only valuable in scoring election points. How can you run a business and keep people employed if you can’t predict your tax bill one year to the next?

The fact that a big corporation needs almost an infantry division’s worth of people to file their taxes each year should also point to where part of the problem is. The tax code is 80,000 pages long and America spends $400 billion a year in paperwork, man-hours, filing, storage, and other costs just to pay $1.5 trillion in taxes. And according to the IRS, the difference between taxes owed and taxes paid by America is $300 billion a year, a lot of it probably due to the complexity and burden of the system.

Oh absolutely reducing unemployment, reining in deficits, cutting waste are all far more important. If government doesnt control spending how revenues are collected is irrelevant.

My last statement is simply pointing out a discussion over discrimination is essentially a discussion over fairness, which isn’t something that can be quantified. The last statement is just that, whether or not a flat % is fair depends very much on your perspective.

Given the political reality in this nation I think the tax reform you can expect is none.

To your point about stability I do agree with that notion. Business is clearly looking for a long term plan and direction from government. I don’t think they’re even overly concerned with what it is as long as there is one they can plan around. I’ve read pieces where between corporations and banks there is several trillion in liquidity just sitting doing nothing because no one dares use it with the non sense coming out of DC at the moment.

I’ve read a bit. I am always leery when people start saying things like ‘it will work because there will be an explosion in growth and golden eggs from the sky’. It just strikes me of the same notion as ‘we don’t need to bring oxygen and water to mars, we will get it there.….’

True, but they have some numbers to back up their assertions. Bush and Obama have both said the solution is “grow the economy” like it’s just a matter of adding fertilizer to the lawn. Neither of them offered anything that wasn’t already tried and failed. The Fairtax has a few holes in it, but I like that it’s more than just a talking point with years of research behind it.

There was a study they did with it or a poll rather that was interesting. Obviously fair tax people have an iron in the fire but the poll was interesting and it was something to the effect that they interviewed the heads of several hundred major overseas companies. The question put to them was if the USA eliminated the corporate income tax what effect would it have on their investment planning and marketing in America. The majority said they would increase their footprint in the US greatly. 99 said they would immediately relocate their corporate HQ and operations to the US.

Regardless of tax reform that poll in my mind highlighted how chilling corporate income tax is on growth.

i don’t eve think deficits & waste are as much a priority as reducing unemployment and getting the economy into healthy growth mode. I think a growing economy & reduced unemployment cures a lot of ills. the less unemployed people, the less the strain on social services. more jobs mean more revenue, less debt, and stabilization of housing. i can support short term labor intensive stimulus (such as CCC type programs), but i think one of the biggest mistakes Obama made was wasting $$ on bad investments such as Solyndra and high speed rail.

Itfunk is scared of everything, that’s why he posts obnoxious bullshit on the internet, because nobody can beat you up on the playground when the playground is virtual.

Well, yes, that is one way to spin it. And I’m sure the Democrats will try their hardest to spin it that way. Nothing new there.

Of course, the other way to spin it is that the Republicans are the only adults around willing to make the hard choices required to protect America and keep the government solvent, while Democrats would prefer to bankrupt the country in order to protect their constituency of unproductive teet-sucking special interest groups – welfare queens, illegal immigrants, and old ladies on Medicaid. And every day, as the national debt climbs ever higher, under the crushing weight of ever-expanding entitlement programs, (not to mention Obama’s astronomical stimulus packages, which appear to have been dispersed primarily to his constituency), that message becomes an easier sell.

Finally, judging by the panic in the rabid responses of those Obama supporters who post on this web site (“Ryan is awful for America!”, “Ryan is a political hack”, and “Ryan wants NO taxes for the rich!”) I would guess that they are not as happy as they would like you to believe. Sure, they want to tear Romney’s VP choice apart, and they’ve been chomping at the bit to do so, whoever it may be, so they are glad that the cat is out of the bag, so they can start the attack. But Ryan is not as easy a target as they might wish. Because Ryan is known for his honest efforts to actually cut programs, and make the hard unpopular choices required to balance a budget. The Democrats are not. So, every time they point out flaws in his efforts, they also point out the fact that his efforts are better than theirs, because they have made no honest effort at all.

Really?

NOt sure what that means.…Care to elaborate?

I make my own evaluations of people and candidates and care not what guys like Soltz say. More often than not
folks with generic comments have a hidden agenda.

It is plain and simple, any peson on the planet is better that Obama. Those who vote for Obama deserves the agony coming their way.

medicare and medicade need to be cut, it should only be given to US citizens who have paid into it the way it was originaly designed and not given to illegals, or to people coming here and getting citizenship prior to retirement age (who recieve more than those with a work history no less) just so they can go back to other countries and have the US support them the rest of thier lives. The govt needs to be gutted big time starting with dept of energy — dept of ed– TSA — dot — irs — homeland security — commerce — epa. The budget needs to be based on constitutional requirements first, need to stop forieng aid, stop giving grants and loans, stop subsidizing corps and countries.. DoD could cut thier budget big time just by eliminating duplicate offices under so dang many uneccessary commands, (i.e we dont need a program manager and staff at ARDEC — rock Island — TACOM — NAVSEA for the same piece of equipment, put it all in one office and be done with it)

Yet Obama is great for america? Exactly what has he done for this country.. NOTHING. he had an economy crashing and what was his solution. Give more handouts? who is going to pay for this? the american people not the rich. the middle and lower class. I am not a fan of some of romney’s plans for example. cutting funds to Planned parenthood and women’s rights on abortion. WHY IS A MAN choosing what a woman can and cannot do for her body? However, Obama is and has been a Joke for our country. you talk about him showing his tax papers to prove his history about doging taxes… What about Dodging the question are you a US citizen? How is this man president and yet STILL HAS NOT SHOWN PROOF OF HIS BIRTH PLACE? hmmm.

And by too much $$$ I mean $1500. per soldier.. I wonder how much a weapon costs that they are using now? I have priced regular non military rifles in stores and they go from 600 on up. Of course it is cheaper to buy in bulk. However, really HOW MUCH IS WORTH PROTECTING A LIFE?

WHAT I DISAGREE BUDDY! here is one example of what OBAMA did for the military. in the works to destroy Retirement. After serving your country with the possibility of giving your life, one of the Extremely few perks is that upon retirement of serving 20+years is you get your paycheck immedietly for the remainder of your life.. Now he is changing it if it passes, military retirees won’t be able to collect a paycheck until they are 65 like everyother civilian who NEVER PUT THEIR LIFE IN SUCH DANGER. Also already passed, HAZARDOUS DUTY, HOSTILE FIRE, IMMINENT DANGER PAY. a very small perk of 7.50 dollars per day for soldiers/sailors in a “War Zone” once entered would receive it for an entire month even if they were only in for one day. NOW„„„ stands day for day. VERY NICE TO PUT YOUR LIFE IN DANGER FOR THE GOOD OF THE COUNTRY TO HAVE NOTHING IN RETURN. BUT THE RICH AT HOME WHO MAKE THESE DECISIONS SLEEP WELL WITH A PAY RAISE.

this response was for Policy Wonk

I THINK OBAMA SAID IT BEST HIMSELF ” THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED CHANGE!” SO LETS VOTE FOR CHANGE AND GET HIM OUT!

My friend, Romney, Obama, Biden or Ryan are; what were those words used back in the 60s and 70s? Draft dodgers, too rich to serve, etc., etc.
We have never received full accountability for our POWs/MIAs from Nam. Some of them were my ‘Brothers!‘
Republican or Democrat — makes no difference, they all lie!
Take care.

Joe T your comments are just like Ryan and Romney you contradict yourselg several times in your rant. Ryan called the Generals, the people that know what is needed to run the Military Liars and then he back tracked like all of the Tea Bagger Controlled Republicans. I joined the Armed Forces in 1962 and the Republicans have never been friendly to the Armed Forces. These modern day Tea Bagger Controlled Republicans lie at the drop of a hat and will say one thing in the morning in front of one group then say just the opposite in the afternoon in front of another group. If any of you believe for one second that the R&R boys care about the Armed Forces you need to wake up in todays world, they only care about the rich. If by chance the R&R boys get elected the Active and Reserve Troops will have to pack their bags for the trip to Iran My question is what has happened to our Armed Forces Active and Veterans, in my day we wanted people that didn’t lie about us and did things for the benefit of the Armed Forces. Joe T you are correst there is Proof Positive tha Ryan is not Patriotic

Ryan’s budget plan includes the significant reduction of government employees which also consists veterans and retirees who are lifetime members of the military families. He publicly tells everybody that we make too much money compared to the nonmilitary people called “civilians”. Yet he and Romney are telling the American people that they won’t cut the military budget which highly impacts on veterans and retirees. If you are a government employee and plan to vote Republican, then you can soon kiss your job status goodbye.

Biden’s deferments are bad, but Romney protesting for the Vietnam War and then getting deferments is okay?

Exactly! Trillions in war but the Republicans want to cut proposals for veterans and troops? It’s a travesty.

Romney got ONE deferment to go on a religious mission. The man almost died in a car accident which also delayed his entry. He’s lived his life as a devout Mormon. I’ve served with Mormons. They were great soldiers. Unlike so many that game deferments this one was legit and how they were supposed to be used.

There are so many examples of abuse from Clinton, Cheney and Biden this is a ridiculous issue in Romney’s case. The equivalent of doing drugs as a kid which our current Pres has admitted doing copiously in his book.

I’m sorry but isn’t Barrack Obama a Democrat? It is his adminstration that is adding fees to TRICARE — the medical care that was EARNED as part of military retirement. It was promised to be medcial care that was free for life but fees were added and now Obama wants to raise those fees. The adminstration under Obama is cutting over 1 Trillion from the defense budget which has already caused thousands of servicemembers to be dumped out onto the unemployment lines, how is that “taking care” of the troops?

It’s the same promises FDR made with SS and LBJ (was it LBJ? Hmm) with Medicare. “X for life”.

Of course, it stings more when you earn your Tricare in government service and bennies get cut. The cost of healthcare for civilians is also out of control. It’s a ripe opportunity as a nation, or heck as a multi-national group of seven billion on planet earth to devise solutions to the exploding cost of healthcare and the seeming money-gap that is rapidly creating a class of have-health-care and don’t-have-healthcare, without breaking the bank. National healthcare is admittedly quite expensive. All the ideal test cases are small countries with comparatively healthy people. A nation of 300 million people cannot implement the things a small Baltic state can.

One would hope that when the “free market” figures out how to bring down the cost of healthcare without compromising service, these things would trickle back to the military. However, it seems The Market isn’t sure how to do it either…

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