Winning political points with Israeli saber rattling

Winning political points with Israeli saber rattling

A report out of the Middle East says Israel is close to a decision to attack Iran’s nuclear sites, a move that would have serious consequences for the U.S. and, in particular, American troops in the region.

While America’s official stance has been to diplomatically try to dissuade Israel from striking Iran, the language of the re-election campaign often repeats threats of military action as President Obama vies with presumptive GOP candidate Mitt Romney for the donations and votes of Israel’s supporters.

Seemingly lost in the candidate speeches and political actions are the direct consequences to American troops should Israel actually bomb Iran.


“Idle rhetoric around political ideology on the part of some of the candidates puts [our troops] in danger and is not responsible,” said retired Army Gen. John Abizaid, who headed U.S. Central Command from 2003 to 2007. “This is a dangerous … What I would say is you’ve got to be very careful about letting rhetoric get in front of American interests.”

It’s no secret that candidates routinely trumpet their loyalty, fondness or passion for Israel to hold onto or gain contributions and votes from pro-Israel supporters. No better proof of that than the annual American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) gathering in Washington, where lawmakers flock en masse to speak or at least cheer speakers.

GOP presidential candidates lined up to speak at AIPAC’s conference in March, and Obama made his own appearance.

Obama said in March “all options are on the table” to prevent Iran from getting the bomb, including military force. The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported in July that National Security Advisor Tom Donilon privately briefed Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on America’s contingency attack plans. Israel denied it while the U.S. would not comment, the paper reported.

Obama also signed legislation granting Israel another $70 million to develop its Iron Dome missile defense system, an add-on that follows administration pledges not to touch the $3 billion in annual aid to Israel.

Romney, during his recent swing through Israel, broke with official U.S. policy to declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel and said he would “respect” an Israeli decision to unilaterally attack Iran.

He also insulted many Palestinians by attributing the economic disparity between Israel and the occupied territories to “culture” without acknowledging the people have lived under occupation since 1967. All his remarks were widely viewed as calculated to win favor with the more hawkish elements in Israel and the U.S.

Abizaid said campaign talk on the Middle East is superficial and aimed more at scoring political points than providing Americans with a clear picture of what is happening and what is in the national interest.

“A lot of the rhetoric is tied to the security of Israel and the desire to link our own politics to it,” said Abizaid, who teaches at and chairs the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.

The Middle East is a complex region, and religious extremism is not limited to Shiite-dominated Iran, but also among some Sunni groups. Al-Qaida is one, but there are jihadists in Egypt, Mali, Algeria and Nigeria and elsewhere, he said.

Over the past decade, secular Arab leaders, right up through Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, have been falling, with the governments succeeding them still in doubt. Under the circumstances there may be too great an emphasis put on Iran, Abizaid said.

What is happening in these countries could pose more of a risk to Israel than Iran and it is the moderates throughout the region who have be supported and energized, Abizaid suggested

“Our and Israel’s interests is in helping moderates become ascendant,” he said. “This is a dangerous period and the rhetoric heats things up.”

Lawrence Korb, a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress and a former assistant secretary of defense during the Regan administration, said there’s probably no way to get candidates to ratchet back their Middle East rhetoric.

“It’s pretty tough now,” he said. It’s not helped by members of both parties pushing legislation that, if signed, calls for preventing Iran from having “the capability” of building a bomb, he said.

Any country with a nuclear program has the capability of developing a nuclear warhead, but the concern is that it would become the justification for striking Iran, Korb said.

“The fact is, if Israel does bomb Iran we’re going to be blamed … It’ll be accepted [throughout the region] that we told the Israelis to do it,” he said.

At the very least, Korb says the U.S. can expect Iran to retaliate against American troops by aiding insurgents fighting NATO troops in Afghanistan. Iran did this previously in Iraq, he said.

Ray McGovern, a former CIA analyst whose duties once included chairing National Intelligence Estimates and preparing the President’s Daily Brief, said the influence of pro-Israel donors and voters is too strong for candidates to ignore.

For that reason both the administration and the GOP prefer to play up how ready they are to use military force if Iran tries building a bomb rather than state clearly that U.S. intelligence finds no evidence that it is building one.

“It comes down to saber-rattling – ‘This is your last chance to stop doing what you’re not doing,’ “said McGovern, who in 2003 co-founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity.

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“At the very least, Korb says the U.S. can expect Iran to retaliate against American troops by aiding insurgents fighting NATO troops in Afghanistan. Iran did this previously in Iraq, he said.”

Uh you’re a little late bub. Iran has been aiding our enemies for a decade.

The Israelis attacking would be more of a failure on our part than the Iranians building a bomb. It means we can’t even convince an ally we are trustworthy. I believe it was candidate Obama that said diplomacy didn’t mean talking forever. Apparently that means 4 years of just talking and in term #2 he’ll really lay down the law.…

Bottom line is when this election is over, whomever is POTUS is going to have a full foreign policy plate and we are getting less details from either one of the knobs we have running on those issues than we are on the economy. They’re both too busy firing pot shots at each other over tax returns and verbal slights to be bothered with putting out useful policy information or details.

However did we get it all so backwards? As a signatory to the Non Proliferation Treaty, Iran has an internationally recognized right to develop and implement nuclear technology. Israel rejected the NPT and has no such right. Yet, the Jewish state has ICBM nukes and openly threatens Iran; actually campaigns for war against Iran. Israel, not Iran, should be sanctioned and forced to reveal its nuclear machinations to IAEA inspection. However did we get it all so backwards?

Iran is only Israel’s current fixation. America’s entire electoral system has been corrupted by Netanyahu’s Israel, AIPAC, Israel Firsters and ingenious distribution of enormous amounts of Jewish money. Our representative democracy is nearly defeated and the destruction of America as we know it well underway. Termination of the criminal treachery and treason demands immediate priority. The Government of the United States must again serve American interests, not the Jewish state’s relentless pursuit of invulnerability, territorial conquest and apartheid supremacist empire in, and beyond, the Mideast.

So what your saying is that Isreal will Nuke Iran with an ICBM??? Actually, Iran has threaten to wipe Isreal off the map and views them as crap. Wait your right the Jewish massacare never happened during WWII and they are just paranoid arabs who will nuke other arab states? If you want to balance your perspective look at the horizon pull your eyes and heart away from the Antisemitic propaganda your feeding from. The Isrealis have the right to have a Nuke because for the preservation of peace, they will not Nuke Iran or an enemy unless provoked to do so. Nice spin attempt though, in reality you embarrassed yourself. Remember it is not the size of the dog in the fight, it is the size of the fight in the dog! Irans military achilles heal would be a covert nuke program (if they have one) and they will I predict fall on their own sword. I am more worried about all the innocent arab blood spilling in Syria, what is Irans doing to stop the bloodshed JohnWV?

Your views JohnWV are silly and incorrect. First, continuing the old chestnut that the Jews control everything, when the empirical evidence is so overwhelmingly the opposite just show that your thinking is irrational based on something other than facts and intelligence. Second, the real problem is that Israel is constantly hand cuffed by American administrations, and by it own left wing electorate, from doing what we would do if someone was waging war and terrorism and murdering our children with terrorism for 60 years or more. The Jews are the indigenous people of Israel and have every legal right to control their borders, and those borders include Judea and Samaria and The Golan and Gaza, as well as all of Jerusalem.

No need for the dubious rambling excuse, just say what the Israeli prime minister says — Americas overwhelming holocaust guilt means that Israel can lead it around by the nose.

Its the reason why in a situation where Israel is trying to get America into a war that it dosent want to get into you stand with Israel.

MajorRod, you underestimate how long Iran has been making war against us. Look back to the 80’s and our participation in the Multinational Peacekeeping Force in Beirut. Iran was behind rocket and artillery attacks against our forces and provided the materials and expertise that was used against us.

I think you have it backwards, John. Israel doesn’t forfeit its sovereignty rights by NOT entering into the NPT or any other treaty. And whether or not Iran has a “right” to develop nuclear technology is immaterial; the civilized world considers an Iranian nuclear WEAPON to be a threat to regional peace and stability — and for a multitude of very good reasons.

Nonetheless, the IAEA reported in November 2011 credible evidence that Iran is actively developing nuclear warheads, in violation of its NPT treaty obligations. See http://​csis​.org/​f​i​l​e​s​/​p​u​b​l​i​c​a​t​i​o​n​/​1​1​1​1​0​8​_​i​r​a​n​s​_ev.…

OK, John–got it. You’re an anti-Zionist. Do you have any thoughts about America’s security interests in the mideast or the threat posed by a nuclear Iran that are informed by facts or grown-up opinions, or are you just shilling for the anti-Israel crowd?

What is with DoDBuzz’s leftward lurch this week?

First it was VoteVets. Now Ray McGovern? Are you serious? He represents the most obscure leftish, pacifist fringe of U.S. Intelligence professionals. Couldn’t you get Cordesman, Bolton, or Gaffney? AFIO not returning your calls?

This article is so far off the pulse of the national security debate on Iran that I’m embarrassed for you.

To be fair — in some cases John is right to be suspicious of Israeli vs. American interests. For example — where many consider Israel and loyal and faithful friend — they have (and continue) to execute false-flag operations in an attempt to get Iran and/or the United States to react militarily. This is in effect, an act of war that no trusted friend or ally would ever do — especially an ally that has donated well over $4B USD annually at taxpayer expense for decades. Furthermore, there has also been a large increase in Israeli spying on the USA — and when coupled with continued demands that we release the traitor Pollard demonstrates a further feeling of impunity on the part of Israel.

Then we have that crackpot Netanyahu *demanding* that the US take immediate military action against Iran — which is completely against not only the opinion of the Israeli citizens themselves (they want no part of a war with Iran), but is also would be against the united opinion of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff.

And as if that isn’t enough — even the Israelis themselves admit that even an attack is completely successful, it would only delay Iran gaining a nuclear weapon if they are determined to do so by two years. And if Israel or the US do so you can bet it will not only turn the Iranian citizens (who are hugely pro-USA) against us, but then gaining nukes will become THE priority for Iran (and if you were in their shoes — you wouldn’t have it any other way). BTW — one of the most alarming assumptions made by the neo-conservative crowd in the US who are screaming for war against Iran is that Iran will agree to cease hostilities when the US determines it is time to stop.

That — according to the JCS — is one of the weakest if not insane assumptions one can possible make (right up there with “the invasion of Iraq will only cost the United States $1 Billion, and all other estimates are way off the mark” — and we all know how THAT turned out). And as anyone with a brain realizes, if two nations are at war — BOTH have to agree to stop.

Fortunately — we have a POTUS that seems to be looking out for AMERICAN interests before those of Israel’s crackpot leader. Those who put Israeli interests before those of the USA should get their heads examined.

Wonk, good point about American vs. Israeli interests. The dynamic with Israel is similar to the dynamic with Taiwan — dependent but important allies whose strategic situations permits them the opportunity to manipulate the US and the potential to draw the US into a war not of our own choosing.

Cheap shot dismissing Netanyahu as a crackpot, and I think you are dreadfully wrong regarding POTUS looking out for American interests. If POTUS hadn’t been prostrate on Iran and stiff-arming Israel for the last 3 1/2 years, Iran wouldn’t be so bold today, and perhaps not so near the nuclear threshold.

Your hysterics about necons calling for war are way premature. However, we do have to be prepared for whatever actions either Israel or Iran may take which are entirely out of our control. Iran is on the brink of entering the nuclear club, which is a geostrategic game-changer. A much tougher stance on Iran, backed by the clear resolve to act decisively is necessary to deter Iran achieving or using nuclear weapons capabilities.

LT, suggest you enroll yourself in a 101-level class in International Relations at some respectable community college somewhere.

With views like you’ve expressed, why not eliminate all the pesky Palestinians who are occupying their ancestral homes? Are you sure you don’t want to include Florida and New York in your “greater Israel” scheme? There’s plenty of vocal jews in those two states too.
For a primer on just how well jews control the Congress, just check out the voting record when it comes to Israeli interests; you’ll find near unanimity of yes votes. And for a sharp contrast, check out the voting record when it comes to voting for the interest of its own constituents. This Congress of whores will fall all over each other to vote overwhelmingly for Israel’s interests, while being branded the worst “do-nothing’ Congress in our history on the domestic scene.
No, the jews don’t control everything„„just everything worth controlling.

Iran is no more of a threat than any other regime that possesses nuclear weapons. Is North Korea any more of a threat? Is Pakistan? Those are two very unstable governments but neither is so damn insane as to pose a threat to the United States with their weaponry. You’re full of crap with your paranoia concerning Iran and simply dancing to Israel’s tune. Israel wants to be the dominant power in the Middle East and a country with nukes is one that it can’t dominate„,that’s the real issue and you’re too dense to see it. It has nothing to do with our national security unless we’ve adopted Israel.
There IS an anti-Israel crowd and there damn well should be! Who in hell ever decided that we were joined at the hip with these damn troublemakers anyway? I never voted for that! I also never voted for the “very special relationship” we’re suppose to have with Israel that no one can adequately define., but I guess this “special relationship” amounts to having to shell out billions of our scarce tax dollars EACH and EVERY YEAR while our own people go homeless and jobless and lose all their savings. Get lost, you hopeless sycophant.

Wow, antisemetic much?

Doubtom

Most likely the only time you voted you helped put NOBAMA in office. As for our people going homeless & jobless the POTUS has the ability to impose import limitations but refuses to so, the goods keep pouring in we can not compete with a nation where the minimum wage is way below ours the only answer is Import restrictions like they have on our exports or to raise the duties to them but that would take a POTUS with BALLS.

SWO — Nah, I keep a list all the way back to the Beruit days. I was just reciting “recent” history. Iran has never been our friend. I marvel at folks who think taking action against those that hate us will make them hate us more. It’s the refuge of the “head in the sand” crowd.

I’m ok with getting into wars to protect a nation that espouses the same belief systems I do and against a bunch of tyrannical thugs who cloak their hate in some pseudo theological bull shit.

The NPT doesn’t give anyone rights to develop nuclear technology.

Pretty much everyone deserves some holocaust guilt. Definitely the British and Germans. Not that I am attempting to have a rational conversation with you directly Oblat because everyone here knows you are an inflammatory trolling hack and a liar.

We decided at the end of the WW2 to help the jews. Mostly because we thought the Germans exterminating them and the British more or less helping was pretty fucking awful and we needed to set right a pretty big goddman wrong.

I would say Iran is as much a threat as Pakistan and North Korea. They all give me the willies at the thought these fools have developed nukes and the ridiculous state of affairs that exists in all these countries.

DoD Buzz seems to have become a leftist leaning source for government news, a partisan political ally for democrats. As a trained marketing specialist I see troubling patterns in DoDBuzz posting of articles that are sometimes sourced by non Americans. Dod Buzz often will post articles that support negative criticism of military command decisions or they post articles that demonize military personel who by no circumstance in their control are in the news. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu demonstrated he is intellectually superior in dealing with the issues of the MiddleEast and Israel and he may even be a better man, soldier and scholar than many Americans he has to work with. This administrations negative stance toward Israel gives me no confidence in our government in taking the lead in world issues.

it isn’t a question of whether iran is our friend — that is not even debatable. the question is what is the best strategy for managing them. will a military strike be worth the cost in $ and lives?

Another anti-Semite. You are your own self-refuting argument. Time to invoke Matthew 7:6.

True ref Iranian “friendship”. As for a strike that’s a simple pay now or pay later equation. More importantly is do we do it or do the Israelis?

The Israelis only have the capability to temporarily delay Iranian nukes. Our capability is obviously more extensive.

All heat. No light. Sound and fury, signifying nothing.

If the Israelis and we settle for simply striking the nuclear program. I say go big or go home. If a military option is chosen it might as well be too roll back the Iranian regime as much as possible. Were I the Israelis, I would add striking Iranian crude oil loading terminals and terminals used for off loading refined petroleum products to my strike list and slit the Iranian’s throats.

The only problem here is, if Israel strikes at Iran. The US is obligated in some way to help Israel. Thus getting dragged into another war.

We can’t even pay for our own weapon systems, and we are funding the development of a weapon systems for first world countries.

How do you convince the Israelis not to strike, short of doing it ourselves?

Good points…

Step one is when you are a no experience having tool from chicago you dont publically lecture the sitting PM of lsrael about what borders lsrael needs to settle for. Particulaly when that same PM is a veteran commando of lDF. You do that in private. Step 2 is we shouldve been setting some time tables an limits on diplomacy since candidate Obama said diplomacy doesnt mean talking forever. Step 3 you skip silly euphemisms like “all options are on the table” and you do things like announcing the permanent rotational basing of an expexitionary air wing in the region should a strike option be needed. Mostly you stand up and lead.

Romney, during his recent swing through Israel, broke with official U.S. policy to declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel and said he would “respect” an Israeli decision to unilaterally attack Iran. Nuff said . As of late the Israelis have a better focus on their future than America. I support Romney on this. Israel is responsible enough to forewarn for US troops safety . Make a small mess to be cleaned up rather than Await a larger one.

Nice to see some reasoned, intelligent discussion on this, cheers chaps!

The Israelis are very clear where Americia stands, our guilt for the holocaust means that our foriegn policy must forever be subservent to Israel’s needs. To do otherwise is to simply to wish for a second holocaust.

Whenever a senior Israeli leader visits washington they always go to the memorial and they always make a point of pointing out our guilt and reafirming America’s commitment.

As Sharon said an anti-semite is anyone who hasnt sworn alegence to Israel.

I’m sure John can put things right by going to Washington and swearing aligence at the memorial. If not it can be done online.

Actually the guy is so clueless about foriegn policy that he thought Jerusalem already was the capital. Its lucky they didnt schedule a press conference in Hebron — he probably would have called that the capital.

It’s just one of it’s 3 main goals.

John, what’s the weather like in Tehran?

It’s an election year and D.C. is 75% Democrat and military​.com is based in San Francisco.

We’ve read your inflammatory anti semitic rant oblat. You can stop reposting the whole American guilt bull shit any time you like. Anyone who has a shred of decency an isn’t racist insensitive pig like you should feel shame at the way we’ve treated some minorities on this planet, the jews included. Of course it happens over an over again throughout our history precisely because worthless sacks of feces like you think its ok to forget them and dismiss them.

How so? If Iran limits their retaliation to Israel I don’t see us lifting a finger. What do we do when Hezbollah or Hamas rocket Israel?

If the Iranians start attacking Americans I don’t blame the Israelis. The bombs say “made in Iran” dude.

The fear you vocalized is how Iran is successfully influencing US policy and deterring Israel to achieve their goals. That demands a heck of alot more self analysis than blaming Israel.

“Any country with a nuclear program has the capability of developing a nuclear warhead, but the concern is that it would become the justification for striking Iran, Korb said.”

Technically illiterate nonsense. Coming from an individual conspicuously lacking relevant technical credentials.

“Any country with a nuclear program has the capability of developing a nuclear warhead”? No. Hardly the case.

There are versions of the nuclear fuel cycle which are proliferation resistant. Such as the thorium variant. Iran has conspicuously avoided use of these.

Or, a country can run a nuclear fuel cycle which is consistent with proliferation, but it can openly admit international inspectors to ensure that no weapons-grade fissionables are being produced. Iran has consistently refused to cooperate with such inspections.

Given that Iran sits on top of tremendous reserves of fossil fuel, sufficient to both power their own domestic economy for a hundred years to come plus offering them lucrative exports, there is only one reason for them to be pursing nuclear technology.

It’s the same reason which their top leadership have repeatedly cited in public statements. They want nuclear weapons. They want them as soon as they can get them.

No other explanation is consistent with the facts.

Ok. For starters there is zero chance of Israel attacking Iran without the United States having prior knowledge.
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And then what happens? As several posters before me pointed out, to much derision from the peanut gallery, what sort of relations will we have with Iran after an Israeli led attack on Iranian soil?

I know first hand the effects of Iranian made weapons used in foreign countries and I assure you all that I have no love for the government of Iran. However we are not talking about exporting copper EFPs to the local street gang. We are speaking about nuclear weapons that Iran does not even possess yet. Are you honestly advocating that we, and make no mistake America will be perceived as complicit by most of the world in an Israeli attack, go to war with Iran to set back the development of their nuclear program by a few years?

This is for real folks. War with Iran means American casualties. I understand that many of you don’t wear the uniform and as a result have a somewhat hazy view of what happens when America goes to war.

War with Iran means that Americans will die by the thousands and we will be even greater in debt with a worse off military than we have now.

Iran is over twice the population and roughly four times the size of Iraq. We all remember how well things went for us in Iraq.

I am not advocating some sort of peacenik head-in-the-sand ideal here. I just want everyone to understand what it will mean to go to war against Iran.

No it isn’t.

Who said anything about invading and occupying Iran? Why would thousands of Americans die if we choose to simply annihilate the jihadists ability control their own nation?

–Destroy the nuke sites.
–Destroy the IADS
–Destroy the air force
–Destroy the navy
–Destroy the Revolutionary Guards naval assets and intel cantonements
–Destroy crude oil off load terminals
–Destroy refined petroleum import terminals

The Ayatollahs would cease to be able to control their own country let alone cause anyone else issues or develop nuclear weapons. I agree a simple attack on their nuke facilities is stupid.

Why do you immediately leap to some invasion of Iran in your opinion of what an attack on Iran would look like?

Ah yes the usual arguments from the Hollocaust deniers — lets sumarise — “The Hollocaust wasnt special, nothing new, really, we made blacks sit at the back of the bus, and 6 million Jews went to the gas chambers it’s all the same.”

Thousands of Jews would die in the subsiquent chemical weapons attacks but “Why would thousands of Americans die” — thats the main thing.

You underestimate Israel’s sophisticated OPSEC. You overestimate both US ability to detect Israeli preparations and US leverage to assure a prior consultation or warning by the Israelis.

IMHO, Israel has so little confidence that the Obama administration is a reliable ally that they have little choice but to take matters into their own hands (remember the Liberty incident?) The Obamanauts have made a strategic failure (I seem to remember something in the Obama Defense Strategy about “assuring allies” and deterring aggressors) and squandered American leverage to influence the situation short of brinksmanship.

You understand that once Iran crosses the nuclear threshold, we’re not talking about just Katyushas across the border, right? The consequences of every rise in tensions between Iran and Israel will be national survival for both. This is about windows of opportunity…about choosing the timing of a conflict to minimize the cost and consequences. Posing a credible (CREDIBLE!) deterrent, and if deterrence fails, neutralizing the threat before it can respond with nuclear capabilities.

Well said. More “shock and awe,” less boots on ground.

Still, remember the challenge of dismantling Saddam’s WMD complex…there remain serious limitations to how much can be done against an adversary who is a sophisticated practitioner of denial & deception, and can successfully control “on the ground” access to its WMD facilities.

Which lesson did Iran’s mullahs learn from OIF? That the US wasn’t bluffing about regime change, or that the US won’t stomach the costs again?

Funny, I don’t remember any US action after Osirak. And that was during the Reagan Administration, when Israel had a more resolute ally in the White House.

I wonder how much more pressure there will be for the US to help Israel once Iran has fully weaponized and deployed its nuclear capability?

LT, you haven’t taken that 101 course yet, have you?

Yeah, but I suspect most readers are center or center-right leaning members of the Defense Industry and uniformed or retired members of the military. DoDBuzz should mind its audience.

But, in all honesty the Israelis are our only “ally” to intentionally attack american servicemembers in the past 30 years — a.k.a the USS Liberty incident.

Go away little trolling Oblat.

Yes but not exporting oil and not being able to import gas and diesel means no money. Most people cant build nukes with no money, or eat.

Go away Oblat. No one is interested in your inflammatory trolling bull shit you tool.

Agree but you were asking why the lurch and the readers aren’t writing the stories.

Who let the tin foil hat guy in?

I don’t deny the holocaust you fucking knucklehead. I am pointing out things like the Holocaust keep happening because of the attitudes of people like you.

Ah yea you mean the WMD complex that didnt exist ?

Yea was pretty a pretty big challenge. LOL

Dont tell me, even some of your best friends are Jews.

The past 30 years is far from covering the USS Liberty incident. Try over 40 years ago.

Sorry it took me so long to respond, I was busy taking a big ltfunk in the bathroom and needed extra time to wipe my Oblat off.

Kinda like the big lies you tell about yourself and your fabulous life Oblat.

What is the explanation though. Doesn’t it seem like they will sell us down the river to get ahead. I’m sure the sailors who died and their families don’t think they are such a great ally.

What exactly do they bring to the alliance besides bills? They aren’t in NATO and don’t do any oversees operations with us. They do their own thing how long do we pay our tax money to not only arm, but be forced to war over the country. I’m asking what is it that they bring to an alliance, an alliance is usually mutually beneficial.

I’m not anti-Israel at all, honestly I admire them. It doesn’t mean that I want to pay for their welfare, especially when I personally know Americans who can use i t. Where is your number 1 alliance the US or Israel?

Or how about it’s center. Does being on the right mean starting wars?

If you are a true conservative you would want to save that 1,000,000 per tomahawk then expend them for what game. It won’t even permanently set Iran back. Why spend money to fight inevitability.

Here we go again. It is 1million bucks per tomahawk. How many would we need? We aren’t going to be able to control the nuke game forever. It’s inevitable. Do we really hit fueled nuclear reactors and uranium refinement facilities? Has anyone done that before? Sounds bad to me, not worth the consequences.

LT, you are clueless.

I bet the Japanese would’ve bombed Los Alamos given the chance.

We ‘assisted’ them all through the 80s and 90s with the Arrow ABM system R&D, when by treaty with the USSR we weren’t allowed to. Their HUMINT has always been vastly better in the region and I wouldn’t expect a forum full of non knowing fools like us to have any idea of the extent of information they have gotten us. They agreed to sign the Camp David accords and helped pry Egypt away from the USSR as a client state. That’s 3 off the top of my head.

They have an unfortunate habit of sharing U.S. tech with our adversaries.

This is also something the French have recently done with Mistral as well.

Bomb them once and any chance of a peaceful solution is gone.

Since diplomacy is now off the table the only option left is that we keep bombing them. And bombing them. And bombing them.……

And we will need to set up some sort of no-fly zone over their country so that we can keep bombing their nuke sites in safety.

How many years will we have to keep bombing them? Obviously forever because by now we have built up so much animosity that the moment we stop bombing them they will start to develop nukes again because they hate us so much from all the years of bombing.

So the only way we will ever be able to stop them from trying to develop nuclear weapons is to affect some sort of regime change. That change might come from within by a dissatisfied and extremely war-weary population or it might come from without via invasion.

Doesn’t this whole scenario sound familiar to you?

I honestly think the best time for an attack on Iran is now. With Syria in turmoil,Israel may be able to do flights over Syria and Iraq to get at Iran.
I do not see Iran not retaliating like what happened with both Iraq and Syria. One of the things that I have not seen discussed is what is going to happen after Iran retaliates against Israel besides Israel going after Hezbollah. Will they bomb Iran again?

Uh don’t forget the Canadians…

THAT’S FUNNY!

Agree, I’ve been commenting about bias in DoD Buzz for awhile. I encourage you to do the same.

There are plenty of political blogs, few that debate defense without political spin.

I misspoke concerning the French.

What peaceful solution do you envision? We have essentially maxed out sanctions. The only last step is to sever the import of refined petroleum products into Iran and that is essentially an act of war anyway because at that point we are denying them the ability to feed their people and exist as a nation in the modern world. They have been offered every deal possible in regards to fuel swaps and safeguards to using a uranium and or plutonium system. They have been made offered technical assistance with new systems that aren’t susceptible to proliferation issues. The chance for a peaceful solution is just about non existent anymore and it is primarily because the Iranian regime doesn’t want one.

An interesting question. Personally I don’t think so. Iran is too far away to carry out more than one or two perhaps a maximum of three attack waves. But no more. After that that they will rely on their missile defence shield — as fare as the retaliation from Iran is concerned.
If Hezbollah gets involved (and I think there’s no doubt about that) Israel would most likely mount a full ground war at them crippling them severely if not wiping them out complacently.

When you learn how to spell Holocaust and take tha basic 101 course that SecretSquid referred you to maybe then you can join the adults in this conversation. Take off your sheet and go beg forgiveness, you will surely need it in the life to come.

I expect the Palestinians would love a 3 billion dollar a year donation from the US, it would certainly lift them out of poverty.

Hey administrator, I want you to tell me why you deleted my comment. No offensive words were used. Send me an e-mail ASAP.

Seconded. When you send in the troops you need clearly defined ‘victory’ conditions, which, upon achieving, you bring them home. None of this ‘Invade and spend 10+years in-country’ with nothing to show for it but the bodies of brave men and women.

And IF you are sending in troops, you don’t just settle with ‘Destruction of xxxxx’ you roll back the enemy to the point where they won’t be a threat militarily for a very, very long time. And you don’t rebuild for them and re-equip their military for them.

I mean lets face it, sending in troops should always be a last resort (Unless it’s a UN peacekeeping force) once all diplomatic options fail. But when diplomatic options fail, it’s just idiotic to tie the hands of your troops until they aren’t effective. When you do that, you’re stuck with another Vietnam.

Impose import limitations???? Are you effin nuts??? That goes against what it means to be an American you Jack Ass! It’s a free market economy, where the consumer maintains the power. We should never NEVER limit our imports. We just shouldn’t by them at the store. If the cheap Chinese trinkets aren’t moving off the shelves, they will make the decision not to ship them over here.

… and follow the trend set by Fox News? No thanks. I would expect that my news sources remain objective and just tell me what is happening, not what to think. I can make that determination by myself.

The Palestinians get that already. The “west” (that includes Israel) hast sunk twice as much money in “Palestine” as they (that excludes Israel) in the Marshall Plan after WW II. If you’re wondering just where the money went — the best starting point would be the Arafat widow or Mr. Abbas…

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