White House delivers sequestration details

White House delivers sequestration details

The White House released its 396-page report Thursday that includes details on the $54.7 billion cut the Defense Department will sustain in 2013 should Congress not agree on a deficit reduction plan to avoid sequestration by Jan. 2.

The report detailed the 9.4 percent cuts attached to Defense Department discretionary spending in 2013. This makes up the majority of Pentagon funds to include operations and maintenance, research, and procurement budgets. Another 10 percent will be cut from all mandatory defense programs — the few accounts not subject to congressional appropriations.

The sequester could will affect how many weapons, bullets and missiles troops carry into combat. The cuts will also dictate how many new houses are built on bases and how much is invested in new commissaries.


As promised by President Obama, funding for military personnel accounts to include pay will not be subject to sequester cuts. Department of Veterans Affairs funding has also received an exemption.

Congress and the White House must come to an agreement to make a $1.2 trillion cut to the federal deficit by Jan. 2 to avoid the sequester cuts dictated by law and agreed upon by the Republicans and Democrats. Otherwise, Congress must pass a bill providing an exception to the military. Democrats have stood staunchly against such a move warning it would come at the cost of other domestic programs.

The $54.7 billion cut is only part of the $500 billion cut to the Defense Department dictated by sequestration legislation and spread over the next decade. Military leaders “would be able to shift funds to ensure war fighting and critical military readiness capabilities were not degraded,” the report stated.

However, such shifts in funding will come at the cost of non-deployed units as well as other programs to include base services to military families, the report specified. Sequestration cuts will tear into military procurement and modernization funds as the services try to maintain readiness levels for units training for combat.

The Defense Department stands to lose $3.8 billion from its operations and maintenance account out of the $41.2 billion set aside for it in 2013.

The Navy’s shipbuilding account will decrease by $2.1 billion. The Marine Corp’ entire procurement account will be cut by $366 million.

The Air Force’s aircraft procurement budget will get slashed by $2 billion while Air Force leaders also stand to lose $668 million from their missile procurement account.

The Army will buy $229 million less in ammunition as its spends $276 million less on tracked combat vehicles.

On base housing construction will shrink by $54 million in 2013 while operations and maintenance for on base housing will be slashed by another $121 million.

“No amount of planning can mitigate the effect of these cuts,” officials from the White House Office of Management and Budget wrote in the report. “Sequestration is a blunt and indiscriminate instrument. It is not the responsible way for our nation to achieve deficit reduction.”

The lengthy document the White House delivered one week late from the deadline specified by Congress simply subtracts the funding the Defense Department and other federal agencies are scheduled to receive from the percentages the sequestration legislation dictates will be lost.

Republicans ripped the report saying it does not provide Congress the details they are seeking. House Armed Service Committee Chairman Howard P. “Buck” McKeon, R-Calif., questioned why the White House needed an extra week to submit the report.

“I can’t understand why they needed an extra week to produce such an inadequate report,” he said in a statement.

White House officials told reporters on a conference call the Office of Management and Budget waited to issue the detailed report because leaders felt energy would be better spent working toward an agreement to avoid the execution of the sequestration cuts.

The White House did hedge in the report saying the estimates found in it are not final.

“If the sequestration were to occur, the actual results would differ based on changes in law and ongoing legal, budgetary, and technical analysis,” the report states. “However, the report leaves no question that the sequestration would be deeply destructive to national security, domestic investments, and core government functions.”

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Logic would indicate that DOD kill programs that bring nothing to the fight: LCS, F-35, DDX, $15B carriers and so-on. Still waiting to see dramatic cuts in flag-ranks and SES.

Agree, All you have to Kill LCS & F-35, and then you can keep most everything else, with “Some of DOD Accounting Magic” :-)

Hmm. A Friday news dump. Go figure.

“The lengthy document the White House delivered one week late from the deadline specified by Congress simply subtracts the funding the Defense Department and other federal agencies are scheduled to receive from the percentages the sequestration legislation dictates will be lost.”

I could have done that in a one page document that would have taken 5 minutes to generate.

Let sequestration roll on!
Force Congress to actually do something useful!

Its not just one parties fault its both face it Republicans let the military over spend Dems cut oo much its lose lose. Overall the Marines and Army will get hit less. Loss of IC JLTV and GCV are not a loss since Bradley and Humvee can do the job fine. The Navy and USAF will hurt the most with F-35 delayed and F-15 and F-18 upgrades prolonged and ships on longer building schedule. But its going to happen better make do.

I can not help but wonder if there are not other programs in the civilian sector that do not stand as a barrier against all the evil that people are throwing against our country that could be a better cut??

A sequestration report is really not required. Cutting 10% from each program can be compared against the official budget already sent to Congress each year. For procurement programs, total quantities are listed. So a cut 2 or 10 aircraft can be compared to total inventory to judge impact. Oh, that’s right! Congress is too lazy to do its job! Why do we pay these people? And their overpaif staffs?

Meant “overpaid” not “overpaif”. Apologies.

The real truth is that Obama wants his tax increases and the threat to rape the defense budget is just another leftist way to blackmail the other side of the ailse and conservative leaning Demos into giving the “RULER” what he wants. If he doesn’t get his way by 6 Nov look for another Exec order to push this decree. For that matter look for an Exec order to declare martial law if he drops to low in the polls. He made me want to puke with his hypocritcal speech at Andrews to day, knowing full well he did not write the speech and only read it from his ever present telepromter. all the while probably thinking how stupid the public, including his worshipping subjects, was to think he meant even one word of it

We have individuals that is coming up with cuts that don;t have a clue to what they are doing. I served 34 years military and 20 years as a DOD civilian and I can tell you that you could cut the DOD 25% and not effect readiness. There are billions of dollars that are wasted by this department.

Well put. Awesome analogy.

“The Marine Corp’ entire procurement account will be cut by $366 million.”

Oh dear. That’s slightly more than two V-22 Ospreys with spares. Whatever will the devildogs do?

“his hypocritcal speech at Andrews to day”

Are you refering to the speech he gave on Friday at Andrews for the return of our dead from Libya?

Four Americans gave their lives for our country and all you can think to do is spew hate and anti-American drivel?

Maybe the problem is you.

Please tell me where this waste is so that when I run for Congress I can eliminate all of it with the power of my mighty ballpoint pen.

I am wondering…some where in that report if there is a part that will effect the VA?! Ya know about the promises made…and promises broken!!

You sure did not read the article with any comprehension, to-wit: “As promised by President Obama, funding for military personnel accounts to include pay will not be subject to sequester cuts. Department of Veterans Affairs funding has also received an exemption.”

You are exactly right! Two Ospreys. Even with the budget cuts last session and the impact of sequestration, the non-war portion of the defense budget will still be more more then the average during the entire cold war (adjusted for 2012 dollars). As you recall, we faced down the Soviet horde with 50,000+ tanks and millions of soldiers during that time. Nowadays we face a Chinese threat that is an order of magnitude smaller and some guys in huts and caves. I think we’ll still have adequate national defense after sequestration, and economically we will all be much better off.

USAF — cut the E-8 JSTARS & B-52
USN — cut the LCS & mothball two carriers
USMC — loses the F-35B
USA — cuts 75,000+ troops, relies on reserves for augmentation

I think this is a bad idea but if we have to drive over the cliff with Congress at the wheel this will minimize the cost

Off your medication? The truth is that we need to cut all federal spending, defense and non-defense, and raise taxes so that our average revenue matches our average expenditures. Our Republic is on a path to economic oblivion otherwise. We all have to do this with our personal budgets, so why don’t we think we should do the same collectively? The answer to my own question is that Americans want more services than they are willing to pay for, and our “leaders” are happy to oblige to get re-elected. True leadership is required to get us out of this mess.

Hum… last, I checked, at $65 million each for the Marine version (MV), I’m not sure how you came up with “slightly more” than two V-22 Ospreys. Even if it was the CV version, which was around $73 million each, it would be a lot more than two Ospreys out of the procurement budget.

Congress isn’t mandated to provide for the common social benefits… They are required to provide for the common defense. Proportionately, the DOD is being hit WAY too hard in all of this debt reduction circus.

Well first of all any cuts that would affect how many weapons,bullets and missiles our troops carry or anything that is needed in combat shouldn’t even be thought of and those who think so need to be sent to the front lines with a sling shot and I could give a rats butt if it’s Obama or whoever. The way this world is today OH HELL NO don’t mess with cutting any of our weapons that is currently used. Use what money that would be spent on new ships or aircraft for keeping our troops supplied with what they need first. I see no need of new housing or commissaries,except in remote locations,because there are plenty of vacant homes that could be rented through the realtors and it’s cheaper to go to some local stores for food and clothes.

I agree that there is a lot of waste that could be curtailed both in the Defense Department as well as Washington. Given at what is going on in countries where the people voted in those who have ties to the Muslin Brotherhood and don’t want us there then we need to take a strong look at pulling out all our troops and stop giving them any money. We need to close the borders and tighten up our immigration policies. First and foremost we need to stand up as a nation,quit the damn pussy footing around and stop kissing our enemies butts and for God sake stop apologizing for the way we live. I am just sick of the way this country is being ran and the way our military is the first to be gutted because this and every other administration don’t know how to handle money.

[Amended reply] You are exactly right! 5.6 Ospreys. How will the USMC survive with 5.6 less Ospreys! Even with the budget cuts last session and the impact of sequestration, the non-war portion of the defense budget will still be more more then the average during the entire cold war (adjusted for 2012 dollars). As you recall, we faced down the Soviet horde with 50,000+ tanks and millions of soldiers during that time. Nowadays we face a Chinese threat that is an order of magnitude smaller and some guys in huts and caves. I think we’ll still have adequate national defense after sequestration, and economically we will all be much better off.

Yeah. How about the National Endowments for the Arts and Humanities? How about Amtrack or the Postal Service (both money-losing propositions)? How about making the Prez fly around in a G5 instead of a 747? Don’t get me started…

I have a better approach; dismantle Wash. DC; send the politicians and their staffs back to their home states, dismantle all federal programs and divide them and their employees back into the states where they reside and dismantle all federal retirement programs by sending them and their reserved funds back to their home states for all existing federal retirees. Turn DC into the only national park (with no overnite camping) and museums. The state legislatures led by the US senators and representatives can quickly arrange a state budget for the US military. Problem solved ‚50% reduction by no longer having federal waste and no more silly US politics jeopardizing our culture, society, international trade and national safety.

When any major command, like AMC or FORSCOM, makes a move because of BRAC, they lose 35–65% of their civilians, yet they continue to function. I suspect that the same would be true outside of DoD. There is so much bloat in the federal government that anywhere is a better place to cut than weapons systems and troops.

“I agree with you about LCS yet it’s foolish to cancel something without a proper plan.”

It’s also foolish to keep spending on plans when they keep doubling in cost and doubling in IOC.

Well in fairness to the postal service their bottom line would look a lot better if friggin congress didn’t make them budget retiree healthcare 75 years out.

Yah, here I agree there isn’t a lot of money to be saved by just canceling a few programs. While I have zero love for the F35 and LCS in and of themselves, there is still a need for something regardless of what to replace existing aging systems. We could buy advanced legacy aircraft and save some, but it would still probably cost half or better what is budgeted for the F35 to do so.

The LCS would be an even swap. That program itself is a complete goat F**k but a decent multi mission frigate would essentially cost the same thing.

EADS just demonstrated a radar called passive radar at a Berlin techinical fair which will be able to detect stealth aircraft with precison (see spiegel​.de). It will make stealth aircraft and stealth cruise misslies obsolete and will go into production in 2015, first being acquired by the German Armed Forces. Forget the
B-2, F-22, Jassm-ER, PAK T-50, J-20, F-22, , it would be wise for us to cancel the f-35 altogether and focus development on hypersonic missiles and jets. Maybe there is a role for re-developping the old Canadian Avro after all

Marine Corps can’t afford to loose the F35s because as it stand the F35 is suppose to replace three platforms currently used by the Corps. F-18s, EA-6Bs, and AV-8s. I would rather see the Corps buy some F-18 E,F, & Gs. I think it would be cheaper in the longrun because you already have the talent in stock (current serving techs, mechs, etc.) so all you need is the equipment. They won’t have to buy equipment then teach people and not to mention the growing pains/cost of fielding a new platform. Bases and carriers are already set up for the F-18 so you save money there. Tech support for the F18 its self has been around for decades so you have people with the experience on the vendor side.

The sequester could will affect how many weapons, bullets and missiles troops carry into combat. The cuts will also dictate how many new houses are built on bases and how much is invested in new commissaries.

You have got to be out of your mind.
Also you can buy your groceries cheaper at Wal-Mart. The only thing they should have on base is mini-mart’s. The prices in the exchange and gas stations are higher than they are on the out-side.

Met a chinese busnessman in shanghai the other day and he suggested that America keep on spending lavishly on an incompetent military with borrowed chinese money. I told him that would make him an American patriot, he just laughed.

I’m sure Obama is going to make sure that the layoff notices go out to all the the employees that will get the axe on January 1st (lol). By law that must be done 60 days ahead of time. Of course he will go around that law, as he has with so many other laws. After all the notices have to be in those affect JUST BEFORE THE ELECTION!

Wait a second did someone use the word “logic” or common sense” here. Man you out of touch… I foresee many new General posts and force cuts in the extreme.

Cut the billions going to foreign aid to countries that hate us, that’s a couple hundred billion saved there, cut some of civilian employees at the pentagon and replace with military that will save millions and pay our elected officials only when in session, some more millions.

I described a $366M cut to USMC procurement as being “slightly more than two V-22 Ospreys with spares”.

That engendered this response: “Hum… last, I checked, at $65 million each for the Marine version (MV), I’m not sure how you came up with ‘slightly more’ than two V-22 Ospreys.”

Because I’m quoting program unit cost.

This illustrates why the service chiefs are increasingly (and accurately) perceived as arrogant and dishonest on the topic of weapons system costs. They deliberately exclude key information to make acquisition costs look smaller.

Let me give you an example.

Suppose I set out to have a new house built for me. I spend $50K on the architectural design, layout, systems engineering, and permitting. I spend $300K building the house.

Did my house cost $300K? No. It cost $350K in total, including the design and engineering. That is, if you will, the program unit cost, for a program that delivered one unit.

In military aerospace, the equivalent of the architectural and systems design and permitting described above is RDT&E. Research, design, testing and evaluation.

Make no mistake: when the government pays for a weapons system, it not only pays to build the individual units of that system, it also pays for RDT&E as part of the final price tag. You have to count that stuff.

And RDT&E comprises a hugely larger percentage of advanced aerospace weapons systems cost than the percentage of the cost in my house building example. You must include it to get program unit cost.

As of four years ago, the Government Accountability Office quoted the program unit cost of the Osprey as a staggering $121.2M per airframe.

And that’s before the additional cost of GFE, government-furnished equipment, that has to be paid to put a deployable Osprey on the ramp and ready to fly missions.

The Osprey engines are GFE, for instance. Not included in the price of the basic airframe. The avionics? Also GFE. The belly pod defensive gun? GFE.

And that’s before we get into spares costs. The GAO found that for the V-22 in actual service in Iraq, 13 major spares units for the V-22 were lasting less than 30 percent of the time they were supposed to last. So more spares have to be bought. Further driving up total cost to acquire.

A frustrated American public wonder, “Why are we paying these huge amounts of money and receiving such paltry numbers of aircraft?” Numbers games such as those illustrated above are why.

And at some point the public frustration is going to boil over. I would prefer this not happen, because when that’s happened in the past, the resulting angry cuts by Congress have invariably hit bone and muscle in addition to fat.

Let’s restore honest cost accounting as a first step.

I only know the 1s have become crazy with Citizens all in Occident!! If there are cut in Defense, the 1s gone to stay without protections, isn’t? Well, my care is with all the White sheets given to inocents. I don’t care with Black sheets given!!!! Save the Pure is the Most Mission of USA credibility!!!! Thank you Gentleman.

Everyone thinks China is this Third world country and they live in huts and make all parts from a grinder and a file, you are WRONG. Yes they have a lower standard of living ‚but when it comes to their military (unlike the USA ) they put their military (as far as equipment ) first. They have all this Walmart money that they spend to make sure they buy new Kit. China also has the highest military population the world, they are a very deadly adversary, as well as being a potential ally to Russia against America. The Bear is not dear and the dragon is just getting fired up, it is not the time to crawl under a rock or roll over !

The Bear is not Dead and the Dragon is just getting Fired up, it is not the time to crawl under a rock or roll over !

You are out of your mind if you think that it’s cheaper out in town. Gas on base in the San Diego area is 3.99 and right next to that off base is 4.15. Also, food is way cheaper in the commissary than it is compared to Wal-Mart, Sam’s club, and/or Costco’s. How do I know? Because I use them all the time.

Lets just cut the whole military, because we are not about to go to war with half the world (did you notice my sarcasm).… With rising tensions in the middle east, China, Russia and North Korea investing and working together building up their militaries, and all we can do is cut the budget??? We are already in debt, I would rather feel safe for a few years with a strong military, than keep a debt we already have.

LCS is the ships that will fullfill our diplomatic requisits. Many treaties require US naval ships to visit and be in the vacinity of these allied nations. Cut LCS and opperational costs to the fleet will only increase. Sometimes shots don’t need to be fired and sometimes only the smallest stick needs to be carried.

Anyone have a link to the text of the actual report? I’ve searched the White House web site and found only short documents of 20 pages or less, not the full 396 page text.

Cutting skilled workers out of the work force and sending them into welfare and unemployment is about the only effective thing the Obama administration can come up with. Seeing that unemployment remains over 8% and applications for foodstamps have increased 46% in under his term explains it all.

“Many treaties require US naval ships to visit and be in the vacinity of these allied nations.” Time to renegotiate.

Sequestration is actually a result of Congress not doing it’s job, not a way for Congress to do it’s job.

yes this is the problem “the vast majority of the budget goes to operational costs, not procurement”. The politicians love to send in the troops without thinking about the costs, especially long term costs.

I think your way off base about the carriers. They provide far more capability and in a much shorter time than waiting for the Air Force to establish bases, infrastructure and logistics in the region. The carrier battle group contains all of that for a decent amount of time. I agree on the flag ranks big time. I would consolidate the Air Force back into the Army Air Force. Billions would be saved on uniforms and overhead, flag ranks, streamlined training pipelines and so on. AF SOC could go right into USASOC and their redundent SOF capabilities could be integrated into USASOC operations and the ones not needed, done away with. It would also allow the Army to have more of an “Air wing’ attached to organic units similar to the Marine Corps.

Being the largest beauracracy in the US Government, the military is ripe with waste and fraud, then redundancies. Im sure hundreds of millions could be saved there alone if they were serious about correcting it. In paper work alone, I am sure they could save a few million by cutting flag ranks who should have ranks at all and are dictating needless paperwork to justify their jobs. The Air Force should have never been started as its own branch and should go back into the Army. AFSOC has a very large budget with some very redundent capabilities. They can be integrated into USASOC and what doesnt belong, thrown out. Training pipelines for supply people, MP/SPs, Air Controllers, medics, and others can be integrated. Uniforms and stationary alone would save millions. All the bands and parade units can be cut in half. Flag ranks again cut in half. SERE schools integrated. So on. I love MARSOC but lets be honest. The Marines only started MARSOC to get more funding. Their capabilities are redundent to the other branches and are not much different than Recon or Force Recon. Either integrate the Recon units with their SOCOM reps or get rid of their MARSOC altogether and keep their beloved Recon guys. Flag officers and support staff would again be reduced here.

yeah — gut the military because we supposedly cant support them but yet for 2013 $800 mil to arab spring aid and 930 bil to hillary for increased security at embasy’s. Something just doesnt sound right about this and smells even worse.

Congress, OMB and the Administration should take a look at the all the “POSITIONS” created the past three years in the DOD in existing organizations that were added to overhead and staff functions. These positions are the “fat” in the organization taht were created to support the wars. Changing terminology from people to positions be eliminated will ease the chicken hawks cries of doomsday. keep the teeth and get rid of the tail like Mr Rumsfeld wanted years ago is the way to go today. Power point charts, hundreds of oversight and support positions need to be cut in order to save this republic.

Oh by the way — foreign military and economic aid as well as NATO and UN aid which also all come from the doD budget are not to be cut but will also be increasing for 2013 to cover inflation. So our own Military is taking an even deeper cut than what is being politicly claimed.

Sequestration is the result of Congress’ abrogation of its basic Constitutional responsibility to produce a budget that among other things provides for the common defense. It is one of the most profound failures of Constitutional governance of my lifetime, and blame rests squarely with the reckless intransigence of Democrats in the White House and the Senate.

The Senate has not passed a budget in over three years. The President’s budgets have been voted down by members of his own party in both houses. In 2009 and 2010, when Democrats controlled the White House and both houses of Congress, they did not produce budgets to restrain their voracious appetites for spending. After the voters gave Republicans control of the House in 2010, the Democrats refused to bow to the public mandate to put a brake on the Democrats’ spending spree by compromising with the new Republican majority in the House. In showdown after showdown, the Democrats have presented the country with the same hostage crisis: either submit to economy-strangling tax hikes or gut defense spending.

There’s no way our Constitutional Republican can function if one party insists on a national suicide pact.

Multistatic radar is nothing new, raptor. Both foreign and US systems have been deployed for years. It is proliferating, though. Not just that, but other stealth countermeasures, such as L-band and other spectral diversity approaches. It’s not the end of stealth (yet), just the next iteration on the natural cycles of warfare capability development and countermeasure response. Just requires adjustment by stealth attackers–either through tactical employment or through new counter-countermeasures development. We’re not even close to endgame in the war of stealth vs. sensor.

Torque…Osprey development costs are now sunk. No longer legitimately a factor in decisions about future procurement budgets.

Using your analogy, iIf you were going to build a second and third house using the same design, they wouldn’t cost you $350K each. In fact, you’d gain production efficiencies in serial production, so they’d probably come in under $300K each.

That is already being done somewhat, the majority of the temps and terms are gone or will be gone by Sept 30. Only unjust problem is as with any mgt issue, folks that were hired in upeer mgt positions even though as temps and terms have been descreetly converted to perms and many workforce personnel are being forced to retire early to keep from being converted to overhires in order to keep the new brass buddies.

So you’re in Shanghai? Stay there…

SS –You forgot to add, “Let’s restore honest cost accounting as a first step.”

The republicans in the House (and Senate) have flatly refused to negotiate for 2 years, and are refusing to negotiate in good faith on Sequestration after voting for the bill, yet they get no blame? I think all involved have a hand in this mess, and all involved deserve plenty of blame.

The Congress passed the Sequestration bill, knowing this would come to pass if they didn’t act. Also, the mandate to cut spending at all costs comes from the Right. The Tea Party came to the fore DEMANDING spending be cut and savaging all who stood in their way.

folks it is cutting time when the BCA the VA and retirement was already sparared from cuts this is in the CFR
or anything dealing with the CFR is protected unless you change the cFR in which would take 10 years to do
I hope there is another terrorist attack once sequestor takes place because the money is not coming back
and all the presiendents would act patorictic this is what happens when you pay 500 dollars for nuts and bolts it fanilaly caught up too you on the other hand the military don’t need exchanges and commiseries
it is just for convenince since my retirement from the navy I have not gone to niether to include all my trips to sandiego they can stuff the commisary

when mitt become president whatch out kiss everything goodbye

The Tea Party Isolationists are going to howl and demand withdrawal en masse, just before they start scaling down government. The neocons will go back to their caves, the false mission of shining a light on the world at the point of a gun quickly forgotten. Then foreign policy will be forgotten and ignored again, like it’s the 1990’s.

Except for China thumping. There’s always China.

Hmm, why not privatize the stuff if they haven’t already?

We already have privatized food services for the troops overseas, why not go the extra mile with it?

Let’s have Chaos Day in November.

If you aren’t truly in love with the incumbent, vote the other guy-no matter what party.

If you think your guy hasn’t done all he could do-vote the other guy.

It is clear that both parties profit enormously by this football team mentality that enslaves us to one party or another.

You can’t convert raw numbers into manpower overnight, as the Russians learned in WW2. They needed lend-lease to pump up their back-end to turn into the legendary Soviet steamroller.

“The republicans in the House (and Senate) have flatly refused to negotiate for 2 years…”

In reality, the GOP came to the negotiating table in good faith and then found that the Democrats were attempting to snooker them with last-minute shenanigans.

From the ABC News review of Woodward’s new book on the inner workings of the Obama White House, talking about the debt reduction deal:

“But at a critical juncture, with an agreement tantalizingly close, Obama pressed Boehner for additional taxes as part of a final deal — a miscalculation, in retrospect, given how far the House speaker felt he’d already gone.”

Ever gone in to buy a car and then found the sleazy car salesman trying to foist extras onto the previously agreed price? Just like that.

Rephrase that please. Protection of economic interest abroad is not defense of the people living in the US. It’s protection of economic assets for people who have means to purchase and control them abroad. Even the state department will tell you the US has vast economic interest abroad, however they don’t lie in the hands of the American people. That does not quite fall in line with national defense. Let’s quickly review what you have skipped in the Constitution: We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare.

It’s not adequate to say congress is only responsible for defense when the constitution also has in the same sentence insure domestic tranquility and promote the general welfare. Obviously, a lot of duress and suffering is far from tranquility and general welfare, though not needed to be extravagant, are covered.

I don’t think anyone here would disagree with the notion that some sort of lower tier wave the flag hull is needed. I just think that for half a billion $ we should be getting more than a speed boat with a 57mm gun.

You won’t have to kiss EVERYTHING goodbye, just some of your handouts.

blight — the tea party is not isolationist. TEA=Taxed Enough Already. Don’t buy into the liberal attempt to make all tea party members Ron Paul supporters. Only he has gone nuts over foreign policy. He talks for the Tea Party as much as Maxine Waters speaks for the Democrat party. Remember, “Guess what this liberal would be all about? This liberal would be about socializing … uh, umm. … Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies.” Hmmmmm, maybe she DOES speak for all Democrats…

Hmm, so I guess the TEA party isn’t also tied into a more originalist interpretation of government through the Constitution?

Or perhaps the T.E.A Party is not the same as the “Tea Party” we keep getting told about…where “Tea Party” is essentially a Ron Paul esque platform of smaller government, lower taxes and isolationism (as part of a small military); basically putting America back to where it was before the XYZ Affair and counter-piracy in the Med?

I guess we can keep Perrys around for that…

You are guessing wrong. They are already old and tired and have become a maintenance nightmare. They are becoming less and less seaworthy with cracks in the hulls/decks and other watertight integrity problems. Their missile systems have been deactivated and really cannot be easily returned to use.

Its time to let them go and the USN will do that in the near future.

Exactly on the Commissaries. I save 30%-50% on most items and the savings are not paid for by the DoD, they are just the profits that the commissary does not charge that the grocery stores do.

blight – You are confusing the Libertarian/Ron Paul mov’t with the tea party. If you look at the top three Tea Party organizations (TeaPartyPatriots, TeaParty​.org and TeaPartyExpress) you will see no mention of withdrawing from the world (but you will see support for a STRONG defense). This is not how the libs want you to see the Tea Party.

Many Libertarian and Ron Paul supporters gravitate towards the Tea Party but that doesn’t define the Tea Party platform. Don’t let liberals define what the Tea Party is for you. Heck, I’ve seen the writers on this blog make it sound like the Tea Party is for cutting defense which isn’t true though it is a Libertarian party platform position. “We support the maintenance of a sufficient military to defend the United States against aggression. The United States should both avoid entangling alliances and abandon its attempts to act as policeman for the world. We oppose any form of compulsory national service.” https://www.lp.org/files/LP%20Platform%202012.pdf

Do your own research.

If you listen to the Libs, the Republicans (I’m a conservative, not a Republican) are bigoted, rich, mean people exploiting the poor. Note, little discussion of the issues.

Hold the phone a minute…it says PROMOTE the general welfare not PROVIDE…in other words by staying out of the way, un regulating and let the private sector do what it does best! If we did away with the entitlements and all the fraud that goes with it, we could pay for the defense over and over and not have to sacrifice security.

We have an 8.1% unemployment rate today and so what is the unemployed rate going to be after all of these people added to the unemployment role. How much is it going to cost for delays and contract cancellations? Where is that figure. If we are not going to train the people on the home front how are we going to have qualifed military to protect the country.
I think that we need to go back to the draft and every two years replace them. By the way do not pay them and have no one stay more than four years. By the way we will use bow and arrows to fight so we won’t have to pay for much equipment. Maybe the President and congress would like that it cut the deficient and we can still fight over spending money on the miitary

The Perrys will probably stick around until more LCS enter the fleet, considering the political hot potato associated with having “a large navy”. Didn’t Reagan try this already during the Cold War?

With all of the talk about cuts ‚where is the talk about cutting commitments for the military? We simply cannot continue to increasingly stretch our people and equipment as we have been doing . Something will give, and if we don’t cut the commitments somewhere, it will be our forces that will cave.

It’s both parties fault , not just the dems.

Congress can’t / won’t doe their job of passing a budget maybe their pay should take a cut and their staff’s cut by 50%.

Get educated on the issues and what your congressional representives and senators are doing about them. Then, send a “loud and clear” message to all of them and your choice for President in November with your VOTE!!!

Stop foriegn aid to countries who don’t like us and we will have our surplus back. Problem solved.

DOD magic is why we are in this mess.

Interesting idea, but it would be an organizational nightmare as commissioned officers in the AF/ Army serve entirely different functions– at least in AV. IP/SP/MTP, Safety, TACOPS, Master Gunner, etc. are all positions served by Warrants. You have to remember that a Company CDR in the Army is a CPT or even 1LT, and has about 25 Flying Warrants and a couple LTs under him, not to mention the same number of Crew Chiefs, at least in a line unit. The Air Force (or even Navy/ USMC for that matter) would launch a sh*t storm if 95% of their pilots became Warrants. Responsibility-wise an Army 1LT typically has more than a CPT/ MAJ in the AF.. but once we get out of the line unit flight time lowers drastically, especially if you are FAC3 and are required only simulator hours. It’s an interesting idea, but if all Warrants became commissioned the cost would skyrocket.. because the Army has more flying warrants than all other services combined but the Navy.

He uses Exec orders because Congress want get off their lazy behind and do anything. What President that you know of that writes his own speech??? He maybe thinking how stupid you are not everyone with common sense.

I agree, it’s called the Next Generation Bomber.

Then we could afford more the of the fraud that goes on in the DoD.

Not quite. It takes quite a few pages just to list all of the budget categories, flag whether they are exempt from sequestration or not, and list the before-and-after dollar amounts for that category.

The important point here is that there is no discretion in how much to cut from each category; the percentages are in the original law. That’s part of what made it such an obviously insane thing to do that Congress would have to reach some sort of real compromise to avoid it (*cough*).

You still haven’t looked at the budget, have you BHD? Except for health care, all of the entitlement programs combined don’t add up to enough to pay for the current Defense budget. Whatever you may think of food stamps, welfare, school lunches, the “earned income tax credit”, etc., the sum total of all such programs is nearly invisible in the overall budget.

And throwing away Medicare and Medicaid without finding something affordable to replace them with will not, in any way, promote the general welfare.

Good idea, Johnny. That should recover us at least $27.34.

Now, for the other $1 trillion…

sound good to me let it happen!!!! VERA

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