Obama takes on the military

Obama takes on the military

President Obama took dead aim at the lack of national security rhetoric in his opponent’s Republican National Convention speech as Obama accepted the Democratic nomination for another term as president Thursday night.

He spoke about fulfilling his promise to end the war in Iraq, killing Osama bin Laden, and his plans to end the war in Afghanistan in 2014. That’s not to say defense hawks were all that pleased with the Democratic plaform, or the president’s speech in general.

The Democrats have not swayed from their insistence that the time for leaner defense spending is now. The Democratic platform and Obama’s speech highlighted the need to scrap weapons and systems built for the Cold War.


“We will continue to get rid of outdated Cold War-era systems so that we can invest in cutting-edge technologies and maintain a versatile set of capabilities required to execute a wide range of military missions,” the Democratic platform stated.

Neither the platform nor Obama have specified what they consider Cold War-era systems leaving the defense industry guessing what the president and his administration might have in their sights in a future term.

Obama said in his speech the country will benefit from ending the war in Afghanistan and cash in on the savings of not fighting two simultaneous wars.

Plenty of defense analysts took issue with Obama’s claims that the U.S. government will use the savings from not fighting in Afghanistan on paying down the debt. The point about loans paying for the war in Afghanistan rings true.

It doesn’t change the fact the word “Afghanistan” was used in Obama’s speech. Plenty of pundits have highlighted how Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney never once chose to address the war in Afghanistan. Romney answered those critiques ahead of Obama’s speech saying his speech to the American Legion was the setting he chose to address national security.

Obama’s campaign team focused on Romney’s lack of diplomatic experience in the president’s speech Thursday. Obama questioned the time Romney and his vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan have spent working in foreign diplomacy.

“My opponent and his running mate are new to foreign policy, but from all that we’ve seen and heard, they want to take us back to an era of blustering and blundering that cost America so dearly,” Obama said Thursday.

Obama made sure to hit on Romney’s declaration of Russia as a leading enemy. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., who spoke earlier, told the crowd that Romney took his diplomatic cues from Rocky IV instead of real world events.

Obama made sure to close down any questions about his support of Israel and opposition for Iran’s support of nuclear weapons.

“Our commitment to Israel’s security must not waver, and neither must our pursuit of peace,” Obama said. “The Iranian government must face a world that stays united against its nuclear ambitions.”

The president also took time in his speech to thank the troops and promised to do what he can to ensure they have jobs when they come home and the appropriate care. In a speech at Fort Bliss, Texas, Obama ordered more personnel be added to the Department of Veteran’s Affairs to ensure U.S. servicemembers receive appropriate mental health care.

“When you take off the uniform, we will serve you as well as you’ve served us – because no one who fights for this country should have to fight for a job, or a roof over their head, or the care that they need when they come home,” Obama said.

One issue the president did not address was sequestration, especially as it pertained to the military and the potential $500 billion cut to defense spending over the next decade. He chose to leave out that political loser as he continues to try and distance himself from the issue and put the onus on Congress to settle it.

It’s a wonder how much national security will enter the presidential campaign over the next two months leading up to the election. Thus far, the Republicans have not let it affect their unwavering focus on the economny and the Democrats are quick to mention bin Laden, but little else.

Plenty of questions remain as the plan is to keep thousands of U.S. troops in Afghanistan well into the next president’s term. The specter of sequestration and future defense spending hangs over the Pentagon as the military transitions from a force at war to one stationed stateside.

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pretty sure alot of the cold war weapons still have relevance today.

He speak with forked tongue! Obama is gonna let the military take the big hit! Then the money can be put into welfare programs. I guess we don’t need as big an army when you live under socialism.

Based on what I have seen to date I would imagine he is referring to an increased role for special operations (Africa), ISR (middle east and everywhere else), and the buzzword of the day netcentric warfare. I have also read other departments within government are being tasked with assisting the military. This is especially true for the State Department.

We have clearly seen he prefers to use UAV airstrikes to take out those perceived as the enemy, especially terrorists.

DC2

He didn’t address sequestration…probably because allowing it to proceed as feared will go a long way to letting those “Cold War era systems” be scrapped. Along with a lot of other systems, no doubt.

You know, the F-15 and F-16 and A-10 can be called “Cold War Era systems.” We could just scrap them, and…fly a few dozen F-35s instead. I guess. Lockheed would be happy, I’m sure. [ /sarcasm]

I disagree. He didn’t bring it up because this is a bipartisan issue. Both the Democrats and Republicans need to work together to prevent it, which will not happen. So why bring it up? Just to beat a dead horse? But trust me, if it does happen, he will be more than happy to point the finger at the Republicans.

DC2

What would they be? 40 year old Hueys? 50 year old Buffs? 30 year old (and still inept) B-1’s? The M-16?, ICBMs? Nuke subs?
I’ve got news for you. The last three wars (back to Desert Storm) didn’t involve any of those systems to any relevance. They were used, yes, but only as an adjunct to primary systems or to prove to ourselves that the money being dumped into their deep maintenance costs was justified.
We (I’ve) been using antiquated systems for far too long at the expense of mission effectiveness all because of the short-sightedness of our Pentagon “leadership”.
It’s time to move on and deal with the real world. The cold war is over and those systems need to go the way of the Berln Wall.

I think your a day late and a dollar short. SOF Units have been rotated to Africa in increasing numbers since 9/11. There hasnt been a noticeable increase just because of Obama. Also, The DEA, FBI, CPB, U.S. Marshalls, and ATF have been sent to Afghanistan and Iraq when some of the first SEALs touched down in Afghanistan apart of Task Force Ka Barr. The state department has ALWAYS had a lot of say in military operations since Vietnam. Often times, too much. Finally, while drone strikes have increased under Obama, the numbers were already increasing under George Bush, as more and more UAVs and operators became available as well better and better intelligence from the added ISR capabilities and updated special operations strategy in Afghanistan. To Obama’s credit, he may have had to increase the UAV strikes because the Paks thought George is off their back and Obama wouldnt pester them so much and they tried to balk at Hillary which probably helped the drone strike numbers out.

Obama only wants 2 things, more people on government dependence and a weaker military so we have to bow to Russia, Iran, North Korea and the Chinese

I do not think that any of us active and retired want this to happen, after all we and other have given our lives to make sure this country is Free and the people in it are FREE

So let me get this straight. He’s making the OBL assassination op a centerpiece of his campaign. And he’s saying that we need to cut all the stuff that made that op possible. Because apparently all we need to do is BELIEVE IN AMERICA.

Maybe. But do you seriously believe that Obama intends to “invest” in an upgrade of our defense systems? The major Defense accomplishment of Obama I was to divert $1T from the Defense budget (Sequestration) to finance a domestic spending spree (Stimulus, etc.) for favored Democrat special interest groups. An Obama II Administration might terminate “Cold War” programs, but I suspect the only new starts we’d see would be long on political pet causes (“Great Green Fleet!”) and short on combat power and strategic game-changing capabilities.

Don’t be so naive. He’s talking about a new “Peace Dividend.”

It’s too easy (and intellectually lazy) to blame both sides, DC2. Obama and the Dems got exactly what they wanted in Sequestration. It was win-win for them. They presented Republicans with a Hobson’s coice. They could either let the Dems gut the Defense budget or hike taxes to futher their class warfare demogoguery. There was no money left…it was already spent on the Stimulus, Obamacare, and the GM bailout. If Republicans were complicit, it was in their feckless acceptance of the Sequestration “dead-man switch” in the first place.

Incredibly ironic to see Obama attacking Romney/Ryan for their lack of foreign policy experience. Obama, the Amateur president. The former Community Organizer. When Obama was elected in 2008, he was the most underqualified President in American history.

His record has done little to burnish his foreign policy credibility. Obama Aministration policy on Iran and China has been feckless. The Russian “reset” an international joke. We have undermined key Allies (UK, Israel). Obama’s signature foreign policy accomplishments–the killing of UBL and the withdrawal from Iraq–were simply the culmination of Bush Administration policies. The Guantanamo Bay detainee camp remains open, depsite Obama’s silly and uninformed pledge to close it within a year of his inauguration.

Looing forward to the return of the grownups.

Makes no sense to replace those since there nothing really out there to replace them with. Hueys will fly for a long time in USMC and Navy and USAF service because it dose its jobs well, and Blackhwaks are too expensive. And ICC isdying the M-16 and M-4 will be around for a while.

Its all camping rederic the DoD is intrenched with its systems and programs and this like Romneys spend spend spend talk is just crap to make some voters happy. When one is elected you’ll see there talk reverse.

Ahhh, yes. The infamous “Peace Dividend”. The one thye left says the right wasted even though it really didn’t exist except in rhetoric. Putin has made it clear he wants to return to the glory days of Mother Russia and become a world power… and our foe. The all volunteer force has made the load on the troops a heavy burden. We had repeat tours during Vietnam, but nothing like today’s troops have had to endure.

Obama is still living the 1960s socialist dream of utopia. He doesn’t like the military (except for a photo op and pandering for votes). He’s shown his disdain for authority (except his own), disdain for the Supreme Court (except when they vote his way), and disregard for the Constitution.

I fear that his ideas of cuts is to defang the military and depend solely on technology, and that what is left will be overburdened and ill prepared to gear up for a fight. This repeats after every conflict. The military is no longer seen as being necessary compared to social programs. Then along comes a conflict, and we have to gear up with major investments for equipment, and bring on recruits to train. Meanwhile we lose the experience troops through attrition.

“He spoke about fulfilling his promise to end the war in Iraq, killing Osama bin Laden, and his plans to end the war in Afghanistan in 2014.”

He didn’t end the war in Iraq. The treaty we signed at the end of 2007 with Iraq did that. It was a 4 step process for leaving the country at specific milestones which we honored to the letter. All the President had to do was not make any changes. There is no plan to end Afghanistan in 2014. The plan (such as it is) is to withdraw most of our troops but leave a sizeable contingent for counterterrorism and Afghan Army training for many years after 2014.

As pointed out by Squid, Romney has as much foreign policy experience as the President did when he was running against the senior member of the Senate Armed Services Committee!

Just like Romney, the President is issuing campaign promises he can’t keep with regards to military spending. Romney promises a 1% GDP increase in military spending and so far has only said “we’ll cut somewhere to pay for it.” The President is promising to get rid of Cold War weapons (which ones?) and buy new stuff (very vague soundbite there too) even with sequestration looming which he endorsed.

“If Republicans were complicit, it was in their feckless acceptance of the Sequestration “dead-man switch” in the first place.”

Which is why blaming both sides is a valid point. Both parties have been kicking this can down the road since the 1970s. Whether the Presidency and Congress were controlled by the same party or opposite parties, neither side did a damn thing except add to the debt. The sequestration event was supposed to be so unpalletable that neither side would allow it to happen, yet they proved their dedication to irresponsibility by doing just that.

Good Morning Folks,

A lesson in American history. When war are over the US demobilizes. From the American Revolution and after every other war we have had. Iraq is done and Afghanistan will be done in 2014 and the spending will have to go down. After the 1991 Desert Storm President George HW Bush did a 40% cut across the board in defense spending, after the excess in waste of the past decade plus (FCS, EFV, etc.) a 50% over all cut is called for.

Looking at any potential threats around the globe there is simply no justification for keeping our military at the current force level. I know all about China but the truth is China militarily isn’t even a regional power. Taiwan, Japan, SKorea, India and emerging Vietnam all have superior military capabilities to the Chinese.

Russia, well even Jamestown, has dismissed them as any kind of a military power.

In short the defense industry is either going to have to learn how to make profits in a civilian economy are simply disappear. That by the way is how Capitalism works. They made their profits during war now they adapt to peace or go under.

ALLONS,
Byron Skinner

And what is up the headlines? “Obama takes on the military.” Are POTUS and SECDEF leading football teams against each other this weekend? Before opening the link I thought the article was describing how the President was going to cut us by 50% or something.

WRONG (Sequestration) was a bi-partisan effort by the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction.

The Obama Administration Failed to meet the Mandatory Sept 6th Deadline for how they plan on implementing $109 billion in across-the-board budget cuts scheduled to take effect Jan. 2. “Sequestration” The Democratic Dream come True!
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This is news, when does a Democrat not talk about cutting defense?

Kinda. The Democrat half of that bipartisan panel held the Defense budget hostage in exchange for tax hikes. The Republican half unwisely allowed themselves to be duped into a bad bargaining position. Republicans were on balance the only side trying to execute any fiscal responsibility.

The “Joint Select Committee” was an abomination in itself, in that the democratically elected Members of Congress ducked making the hard budget decisions through its normal Constitutional processes and institutional rules, and instead abrogated their responsibilities, punting to the House and Senate leadership. To the extent that Republicans were complicit in this sad arrangement, instead of holding their ground for a Govt Shutdown, then I suppose you might consider it a bipartisan failure. It’s more like a prisoner’s dillemma with a negotiating partner determined to act in bad faith.

Strongly agree. The 1990’s “peace dividend” was an illusion from the start, just like most interwar defense holidays have been. This one is, as Hoffman’s article points out, an outright fraud, since the “defense savings” Obama promises aren’t real — they were financed as debt.

Perhaps I wasn’t clear — my point was that when Obama speaks of retiring “obsolete Cold War weapons,” it’s not because he wants to invest in developing new capabilities–it’s because he wants to kill new Defense programs and divert spending to his domestic priorities.

Yes, but there’s a difference. Democrats deserve criticism for their financial irresponsibility. Republicans simply got outmaneuvered, and lacked the backbone to use the one lever they have: the threat of a government shutdown. Bad tactics is forgiveable. Bad policy is not.

Actually, Romney has more FP experience than Obama had…he ran the 2002 Winter Olympics.

Eh. I would imagine he is probably referring to the lower nuke levels that have been talked about. Beside that his Pentagon is asking for a new bomber and getting funding. Research money for long range strike options from CONUS. New subs. New space systems. I really don’t see much else from the Cold War he could be referring to.

“He spoke about fulfilling his promise to end the war in Iraq,” Oh the one his predecessor negotiated a pullout for?

“ending the war in Afghanistan and cash in on the savings of not fighting two simultaneous wars.” Savings? We borrowed the money to fight the last decade. Is borrowing less now considered “savings”? I also reject the whole “two wars” canard. Was WWII two wars because we fought in the Pacific and Europe.

“Obama’s campaign team focused on Romney’s lack of diplomatic experience in the president’s speech Thursday.” Yeah, he had tons of experience…

I just wonder if we would have a President with so poor of a record in contention for re-election if the media reporting on our wars in the same manner as it did during President Bush’s term? I remember the constant daily, weekly and monthly reports of KIAs & WIAs. Everytime we passed a milestone in deaths there would be special news reports for weeks.
Barak Obama has been CinC for 28% of the war in Afghanistan. During his term 78% of the KIAs in Afghanistan have occurred. If you read major American Newspapers or watch the 3 letter Networks, one might be assured that almost 35–40 Americans have died in combat in Afghanistan since Jan. 2009.

are you really that stupid? nuke subs used to collect intel, hueys used to transport Marines, b-1s doing precision warfare… the m-16 im not going to even awnser that; but im sure “you” used plenty of antiquated systems despite their “effecitiveness.

“Is borrowing less now considered “savings”?”

Actually yes. The whole debt reduction debate (to include sequestration) uses the word “savings” to describe not spending as much, yet continuing to deficit spend and increase the debt.

Imagine how much I could save this year by only spending 120% of my income instead of 140%.

Gotcha but it’s worth pointing out.

Oh absolutely. I’ve griped about that word-spinning on here a few times.

It would be nice if the world cooperates with your rosy picture of our current threat environment. With Iran on the nuclear brink, China asserting its own version of the Great East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere in the South China Sea, and the Arab Spring fallout in Egypt and Syria, it is by no means certain that it will.

If you think tiny Taiwan’s or Vietnam’s militaries are a match for the PLA after the past two decades of PLA modernization, then you have not been keeping up with current events. Not sure how S. Korea or India are even relevant, as it is not at all clear that they would participate in any prospective Taiwan or South China Sea scenario coalition. For deterrence to work, the US must be prepared to come to Taiwan’s aid unassisted if necessary.

True, after Afghanistan we will have to demobilize a bit and there will be some needed cuts but I would take issue with a few things.
The defense industry will have no problem making a profit during peacetime. The military breaks plenty of stuff during training activities and plenty of equipment and support will be sold to the military for maintenance purposes.
With regard to the Chinese military, I seriously doubt that SKorea or Vietnam would want to go to war with China. I also seriously doubt that they could win such a war. Their military’s may enjoy a slight edge technologically but technology in itself does not guarantee overall superiority. The Chinese have more throw weight than any country on the planet. The U.S. military learned a hard lesson about it on the Korean peninsula back in the fifty’s.
Russia is dismissed as any kind of military power? You are aware that they have nuclear capabilities, yes? That alone is a good reason to keep an eye on them. To dismiss them outright is to tempt fate.
When it comes to military spending during peacetime I’l paraphrase a quote from Washington, “In times of peace, prepare for war.”

“Taiwan, Japan, SKorea, India and emerging Vietnam all have superior military capabilities to the Chinese.”

What in the world are you talking about?? Seriously.…

Maybe he does not realize the cold war has been over for 20 years. You think that during that time if we did not need and of the weapon systems or if they were not practical anymore that we would have replaced them. I am only aware of 3 major weapon systems that started after the Cold War ended (JSF, MRAP and the LCS). All of the Cold War error systems have proven useful in the current wars, some may have taken some modifications to make them better so I admit

Defense companies–if they are run well–will always make profits. The question is how many skilled workers will they have to lay off and how many plants will they have to shut down to remain profitable? Will we irreparably damage the industrial base? Unlike the Federal Government, businesses have to balance their budgets.

Will the Government sustain a sufficient Defense industrial base to deter the other threats on our horizon? America should look forward and invest in the capabilities it needs to deter the likely future threats, rather than undertaking costly crash build-ups to play catch-up.

Byron: Defense spending as a percentage of GDP for FY13 is about 3.5%. — well below the 45-year average of 5.5%. What on Earth are you talking about?

See http://​thenumbersguru​.blogspot​.com/​2​0​0​8​/​1​0​/​d​e​f​ens.…

Actually Benjamin, When I remember his actions I think he wants to revive the Cold War because the team he was routing for lost. No missle defense in Europe, Giving the Soviet Union(I dont believe that Russia crapolla) numbers, specs and capabilities of the British Nuke Missle system. Many other actions all point to his yearning to reverse the outcome of the Cold War and put a little Muslim twist on it.

The writer of this article should be mind full of all members of the military political status, this article seemed neg. in regards to the president when reporting news the reporter is not supposed to have a basis veiw, other wise it is not news it’s an opinion .

Get ready for an era of do more with less things on hand under Obama

Dollars to Donuts this thread did not go the direction the author desired. Good thread!

Heck we in the military have been doing more with less 4 many years, especially during the Bush years. All those deployments & fighting 2 wars have tired our military. Don’t just blame Obama.

Maybe you missed it but Congress voted for sequestrion, the GOP leadership all voted for it. The President doesn’t write the budget or deterimine where the money goes that’s the job of the Congress. Hope your aim was better when you were active duty.

Amen this president is stupid and cannot run a country he wants to destroy America, and make us defenseless we need a big military and it benefits the economy by creating more jobs to build planes and supplies for military using contractors and all kinds of civilian trades. We are bringing our military down while china and others are building theirs up
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I serve 30 years in military stop making foolish decisions obama get out and let Mitt Romney take office

It they want to get rid of cold war tech they would be stripping us of our basic weaponry as well. Considering the M16, M249 SAW, and M240 Machine gun are all cold war era weapons. So what are we supposed to fight terrorists with, slingshots?

I guess you missed the senate majority is democrat and the republicans were silly enough to believe the democrats would never pull the trigger and gut the military?

2 wars? Was WWII two wars? We fought two different enemies in two diffferent locations.

Ros — I would characterize this write up as pretty even handed. The author dings both sides and illuminates both sides pretty equally. You may want to go back and look at the author’s write ups of the Paul Ryan announcement and the exclusion of Afghanistan in the campaigns for some pro adminsitration spin.

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Not strange we didn’t see you there to comment about bias.

With a much *smaller* military than in WWII, and an all-volunteer force, to boot. The comparison isn’t all that valid. There was a full mobilization in the US to fight WWII, massive industrial efforts, the draft, citizen volunteers to do the jobs the new soldiers weren’t at home to do. None of that happened in Iraq or Afghanistan.

More to the point, the first two years of WWII, we had trouble mounting massive, major operations in both the Pacific and European theaters simultaneously. It was only from late-1943 onward that we were capable of doing that.

The United States has 460 bases overseas! It has 507 permanent bases! What is the U.S doing with more than 560 foreign bases? Why does it have 662 bases abroad? Does the United States really have more than 1,000 military bases across the globe? Yes, they do!!! So your saying that we, a country that can unleash a massive payload or a surgical strike anywhere…yes, Anywhere in this world within less than 24 hrs. needs to have this many bases. I think it is time to bring some of our outstanding service members home! So I certainly hope they decrease the military spending and reduce our base numbers.

We, the US spend more of our $ on the military than ALL other countries combined! No need for that.

All of you that have been in the military for any period of time know that there are huge amounts of waste in material and manpower and dollars! There are areas that can be cut and you know it. Picking words out of the speech such as “cold war weapons” and then by a stretch say our personal weapons, i.e. M16, SAW, 40MM GLauncher, Etc…are in gonna be next. Talk like that is counter productive and serves no purpose but to rile up others and get no where.

There have been cuts/downsizing of the military after EVERY single major conflict. Every single one. If the defense contractors cant make money during peace time then die or adapt. So instead of pushing that kinda talk let first come to an agreement that there is area to be consider for downsizing and then work together on what makes common sense and address it as needed.

We can work together and get something fucking accomplished that is best for our country, not best for a party or a party’s donors.

Actually, the Presidert does submit a budget to Congress. Perhaps you should go back and repat your 5th grade Civics class.

Note this President’s budget has not been passed even by the Senate, which is controlled by Democrats. Though the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress in 2009 and 2010, they never even passed a budget…which is one of the few Constitutionally specified responsibilities of the Congress. Since the House went Republican in 2011, it has been able to pass budgets. Unfortunately, the Democrat-controlled Senate won’t even vote on the budget.

Sorry, Bill…blame for this budget mess rests firmly with the Democrats. That’s OK, though, because in January, the Republicans will get the keys back, and we’ll have grown-ups in charge again.

BTW…not saying that all Democratic Congressional majorities have been kindergartens–the Pelosi/Reid bunch has been uniquely appalling in its utter disregard for its Constitutional responsibilites and its contempt for the consent of the governed.

One problem is a lot of Cold War weapons haven’t been updated. B-1B reached FOC in 1985 or so. B-2 never reached the predicted 100 aircraft buy due to costs. ACM is retired, SRAM was never upgraded and now out of the system. We still have ALCM for a standoff weapon, but somebody comes up with countermeasures, we’re cooked. Fighter follow ons don’t work as advertised and are suffering from bloat in costs and delayed IOC. And that’s just the AF. KC-135 needs a follow on. That was last built in the 1960s, U-2 is a 1950s design that has had add ons, but no real upgrade. No follow on to the SR-71 after we learned what worked well and what needed to be fixed.

There are way too many contractors in DOD. No reason jobs can’t be done by military or civil service. Much cheaper and less management. In fact, DOD never has had a handle on how many contractors it has. Its also impossible to be audited.

not true, saw a lot of organizations go by the wayside in the AF. SR-71 was cut under that, and Storming Norman wanted them back for Desert Storm, satellites will never replace what it was able to do. That’s basic rocket science, something GOP never understood.

Big problem in the AF was it was a lot of re arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. We had to get letter head published at the local print shop (this is a Federal law, don’t even try changing it), then soon as it was done, some 3 star decided we needed another reorganization.

Add in the mergers of the defense contractors, we really lost a log of manufacturing and R&D capability.

The ‘Peace Dividend’ was a joke, only Wall Street made money on it, and DOD was pretty much skrewed. But what else is new. We’ll see the same crap after this war ends.

Thing is they work and are on the ramp, as opposed to the F-22 and F-35.

Romney and the GOP will screw the military. The military has never done well under the GOP. They cut VA benefits, do sweetheart deals with contractors and pretty much ignore the troops. At least we have a president now who does care about the troops. DoD is too bloated, management either general level and civili service needs to be cut. Same with a lot of stuff that has been contracted out, its not improved giving it to a contractor who hires untrained high school graduates and calls them engineer.

Who in their right mind wants to get involved with Iran?

And got a ton of government subsidies too.

There are certain things that are just basic needs. Armor. Carriers. Bomb wings, fighter wings. nuclear submarines. A lot of the manpower you can play musical chairs with. but the big ticket stuff is something that is planned for decades. You can’t build any of the basics overnight as you used to do in WWII. You don’t have enough carriers and you need them for power projection or keeping a sea lane open, you’re going to be screwed. There are certain things ONLY the US can do from amphibious landings to moving massive amounts of supplies on an air bridge. These need to be capabilities we need to have.

Remember nobody thought we’d need M-1s in DS/DS. And I’m sure the tank drivers really were glad our stuff smoked their stuff.

I think the numbers are 60 — 80% are salaries in DoD. Nuclear capabilities in the Cold War were about 15% or less of the budget. Though they probably were 90% of the press at the time.

I remember when there were legion of nuclear weapons types. We’re down to less than a dozen as far as warheads. A lot of those were be obsolete. We could keep enough to really ruin anybody’s day cheaply.

F-22 was the last fighter, you can argue about C-17. At the time, it was pretty much the lights are going out in aerospace in California, don’t let the door hit you in the ass. Army was fighting to keep the only production line on the M1-A1 open. Coasties and Army added some weapons, but when you’re talking budget they’re a drop in the bucket. Though Coasties spent $25 billion to upgrade their fleet and only got 2 boats done. Damn, that’s something the AF would do as far as cost overruns and bloat.……

Missile defense never worked. Biggest waste ever. Airborne LASER was chucked earlier this year, was estimated a billion per airframe. Too much for even the AF and they wanted 15 of them. The only good thing that came out of it is elecrtric rail gun that the USN is thinking of using. Get rid of powder much safer. Plus you have enough space in a ship to build in the necessary power plant. Army was kicking that around 30 years ago, not easy to move a building with the Army.….

Swords and horses. Don’t ask what Halliburton will charge per bale.…

I’d argue management. Either too many useless civilians at GS-13 and up. Ditto with say two stars and up. And don’t mention the contractors. I saw too much its not real money when projects were run. Rarely do you have a CO go and do something on the cheap. Look up the government standards, too f@#$ing expensive? Find a local dealer who will love the DOD we’ll pay you later, at least he knows Uncle Sam is good for it. Plus he knows there is a lot of follow on. Procurement is a real joke in the military . Always has been back to crap shoes in Valley forge.

house has to come up with spending and taxes, its been totally inept. Last Congress this bad was as far back as 1948, and Truman won re-election due to them. Probably will have a repeat. Would be nice to get Democrats or moderate Republicans who want to actually govern. We dont, DoD may be facing mandatory cuts. Not that it won’t hurt. Jeez, can you see all the Navy O-6s and up actually having to cut their own grass and pour their own coffee?????

“460 bases overseas” “560 foreign bases” “662 bases abroad”

You just listed 3 different numbers for the same thing.

You’re complaining that we have hundreds of bases, praise the fact that we can strike anyone, anywhere, but are unable to connect that one is needed to make the other happen. By the way, some of those hundreds of bases are include a handful of warehouses in Germany manned by a dozen soldiers, a remote radar station manned by 10 airmen, and countless embassies where we have Marines.

“507 permanent bases.” What makes a base permanent? We close what you’d think are permanent bases every few years when we see the need.

I THINK YOU GOT IT RIGHT. BUT I THINK THE PULLOUT FROM IRAQ WAS SETTLED IN THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION. ALSO IRAQ THREW US OUT, IT WAS HIS DECISION TO MAKE. NOTHING LIKE MAKING IT UP AS HE GOES ALONG

I heard Romney DID intend to undo the downsizing. Hell, I voted for Obama in 2008 and because of this I might just make a party switch and convert to the republican side. What’s Obama promising this time that I care about, let alone have any reason to believe anymore? Absolutely nothing!

It sucks that democracy is about making someone look worse for the job than making someone look better, and unfortunately not allot’ve people back the idea of discontinuing the downsizing unless we have another petty war to make the politicians in charge rethink the use of the military institution. Any takers? …Iran? …North Korea? Hey Syria, how about you use those chem weapons so we can step in already? …I thought not. >_>

Obama must be far removed from command of our military. See ‘The Return of Obama’s Body Man’. This is disgusting, but it explains BO’s behavior.

that is a good point. there should be a lot more discussion on why the media reported “US” casualties during Bush’s terms and they report US casualties as “NATO” casualties during Obama’s term.

All of the cold war era weapons is outdated. If some of you guys had your way, we’d still be fighting with sling shots, and bows and arrows. We just had a successful landing(rover taking pictures) on Mars for Pete’s sake, it’s time for some new technology.

go see the movie 2016 and you will find out about his upbringing,his politcal agenda and how he plans on ruining our great COUNTRY!!

Just let it go SecretSquid, he just slapped down your reasoning. And you now what?.….he’s right.

“The comparison isn’t all that valid”? Why? because the size of the military and the involvement of the home front? C’mon!

Heck at least in Afghanistan and Iraq we fought AQ and radical islamists, the SAME enemy. How many Nazis did we fight in the Pacific? How many Japanese Imperiak troops did we fight in Europe?

The whole “Two War” shtick is BS.

2016. Great movie without the emotion or birther BS. Scholarly done. I walked away understanding Obama isn’t so much a socialist as an anti colonialist and why. Highly recommended.

What? No such thing as moderate Democrats? Yeah, you’re balanced…

A big army is never needed when your country is “low” man on the totem pole.…As this resident in Our White House is advocating today and in the future. Not only are his goals to down size Our Military, BUT ALSO TO DOWN SIZE OUR COUNTRY’S influence world-wide.….similar to that of Costa Rico???? As long as we become subservient to most all Muslim Countries????

During the Cold War the standard was two major wars: for example, Vietnam, without compromising the defense of Europe.

Eventually the standard eroded to one major war, and one smaller one.

I’m not sure Iraq and Afghanistan count as two entirely separate wars from a logistical standpoint. Sure, one uses Manas and Pakistan as hubs and the other uses Incirlik and Kuwait, but…

Yeah, we have servicepeople stationed in every embassy around the world, Marine guards plus the Army, Navy and Air Force attaches. Thats several hundred of the “overseas bases” right there.

Secondly, don’t let your hyperbole get the best of you there, the US does not spend more that the rest of the world combined, its usually described as the next so many countries but it is comparing apples to snowtires. Many countries use conscripts and pay them poorly compared to our volunteer force that we have to actually pay. Nearly every other country funds the medical care for their forces out of their medical care account while the US funds it out of the Defense Budget. Both cases have the care funded by the government but only the US counts it as part of defense. Same thing with higher education/tuition rebates, etc.

I thought you guys said the World would come to an end if this President won the election. Then you said it would end at the end of 2012, we are still waiting for that one, you might right there, we’ll find out in December. Now you say the COUNTRY will end in 2016. You know.…you had to figure that at some point people were gonna realize that you guys are full of hot air, especially sense none of your prediction are coming true. You sound like that preacher that predicted the World end in October 2011, he had people running around holding up signs to that effect.…..mabe he meant October 3011. H-ll, if you keep saying it long enough, sooner or later it will happen.

Read Romney’s speech to the American Legion– he doesn’t really say anthing.

He seems to look at the military as a budget item, not real people making a real difference in national security.

Help me has he given any clue about where he wants to invest in the military?

His cadre of neocon advisers make me very worried about more costly ultimately counter productive adventures like Iraq. It used to be pretty stable in that part of the mideast with IRAQ and Iran locked in mutual distrust. Now Iraq seems to be becomming an Iranian surrogate

No, you’re missing my point. Those that use the “two war” talking point are trying to make a partisan point.

We’ve never characterized wars as separate because they were logistically supplied differently. I go back to my point that WWII was fought against two different enemies on two different continents and was still considered ONE war. The effort to separate Afghanistan and Iraq as two separate wars is a partisan cheap trick and so I point it out.

It’s the same tactic as those that include future health care costs in determining the cost of the war yet that has NEVER been the formula for past wars or calling the absence of war as “savings” like borrowing less is savings! This BS started way back with the “jobs created and SAVED” arithmetic. All of it is BS as they turn people’s minds into mush.

“Netcentric Warfare” is hardly the buzzword of today. It was the buzzword of 2000 to 2004 or so and part of “The revolution in Military Affairs” and “transformation” which were big deals under Rumsfeld. We’ve gone pretty far beyond that now.

Yeah really. I wonder why Bill Clinton and Al Gore have never been called to account for hireing Halliburotn on the Sole Source Contract back in the 90’s…

good point Sir. I am more scared of a Pres Romney leading us into war that could spiral out of control than Obama, as much as I despise Obama…

23 million Americans un– or under-employed; a massive new tax-raising, unfunded entitlement (despite two existing entitlements that are headed for insolvency); $5 or $6 trillion in new debt (at that level, what difference does a trillion either way really make?); 3 years of trillion-dollar-plus deficits; diplomatic weakness that has emboldened our adversaries and dismayed or allies.…I’m not saying the WORLD will come to end, I’m saying that America IS, or damn near it.

“the US does not spend more that the rest of the world combined”

Our quality of life also plays a part in this. We have a pretty big military, and we pay them a pretty good salary to live on. Almost 20% of the DoD’s budget goes towards just personnel.

You do know that Obama got us involved in the Libya war. No ground troops but US aircraft and ships were definietly involved. And now, he and his advisors are toying with getting us caught up in Syria. Please show us where Romney or Ryan have advocated getting the US into another war like Obama keeps trying to.

The reason for OBAMA’s potential $500 billion cut to defense spending over the next decade is because he and his administration screwed up the economy so bad that he just can’t turn to any other place for money and nobody will have any money or jobs if he continues to stay in office.

Yes, that have been cuts after every war, and yes, they are ususally drastic. This is why we go to war UNPREPARED EVERY GD TIME!!!! Spanish American War, WWI, WWII, Korea (ever hear of TF Smith?!?), the debacles called Vietnam and Iraq. What happens when we go to war unprepared? The fighting man (who EVERYONE says they loves these days) takes it in the SHORTS. All of you armchair military historians need to do a bit more research.

Ah, history. Everyone only remembers what they want to, that’s what I’ve learned studying it.

SecretSquid.…..Dirty Harry Reid will not let a budget got to committee much less got to the Senate!

He’s not going to let anything come out of the Senate that will let the Repubs. take credit.

With no budget coming out of the Senate that lets Obama have free range to spend any amount he wants to on anything. That’s why he has borrowed so much from the Chinese.

dog — 2016 applies to what a 2016 America would look like if Obama was re-elected. It’s not that complicated.

BTW, I challenge to find a quote where anyone here said the world would end in 2012. Must be an Obamatron, you’re making stuff up.

That is the problem with democrats. Any reduction in spending anywhere in the budget is used to buy more votes and more big welfare programs, not to decrease the deficit or pay down any debt. As long as any democrat is alive, they will spend your money on BS, it is in their DNA.

why, yes, I was aware of that. I did’t say that I’m not scared of Obama getting us entangled in more wars that are strategic mistakes, I said I was more scared of a Pres Romney. Romney advocates for a more aggressive role for the US in world affairs, and has made more aggressive statements than Obama on Syria & Iran. Ergo, you could expect more aggressiveness on foreign policy from Romney, and its associated risks: http://​news​.yahoo​.com/​r​o​m​n​e​y​-​v​o​i​c​e​s​-​a​g​g​r​e​s​s​i​v​e​-sthttp://​thecaucus​.blogs​.nytimes​.com/​2​0​1​1​/​0​8​/​1​8​/​per

It’s more than getting our troops out of the middle east and bringing them home. What our president and his administration has accomplished is to destabilize the Middle East and in many ways we turned our backs on our allies. We are now in the process of downsizing our military. We are becoming that of a dinosaur extinct. Our economy is weak, we have a deficit of 16 trillion dollars, our military is being dismantle not by our enemy but by our government who on the verge of destroying our economy due to wasteful spending and greed, now we are in the mist of downsizing our military might in the attempt to balancing the mistakes made in the economy on the back of our military. One could say that our politician have thrown American people under the bus when it comes to the economy and our military might. While China continues to grow in navel, ground and air, one might also say they manufacture just about everything that is sold and this doesn’t bring any concern to our elected officials and our elite media

What kinda meds you on? Carter and Clinton were the worst thing to happen to the military and bennefits sucked under them. (1979 to 2004 active duty) Dems hate the military and always have. And now we have a president who is making it illegal for a book that tells the truth and that he had no control or involvement of the mission to be sold on bases??????

Can someone please tell me why the republicans wants to spend 5 trillion dollars on defense again. Just how damn big the military needs to be. Lastly, how the hell are we going to pay for it.

Wait… We haven’t used M-16s in the last few wars? Wow that is news to me

Who in their right mind wanted to get involved with Hitler? Or Tojo? Sometimes war comes looking for you.

Funny…Aegis BMD seems to be working quite well. So is THAAD. And I suspect we’ll see ABL back again.

In 2009, a chest-thumping Barack Obama told Republicans to get in the back seat, that the Democrats would drive. Since 2010, when voters repudiated Obama and the Democrats in the mid-term election and sent a Republican majority to the House, the Democrats took home their marbles and they’ve been pouting in the corner ever since. Obama’s entire first two years in office consisted of ramming through an unpopular agenda (remember the Lousiana Purchase, the Cornhusker Kickback, “we have to pass the bill to find out what’s in it” ?) with utter disregard for the consent of the governed.

House Republicans have passed two consecutive responsible budgets. The Senate has refused to even vote on them. The President’s budget was defeated 97–0 by his own party in the Senate.

The Democrats have not even made an effort to try to find common ground with Republicans. Ultimately, responsibility for this lies with the President, who is uniquely equipped by the Constitutionand tradition to forge consensus between the two Houses of Congress and the two parties. This President has failed to lead.

thanks, truly words of wisdom..

Does this seem like more of teh Carter Administration? First Carter cancelled teh B-1, then he let Iran capture our Embassy and our Embassy staff. Iran kept them for over a year until Presidental candidate Regan said first day in office he would attack Iram if they still held captives. Guess what, first day Iran released all hostages. They were afraid of Regan, but not Carter/Obama…Like two Peas in a pod.

Here is a good example of what President Obama and his administration knows about the military. At the DNC Veterans Tribute the big screen behind the speaker proudly displayed an impressive column of warships. oops — say what? That’s the wrong navy, dude. http://​www​.navytimes​.com/​m​o​b​i​l​e​/​n​e​w​s​/​2​0​1​2​/​0​9​/​n​avy

Of course, Obama will tell you what he wants you to hear! That’s how a salesperson works when they want something. Look at the 2008 campaign where he made all of those Hope & Change statements. He relies on deception, falacy, smoke and mirrors. I would trust anyone else. I have seen the best and recognize a snow job.

Bravo! You are absolutely right!

That’s pretty funny John considering he inherited the keys to a broke down chevy with the engine knocking with 3 flat tires and a dragging tail pipe of a government tasked to drive from California to New York in one day.….. The U.S. economy was broke prior to him taking office due to the fact that the prior Presidents were writing checks that the bank couldn’t cover. I say he’s trying his best to turn water into wine…

Hope and Change — except he has left America little hope and the change is for the worse. National Debt — the worst ever, borrowing from foreign countries so we are obliged to them, cutting our military so we are vulnerable, alienating our allies (won’t set foot in Israel), increase welfare programs and tax to death those of us who worked our entire lives and have actually achieved something. So, if he gets into office again, what will our country be like within the next four years? I fear the absolutely abysmal predictions. Why not elect someone who actually knows how to make money and take us out of debt? Will Americans smarten-up or will the media continue to lead the lemmings?

What is your proof that it’s the president who is making it illegal for a book that telles the truth. You must not have had a top secret security clearance before. If you did you wouldn’t have made such a stupid comment.

In your thirty years of service did you have to write commendations for soldiers? If you did I feel for them because your writing has a lot to be desired as does your opinions.

“Looing forward to the return of the grownups.“
Please. They way that you spell a child must’ve written this.

Give it up. Give it up. The way that you write I understand your train of thought. In fact I would remain secret.

The Food Stamp office used to be located in the VA medical center (CO Springs). I saw soldiers applying for food stamps.

Be for real.

How long ago was this? Adjusted for inflation, military compensation (pay, housing, medical, bonuses, and pensions rose 87% between 2000 and 2009. Regardless, I’m comparing our soldier’s quality of life to those of soldiers from just about any other army in the world since we keep comparing our spending to “the rest of the world combined.” That soldier even if he was on food stamps had a decent vehicle, an apartment with heating, air, clean water, and good health care for him and his family. His counterparts in many of our rival and even allied armies can’t say the same.

“My opponent and his running mate are new to foreign policy, but from all that we’ve seen and heard, they want to take us back to an era of blustering and blundering that cost America so dearly,” Obama said Thursday

Blustering and blundering? Isn’t that what he is doing right now with Egypt, Libya, Yemen, and Syria? How do four American DIPLOMATS die while trying to appease a mob? Perhaps because our president is blundering his way through foreign policy in the Middle East when action is needed.
I’d rather have a president who will do something strong then address a polical rally on rhetoric. Romney/Ryan 2012!

ROMNEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO AT LEAST HALF OF WHAT HE SAID AND HE KNOWS IT, IT IS ALL POLITICAL.. LET ME QUOTE FROM THE MOVIE “THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER”, ACTUALLY THIS IS MORE OF A PARA-PHRASE, A POLITICIAN IS SOMEONE WHILE HE IS KISSING THE BABIES HE IS ALSO STEALING THEIR LOLI-POP. SO ALL OF THE WORDS FROM POLITICANS ARE BULL-CRAP, AND I KNOW THIS BECAUSE I HAVE WORKED FOR BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC CONTENDERS.
SO DON’T YOU GET IT, WE HAVE BEEN DOWN THIS ROAD SEVERAL TIMES .ELECT WORKING MEN & WOMEN FOR ONE TERM AND ONLY ONE TERM. AND DO NOT ELECT LAWYERS, AND THEN OUR NATION WILL BE A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY.

LEW FOR YOU, AND NO I AM NOT RUNNING FOR ANYTHING, I JUST LOVE MY COUNTRY!!

the best concise characterization of what smart foreign policy I’ve ever heard is we should “speak softly and carry a big stick”. Sun Tzu also gives us very wise counsel.

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